Mini 1503: Game of Things

[Jake from State Farm]

Sup

[Jake from State Farm]

^ that was gonna be my guess

[Jake from State Farm]

havingfitz says "now comes the mystery

[Jake from State Farm]

I can keep guessing yes?

[Jake from State Farm]

bert said Yolo it's true

[Jake from State Farm]

dream?

[Jake from State Farm]

you are allowed to switch your guess but I don't think you can guess more than 1 person

so him changing the phrase to another is ok, he just can't guess more than 1 person.

idk what sera's username and avatar have to do with anything.

[Jake from State Farm]

Just like votes, you may switch your guess. But you can only have 1 guess per vote count.

that is how I am interpreting this

[Jake from State Farm]

and I mean guess more than 1 person per VC

[Jake from State Farm]

If it was right it would be crossed off

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh shit, so idk if my guess was right or serra's

[Jake from State Farm]

so then I got fitz right, yay me.

can I give my points away? I don't want any power lol

[Jake from State Farm]

guy name riggs says this is my body double

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: Mr. Ree

[Jake from State Farm]

cause only 2 people guessed the phrase and per the mod's clarification serra's guess was most likely not counted cause the mod said you can guess a different person but you can't guess a different phrase for the same person.

and no I won't share my points with scum

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm confused bert, do you think Dry is town or TIP is scum? questioning TIP for a case and nobody else seems odd

[Jake from State Farm]

The point of me asking that is I really want to know if I can give my points away

[Jake from State Farm]

that is actually a good way to do it imo

guess aeronaut said fly little bird

[Jake from State Farm]

points?

[Jake from State Farm]

I am competing cause I am competitive by nature, I always want to be right.

that last sentence is typical from scum, I already thought you were scum but I will just take that as a scum claim

everyone should be voting Mr. Ree

but to humor you, no I am not trying to set up a reason why I wouldn't be night killed. I make horrible decisions as PRs, I can't read people for shit until we get closer to end game not to mention I am more comfortable when I don't have to worry about my own survival.

[Jake from State Farm]

btw since I called you scum a page or 2 ago, your omgus is noted. yet another reason why you are scum

[Jake from State Farm]

don't fucking edit my posts bitch.

[Jake from State Farm]

you don't actually have to vote a person to omgus them...

[Jake from State Farm]

you basically did though

[Jake from State Farm]

first things first, I am town so there is no IF

and NO I don't want to be a PR. My favorite role ever is vanilla townie. I am not going to just sit here and let the points fall into the hands of scum or to somebody else who isn't going to be as active as I am. This is a 13P game right? so 3 man scum team is the norm. I have to assume 1 scum is going to have a 2 point lead over any other townie automatically because the scum most likely had time to discuss there answers with each other. (could be 100% wrong here btw but this is how my mind works)

The odds of 1 non mafia player randomly guessing more than 2 phrases correctly are probably very slim (i suck at maffs) so in my mind at least 1 role will most likely fall into the hands of scum.

So I am going to keep trying to win points. I asked about giving them away cause if the mod would let me I would give them to someone but back of my mind and the rules say that I probably can't. If I get the most points I will gladly take whatevr role I can get with my points, but I certainly do not WANT any role what so ever.

p.edit - since I know that you stand a good chance of being scum, no it doesn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

actually my scum read on you has nothing to do with you having points.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm overly confident if someone were to check my ISO they would see I have in fact called scumteams in RVS, only while playing as town.

I am pretty sure saying you only do something as town is a trust tell and is against site rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

Trying to get reasoning out of Jake is like pulling teeth. It would be way faster if he would give me something to work with here.

my reasoning for thinking you are scum is mainly gut, I also see a weird connection with serra and I believe the 2 of you are scum together. Something feels off in your posts, your vote for safety was horrible imo and I don't see much town motivation in your actions.

All you had to do was ask (which you did a couple of posts ago) I went to bed early cause I wasn't feeling well

[Jake from State Farm]

Safety looks painfully town with the whole rule clarification thing. Plus I've butted heads with him before and my early gut read says he's town. Out of the safety/Ree exchange Ree comes out looking worse.

[Jake from State Farm]

Sera, why does everyone need to post before you explain your reads? That looks like a stalling tactic.

[Jake from State Farm]

Looking at the activity log, everyone has posted btw, in fact 15 people have posted which is odd since this is a 13 player game

[Jake from State Farm]

The thing is I didn't even take safety's vote as being serious. I just assumed it was rvs

The only thing I'm confused about is I still don't know what the specific issue was about with regards to rule violations, but I don't see scum making a big deal about it.

Off the top of my head I can't remember which game we played together but I'm pretty sure it was a gnr game. Maybe it was monopoly?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why do you feel safety's vote is bad ? Explain it to me

[Jake from State Farm]

@ safety - was your vote on Ree serious ? If yes please explain what wifom and proclamation you are speaking of. Also explain your reasoning better cause I didn't feel like it was a legit vote

[Jake from State Farm]

oh yeah I guess I should read better

[Jake from State Farm]

Awesome reading fitz , you missed the plan we are all doing

[Jake from State Farm]

We are guessing the same phrase so mafia doesn't know who gets it right and is earning points...

[Jake from State Farm]

Just keep reading

P.edit - this is directed at fitz

[Jake from State Farm]

Sera, why does everyone need to post before you explain your reads? That looks like a stalling tactic.

Looking at the activity log, everyone has posted btw, in fact 15 people have posted which is odd since this is a 13 player game

[Jake from State Farm]

Sera, why does everyone need to post before you explain your reads? That looks like a stalling tactic.

[Jake from State Farm]

you are on record for calling 4 or 5 people town or probably town, and haven't provided any reason why especially when some of these people are not obvious town in the slightest, specifically ree, Tip, and tne so asking you to explain those town reads and you complying is what we are doing here. I don't give a rats ass who hasn't posted, you need to justify how you have strong reads based on so little.

I'm pushing you because I am fairly certain you and ree are scum buddies so I am not going to let up because you have some mafia theoryesque objection.

now explain your town reads.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok

vote: serra

I don't care which one of you get lynched since i am fairly certain you are partners

[Jake from State Farm]

early interaction felt like you were partners, specifically changing of the phrase felt like you had inside knowlege (see my scum theory I posted earlier)
your town read/defense of ree makes no sense because nothing about his posts have been pro-town, in fact they have been very anti-town.
stalling to explain reads
refusing to explain reads

[Jake from State Farm]

Having reread the mods posts again I am unsure if I got a point or if Serra did. I doubt fitz and Ree will confirm who's right so we won't know unit night 1. If Ree said it then my theory is 100% correct IMO cause. Serra quickly changing like that was completely strange and being right just makes it even worse.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ fitz - I was facepalming you still not following the plan but I guess at that point you still had no idea what the plan actually was.

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@ Serra

What the hell sort of reason would I have to guess at my scumbuddy's phrase twice? Just because you think you see a connection between us doesn't mean we're scum...

why would you not?
and yes of course it doesn't mean 100% that you are scum, but the interaction struck me as weird and not town like and your continued interactions and posts have done nothing but support my read. I realize I could totally be wrong here but I don't think I am.

Because he's wrong about you/Safety?

no it's because I don't see town motivation in his posts.

My read on him isn't particularly strong, mind you, but I don't see why you think Safety comes out of their argument looking more townie (hey, look, another read you barely justified).

umm, I justified my read.

As an aside, it's interesting to see how you're willing to disregard what may or may not be theoretically optimal play because of how sure you are I'm scum.

Just because you say it's optimal, doesn't mean it actually is. Waiting around for others to post hinders discussion and it slows the game down to a pace that nobody really feels compelled to do anything. At this point we have nothing going on but guessing and some minor back and forth questioning. I am point blank questioning you to help me better determine your alignment and you refuse to respond until others post more? That's not pro-town.

I know 'stalling' is a nice buzzword to call people scummy over, but have you considered what scum-me would have to gain by not explaining my reads

Stalling isn't a buzzword becaue it's what you are actually doing. Now there are a ton of definitions of the word Stall, but this one fits what you are doing (the bolded)

to hold off, divert, or delay by evasion

or deception

And what you have to gain from that is you will hope people will forget about it because 10 pages from now, you can easily use the excuse of "oh my reads changed so my early reasonings are irrelevant now" I also do not believe you actually have reasons, which is also why you are stalling.

and the quote LITERALLY HAD "MYSTERY" IN IT,

and that relates to him how?

but your "theory" that I would immediately guess my partners phrase is bad, and you should feel bad.

it actually isn't but thanks for your opinion, I will file it in the circular file with the others.

On this, I had a decent rant not too long ago about how town would make better decisions if individuals didn't overestimate the likelihood of guessing the scumteam correctly. Y'all motherfuckers need Bayes

[Jake from State Farm]

btw, serra how on earth can you think I have a scum read on Mr. Ree because of his posts regarding Safety/me when i called him scum BEFORE he made any posts about me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Have anything else to add?

[Jake from State Farm]

The Irish popr said My Wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. One of us has to go

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake: What about any of my posts is anti town? Where am I stalling or refusing to explain reads? Are you sure you are reading the right game? When I am sure about my reads, you'll know it. Until then, you and Safety are my top two candidates for scum with Safety currently being in the lead.

are you reading it? because all of that was directed at serra not you

[Jake from State Farm]

as for your posts that are anti-town, I will get to that when I get to work

[Jake from State Farm]

@Mr. Ree. One more thing. I'm not asking for serra's reads on everyone. Again are you fucking reading the same game as me? He has town reads on 4 or 5 people. I asked him to explain those cause some I don't understand. He refused to explain them. Why? There is no reason not to. It's part of my job to catch scum faking it and if he won't justify his reads , it looks like scum faking it

[Jake from State Farm]

ok Mr. Ree's posts

Spoiler:

post 64 - I didn't like your reaction to the observation made by Safety, he pointed out something legitimate and you got offended by it, not to mention you also threw in something he didn't even mention. He never said anything about you calling out scum teams. Seems defensive at worst, at best it's pure omgus. While omgus can be null at times, there is certainly no town motivation for it. Defensive/Omgus = bad. Not to mention your vote on Bert didn't really look like RVS, at least not any RVS I have ever seen. RVS is usually for some silly reason, your vote didn't contain some silly reason

post 65 - personally don't like the fact that you would inquire about guessing your own phrase, looks like you were looking for a cheap way to get points. While not really alignment related, it's just a shitty thing to want to do.

post 100 - this post is ok
post 101 - 103 - So you LIKE serra's idea about directing roles to town reads but you have issues with me trying to earn points and wanting to give them away to my town reads? I am scummy because I want to essentially do what serra was suggesting just in my own way? THAT makes no fucking sense.

post 106 - editing posts is wrong and technically you should be modkilled or force replaced

post 112 - "If you are town wouldn't you want a PR" is bad logic. You should know that not every town player WANTS a power role.
"You did vote me a page or so ago yet gave no reasoning. Why SHOULDN'T Iinvestigate the possibility of you being scum? They have to frame someone right? Why not go for the guy who just got a PR point? Or... did you have a different reason?" - This is assuming I knew you had earned a point, which I didn't. Again more of you being on the defensive, you seem to take offense to people voting you and thinking you are scummy and I don't see town motivation for it. If people vote you who the fuck cares

post 113 - playing dum - no town motivation for it

post 119 - this is the post where you have violated a site rule. idk if the mod saw it and will address it or not but I really don't feel like ruining another game calling for a player to be force replaced so I will just report you post game so at least it's on record. Again there is nothing but scum motivation for using a trust tell, as that is why it's against the rules.

122/123/126 - 126 was completely unnecessary because I had not even posted when you asked me the question in 122/123. As you will later see when I finally do post I give my reasoning. There is no town motivation to ask me a question and criticize me for not answering it when i am not even around to answer it. If I had posted it and ignored, FINE you could criticize me but you don't get to do it before I even get the chance.

post 131 is kind of interesting because you say " like to figure out those I'm playing with. I do so by placing people out of their comfort zone and asking questions I can't figure out/I already know and analyzing responses. I like to have an accurate profile to read players by." yet I don't see you doing this to anyone and AGAIN you are trying to imply like I am stalling giving you an answer to a question that you just asked and I have not posted since you asked it. So 1. you aren't doing what you say you like to do and 2. you are continuing to discredit me KNOWING I am not directly avoiding your question since I haven't fucking posted since you asked it. No town motivation for this.

post 141 - I can't tell if you are joking or being serious in this post, if it's joking be more obvious. If it is serious, why not vote for Pope or Dry?

post 193 - intentionally trying to misrep what I was doing when 1. I didn't ask either you or fitz to tell me who was right, I specifically said that I didn't think either of you would tell us who was right and we would have to wait til night 1. Now you say that wasn't your phrase so if that is the case I should go into the night with at least 1 point. If at night I don't have 1 point we will know you are lying. I don't see town motivation for trying to misrep a player

[Jake from State Farm]

The Irish pope said "I don't have much time. I hid the money under the..."

[Jake from State Farm]

Not caring who's right. Just following the plan

[Jake from State Farm]

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

But he made me laugh in one.

[Jake from State Farm]

But let's be Serious for a minute. I have 2 scum named and you want me to switch to someone you can't even make a proper case for. Why?

If I'm wrong about Ree/ Serra tell me why

If you honestly believe that darthe is scum, which posts look like scum posts and why?

My tolerance for people half assing on this site is driving me to quit playing here, and I really don't want to quit playing here so if you or anyone else wants me to leave my biggest scum reads , you are gonna have do try harder than

"I cannot see his posts coming from someone with a town role pm"

[Jake from State Farm]

That's better thanks. I'm always down for a fitz lynch but I'm not supposed to bring outside grudges so I won't.

unvote

Let me get our of tunnel mode and calm down.

P.edit - I'm going to see if I can but why do I have to? Damn now I almost don't want to just because I hate being told what to do...

P.edit x 2 - really fitz? You don't think you are lurking?

Stop ducking pediting damn you all

[Jake from State Farm]

[Jake from State Farm]

Catching up #Brb

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Jake from State Farm]

gnr said this is my body double

[Jake from State Farm]

My own self made me get out of tunnel mode, nothing anyone said made it happen

[Jake from State Farm]

I rarely adjust my reads when I am sure

[Jake from State Farm]

my accusations against serra haven't been proven wrong

[Jake from State Farm]

You still haven't explained how any of my posts are anti town. You need to justify those reads. You haven't yet. Why are YOU stalling? How do my posts hurt town? How do my posts support scum? Explain. If stalling is a scum tactic, why are you doing it?

ORLY?

Vote: Mr. Ree

only scum is going to RESPOND to my posts where I explain how his posts are anti-town and where I justify my reads and then turn around and accuse me of not doing it and say I am stalling.

[Jake from State Farm]

and do me a favor, don't talk to me anymore. Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

Post 106. There is nothing wrong with editing QUOTES. Someone just earned a scummy Nom for doing so. Didn't you nth?

this is the only post in your spoilers I am going to waste my time on.

No I didn't Nth

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh? Really?

None of that explained how my posts were specifically anti town. I asked you to explain what made them anti town, instead you gave me a pbp analysis. Not only that, you didn't respond to any of my points regarding those posts.

I asked you to show me posts that hurt town and the possible justification behind them. If that post can only hurt town, it's anti town. If a post can have town motivation, it's not.

Similarly, calling something scummy, does not make it scummy simply on principal alone. Something is scummy if only scum has a reason to do it. Something both alignments would do is null. Something only town would post is a town post.

Justify why any of those posts wouldn't have come from town Ree.

@TNE, Serra, Bert, Fitz and anyone else familiar with my play, feel free to comment on his answers.

sorry, I thought people with a 3rd grade reading comprehension would be able to pick out my reasoning within those posts. Didn't realize I needed to hold anyones hand

Spoiler:

1. Defensive/Omgus = bad
2. "So you LIKE serra's idea about directing roles to town reads but you have issues with me trying to earn points and wanting to give them away to my town reads? I am scummy because I want to essentially do what serra was suggesting just in my own way?" This is scummy because you are intentionally trying to paint somebody scummy for doing something you actually agree with.
3. editing posts is wrong and technically you should be modkilled or force replaced (pretty fucking obvious here)
4. " Again more of you being on the defensive, you seem to take offense to people voting you and thinking you are scummy and I don't see town motivation for it."
5. "playing dum - no town motivation for it"
6. violating a site rule using a trust tell IS scum motivated.
7. The part where you start discrediting me some more implying like I am avoiding your questions when I haven't posted isn't town motivated and it's completely scummy
8. you say you like to play a certain way and I point out that you aren't playing that way. yeah that's scummy
9. "intentionally trying to misrep"

If you aren't going use your ability to read and comprehend what you are reading, please replace the fuck out.

[Jake from State Farm]

and in my book calling something scummy DOES make it scummy, because none of those things I can see town motivation for. for example, in my opinion Lurking and lying are 100% scumtells. BUT town does them too. IN your definition that would be null but if I treat them as null that means I am condoning town to lie and lurk, which I will never do so they remain scumtells to me. So the things that you have done that I have called out are scummy to me and I don't really give a flying fuck if town does it also, they are scummy to me and that's all that matters

[Jake from State Farm]

He edited one of my posts and worded it like I was calling myself scum.

Here's the deal. I'm going to death tunnel Ree until he's finally lynched so if that's going to be too annoying go ahead and just lynch me.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am competing cause I am competitive by nature, I always want to be right.

that last sentence is typical from scum, I already thought you were scum but I will just take that as a scum claim

everyone should be voting Mr. Ree

but to humor you, no I am not trying to set up a reason why I wouldn't be night killed. I make horrible decisions as PRs, I can't read people for shit until we get closer to end game not to mention I am more comfortable when I don't have to worry about my own survival.

I will just scum claim

everyone should be voting Mr. Ree. I can't read people for shit

I don't have to worry about my own survival.

Now it all makes sense...

[Jake from State Farm]

Indefinite amout of time = please replace out

[Jake from State Farm]

Meaning I'd go online and see through the latest posts >w>

post 75 is a "latest post"

anyway I was talking about points earned from guessing correctly. And had you been reading you would see that I do share my reads with people as I have made my 2 solid reads pretty clear.

[Jake from State Farm]

As sure as I can be

[Jake from State Farm]

So sure that I hope there is a vig ability I can buy if I actually have any points

[Jake from State Farm]

At this point isn't 2 enough? I mean I can try and guess the entire scum team but why?

If I'm wrong I re-read with a fresh perspective and try again

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok but I'm not changing my vote so...

[Jake from State Farm]

Safety said, This is my body double

[Jake from State Farm]

Look I'm not going to fight with you anymore. It's harmful to the game but to say I have done the same things as you is just completely false.

v/la for a few days to calm myself

I'd rather do this than replace out

[Jake from State Farm]

"If he's going to tunnel and whine all game, i truely have no use for him."

First of all I have not whined all game, or at all even, so I would appreciate it if you would not spread lies. I am perfectly allowed to tunnel on my scum reads as that is how you get scum lynched. Of course you are not going to have any use to you because I am a threat to you acheiving your scum win-condition

"Need I point out that nearly every point you have raised against me, you are guilty of performing yourself. Hypocrite."

This just isn't true so I really don't know why you are lying here.

"I dont often see town calling themselves obv town."

You obviously haven't played with me, players calling themselves obv town is null.

Can you point me to a game where Jake acted the same way as town?

how about this one - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27795 - I tunneled on Rob for day 1 and maybe day 2 (details are fuzzy because I was in nashville for a 1/2 marathon)
no?
how about this - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4507248 - this is where I death tunneled buldemar cause I was nurse and shared a QT with the doc and bulemar joked about being the doc

or this - http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/HZ5hmFzKbiH (go read post 10)

Jake from State Farm
^Only have one game's experience with him, but in said game, it took ages for him to get out of tunnel mode. Fairly decent player in my experience other than that flaw, since when he thinks things through logically, he's not too bad.

I could probably link you to more but tbh I don't think you will change your mind cause you OMGUS so hard.


so if you think you changing your read on me will somehow make me change my read on you, you are out of luck.

confirm vote: Mr. Ree

[Jake from State Farm]

I replace out not as whining, because it's the best solution to prevent pages of pages of back and forth. I'm bull headed and can fight with someone for 100 pages

I also say don't talk to me because I don't want to ruin the other players enjoyment of the game. We obviously aren't going to back down on each other so why force others to read our garbage

I don't think I ever did say I am going to tell on you, but if you violate a rule of the game I absolutely would. That isn't whining, that is keeping the integrity of the game. I have seen many mods ignore site rules and allow people to do things that are inappropriate.

am I being defensive? absolutely not. Do I defend myself when people make false accusations? absolutely. imo there is a difference

have I misrepped you? I don't feel like I have and this is the first time you have mentioned me misrepping you, if I had already done it I would think you would have called me out on it. But please spare everyone from a pbp and just point to the specific example of where you feel I misrepped you and then I will either admit I did and apologize or I will do what I do best and show you how you are wrong.

I think it's best for the GAME if we stop fighting with each other, but I want you lynched so I guess there is no way to avoid it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I already said earlier in a round about way I didn't think he was scum. I'm not going to give my reads on everyone cause I don't do list reads. They are a waste of time and only benefit scum.

I'm still waiting for Serra to stop ignoring my request also. Stalling like I said is only scum motivated.

[Jake from State Farm]

40 makes tne town. No way scum tne would want to build up expectations about her standard of play like that.

[Jake from State Farm]

I like both of them and if there isn't anything better, I'd be up for one of those type lynches. But there is a better option

[Jake from State Farm]

Guy named riggs said Yolo it's true

[Jake from State Farm]

btw, this is a HORRIBLE way to do a catch up post, don't do this again. I mean to leave out links is just lazy

but on the other hand at least thanks for giving me something to do, I am bored sitting here hitting refresh

104 makes no sense in the case about Ree; also weird self-meta

I had not made a case on Ree yet, and the weird self meta? no he is asking why I am trying for the clues and I am answering him. it's not weird if you actually read things in context
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148 needs explanation - why does Ree look worse than Safety

thanks for proving you aren't even reading because post 148 actually explains why I think Safety is town.
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174 - feels forced how Ree and Serra are "buddies" already in his mind

interesting you wait til post 174 to point this out when I originally called them buddies in post 144. I would have explained my reasoning but nobody bothered to ask me until later
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249 - wants people to "prove his read wrong"???

that's a complete misrep by you, cause if you would have ACTUALLY READ IN CONTEXT you would have seen the post right before post 249

I rarely adjust my reads when I am sure

If your accusations against Serra have all been proven false

, what justification do you have for being sure?

Please explain your current points against him since your others had no basis in reality.

my accusations against serra haven't been proven wrong

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251 absolutes...

He responds to my post where i explain he is scum and he accuses me of not explaining why he is scum, yet all you can say is absolutes...
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252 terrible...

not terrible at all, but thanks for your opinion
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264 overreaction

boldface lie here
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311 so eager to link to past games of his...why??? why...doesn't make sense.

so eager? how about Ree asked for links
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313 is another denial-filled post...why not try to work with everyone more

I mean any post where a person defends himself, could easily be called a denial post but that is certainly a crappy way to discredit a person. Why would you choose denial vs defending myself? Because that is exactly what that post was.

And not sure why you are asking me to work with everyone more, I have found 2 scum. Why aren't more people working with me by voting ree or Serra.

Nobody has made any effort to explain why I am wrong about the 2 of them. Nobody is offering a better alternative. I mean people are trying to make a Darthe lynch happen but I haven't seen anything remotely close to a good case on him. I mean sure he is lurking and his content is lacking but so is Aero, so is IV, so is Dry-fit, up until this recent post even your content has been lacking. I mean sure you have a bunch of posts but they are mostly guesses or fairly useless in the big scheme of things. so why should I work with people who can't even put in the effort? I certainlty won't work with someone who lacks basic reading comprehension

[Jake from State Farm]

Since I don't anything about con-mafia , I means nothing to me. It's non alignment related as far as I'm concerned.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not 100 sure but I feel good especially given their posts. The more I think about it though, I'd rather Serra over Ree but either one is acceptable.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why is Ree a hard target? I can't control who my gut thinks is scum btw

[Jake from State Farm]

gnr said rosebud

[Jake from State Farm]

I flip my wagons back on the scum on them using their own cases against them. I actually love having wagons on me because I can take aggressive stances towards my accusers. Since I'm town, its easier to see who believes in their case and who is simply trying to justify a read they don't believe in.

so couple of questions

so am I correct in my interpretation that you think anyone making a case against you is automatically scum?

if a player believes in their case what alignment does that make them?

[Jake from State Farm]

So am I still a scum read?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll respond to that when I get to a PC but if I get cop I wouldn't waste it on you. See mastin's guide to play as cop for reason why. I probably wouldn't vig you either cause at least you are active. If rather just shoot who had the least amount of posts (Lurkers beware)

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh they guarantee scum. It's just that sometimes those scum get a town role pm

[Jake from State Farm]

hey ree, I just typed up a bigger post but for the sake of time basically my issue with serra is he is refusing to explain why he was able to have 4 strong town reads by his 6th post and he also hasn't provided any sort of reasoning for his largest scum read and instead he has tried to paint him as being a bad player.

[Jake from State Farm]

so Serra in your next couple of post I want you to explain why you have town reads on myself, Mr. Ree, TIP, and TNE (sorry you can't use post 40) AND I want you to make a case for why Darthe is scum.

no excuses, no stalling.

[Jake from State Farm]

mini is most likely going to have 3 scum, maybe a 3rd party.

can we get some serious posts from you soon? All you are doing is guessing and nothing else

[Jake from State Farm]

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry I just don't understand how mafia works when you don't even remotely know the setup

Can someone explain otherwise im just going to keep being a burden to this game

Just like every game. You know there is scum, at least 1 but usually more. I really don't see what's the issue. You look for scum the same way

[Jake from State Farm]

not to mention the glaring fact that he wants me to give up my top scum read for a policy lynch...

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: serra

this be a better place for my vote

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh that reminds me. I want to see your spoiler for Serra to see what you said about him

[Jake from State Farm]

More stalling.

Here's the deal. Is he useless? Maybe.(though I could easily argue he's provided more info then you have) Does that mean he's scum ? No cause by my count we have at least 4 useless players. 5 if we count you.

Bottom line is Denying town information = scum. That's what you are guilty of.

The judge has spoken now people PLEASE sheep me and lynch Serra.

[Jake from State Farm]

Darth is a null read. Those with scum reads can't even explain why he's scum, yourself included yet you want me to explain why I don't think he's scum ? That's literally the most hilarious thing all game

[Jake from State Farm]

your current contrarian tunnelling.

oh I am the one tunneling?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well if you are assuming that , yes it would make no sense for me to do that but since I already said I'd rather lynch Serra over Ree idk why anyone would assume that?

[Jake from State Farm]

should have been *wanted* since that occurred in the past.

[Jake from State Farm]

So Serra. How can you accuse me of tunneling when I've changed from 1 person to another and you refuse to do the same ?

Hypocrite much?

Where's your case on darthe ?

Why is tip/tne/Ree town reads ?

Why are you stalling and denying town information ?

Why aren't you going with your own plan on guesses now?

So many ?s unanswered.

[Jake from State Farm]

so fucking obvious now that I think about it.

Guy named riggs says Mama, take this badge off of me. I can't use it anymore. It's getting dark, too dark to see. Feel's like I'm knocking on Heaven's doo

[Jake from State Farm]

Guess: Aeronaut said Rosebud

Why not stick to the plan ?

[Jake from State Farm]

^ I realize I always call him gnr and then I was like WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE. GNR sang that song.

am I right? who knows but damn if it doesn't make sense.

at this point through we need to get through the phrases and then we can all lynch serra. That is an awesome plan

[Jake from State Farm]

gnr said pirate if the carribbean rocks

[Jake from State Farm]

^ lurker scum

[Jake from State Farm]

This darthe lynch should not happen since the biggest pusher of it can't make a case and refuses to respond to requests for any information.

[Jake from State Farm]

Guess: SafetyDance said Pirates of the Caribbean Rocks

after a prod dodge this is all we get?

this isn't directed solely at you cause others are guilty of it too but it is it really that difficult to post a guess and then post some content at the same time?

like seriously anyone who just posts a guess and vanishes for another day or so can go suck a big fat C**k

[Jake from State Farm]

Guys I'll literally vote anyone you want me to tomorrow if we can lynch Serra today.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ the mod, IV should be getting replaced also?

I would also entertain lynches on Dryfit and InnocentVillager, I am not opposed to a darthe lynch cause he is fucking useless.

[Jake from State Farm]

Gah I am so confused
Can someone ask me questions so I can provide content?

why are you playing like shit?

stop fucking off or replace the fuck out.

[Jake from State Farm]

You ain't saving shit. If i wasn't already voting scum I'd push for your lynch. Iirc you like to troll as scum and oh look...

If you are town you are a distraction from finding scum. That's a fact jack

[Jake from State Farm]

I did say iirc but I'll dig through your games.

Ok you want questions? Top 2 scum reads and make a case as to why they are scum.

Go go go

[Jake from State Farm]

Guys I'll literally vote anyone you want me to tomorrow if we can lynch Serra today.

[Jake from State Farm]

Fsag....can you restate your case on serra?

p.edit. to JFSF

basically he isn't explaining his reads, he is going out of his way to avoid explaining his reads and he isn't scum hunting. He is pushing for a darthe lynch and can't even provide a singlular good reason for why. The only reason he does give, serra is equally guilty of doing himself. Not to mention he has the audacity to accuse me of tunneling when that is all he is doing himself.

there is absolutely no town motivation to deny town information and that is what he is doing by refusing to explain himself.

on top of that he is doinging absolutely NO SCUMHUNTING and now the icing on the cake is now he is lurking and people thought my hatred for lurking was bad before, having just lost 2 games due to both scum lurking I have a hatred for it more then I ever have.

NOW you know me, most people know me and how stubborn I can be.

ask yourself this. What will make this game less annoying, lynching serra day 1 and shutting me up OR not lynching him and have me tunnel on him every single day phase until either he is lynched or I am killed?

[Jake from State Farm]

No, Jake, Serra is not a good vote.

Bullshit

[Jake from State Farm]

Darthe said Mama, take this badge off of me. I can't use it anymore. It's getting dark, too dark to see. Feel's like I'm knocking on Heaven's door

[Jake from State Farm]

I am starting to turn on darthe but Serra needs rope

[Jake from State Farm]

Don't worry. You won't last til lylo. I'll lynch you way before lylo

[Jake from State Farm]

idk what you mean, your last guess before the VC is the only one that counts.

right now we are all picking a person and guessing the same phrase (well some of us are, some are doing their own thing)

also Vote Serra when you get a chance.

thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

crossed out phrases have already been gussed

[Jake from State Farm]

That's what I meant.

[Jake from State Farm]

1. we are guessing not voting, guesses don't have to be paired with a vote
2. this is why we have put this plan together of everyone pick a person and guess the phrase. This way nobody knows who got it right

example

Player A guesses that Bob said "I like Cake"
Player B guesses that Dave said "I like Cake"
Player C guesses that Steve said "I like Cake"
and so forth and so on

When the mod posts a new VC that shows that "I like Cake" was correct, we move to the next phrase and we have no idea who was correct.

if a person wants to do their own thing and focus on 1 phrase like you are saying, they are perfectly in their rights to do that but if they are town and they eventually get it right mafia will know they are right and have at least 1 point and they will have a target on their back.

points = power roles.

[Jake from State Farm]

right now we are guessing #6

The top of this page is a fresh vote count so choose anyone not already mentioned and guess #6

[Jake from State Farm]

GNR said Tell my wife...she's not allowed to marry again

I think you are being voted cause your play doesn't resemble someone who has a town role pm, particularly your lack of effort, lack of content, lack of anything pro-town.

my issue is that can easily be said of about 10 people

[Jake from State Farm]

3 days without a post yet logged in yesterday AND this morning

lynch Serra now

[Jake from State Farm]

But this isn't serra's town play. I played with him in clue and was in another game that I replaced out of but still followed. Useless/lurking isn't serra's M.O.

[Jake from State Farm]

Where the fuck is safety. He can confirm this isn't the same Serra as clue

[Jake from State Farm]

we got 2 days to guess all the phrases and lynch serra, let's go

[Jake from State Farm]

Mod is BT still in this game? It's been 6 days without a post

[Jake from State Farm]

you were not in clue? damn I thought you were. oh we were in monopoly

but now I really want to know why are you ignoring my major points and brushing those off to the side and thinking my case on serra is based on his lurking? the lurking isn't the main issues I have with him. And sorry but now lurking isn't null anymore. When you have a scumteam nominated for a scummy for effectively using lurkng as a strategy and I can now point to 3 more games where scum used the exact same strategy and won (you were in one of those, remember monopoly?).

Effective immediately lurking is no longer a null tell. If town is lurking then they will just be a casualty of war.

so Serra isn't guilty of lurking alone, serra is guilty of playing towards a scum win condition AND just happens to be lurking so kindly move your vote to serra or i will just assume you are his buddy.

on to your post

Serra backed himself and his reasons when he was here early on. You are ignoring that

links? cause BT asked him and he said he wanted to wait for more people to post, I asked him and he kept refusing me.

He should be pressured to explain himself and his reads but lynching him for it? Not acceptable.

so a player is questioned and instead of answering those questions he refuses to answer them and then proceeds to lurk and this is town motivated? the fuck it is. Lynching a person doing this is 100% acceptable.

Now, serra's activity hasn't been perfect but again that stuff is not a core reason to vote someone,

so refusing to explain reads, refusing to make a case on his top scum read, and lurking heavy when deadline is near is not a reason to vote someone?

He also gave us the plan which should count for something, on day one at least. I'm not saying that just because he suggested it he's town, it's not alignment indicative either but it should at least count in his favor,

by your own words if it isn't alignment indicative, you have to completely throw that out. Say i concede (though I won't) that lurking is null and we throw that out also. The fact remains that he is refusing to explain how he had strong town reads so early in the game and he is refusing to explain why he is so certain darthe is scum. Scum have to fabricate reasons and when they can't they refuse to give them. That is what is happening here. This isn't serra's town play from my experience.

Jake, you want to hate on lurkers, then gtfo serrra and vote this guy

No, because Serra is not guilty of lurking alone, Serra is guilty of WAY MORE WORSE THINGS then lurking.

Where the fuck is there any sort of attempt at scumhunting or playing the game of mafia. This isn't a newbie and IV is definitely not one.

Serra isn't doing this either and you are trying to start a new wagon 2 days til deadline when we have both darthe AND serra guilty of doing the above?

you don't start a new wagon 2 days before deadline unless you have something better than what you just posted.


Serra or Darth, pick one safety. Starting a new wagon 2 days til deadline isn't happening.

[Jake from State Farm]

post 147 is a useless post, why are you pointing to that post?

also why would I vote IV when serra is guilty of MORE THEN JUST LURKING. Serra is guilty of playing towards a scum win condition, not a town one. The only thing anyone can point to is she gave us the guessing idea ok fine yay for serra. But the guessing idea doesn't help us find scum.

What has serra done to help us find scum? I will tell you. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING!

Here is a summary of Serra's iso

oh these guys are town
I won't say why they are town
darthe is scum cause he is useless and cause I say so

That's it. that is pro-town play? That is scum hunting? Nope.jpg

You are now the second person to try and get me to leave a scum read for a policy lynch (yes your push on IV is a policy lynch).

Normally if we had nothing better to go on I'd have no issues joining a policy lynch but when we have caught scum, I just can't do it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, while still more likely town than not, is useless as long as he's tunnelling on town

well I guess it's good for everyone I am tunneling on scum then?

i do find it very interesting you have tried hard to get me to stop tunneling (focusing on 2 players isn't tunneling btw) but it's perfectly acceptable for you to tunnel...

[Jake from State Farm]

Nice deflection

Damn if you are town that's yet another motherfucker I got to blacklist. Why so many people playing against their win condition on this site?

[Jake from State Farm]

No I don't need to chill thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not tunnelling, I'm lurking, remember? <3

you are tunneling
lurking
stalling
denying town information
not playing like someone who is trying to find scum

[Jake from State Farm]

In fact you are doing all of those too bar lurking.

You're tunnelling and myopic focus on Serra is helping stall the game which is denying us information and a lynch. Tunnelling on one person is not someone who is trying to find scum but someone who's already made his mind up on who his target is (tunnelling).

ok the bolded is an outright lie

secondly if you were reading the game you would know that I was already suspicious of Ree before I was suspicious of serra, my focus changed to serra when his actions proved to me he was scum so technically I am not tunneling on anyone. The fact that I changed focus off Ree, who I was tunneling on since I had less against him as it was mainly gut and went to Serra who is less gut and more based on his actions in the game proves I am not tunneling.

[Jake from State Farm]

I saw your post I'm not ignoring it but I'm not tunneling, I'm not stalling, I'm not denying anyone info, and I'm 100% playing towards a town win condition.

So tell me, are you serra's buddy ? Cause I don't see why you as town would lie like you just did.

Nobody has provided reasons for darthe that are better then my reasons
You have not provided better reasons for IV.

Let's say for argument sake all 3 are guilty of the same thing. With deadline tomorrow IV is out of the picture cause no time. That leaves Darthe and Serra and I'm more suspicious if Serra then darthe because he has outright refused to answer me and I don't see town doing that. Not to mention we now have a blatant attempt by someone to not only draw heat off Serra by trying to start a new wagon but this person is trying to discredit serra's biggest attacker.

So yeah my vote isn't changing. Safety for possible buddy

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting that Mr.ree got serra's word correctly.

[Jake from State Farm]

Can someone break down the reasons why they think Serra's wagon is better than the Darthe wagon?

Also, what a weird game to go see last night.

how about the fact that as deadline is near we have a player (safety) who in a last ditch effort to save serra has now started tossing a new person (IV) into the equation and at the same time attempting to discredit the person pushing serra (me)?

There is no town motivation to all of a sudden discredit by falsely accusing me of things that anyone reading the thread can plainly see I am not doing.

how about the main proponent to a darthe lynch just happens to be serra and he has out right refused to explain why he is his biggest scum read other then saying that he is being useless which applies to serra as well.

Us darthe useless and kind of scummy? absolutely but Serra has refused to explain his reads and since scum have to fake reads, refusal to explain them hints that his reads aren't genuine.

that's my opinion anyway.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod since the site went down yesterday and today is a weekend can we get a 24 hour extension?

[Jake from State Farm]

the site went down today and yesterday, if the mod does not grant an extension that would be bad and the mod should feel bad

[Jake from State Farm]

GUess aeronaut said Tell my wife she's not allowed to marry again

[Jake from State Farm]

.and that's one person is someone who's had a case for him since 4 days into a 21-day game-day and has since done nothing but tunnel and try to beat down anyone who's had contrary opinion against it since.

This is a bold face lie cause I cast my super serious vote on Serra on October 16th and this game started on the 6th. That is 10 days into the game and before that i was tunneling on mr. Ree NOT Serra.


I have also not tried to beat down anyone who has a contrary opinion because you don't see me trying to beat down BT, Dryfit, Irish Pope, Havingfitz, Innocent villager, or even yourself until recently when you falsely accused me of things that I never did.


Also if case you haven't noticed Serra is at L-1 and LOGGED IN TODAY and has still provided no content at all. He has been denying town information all game and if he is town he should at least be in here gioving his final reads and at the very least answer the questions from me that he has refused to answer all game.

You talk about people voting serra not giving good reasons, but the people voting Darth aren't really giving good reasons either and your case on IV could basically be copy and pasted as a case against Serra.

so go cry in a corner little boy, your partner is getting lynched today and hopefully town lynches you tomorrow as i will probably be dead tonight.

[Jake from State Farm]

you are on record for calling 4 or 5 people town or probably town, and haven't provided any reason why especially when some of these people are not obvious town in the slightest, specifically ree, Tip, and tne so asking you to explain those town reads and you complying is what we are doing here. I don't give a rats ass who hasn't posted, you need to justify how you have strong reads based on so little.

I'm pushing you because I am fairly certain you and ree are scum buddies so I am not going to let up because you have some mafia theoryesque objection.

now explain your town reads.

That's on the Thursday. Game started on the Monday.

So you know where you can shove your bold face lie.

ok what is your definition of tunneling? Cause sure I was suspicious of Serra 4 days in and shortly after that post I vote serra BUT the very next day I unvote, Later I change my vote to Aeronaut, and then even later that day i vote Mr. Ree and keep my vote/pressure on him for 6 days.

MEANWHILE

Serra has been tunneling Darth since the 3rd day of the game.

Why does that not bother you? It bothers you that I was tunneling Serra since day 4 (which has been proven wrong) yet you have no issues with Serra tunneling since day 3?

The hypocrisy makes no sense.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm leaving work so can't do this ATM.

Can someone find me the first time safety mentions having issues with my case or push on Serra.

Thanks.

[Jake from State Farm]

Found it myself.

Safety - I made my case on Serra on the 16th or so. Why did you wait 4 days before deadline to finally speak out? Why did you wait 1 day before to argue my points and offer a counter lynch?

For someone who opposes this lynch so much, you certainly waited until the worst possible moment to speak up

[Jake from State Farm]

Holy fuck

Safety is town as shit

ITT: IV proves he is delusional as fuck

[Jake from State Farm]

if he is town I will forever be wondering why he waited until 1 day before deadline to finally speak out about how "bad" my case supposedly was despite posting numerous after I originally stated my case and why he waited 3 days before deadline to even speak out against serra's lynch. He says I have been pushing serra since the 4th day, where was he the remainder of those days?

keeping your moth shut until deadline isn't town motivated at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

I also want to know why he has an issue with me "supposedly" tunneling serra since the 4th day and I am bad because of it (despite making an actual case), yet serra has been tunneling darth since day 3 (without even attempting to make a case) and that's perfectly acceptable?

no that isn't town motivation either.

[Jake from State Farm]

so serra has been logging in all day yesterday. Logged in early yesterday morning, logged in yesterday afternoon, and logged in again this morning shortly after midnight. Also logged in over the weekend. Not a single post.

we need a hammer

[Jake from State Farm]

How the fuck do you think your lying

I haven't lied once the entire game.

Friday morning of a Sunday night lynch. That's 2.5 days, not 1. It's even more now that it's been extended

ok my mistake, you waited 2 days not 1. I apologize.

If you can't grasp any reason out of that then please, do us all a favor and replace out. Mafia is not a game for you.

This is completely unnecessary. I would curse at you right now but why come down to your level.

Why must you lie Jake?

cmon man, a simple mistake =/= a lie.

Just showing people evidence of Jake trying to troll.

Not trolling at all. Why must you constantly try to insult/discredit me instead of acting like a civil human being?

Proof that he's not interested in scumhunting or an actual case,

It doesn't actually prove anything actually. I read your entire case and in my opinion it wasn't better than mine. Maybe if you would not have tried to discredit/insult me I would have listened to you. You know that expression you catch more bees with honey? yeah you weren't using honey.

and lol@ asking the mod to replace me. I have not done anything to warrant replacement and I am probably one of the few who did any actual scumhunting this day phase.

Serra is gonna flip scum here and you are going to just look really bad. Please do not insult me ever again. Please do not call me a liar unless you can actually PROVE it, which you can't.

If you have a problem with me then YOU should replace out. If you are too busy to play the game properly then YOU should replace out. Don't blame me because you had IRl issues and you waited until it was too late to save Serra.

Have a nice day sir.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also...very much agree with the apathy level in this game. If lurking was a scum tell 75% of the players would be suspect (like they are).

Not sure when lurking stopped being a scumtell but we need to reverse the clock. The amount of lurking by town on this site is astronomical and it really allows scum to win more often then not

[Jake from State Farm]

@safety - day 2 if we both alive. I'm asking you to be more active and to take your kuriboesq posts down a notch. I play this game to have fun and you are ruining it for me. If you can't chill out with your bs attitude please replace out. I haven't been nearly as bad as you but I'm going to chill out also.

I don't want any excuses about your activity day 2. No waiting til near deadline to speak up.

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

Man, I won two points and I didn't even get a pr.

I was vt too.

yeah so did I. I think it's kind of BS that 2 points wasn't enough to get anything. I mean the odds of 1 person getting 3 right has to be pretty hard.

[Jake from State Farm]

serrapaladin - Serial Killer has been lynched Day 1

Hey Safety

[Jake from State Farm]

I also think everyone was a VT except scum.

if the scum team would annouce themselves that would be nice

gg everyone

[Jake from State Farm]

who were your buddies?

[Jake from State Farm]

I think I have had enough guessing this game. I will say if Safety is town he is <bites tongue>

[Jake from State Farm]

It's more for the fact that you tried to get me replaced and insulted my play. So fuck off. Also you insulted me even more by calling me kuribo jr or whatever you said. You are a despicable person and it was completely uncalled for, especially when I was right. How you could possibly defend somebody who was so obviously scum and OMG he was actually scum is unfathomable. You obviously had carried a grudge coming into this game and essentially said so in one of your earlier posts.

You owe me an apology and if you don't I seriously hope you diaf

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah this is a game and I don't deserve to be insulted in the game. I did nothing but catch scum and all he did was make false accusations, lurk a derp, and personally insult me. He's a miserable human being who now in 2 different games has picked a fight with me. So yeah there's nothing wrong with me thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

you obviously are not reading the same game if you thought I was attacking serra for lurking...

[Jake from State Farm]

and you DID come in to this game with a grudge and you were fully prepared to pick a fight with me, you essentially say so yourself after I called you town. The fact that you can accuse me of having a grudge against you when I called you town early day 1 is also laughable. If I had a grudge I would have been on you from the get go.

Also i do listen to people if they make a compelling argument, nobody including yourself made a more compelling argument. Your counter to my wagon was a townie so thank god I didn't listen to you.

Accept that you were wrong, I was right, and your attacks on me were biased due to our previous interactions in monopoly (considering you keep bring it up, this is obviously true).

If you can't be man enough to admit your mistakes, then I really have nothing else to say to you.