Mini 1442: House of Cards - GAME OVER

[Majiffy]

>Jim Matthews

Fuck yeah, QTs!

[Majiffy]

Not yet, but I

will

.

[Majiffy]

My numbers were (4, 14)
Picked Lucas Goodwin, Jim Matthews, Peter Russo, in that order.

Little jelly someone else gets to silence people instead of me.

[Majiffy]

You realize that that's kind of a purposeless discussion, along the lines of role fishing? I mean, I understand that we've got a limited amount of roles, but it's still bad for the mafia to know who's who.

/confirm.

...Uh...

You know all the information is posted in the OP, right?

[Majiffy]

I guess AJ didn't read the opening completely....

Or his role PM.

Or the PM where he was supposed to submit his numbers and his role picks.




Basically, AJ has claimed in-thread that he has no intention of reading

anything

carefully.

[Majiffy]

Well I didn't pick any of those, so you can't blame me entirely for that!

[Majiffy]

Well shit

[Majiffy]

We should lynch FuDu for the lulz.

[Majiffy]

C'mon guys, I bet he's a

Mafia Survivor

. It's like a goon, but with a named role pm!

[Majiffy]

Linda Vasquez here. She was my 3rd choice after Underwood and Stamper. I don't really think what numbers I chose are relevant at this point.

I'm curious to hear from everyone how you would use my night and day skips.

Day skip ASAP, night skip the next day phase after that.

Mafia is forced to be very telling with their kills, and then we have two day phases (and subsequently, two lynches) in direct procession to work over the extra information and catch them.

[Majiffy]

Yeah survivor is kind of a weird role to align to a dualistic system.

[Majiffy]

Which is why we should promptly lynch FuDu.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Needed a good reason for mafia before she would agree. Scum found.

[Majiffy]

By the way, I'm still peeved you were so stubborn and declared EPM to be dumbtown.

Was I wrong?

No?

Alright then.

Flowchart.

[Majiffy]

I almost had you there, though. Let's be honest here.

... Nope

[Majiffy]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Needed a good reason for mafia before she would agree. Scum found.

Oh really, I was expecting which one from Mafia would pick my post as scummy Jiffy, but i never thought you would fall for it.
so what is next?

OMGUSing already?

Why is "everyone" getting UN styled avatars? Is this a special club or something?

General Discussion > Acolytes of UberNinja

Majiffy, my friend, I thought you don't just throw your vote around this early?

I just don't RVS.

[Majiffy]

Lol, hey Majiffy. Combined with me and my role, you can have 2 permanent flowchartians at all times. I can force people to sheep you

Can we force the scum to vote themselves? That would be

so sick

.

[Majiffy]

Guys I'm actually aligned cult. What does this even mean.

It means during night one you're supposed to cult me and I'm supposed to neighborize you and then we terrorize the mod by carrying out one conversation on two QTs.

[Majiffy]

No children. But other than that, ok! <3

[Majiffy]

Well I guess we'll just have to resort to one QT then, Jebus

[Majiffy]

To be fair, you should have asked for numbers no one else would have asked for.

Like 14.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: AA9

Since we have effectively rid of RVS prior to the game starting. GOGOGOGO

[Majiffy]

and you already said that you dont do RVS, why now? Scum found.

VOTE: Majiffy

Are you seriously voting me for RVSing when I strictly stated my vote wasn't an RVS vote?

[Majiffy]

Hey, guys, instead of trying to break an open setup where we even know who has what...

Lets try just hunting scum, eh? Yeah? Maybe probably going to offer a better chance at winning than trying to out-guess the mod and however many people reviewed the setup?

the majiffy i knew wouldn't act this crazy.

Where am I acting crazy?

[Majiffy]

Angel.

the majiffy i knew wouldn't act this crazy.

Where am I acting crazy?

[Majiffy]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Needed a good reason for mafia before she would agree. Scum found.

[Majiffy]

I don't know, am I?

Instead of asking me if I'm acting different, why don't you go do your homework? Or at the very least, take some kind of stance.

[Majiffy]

Prepare yourself for a headache, hp.

[Majiffy]

Also if you're referring to this;

vote: aa9 [/b

Pretty clearly he was trying to vote AA9 and missed a bracket.

[Majiffy]

Prepare yourself for a headache, hp.

Shut-up Majiffy. If you're scum, I am telling you that I will make you pay later... I swear on the god.

Only if I'm scum?

[Majiffy]

I am not reading all of this.

Tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

So I’m totally inclined to sheep Majiffy btw; he’s been excellent the last two times I’ve played with him.
...
I'm quite willing to work on breaking the night actions wide open and I think anyone who has said that we shouldn't even consider doing so is either wrong-headed town or scum trying to stop the town from optimizing.

*ahem*

@Majiffy: Can you please consider actually finding something more than what you have as this BW draws closer to its lynch, or otherwise revisit the scenario with a fresh mind to actually find scum?

You mean like her instant OMGUS of me instead of trying to clarify what she meant?
Or her terrible reads?
Or how her recent post you quoted here actually puts forth the argument of "BUT THAT WAS PREGAME!" as a defense, despite the fact that we all had our role PMs at that time?

Yeah. I was going to unvote and look at the wagoneers, but after that last bit... no dice. She's today's lynch.

If it helps, I don't like Passion Dale. But I never like Passion Dale, so I guess that's null.

I'm sorry I stepped out and had a life for the last 10 hours or so!!

Active lurk much?
VOTE: Jebus

{hp[leaves], Jebus, Toogeloo}
Probably one or two scum in this set. I doubt that's the whole scum team, though. Would certainly be nice.

FuDu - Mind giving me some ideas on who (outside of this group: {thezmon221, Desperado, Venmar}) you're reading as town? You've had some good one-on-one interactions with a good portion of the playerlist at this point.

[Majiffy]

Oh and that middle section is dated there, as evidenced by being bookended by two more recent posts. Never really got around to taking that whole todays-lynch out, Jebus is much more worthy of a wagon atm.

[Majiffy]

Jebua

Lie to me, and tell me this was an intentional spelling.

[Majiffy]

I love you. Let's find a woman to try to inseminate together so we can inadvertently sorta have babies.

[Majiffy]

I'm very good at getting my name in there...

[Majiffy]

... So you're purposefully playing VI so that you don't get lynched?

Yeah, survivalistic mentality at its best. Lynch this shit.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: AA9

Forgot I had switched my vote.

[Majiffy]

You're anti-town as hell and complete piece of shit!!!!

Says the person admittedly playing VI to survive...

now he votes me again and say things like “lynch this shit”
This is not the town Majiffy I know

Lol

My vote just keeps improving it seems

Shut up, Atlas, I'm tired of your shit.

[Majiffy]

AA9, I wasn't voting you for

agreeing

with me. You should go re-read my original vote in context with your posts.

[Majiffy]

Wanna go for an HP lynch then?

[Majiffy]

Ugh we have no way to vig AA9.

[Majiffy]

Don’t care.

...

Comically under-analyzed, no interest in an AA lynch right now.

1) Just wanted to rub it in.
2) What about the plethora of other reasons to lynch her, such as her poor play, her blatant OMGUS, and her defense of "BUT THAT WAS PREGAME NO FAIR!" when we already had our role PMs? Looks an awful lot like panicking caught scum.

[Majiffy]

I know you explained that you don't like Jebus for active lurking, but what were your reasons for not liking hp and myself, and why do you think there could be 2/3rds of a mafia team in those three names (ie. how are you linking them to be mafiamates)?

I'd have to hop into the ISOs for you and HP, and I'm a bit lazy at the moment.

Maybe

later tonight.

Also, you stated she is today's lynch in that post, meaning you still believe ArcAngel is scum (that and you went on to revote her), so how do your 3 suspicions also link to ArcAngel?

All scum reads are independently owned and operated, until I get a scum flip to look for associative tells.

I would switch to Jebus if it wasn't too early to call him out for lurking/active lurking.

My vote is switching if he keeps dodging the thread, my question, the suspicion put on him, and the game in general.

You switch, I'm going too.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Jebua

[Majiffy]

We can always come back to Angel if need be. Hop on the wagon, brutha.

[Majiffy]

Is there a wagon forming on him just because he is a lurker?

Active lurking and generally scummy posts.

[Majiffy]

Lurker, however, is kinda lurking. How appropriate.

He always does.

[Majiffy]

^ But he's sheeping me, so that means he's got a town wincon.

[Majiffy]

Shhh, let him sheep me.

[Majiffy]

Lol

[Majiffy]

Maybe we should get more votes on Jebua Christ Superstar.

[Majiffy]

ZzZzZzZzZz wake me up when we start lynching my scum reads or something.

[Majiffy]

2) What about the plethora of other reasons to lynch her, such as her poor play, her blatant OMGUS, and her defense of "BUT THAT WAS PREGAME NO FAIR!" when we already had our role PMs? Looks an awful lot like panicking caught scum.

Is this why I never listen to you despite your track record? The fact that your reasoning consists of trite buzzwords?

Stop huffing glue.

Also AJ pinged hard on the scumdar on the last page.

[Majiffy]

Captain role also says you can choose to disobey...

[Majiffy]

Also all votes on Desperado are stupid, as we should use up his powers to benefit town before lynching him.

[Majiffy]

I'd rather the other way around, force scum to make their kill choices early and then have two back-to-back lynching days immediately following the double kill.

[Majiffy]

I'd rather never have the day skip used at all actually. Plus lol if Desperado gets night killed same night he uses it and we never get a skipped night phase.

If you are adamant about using both, we should have the day phase go first to ensure we two lynches without a nightkill.

Forcing scum to make two nightkills gives us valuable information and also forces them to play based on only D1 interactions and knowledge of town players' mindsets. Ergo, we can weaken scum's ability to influence day play via night kills by making them choose their hand early. Following this with two day phases gives town both strength of information and also the ability for the gamestate to change drastically in favor of town after said nightkills.

Desperado doesn't necessarily have to use the day skip. There's almost no reason ever to allow two scum kills. But again, there's no point to this discussion. Rather, Majiffy, for the sake of all things good, let's talk about why my last post was scummy in your eyes.

Actually wasn't your last post, but the one in which you posted that illiteracy picture.

Gave me some serious scum vibes in the way you posted it; you "intended" it to be a funny-ha-ha picture but it really came off as a cheap-shot way to discredit your attacker. To this extent, it looked more scum motivated than town motivated.

Majiffy, I'm thinking of doc protecting you night 1. Will I be alive on Day 2?

How the hell should I know? It's not like I'm a PGO or anything so this question is just kind of stupid.

[Majiffy]

1) Narrows down the lynching pool
2) Gives us information
3) Allows us time to gather information (tracker, watcher, etc whatever information roles we have)

Probably more, but those are just off the top of my head.

[Majiffy]

That being said, if we go through with this idea, we should definitely all state our last reads before the day ends, since we'll be sans two players and this is a small little game. So let's play cautious when we get around the L-1 mark.

[Majiffy]

I hope you plan on making a sizable post addressing the votes on you, as well as other occurrences in the game.

[Majiffy]

Both sides of this argument is making my brain hurt from stupidity.

[Majiffy]

I'mokwiththis.jpg

VOTE: HP

p-edit: poastz.

[Majiffy]

Try to keep up, Dale, eh?

[Majiffy]

Maj, what if Desp gets killed in the first or second night?

Then we play mafia like normal

I'mokwiththis.jpg

Any reasons for your vote?

My scum read on you would be a part of it, I think.

Majiffy’s argument about favoring a double night kill is just goofier than a pet coon. His first argument is complete nonsense because no one seriously makes the argument that the town is better off with fewer members, the second is a meaningless platitude like lynching someone for having “more interesting connections” and while the third is true I’ve never seen Majiffy want to depend on night play.

1) I've given reasons why. Instead of a blatant appeal to the masses, how about you actually address my reasons?
2) Why is it meaningless? You can't just state your conclusion as fact without offering reasons.
3) I've never gotten the chance to affect night play in such a way. So your argument here is moot.

Someone explain to me why HP is scum because i'm not seeing it right now.

Maybe later. Too many tabs, not enough time.

It amounts to "increased information" but that increased information is really just scum killing off the good town players or the town players with the most effective powers which, duh, isn't very useful at all.

It tells us which roles or players they're afraid of.

[Majiffy]

Or, you and Arc could, you know, not use those powers during the two consecutive nights.

[Majiffy]

Eh maybe.

[Majiffy]

Any night that I use my power is more than likely going to be a risk.

I

will

be using my power every night

For one, it's my action, and more specifically, my life that I put on the line when I protect a player.

This is the most anti-town mindset I've ever fucking read.

[Majiffy]

I'm saying that the mindset you're coming from is absurdly anti-town.

"Fuck you, I'mma do what I want! Complete disregard for the general wincon or well-being of the town! Fuck you! I'mma do what I want!"

[Majiffy]

My town doubles as a cop action AND a protection power. And you call me anti-town?

This only works if we both a) know who you're protecting and b) know that you weren't killed by mafia.

[Majiffy]

VI doc detected.

[Majiffy]

Yes that's exactly what perspective my comment was coming from, how insightful of you.

[Majiffy]

If I've been in the driver seat of the town, then there's no one at the wheel. I've been largely hands-off all game.

[Majiffy]

Ok let me go find you some pampers honey. Are you in the 1-6 m. size or the 6-12 m. size?

[Majiffy]

"Pitched a fit", or "called you out on being a retard"? I know, the line is thin.

[Majiffy]

Well seeing as a number of players have shown their support for

my

plan, and we have offered

reasons

, mind if we hear yours?

[Majiffy]

Which is why vig doesn't shoot and doc needs to play as a team and not fuck-it-all rebel.
Seriously the arguments being brought up against my plan aren't even real arguments as long as people are willing to work together...

re: 3 - a: so? I think we can discern this pretty quickly b: Not really. If they're afraid of investigative roles, that means they're afraid of being caught by them, which tells us something about their roles itself.

We have night skip AND day skip. There are pros for both. I'm advocating that we use them both.

Christ, at least read my posts, yeah?

[Majiffy]

I accept your apology.

[Majiffy]

Waiting for me for what?

[Majiffy]

post_id=4860860 time=1365620538 user_id=10128 post_num=131]Well, look at the scum who's trying to manipulate pr's to her own liking.

This is scummy.

A number of posts in your iso serve only to discredit players or keep town from working together.

I don't see any posts of you legitimately attempting to determine the alignment of any player, and a good portion of your posts look like mudslinging or setting up people with "x is scummy", "y is scummy" "z is scummy", and that's all you do. Call everyone in the game scummy. - That's not town behavior, particularly with your sticky voting habits. Sticky voters tunnel, fluid voters spread the pressure.

[Majiffy]

i'm not willing to wagon hp anytime soon.

Jebus still seems like the right wagon... Majiffy please come and butter me up with your presence.

1) Why not
2) Maybe

post_id=4882039 time=1366222555 user_id=10128 post_num=476]@Maj
Speculation also takes away from scumhunting, which is why I prefer to not discuss it at lengths.

I agree to an extent, but I draw a line between optimal play for a single role and the type of setup spec that involves a thousand roles doing prescripted actions that can fall apart should any one of those roles be scum. We give scum a roadmap for the night actions in the latter. In the former, however, it's certainly worth the merits of discussing how a single role's night actions can be used to put us in a more optimal position.

post_id=4882107 time=1366223703 user_id=10128 post_num=477]His 180 degree turn on thinking about sheeping Maj makes me think that Maj hit a sweet spot right there with either AA or Jebus.

Or it could be that he just has never sheeped me, and his personality is such that he probably never will without great cause.

Associative tells on unflipped players is worth bugger all.

[Majiffy]

1) Why not

Jebus, better wagons and all that.

So it's not that he's NOT a scumread, it's that Jebus is a bigger one?

[Majiffy]

So then if the Jebus wagon doesn't have the necessary support to go through, you'd be willing to switch to HP?

[Majiffy]

Then see if you can round up enough votes, and count me in. Otherwise, switch to HP.

[Majiffy]

Paschendale, Venmar, Lurker, hp [leaves], Majiffy

7 to lynch, so find 2 more that aren't in this list.
Unless it's 8 to lynch. IDK what 13 alive is.

[Majiffy]

1) Ah I just grabbed it off the last votecount and added my name. So whatever.
2) I think it's half + 1 though, so that's 13.5 + 1 = 14.5
3) DDD is scummy too, but I'm not liking the wagon.

[Majiffy]

Wagon itself.

Yes but the vote count also says 7 to no lynch.

[Majiffy]

I don't have a firm read on Thez or Aj.

[Majiffy]

Thing is I mostly think he's scummy because he's arguing against what I consider optimal strategy, and not because of anything in particular is really all that scummy.

[Majiffy]

Pretty sure tracker can't track commuter.

[Majiffy]

Being that the whole point of a commuter role is that it can't be night-actioned on.

And all.

Ya know.

[Majiffy]

If he doesn't take an action he'd get the same result... Also seems like a waste of a track; unless DDD is the only scum left, he can commute safely and not have to perform the night kill. Ergo AJ's action is useless.

[Majiffy]

Which leads us back to why I said this whole plotting of every PR's night action just gives scum a roadmap for their night actions. We need to stop discussing it and let the PRs decide for themselves what to do. This allows for highest possible efficiency, potential reads, and also forces scum to not only play very carefully, but also spend their time killing off their biggest investigative or otherwise night-action powerful threats.

[Majiffy]

So we're back to doing what Majiffy said originally, tl;dr.

[Majiffy]

We need to stop discussing it and let the PRs decide for themselves what to do.

Where was this side of you last night when I said I wanted to decide my own action and you were like,

"n'yeh! Yer Anti-Town!"

I didn't care so much arguing for/against your point, but rather against your anti-town attitude in vain of a 5 year old that doesn't like being told what to do.

[Majiffy]

Fyi Thez if you try to tell me who to Neighbor I will fucking tunnel your ass so hard the next day phase, I promise you.

[Majiffy]

Unless it's someone I actually want to neighbor, in which case, all cool. Obv.

[Majiffy]

Townpoints for the Toogpanda based on top of the page post.

VOTE: AJ

[Majiffy]

There are a number of entities in this game that cannot all be scum but are highly anti-town at best in their current behavior.

If you're not sure if you're one of the aforementioned, you probably are. If you're certain you're not, you

definitely

are.

[Majiffy]

Wanna mention a few of them, and perhaps which ones you think are most likely scum?

You and Thez are the most recent pinging my scumdar with some atrocious posts.

[Majiffy]

Wanna mention a few of them, and perhaps which ones you think are most likely scum?

You and Thez are the most recent pinging my scumdar with some atrocious posts.

you think i am scum buddy with Thez? seriously??
Are you day drinking majiffy?

First off... it's night here Brownie.

Secondly... look at who I quoted. I'll give you a hint: it doesn't say ArcAngel9.

[Majiffy]

weren't you suppose to respond to my post first?? Huh!!
Fine, whatever!!!

No, because they were asking the same question and quoting Passion Dale's gave me the opportunity to be snarky.

[Majiffy]

Venmar are you looking for a two story or a ranch?

[Majiffy]

Uhhh a two story igloo or a ranch igloo?

[Majiffy]

Boy that'll be tough to make...

Ok, I'll try.

[Majiffy]

Hm, Jebua's last post was 23 hours ago, but I can't remember a single memorable one (god, I really need to find a better phrase... not remembering unmemorable things is kind of redundant) in any recent period of time.

If it comes down to deadline, I'll be voting Jebua. But I'd really like to find a better scum candidate.

I really like your 586, because it echos how I've felt about the direction of this game for the last few days.

[Majiffy]

Can we get a refreshed vote-count?

[Majiffy]

Well if the votes are there.

VOTE: Jebua

[Majiffy]

Your countdown is actually counting down to midnight, mod.

This message brought to you by a player in EST who can do maths.

[Majiffy]

We'll get Aj tomorrow D³

[Majiffy]

I don't think support is there for it.

[Majiffy]

Might as well hop on now.

[Majiffy]

Yep.

[Majiffy]

Any reason we need to have Jebus at L-1 right now? We already know that many players are willing to lynch him, so there's no reason to have the possibility of hammer while we still have time to talk. Leaving him at L-1 is just grounds for someone to come in and say, "Let's just move on, HAMMUH!"

What do you propose we talk about? because if I had another vote, I'd be hammering right now.

[Majiffy]

Even if there IS a claim and content, he's probably hanging anyway. Let's not fool ourselves.

p-edit: Welp

[Majiffy]

Some of us weren't paying a whole lot of attention while the rest of you were derping for 20 pages.

[Majiffy]

Mod can you update the OP with the dead, and please put their roles in the dead list as well as in all future death scenes?

[Majiffy]

There was supposed to be a

at the end of that...
Mod, see above.[/b]

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

Yeah Venmar and I had a fun conversation about igloos and penguins riding polar bears.

[Majiffy]

We also briefly discussed the game, which was less entertaining.

[Majiffy]

I guess we're not getting our night skip. That's annoying.

Also I just noticed something that would appear really damning if I didn't know my own alignment.
According to AJ, Toog doc'ed me and died. Being a weak doctor, that implies I'm scum.

[Majiffy]

I don't know if he still is, never been Neighborizor before. I neighbored you next.

[Majiffy]

I assumed AA was the one who killed HP. Didn't she have a vig shot?

Majiffy visited Venmar. (I still don't like Thezmon's choice at all).
Toogeloo visited Majiffy.

Yeah, that was dumb. "hurr hurr, let's confirm the neighbor!"

[Majiffy]

Also lets talk about this retarded facial expression;



Great pose.

[Majiffy]

AA9 please make this your avatar, it will make reading your posts hilarious.

[Majiffy]

Is it a blowjob? I bet it's a blowjob.

[Majiffy]

You send me a camera and a guy.

[Majiffy]

Polaroid, please, I like to wiggle pictures as they develop instantly.

[Majiffy]

Brb PMing Thor...

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: For AA9 - NSFW -

Sorry I couldn't get an action shot*, it got hot and heavy pretty quick.

*Image may or may not be representative of the physical characteristics of myself and Thor.

[Majiffy]

{Aj, Lurker, DDD, Pasch}
This will be my pool of lynchables to consider over the next two day phases.

[Majiffy]

Which gives the scumteam a potential mix of the following; Commuter (DDD), 1-shot BP Ninja (Pasch), Tracker (AJ), and Silencer (Lurker).

Not a very powerful team

[Majiffy]

Yes, I'm just saying we probably don't have to consider night action juggling as heavily as n1/n2 now.

[Majiffy]

DDD and Aj are HP's partners.

[Majiffy]

Almost certain of it after reading his ISO.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Aj The Epic

[Majiffy]

Care to provide a case for me? I took a quick look through his ISO and didn't find much that meta strikes to me as scum. I know him pretty well, as has been stated earlier in the game.

Only mention of Aj was something about "why are you attacking Aj?". Never even followed up with his query.

That's pretty damning.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: Look, just because I was a general lazy-ass day 1 doesn't mean I'm HP's partner.

I was mentioned by HP once... so I really can't argue with/against your logic, Majiffy.

Also this is a pretty damning pre-attack defense. And neat that he zeroed right in on only being mentioned by HP once before I even posted that as the primary motivator.

[Majiffy]

I can't speak for him, but I assumed myself already that the mentioning of him by HP (and partial buddying) was your primary motivator. Or you're saying it isn't?

It is, but it seems to be scum-motivated to try to pre-emptively take the wind out of my attack in such a way.

I'm in very very hard.I can see where this leads to scumminess. Do you have more on him? Perhaps some about his specific play as opposed to his interplay with HP? I don't know HP as a player outside of this game, but he seemed to avoid Aj in general. As with the case which I relayed to Venmar, the case isn't enough to sway me to vote for him. I agree with some points, but I'm not convinced enough.[/quote]
No, I haven't bothered looking. But I have a good percentage of the playerlist down as town; the earlier 4 players I mentioned were POE'd. I could probably go through and look at his ISO if you really need a case, but I'm a very lazy man.

[Majiffy]

Oops.

[Majiffy]

I can't speak for him, but I assumed myself already that the mentioning of him by HP (and partial buddying) was your primary motivator. Or you're saying it isn't?

It is, but it seems to be scum-motivated to try to pre-emptively take the wind out of my attack in such a way.

I can see where this leads to scumminess. Do you have more on him? Perhaps some about his specific play as opposed to his interplay with HP? I don't know HP as a player outside of this game, but he seemed to avoid Aj in general. As with the case which I relayed to Venmar, the case isn't enough to sway me to vote for him. I agree with some points, but I'm not convinced enough.

No, I haven't bothered looking. But I have a good percentage of the playerlist down as town; the earlier 4 players I mentioned were POE'd. I could probably go through and look at his ISO if you really need a case, but I'm a very lazy man.

[Majiffy]

Not liking the speed of the wagon but I'm pretty ok with the wagoneers, so this should be a good wagon.

[Majiffy]

Not sure I have an opinion on it. The group of 4 I listed earlier was more POE than anything. All of my original scumreads are dead, and only one flipped scum

[Majiffy]

That was my impression of the events.

[Majiffy]

UNVOTE: Aj

The above is towneffort.

[Majiffy]

I told you in the QT but I had a town read on him at one point. It isn't as strong as it was but I like to hold onto my townreads, damnit.

Passion Dale brought up a good point re: directing away from Desperado, though. I might go back and re-read him sometime soon.

[Majiffy]

3 people give me a TL;DR tomorrow -

Venmar
AA9
FuDu

[Majiffy]

VOTE: DDD

[Majiffy]

Someone give me the tldr for this thread. I stopped paying real attention days ago.

[Majiffy]

That does help Aj. Thanks. Also Thez didn't realize you were waiting on a case for Deb. I'll get to it this weekend, maybe, probably.

most people are probably looking to this Venmar/Majiffy combo to do something fantastic.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Lurker

Go look at his ISO.

[Majiffy]

One of Thezmon/AJ scum. AA9; give me thoughts, darling.

[Majiffy]

Go look at his ISO.

All I see is what I've seen before - nothing of value except jumping on popular lynches and saying he'll do something later. What made a change in heart for you?[/quote]
Never looked at his ISO before. Lurking is an effective strategy.

[Majiffy]

Rolefishing in smalltown?

[Majiffy]

Maybe when hp was scum and I had AA target him

Angel can you please confirm that you were directed by Thez to shoot HP?

[Majiffy]

Yeesh, running down to deadline. Only about 2 days left.

Anyone else down for a Lurker lynch, or do I need to settle?

[Majiffy]

None of that has any merit in a discussion of why he is or isn't scum.

Look at his ISO. Does it look like a scum ISO, or a town ISO? Why?

Arguing against a lynch "because it doesn't really help us" is fucking absurd.

[Majiffy]

You'll not catch me making an argument that Lurker is playing in a pro-town fashion.

But he was playing this exact same way yesterday and you still insisted on a different (policy) lynch brushing off my suggestion that Lurker was clearly the superior lynch if that was the standard you were applying.

And now the next day you're just lazily slopping onto a policy lynch again, about the only complimentary thing I can say is that a Lurker lynch is still better than lynching me.

Are you trying to argue lynching the unknown evil rather than the known one, here?

Lurker's ISO looks like someone who's not really playing. It doesn't look like scum. The actual content would be okay, though not great, if it were confined to the span of a day 1 discussion.

What about Lurker's posts looks deliberate to you, Majiffy, rather than simply apathetic?

748 and 791 look exactly like scum-flying-under-the-radar.

[Majiffy]

1.5 days as of this post.

[Majiffy]

Would have been nice to have gotten his last reads but we're running close to deadline.

[Majiffy]

AA9 didn't give me any last reads in the neighborhood.

[Majiffy]

I'm not really sure.

[Majiffy]

Oh baby when you talk like that
You make a woman go mad
So be wise and keep on
Reading the signs of my body

And I'm on tonight
You know my hips don't lie
And I'm starting to feel it's right
All the attraction, the tension
Don't you see baby, this is perfection

[Majiffy]

It's serious, because the way we do it where Aj and I are from is a bit different because we follow 25-33, but apparently you guys follow 20-30 or something like that. Majiffy could vouch for the confusion in another game we are in (hint hint, you're a hydra).

Depending on what game it is, I'm paying as much as little to zero attention to that game.

[Majiffy]

Oh and the Paschendale argument is complete trash.

[Majiffy]

Oh and the Paschendale argument is complete trash.

Aj's argument why Pasch is scum, or Pasch's argument why you are scum? If it is the latter, I totally agree. Don't feel like you lead us astray, as I know I personally was an advocate for a Lurker lynch since D1, and it honestly was a good lynch anyways, because I doubt that DDD is scum.

Obviously the latter, lol.

[Majiffy]

I guess I'm ok with this. What L is Pasch at?

p-edit: I guess L-0.

[Majiffy]

Lol.

[Majiffy]

Welp, I'm hard.

[Majiffy]

Venmar has kindly informed me in the neighborhood that he is scum and they've already won, so my money is on no.

[Majiffy]

3 votes v 2.

If I have a vote and another townie has a vote, and they steal your vote, that gives the 2 scum 3 votes, and the 3 townies 2 votes. Whereby ensuring a win.

[Majiffy]

"Did you win or did you fuck up?"
"I'm not that dumb, we won"

Yeah.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Venmar
If Venmar is town, Venmar is retarded. Venmar isn't retarded. Therefore, Venmar isn't town.

There's no scum motivation for me to put forth the argument I did when everyone was/is already reading me as town. All I'd have to do to win in this situation is just ensure my teammate isn't lynched.

[Majiffy]

Possible that Venmar forgot to submit his night action. How the hell should I know? All I know is he admitted he was scum and now he's lying about it.

[Majiffy]

Also, DDDP, what do you think now that the mod has confirmed Venmar could've won by now

were he scum?

had he not fucked up and not sent in his night action?

The premise I'm operating under at this point.

[Majiffy]

Why would I try to steal DDDP's vote as scum hoping for an easy win, knowing he could commute? Why wouldn't I just steal AJ's or Majiffy's for a guaranteed steal and a win? This doesn't add up logically.

B) Thezmon didn't direct me.

I think I mentioned I was forced by Thezmon to track Venmar. And he went to [DDD].

Mhmm.

Anyway I think DDDP should vote Venmar before anyone else to confirm that he

has

a vote, and thus

did

commute.

Also I'd say this largely confirms Thez town.

[Majiffy]

Oh Thez is dead that would explain a lot.

[Majiffy]

I don't want to hear your lip, boy.

[Majiffy]

Venmar has learned a valuable lesson today. Never admit you're scum until the game is announced over.

[Majiffy]

Venmar has learned a valuable lesson today. Never admit you're scum until the game is announced over.

Amen

Fyi I was starting to lean scum on you when you began to be uncooperative in the neighborhood re: your reads.