You fucking ninja'd my First. Die.
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Also,Iwas going to random vote for Malakittens.
Also, you took up the last slot on the "Display posts by user" drop-down menu, which is usually reserved for me. That one isn't really your fault but it's sort of a pet peeve of mine.
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And yet you're voting Nacho~In post 43, pirate mollie wrote:well that is kind of what I think too. it seems like he would be more reactive
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oh look some1 I have never played before thinks I am scum. I am shocked I tell you simply shocked
Oh, why do I get the feelingyou'regoing to be my favourite little player in this fun little game?
Not to worry, I'm going to be muchIn post 49, MattP wrote:Pirate mollie, I was annoyed with the way you treated me in mykos game. However I'm going to be much more calm and rational this game than I've been before. I think taking a break from games was good.lesscalm and rational than I was before I tookmybreak.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 66, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why not vote him if he's starting to freak you out?In post 61, pirate mollie wrote:wis you are starting to freak me out
Because that would give associative teeeells.
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Heh.In post 76, ArcAngel9 wrote:And where the hell is whiskers? the moment we started asking questions.. He vanishes.. Something cooking.
Also, didn't anybody else realize? Everybody saying that Nachomamma got really defensive: did you forget thatjust before that, he was saying that a townie getting voted would get really defensive? I don't think he's suspicious for being "defensive" about being voted-- that's a playstyle thing, everypony is different-- no, I think he's suspicious for being defensive because I believe he's intentionally doing it, playing to a sort of idealized town meta.
To recap:
"It's town to be a horse"
*bees a horse*
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btw "everybody" looks like it's just MAlakittens and pirate mollie, I think. Did a quick scan.In post 90, Whiskers wrote:Everybody saying that Nachomamma got really defensive:
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To rephrase,
This is when I first thought Nacho was going to "freak out" to look town.In post 35, Nachomamma8 wrote:NO NO NO NO NO
And then everybody (again, "everybody" is like, two people) went, "WHOA, HE SURE IS DEFENSIVE!" And I was like, "9___9 jeez you guys didn't anybody read this post (32)?"In post 32, Nachomamma8 wrote:if he was town he'd be panicking, calling me scum with whiskers, screaming his pretty little head offIntegrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Ok.In post 101, Wisdom wrote:Sorry but this makes no sense, and the only feeling I get from your posts is that you're trying to be manipulative.
99 was a response to Wisdom.In post 106, shos wrote:@whiskers please explain this post
that really makes no sense. as repeated in 101.
100 was the explanation for that, since I realized it might raise some questions.
Wisdom is playing townily.In post 111, Wisdom wrote:Quote please, yes.
Which is why I specifically didn't answer it when you asked Mala... although, I guess I ended up doing it anyway, which makes me wonder why Nacho is asking this in the first place...In post 114, Wisdom wrote:I'd rather Mala answer that before Whiskers does.
The daykill bit is a little unusual for me, usually when I do stuff like that, I get lynched. So I don't do it anymore. But I've got kind of a fetish for daykills-- expect to see me asking about them later in the game.In post 116, Mirari wrote:This post in particular of Whiskers' 3 early game posts looks contrived. His antics do not seem genuine as expressions of his personality. My impression of those 3 posts was Whiskers trying to talk about things for the sake of talking.
I should point out that I don't really play my scum game different from my town game. At all (except maybe not daykilling people wildly). That's the only reason I'm good as either.In post 116, Mirari wrote: I don't think Whiskers as scum would try to push a theory this early in the game.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 103, Desperado wrote:In post 32, Nachomamma8 wrote:if he was town he'd be panicking, calling me scum with whiskers, screaming his pretty little head off[@Whiskers]
So your entire case hinges on a comment that Nacho made that was specifically referring to Wisdom?
Nacho wasn't saying "all town freaks out and gets defensive," he was saying that Wis should have been freaking out.[/quote]
Why do you think this is a Wisdom-specific meta that Nacho is using? Have you played with Wisdom before? Do you agree that, him as town, would go all muppet-armed over being Random-Vote-Wagonned early Day 1? Do you agree with Nacho's meta of him?
Or if not, what makes you think that Nachomamma is referring only to Wisdom with this comment? What makes you think that it was a comment about Wisdom, not a comment about town-play?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Hey, thanks for answering a question I addressed to someone else.In post 121, pirate mollie wrote:I understood that it was a relative tell that he was talking about.
what is funny is I don't really think that nacho was being defensive, I was mostly trolling him and pushing his buttons and while I get why arc and mebbe even mala followed my push cos they he and I are pretty good friends and sometimes nacho can be a blank slate that is best observed through other people's eyes when all you see is an empty canvas but i find your push to be weird.
I don't think he was being defensive either. My quote that made me think he was trying to play to that "relative tell" was "NO NO NO NO NO."
That's not a real defence. It's not real defensiveness. But is it "screaming his little head off"?
So, misrepping, too.
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Huh.In post 127, Grimgroove wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
I also think one of mollie/Arcangel is scum, but not both.
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Wrong again! You answeredIn post 129, helium-3 wrote:
your welcome since I answered after the person who you addressed to answered!In post 126, Whiskers wrote:Hey, thanks for answering a question I addressed to someone else.immediatelyafter I asked it, in the very next post, in fact. As in, my question was 120, and your answer was 121.
So are you lying, or just stupid?
wow cool. try reading.okay. so you think he was being defensive yet faking defensiveness.
tbh i am not even surprised.tbh I am not even sure what we are talking about even more
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Yeah, butIn post 139, Wisdom wrote:Because you're scumwhy? Isn't wiki-crawling in a theme game something that's really, really town to do?
Or I guess, thinking about it, it's really, really not-telling. But it seems like informative, useful, so therefore pro-town.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Oh, ok.In post 140, Desperado wrote:
Because he was taking to Wisdom, yes, yes, yesIn post 120, Whiskers wrote:Why do you think this is a Wisdom-specific meta that Nacho is using? Have you played with Wisdom before? Do you agree that, him as town, would go all muppet-armed over being Random-Vote-Wagonned early Day 1? Do you agree with Nacho's meta of him?
None of this is even considering the laughable suggestion that Nacho would, as scum, telegraph his own future towntells in thread. That is pants on head retarded.
I haven't played with Wisdom (ok, I probably HAVE. But I don't remember it.) so I don't know if it's in his meta to become stupid when getting wagonned.
In fact, That's kind of dumb. Anybody who isn't a brand-spanking-new player, knows not to flail wildly when getting Day 1 wagonned. Almost always, they go away on their own. And never-ever does flailing help the Day 1 random-vote speed-wagon tonotgo through.
So if that's what Nacho's talking about, then he's fucking stupid.
And you're fucking stupid for, er, agreeing with... well, thenotionof it, whether that's what he meant or not.
All of that aside.
Yes, of course he would say what is townbeforehe did it. Doing a thing and then announcing that it was townafterwardswould look really scummy. It's the same thing, basically, just the process ends up making you look better or worse.
And, why not? Why wouldn't he say, "This makesa playerWisdomtown", and then turn around and do it himself? If people bought the premise that it makessomeonetown, then how could it possibly hurt him to do it?
Better yet, what he did, he did in a joking manner. Again, "NO NO NO NO NO" is not real flailing, more like pretending to flail. It's Day 1. It's not out of place. But again, he said, "This is a town thing to do," and then hedidit, however silly it was.
Or, I could grab Malakittens' reasons for having him beactuallydefensive. If he's actually getting oddly defensive about something, then it's really interesting, because it means he's probably not doing it intentionally, he's doing it honestly. Which, I suppose, would make him towntelling. Accidentally. So probably town.
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Why not? Is this one magical thing what makes you unique, your defining characteristic in an otherwise entirely standard, white-rice, mafia player?In post 166, Wisdom wrote:It's not a tell that would apply to nacho or others,
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Aw Maaaaaan! There's like, four more pages!
I... I suppose? Or,In post 170, Mirari wrote:Whiskers isn't your point about nacho more concerned with nacho than wisdom? If nacho is scum wouldn't it be more likely that wisdom is town?
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Huh, nevermind about my other read then...
Here's the difference: RD is good, Whiskers is just hateful.In post 188, Malakittens wrote:As for whiskers I haven't had time to check and I always mix him up with rd.
Also it took me like, 5 minute to figure out who the hell "Penny" was.
Yeah, really.
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I'll sheep this.
Thoughts:
I don't think Mala is scum.
I don't think penguin is scum, but most of all, penguin is being more useful than most of you. I'd policy not-lynch her.
I don't want to vote pirate molliebecause I hate herand voting out of emotion gets me lynched.
Arc is another possible vote.
Shos posting the roman guy and a big x is meaning that he is not roman, but instead an early scot, and so we should all vote him for being an anachronism.
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Also, the buddying here.In post 276, Wisdom wrote:Nah, that was a stupid thing for penguin to say. Mirari's post was null.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Whoa, whoa! No, no, no. I'm voting Wisdom because he posted before me while I was writing my "First!" post. I'm leaning town on him.In post 308, Mirari wrote:Whiskers is voting Wisdom because he believes(?) him to be scum while calling out Nacho for faking defensiveness. I wanted to see Whiskers opinion on that matter. My statement also conveyed my own thoughts, from the early game I thought Wisdom was town and Nacho was scum. My townread of Wisdom has been solidified over the most recent pages. I am reconsidering Nacho.
Unvote, if that helps.
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He's doing a catchup that looks good. And I know, Information over analysis, and I also know, that a catchup is really easy to make look good. But I'm not really reading anything into it more than gut right now.
Just seems to me that, Town outnumber scum (although, now that I think about it, we don't know that. But still, it's assumed), so I'm doing a more of an "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Or maybe, "Neutral until suggested otherwise." You say shos is scum, I'm not really sure why.
Those three players, in fact, look just fine to me-- null, meaning "Don't lynch them." Mirai is my least-favourite of the group, but if I recall correctly, that can be blamed on OMGUS.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Erp-- you probably don't like me much here then either, do you?In post 316, MattP wrote:Oh, well I think he sounds like scum. That's probably where we disagree. It's his melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments more so than the quantity of his text during his catchup.-
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I didn't mean it like that-- I mean that you must think I'm scum, since your description of shos's play-- what you claim makes him scummy-- pretty much exactly describes my.... ME.
Also... Is this some new thing where every player has individual tells and nothing else matters? Like, when there's a new player, you all dance around shrugging violently, unable to read them at all? I'm not sure I like that-- I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, that shos is scummy for the "melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments," if none of it also makes ME scummy.
I won't be able to take anything any one of you says seriously, in fact.
What I'm seeing, with the Nacho-Wisdom bit from before, and now with the MattP-shos bit:Player 1 wrote:Whoa! Malakittens is totally [ALIGNMENT] because she's a cat!Whiskers wrote:Oh man, you must thinkI'm[ALIGNMENT] too, then, since I'm also a cat.Player 1 wrote:Oh, by no means. It's only applicable when Malakittens does it.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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That's stupid.In post 322, Wisdom wrote:@whiskers
It's called meta, and for many of us it's aprimary scumhunting tool.You'll have to deal with it.
That'ssostupid.
If it worked, it would take any fun in the game, out of the game.
Also, it's not consistent or reliable.
Also, it'sstupidto rely on as yourPRIMARY SCUMHUNTING TOOL ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Does that make me a hipster?In post 357, pirate mollie wrote:VOTE: whiskers
sorry wis I think she is faking it. it is a new fad for scum to fake meltdowm over nothing and say they hate you for it.
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In post 371, Wisdom wrote:
SeriouslyIn post 370, shos wrote:248 is perfect. PER-FUCKING-FECT. works perfectly with my mala scumread.
Look at stuff like this
This is not only not "perfect", this is only a stupid thing I came up with the time and thought it will be funny. BUT OF COURSE, it goes with your scumread, let's mention it and say how awesome it is.
How the fuck anyone can think shos is town is beyond me.
See, I was about to do this, because, yeah, filler.
But then,
I read this.In post 386, shos wrote:my read on matt - it's not stupid it all. this is not a decline of activity, this is not-existing-of-it. Matt has posted like, what, 7 posts the entire game? and take a look at their content; do you remember ANYTHING that he said apart from 'shos is scum'? no. you know why? because he NEVER SAID ANYTHING APART FROM THAT. I did not mention scummatt being inactive, no, but I did mention that matttown is superfuckingamazingly active, didn't I? and last time I checked I want to lynch people who are not town. I'm not voting him, no, because that's only meta and I'm not going to push a lurker policy lynch(did that for the first time this month lol) and PA and mala are more likely scum; but I can't ignore his inactivity, especially when he DOES jump and post once in a while, showing that he IS reading the topic and is INTENTIONALLY lurking.
And then I looked at MattP's ISO.
And while I'm sure it'll come back to bite me in the arse, when shos eventually flips scum, I'm not comfortable lynching him right now. Matt's posts are all one line, with maybe one sparse handfull of exceptions.
Vote: MattP
It means one of a few things: MattP is scum, MattP is a power role, MattP is nightkill-baiting. I don't really care which though, because active lurking is still lurking, and lurking is inherently pro-scum (& therefore anti-town).
And yes, I know, his activity has picked up a little bit while he and Wisdom 69'd. But what has been added to the collective knowledge pool? Nothing. They're discussing which one of them is misunderstanding the issue.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Shos is actually right when he says MattP only had like, seven posts. Here they are now:
Spoiler: Information
Btw, I never fucking voted for PMollie. Not paying enough attention, I guess.In post 359, MattP wrote:I have 7 definite town as of this point, myself included. Whiskers is in that pile. Pirate Mollie is in that pile. They shouldn't be voting each other
Wisdom is in that pile. Malakittens is in that pile. They shouldn't be voting each other. Any questions?
Spoiler: MattP joins the game
And the last three are one right after another, three consecutive posts. One of them was an EBWOP.
His next post is this:In post 392, MattP wrote:
That's fine, the game would have been less fun if he made such a stupid scumslip anyway. [:In post 384, Wisdom wrote:
^In post 324, Grimgroove wrote:That was earlier when I didn't like his first catch-up, especially him asking me to explain something I already had explained, which gave me the impression he was pretending to follow. I didn't realize he was slowly going through the topic from the beginning and hadn't read myexplanation yet. Now I've got a slight townread on him, liked his latest catch-ups and reads.
Here, this is the answer to my "You said you're not townreading shos. Are you scumreading him?"
Pedit: Shos, I can't be bothered with explaining all of my reads. I'm too busy reading your huge catchup walls and figuring out how to make my "eighth" post of the game. Oh, there, I did it!
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In post 403, Wisdom wrote:@whiskers
No, it means Matt wants to post one-liners, and it's perfectly fine. That's not what active lurking is. He has provided tons of content and he still does.
Yes, but no.In post 416, Wisdom wrote:tbh I don't like Whiskers right now, but I think he's more VI than scum.
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Activity means nothing. Amount of posts means nothing. What matters is quality. And Matt's posts have it. Period.
Wow. Much content. So quality.In post 312, MattP wrote:
Well, because you're mafiaIn post 300, shos wrote:@Matt, why are you voting me?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Says the guy who told me to wait for shos to post his scum role PM.In post 438, MattP wrote:(or maybe you don't have daytalk! Gotta avoid "scumslipping" about mechanic knowledge or Whiskers may Mr. Literal me)
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Dear Mirari,In post 444, Mirari wrote: I said your content posts were filler.
Please read MattP.
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Oh, I was just kind of taking up shos' cause fromIn post 451, MattP wrote:
Yes, I wasn't being literal with either point. You're very literal. We continue in this limbo. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.In post 448, Whiskers wrote:
Says the guy who told me to wait for shos to post his scum role PM.In post 438, MattP wrote:(or maybe you don't have daytalk! Gotta avoid "scumslipping" about mechanic knowledge or Whiskers may Mr. Literal me)
Or, wait, was that a joke? Sorry. Figured it must be another "reaction test".Spoiler: here
Here, let me choose another minuscule, inconsequential, snarky post of yours.In post 451, MattP wrote: Ty for choosing one miniscule, inconsequential, snarky post of mine to make a point.
AnotherIn post 69, MattP wrote:Aw man pirate you couldn't have waited just a little longer?
Spoiler:
In fact... most of your "useful" posts-- with some quality of content, you know-- are in discussions with Wisdom. In which one of your says something, and the other one can't understand it, you both make a few more posts and it amounts to nothing.
Or, you know, "nothing" to everybody except for you two, 'cause you guys are just getting loads andloadsof reads and shit, out of inconsequential chit-chat made between the two of you.
So we have the Townleader scum, the active lurking scum (buddied), we just need to suss out the third, bussed scum, and we'll have a whole prospective scum-team.
Interestingly enough, I think the fact that Wisdom can't understand and has to dip his fingers into every post MattP makes, makes Wisdom more likely scum, than Matt-- but also that WisScum means MatScum is more likely. Like, MatScum is 25% and WisScum is 50%, but if Wisdom flips scum. MatScum 50%.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Also, seriously? In a game based 100% on communication, you're going to try your very hardest to obfuscate the actual meaning of things? Fuck you, mate.In post 451, MattP wrote:Yes, I wasn't being literal with either point. You're very literal. We continue in this limbo. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 453, Whiskers wrote:
Also, seriously? In a game based 100% on communication, you're going to try your very hardest to obfuscate the actual meaning of things? Fuck you, mate.In post 451, MattP wrote:Yes, I wasn't being literal with either point. You're very literal. We continue in this limbo. I don't see the point you're trying to make here."Oh, I wasn't being literal when I said you were too literal. What I actually meant was that shos is scum. But not literally. By that I meant he is mafia. But not literally. By that I meant is that his role in this game is of theMafiafaction. But not literally."
I-- what?
"What I actually meant is that, by using a complicated series of deeply meaningful exchanges with fellow player Wisdom (but not literally, he probably has a different name IRL), I believe I have found evidence to suggest that shos is, not literally, scum."
But, but, where have you had any meaningful exchanges with Wisdom? Where is the evidence you're using?!
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Whoa, whoa, I thought we could only use meta, man. Only meta tells are effective in scumhunting. It is theIn post 466, Wisdom wrote:
And he is now even using misreps to make conclusions. This is done by scum, every time.In post 452, Whiskers wrote:Wisdom can't understand and has to dip his fingers into every post MattP makes,major scumhunting tool!Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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In post 466, Wisdom wrote:Where the fuck did I not understand something Matt said, Whiskers?Nearlyevery post Matt makes, you make a corresponding post asking him something about it-- and then go off to have a nice fun conversation in which nothing happens and no conclusions are reached.
Spoiler: Figure 1
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Then nearly every post until 406 is directly addressing you, or in reply to you, not counting the reads he posted twice.
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Then there's another mini conversation about how Grimgroove is town or something where you were being townies, you know, the uninformed majority, and then all of a sudden one of you (in that case, MattP) taps the other on the shoulder and says, "Oh, by the way, only other player of my alignment, I have arrived at the conclusion that this and this."
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watIn post 486, Desperado wrote:hahahahaha what
If you don't think I'm scumhunting the how about you shut the fuck up and leave me alone then?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Incorrect. It was responding to my post where I said that each player has his tells and stuff. That was the tail end of a conversation I was having with Matt.In post 478, Wisdom wrote:Figure 3 - This is completely incorrect, I was responding to your post where you said that each player has his tells and stuff. Nothing to do with your discussion with Matt.
You're right, it was not addressed at Mirari-- which was my whole point. How I'm seeing it-- MattP and Mirari were talking, MattP brings up his reads and what the conversation has changed for him, you jump in and go, "Uh, uh, uh! It would make more sense ifIn post 478, Wisdom wrote:Figure 4 - I was responding to 430, which was not addressed at Mirari, but was a general comment about what the scumteam is.this!"
What I don't like is that you and Matt are working together like you both know the other one is a townie, which you couldn't. I don't like it because town never does this. You're playing like a hydra.In post 478, Wisdom wrote:What you don't like is that me and Matt know each other are town and are working together, and you try to call that buddying or whatever. Too bad.
It was a generalization, perhaps a bad one. Still, for an example, see Figure 1.In post 480, Wisdom wrote:You still didn't explain where I didn't understand something Matt said.
Oh riiiight. It was all a teeeest.In post 478, Wisdom wrote:Figure 1 - I pretended I didn't understand he was reaction testing me to see his reaction. It was genuine, he immediately revealed it was a test and was confused at my reaction. Conclusion reached? He is town.
That's the other thing, I've never seen a town game so calculated. Everything works out exactly like you plan, doesn't it? Sure, I've seen peopleclaimthat all of their bullshit was "a reaction test". I guess it looks the worst when it doesn't work you. But yours has worked out. Which is odd.
So let me back up a minute and ask, Why are you and MattP reading each other perfectly this game? Not only do you bothknowthe other one is town, but you both know when something the other has done is a reaction test.
I'll get to it, clearly I'm busy.In post 480, Wisdom wrote:And you still have not explained how penguin has been any useful. Don't think I'll drop it.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Sorry to shoot you down, mate, but I don't think they are scum together. I think theyIn post 498, Desperado wrote:Like Whiskers' ISO makes it pretty clear he thinks Wis and Matt are scum together. How are you missing that??couldbe scum together, and something if definitely fucking up. But I don't think I've ever really pushed any of my scum reads.
Hmm. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I actuallyhaveany scum reads. I just have people who I shout a lot at. I'm a digger, so maybe someone will get something useful out of my posts. But I'd work best with concrete information; cop reports, flips.
If I had a vig-kill, my shot would be Miss Mollie, not because I think she's scum, but because every time she posts, I want to wring necks.
Also, kind of had Desperado in my "scum reads" for being worse than Matt-- short posts, not very many of them to begin with-- but I'm not sure I can vote him at this point, what with him being the Champion of Mt. Whiskers at the moment. ((Malakittens should see this paragraph and think I'm scum, it was in my meta to scumread people who townread me.))
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EBWoP, this was supposed to be attached to the last one.
Why... nacho is scum?In post 489, pirate mollie wrote:
the pissiness looks fake and it looks like she is trying to work at coming up with a reason as to why nacho is scum and I am not town scum reading nacho but if whiskers flips scum nacho is for sure town but to me it is more about the fake meltdownsIn post 487, Desperado wrote:Why is Whiskers scum?
I called nacho scum once?
I don't remember that.
Let me go ISO myself.
Nope. You're still stupid.See below.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Oh. Ok.In post 518, MattP wrote:I'm reading Wisdom well. I know he's town. In fact, he's my strongest townread. He's reading me well. That's great. That's going to cause huge overlapping of reads and in-thread mason-like discussion. It happens, and it's not exclusive or selfish or scummy, having someone you can trust is very powerful.
Whoa, what?!In post 518, MattP wrote:Us working together like this, even if you think we're gaining nothing from it, is astronomically beneficial. We will never lynch each other and we will defend the other hardcore, and that will prevent a mislynch we are both positive of.
But-- wait, I thought you thought I was town?In post 518, MattP wrote:Anyone being annoying and bullying us for that is more likely scum trying to damage a strong town-town alliance than paranoid town trying to break apart supposed buddying.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Btw, what is WKing? I've been around for a while, but I've never heard this one, and it seems like only you are using it. This isn't an accusation or anything, I'm just not sure what it means.In post 505, Wisdom wrote:From experience, when I am sure about someone being scum and someone disagrees, the one I thought is scum is actually town, and the one who disagreed is scum WKing the town.
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Idk, RVS bullshit. And if itIn post 528, Wisdom wrote:
What was "I will hammer Wisdom" if not an attempt to make me react and see what I will do?In post 526, Whiskers wrote:So let me back up a minute and ask, Why are you and MattP reading each other perfectly this game? Not only do you both know the other one is town, but you both know when something the other has done is a reaction test.wasa reaction test-- and you recognized it as one-- I'm pretty sure the townie thing to do would be to ignore it, rather than carefully crafting your reaction to paint you in a townie light. But that's nothing I'd call you scum for. Especially considering the way it fizzled out without going anywhere...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0U0AlLVqpkIn post 532, Nachomamma8 wrote:I officially also have no idea who you suspect anymore.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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No, I actually kind of... Well, no, I'm not trying to work with you. But I'm no longer trying to work against you. TBH, I read you as more-town than Wisdom (but I'm not accounting for the fact that, the more posts you have, the more scum you'll seem).In post 544, MattP wrote:Whiskers, if you DON'T have a scumread on me why aren't you trying to work with me? I think I'm a pretty rational guy. It seems that if you just stopped throwing insults and snark at me and tried being cooperative it would make a whole lot more sense. Your antagonism towards nearly every player in the game is irrationally unproductive.
[url="post 534]http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5500518[/url] started out with me reading it and going, "Yeah... I'll buy it. From you. Seems honest enough." And then I read the rest of the post.
And, now that I think about it, it's really weird thatagain, I'm doing something, and shos is doing something, and you scumread shos for it, but I'm somehow shielded from the scumread. Argh. I can't pretend that doesn't look like something scum would do! Placate the loud, obnoxious one, and go for the easier lynch. You can always Nightkill me anyway, if you have to.
But whatever. Point is, I trust you more than you think I do.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I'm not, I mean [this particular thing is a difference of opinion or playstyle, and that's not telling], but that's not the only aspect of it. Also the other one you're thinking of ("You must be so happy together") was because I feel like you shouldn't have had such strong townreads on each other. I still don't, really. I was suggesting that you weren'tIn post 549, Wisdom wrote:Then Whiskers why are you pointing things that should be making you think I am scum, only to say that you don't want to call me scum afterwards? What's the point?necessarilyscum, but if not, you were dating. Get it?
Because... whyIn post 549, Wisdom wrote:Btw to answer you, I wanted to see how Matt would react if I acted like I thought he was serious. I succeeded. If I had ignored it, neither of us would have got a read on each other. Why do that?wouldyou do that? I know, you just told me. But I've never seen that done before, to my knowledge. I guess it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. "It's weird."
Yeah, ok. But looking back on your exchange, it was something like,In post 548, MattP wrote:
Except instead of ignoring it he turned it around back on me by asking ME a question so that I was in the spotlight? And then I asked HIM a question about his question? And so on for a few posts. And the amazing this is that within five minutes we both had townreads on each other! Call that effective!In post 546, Whiskers wrote:Idk, RVS bullshit. And if it was a reaction test-- and you recognized it as one-- I'm pretty sure the townie thing to do would be to ignore it, rather than carefully crafting your reaction to paint you in a townie light. But that's nothing I'd call you scum for. Especially considering the way it fizzled out without going anywhere...
M: I'll hammer Wisdom!
W: Why didn't you vote me, if you were willing to hammer?btw, you don't vote someone you say you'll hammer, because then you can't lay down the hammer, duh. I've been thinking this every time I read that post.
M: You thought I was going to hammer?
W: mebbe
M: Did you consider it being a lie?
W: mebbe
M: Right-o.
Why do you have a town read from this? I could see why,maybeWisdom would get a townread onyou. Maybe. But not the other way 'round.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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And then there was this.
Btw, I did believe it, I've seen day-1 Day-1 speed-wagons go through and lynch.In post 551, MattP wrote:-snip-Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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The bolded is not-true, but if that's what you used, that's what you used.In post 556, Wisdom wrote:
If you are willing to hammer them, you think they are scum. Therefore, you should be voting them. That's what I used.In post 552, Whiskers wrote:btw, you don't vote someone you say you'll hammer, because then you can't lay down the hammer, duh. I've been thinking this every time I read that post.
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Mollie, what's your main?
I mean, I was gonna say, "who are you" but I've already seen you have at least two alt accounts (both have join dates within a month of this one, so er, why do you have so many fucking accounts?), so what account is your main? I'm curious because I actually thoughtyouseem kind of inexperienced, though that's mostly the way you put no fucking effort into anything and don't seem to be able to do things like use bbc tags correctly.
Also, are you posting from your phone?
Or are you going out of your way to be extra awful? I'll forgive "cos". I'd even forgive that you generally have no grammar. But you'd have to try extra hard to type the numeral 1 everytime you want to say "one". You're going out of your way to look stupid. Why?
also,In post 561, pirate mollie wrote:!!1!!!
Also, did you notice people are putting you on their scum-list? Maybe you should go annoy them instead.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Yes, but no.In post 560, pirate mollie wrote:strong town players do it all of the time. there are some players I can read in 1 post
There are players whothinkthey can read others in one post.
Even if they can, there'snoreason for other players to not be suspicious of them both. In fact, I'd say it's far more likely to see two scum who 100% know each other's alignments than two townies, becausetownies don't know each other's roles.
So, if you can read people in from one post, I'd say,
There's a great chance of you reading them wrong and not realizing until they beat you as scum (of course, those don't count, brilliant scum play, or you have an off day, or some fluke).
There's a great chance of you thinking you can read them from one post because you go "oh they're town" and they flip town, as the majority of players would do, since the majority of players in any game are town.
There's a great opportunity for you, as scum, to claim to have read your partner as town after his first post. You're totally sure of it, because you are such an experienced mafia player!
There's a great opportunity for your friends, who know you can "read them after one post," to manipulate you into reading them as town after one post, thereby gaining a lovely white-knight for the rest of the game.
But please, bring me examples of you having read people after one post. No doubt you'll prove me wrong in the end.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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((Nacho, can you explain this to me? I don't get the joke))
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It's because you're annoying as fuck.In post 567, helium-3 wrote:answer not good enough try again what is your dealio
Maybe I'll build an actual case on you someday.
No. I'm not good at reading people, but townies do not know the alignments/roles of other players, because that's the whole point of the game. You can read people, but [any of my previous posts].In post 570, Wisdom wrote:Whiskers, my understanding is that because you are not good at reading people, you think no-one is. You're completely wrong.
If you have someone else's role PM, in addition to your own, that's information that might be useful to the town-- or at least, you should tell us you have, instead of just acting suspicious.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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So let me see if I've got this right:In post 586, pirate mollie wrote:@ nacho
I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.
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Desp - null, should be reading you as town no matter alignment.
MattP - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Wisdom - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Arc - null, some support for his lynch but not enough to state an outright scumread without looking bad.
Mala - null, some scumreads, some townreads, but not enough for a confident scumread without looking bad.
shos - scum, everybody thinks he's scum, pretty much, especially buddies MattP and Wisdom. Also, "I might be wrong," so none of the blame can go to you when he flips the wrong way.
Whiskers - null. Scum, but not enough support for a lynch, so you can't well voice your unpopular opinion any longer. It could get you into trouble.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Yeah... tbh, I would. I'd use it against you and try to get you mislynched for it.In post 599, MattP wrote:If Whiskers was scum he would not point out that I'm giving him preferential treating for behaviors I'm picking at Shos for. End of story.
When Iwouldn'tdo it is when we werebothscum together.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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So, there's no reason for her not to do it as scum.In post 644, Malakittens wrote:Because really the only time the chair is posted is when she's town. I mean she might do it as scum, but I have never seen it before in the games she's played with me.
It would be playing to her town meta and make her look townier, in a time when her alignment is doubtful.
The previous is so true, that it strengthened your town read on her.
Hnnng, so there are lots of reasons why shewoulddo it as scum.
It's WIFOMy, and also null.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I'm not using it as an argument againstIn post 647, Malakittens wrote:She has reasons that she could do it as scum sure. One for WIFOM is correct, but sheisplaying to her town meta beforebeforethe chair. So her using it to make her look townier in my "eyes" isn't a factor so not sure why you are using this as an argument against me.you. I'm using it as an argument against the idea that it should make it more town, or possibly, by extension, an argument againsther.
Remind me what it is about her play here that's to her town meta, please. I say "remind" because I'm pretty sure you already mentioned this. A Quote of your own post would suffice.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.