Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: Myko

No way you just drop such a shitty vote in lylo if you're town. There's no evidence for me as scum and you know it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

But who is your partner?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko you've got shit and you know it. Horrible scum play dropping a vote so soon in LyLo. There's absolutely no town motivation for it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

That's what I'm saying reck. I'm not saying voting is scummy, but voting with

very weak evidence

and at this juncture with plenty of time left is not town motivated.

[Anatole Kuragin]

UNVOTE: myko

[Anatole Kuragin]

GreyICE is the farside slot and could very well be scum, but I'll wait for flubber

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can anyone tell me if scum are confirmed to have daytalk?

If Reck is a non-moron right now he will pick up his vote, regardless of alignment.

Why are you so sure myko isn't scum?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm critiquing you for calling reck a moron for not unvoting possible scum. I'm inclined to say myko is scum but there's no reason not to allow input from a player who is probably town at this point.

[Anatole Kuragin]

There's no town motivation for myko's actions and if you are scumbuddies your play makes perfect sense so far. Still don't want to be complicit in a quicklynch worst case scenario.

[Anatole Kuragin]

he was at L-1 for over an hour - makes a pretty good case that scum doesn't want him dead. reck would have waited for a partner to quick-lynch if he was scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

so what you're saying is, your slot was on as many mislynches as mine and only one more scum lynch because I was opting to wait for a claim out of caution - impressive detective work there and not at all a transparent attempt at discrediting a player you know is town

[Anatole Kuragin]

god no wonder you play league of legends

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ice are you here? I want to ask you a question and I'd like a quick answer.

[Anatole Kuragin]

what is your role?

[Anatole Kuragin]

do you know what farside claimed?

[Anatole Kuragin]

good answer

still waiting on flub

[Anatole Kuragin]

Are you so confident that reck is scum that you're willing to risk a quicklynch by a possible myko/flub team?

[Anatole Kuragin]

why wouldn't he vote me though?

[Anatole Kuragin]

You said you thought I was more likely scum than myko.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Regardless of Myk's alignment too, Anatole.

But this raises an interesting question. You left your vote on Myk for 6 hours in LyLo. It is now gone. If Myk is town and you are town, then the game would be lost for you. The ONLY way you wouldn't fear that is if you were 100% confident Myk was scum. And yet you removed your vote.

And here you are, critiquing me for asking for an unvote. And not asking Reck for the same, but just saying "where is flubber"?

You're not town, are you Anatole?

Flubber is confirmed town. Get better folks.

VOTE: flubbernugget

Can you please give more than that

I've never even played with SSK and I know the answer to that.

Reck is confirmed scum unless this is some shit LyLo gambit.

Leaning Anatole over Myk for scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

why on earth would scum hard bus scum with the first lylo vote

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko, you are being scumread by every player right now and the only reason we're not voting is out of fear we're wrong about that instinct.

Don't you think it's time to stop being such an ass about what is "obvious" and who is "terrible" if

every

player thinks you're playing scummy?

[Anatole Kuragin]

If myko wasn't lynched in the past 12 hours it's pretty much guaranteed he's scum right?

[Anatole Kuragin]

can you guys stop calling us idiots and morons, it doesn't help your cases

[Anatole Kuragin]

I want to say reck is town

[Anatole Kuragin]

could be wrong, but I have a better feeling about reck than the rest of you

[Anatole Kuragin]

Flubber's ISO is actually pretty bad - frequent inconsistencies with his reads. will post examples.

[Anatole Kuragin]

AK is town.

The fact that this game isn't full of apathy. It would ruin a lot more and it's not a "I want this done and over" kinda thing.

I would probably hammer AK due to PoE.

I need to look this game over again and get a reads list. But that's gonna take some time. And I'm procrastinating homework right now. And tonight marks the beginning of a holiday for me so I won't be able to bury my head in a phone/computer all night. And tomorrow I have classes all day. If I can't get to it before sundown, can you guys wait till late Friday for me to catch up or should I replace out?

I'm still drawing blanks on how myko is trying to get his reads. And he's probably going to scum read me for saying I'm drawing blanks. Like that's the kind of logic I feel like he's trying to push. I don't get it. I almost got it in the beginning of the game but now idk.

And?
Like this is pretty much just posting to post.

What is your view on let's say csa or tso? You have a view on them ?

Its posting to say that if myko keeps going after shallow reads this late in the day he's scum.

Csareo had a permanent VI read from me. I haven't seen him as town but from his play so far I honestly think that the day he gets a scum pm is the day he lurks so hard SSK ends up calling him out in it.

TSO is null/scum. Like normally, "saying this game sucks" or something to that effect as an excuse to half-ass your way through the game is a scum tell to me. But I kinda feel where he's coming from here. I don't see anything juicy to latch onto, and as MattP can tell you, I'm not quite the conversationalist to really put life into the game. Maybe he's the same way?

@TSO. Weird question. I can understand if you don't want to answer it. You go to a party of about 20-30 people, with only 3 of which you know. What do you think you would do in a situation like this?

TSO isn't scum and that lynch isn't happening. 14 hrs left; it needs to stay between Espresso and me (preferably Espresso though )

I'm scum, I'm not scum. TSO is scum, TSO is town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.

There are two static wagons at the moment, both with three people each. One is Csareo, the other is vezok. The lack of anything happening except these two is strongly, strongly indicative of one being scum. You agree with me that Csareo is both scum and an easy mislynch. Vezok is not only the counterwagon but he is

also voting Csareo to boot.

Vote vezok.

Why are people saying he has no case?

And TSO, what made SSK's vote scummier than mine?

Lightly defends SSK, barely mentions him at all aside from this in his ISO, certainly doesn't ever seem to suspect him.

[Anatole Kuragin]

yeah well I don't have a lot of confidence in your town play if you are town

[Anatole Kuragin]

so forgive me for trying to investigate shit on my own

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why are you so sure about this townread?

[Anatole Kuragin]

loooool. Sure anatole. "Investigate" flubber. "oh doesn't he look bad, how do you guys all know he's town???"

this was cute when it wasn't obvious you're either

a) playing the worst game of everyone here (barely surpassing myself)

or

b) scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

Already explained.

3 man LyLo, if me and flubber are both still alive, might reconsider.

Doesn't matter jack shit what you think of my town game. I'm town, if the scum don't bus, you need my vote to lynch scum.

note that I said

if you're town

[Anatole Kuragin]

Farside's ISO is a mess but one thing is clear - she defended SSK

hard

[Anatole Kuragin]

reck-

you defended him on the same grounds though - lurking is his meta - several times before your post #1312 where you say you're good with lynching him over vezok (but you do eventually switch to vez who you had claimed to townread prior)

[Anatole Kuragin]

reck-

you defended him on the same grounds though - lurking is his meta - several times before your post #1312 where you say you're good with lynching him over vezok (but you do eventually switch to vez who you had claimed to townread prior)

[Anatole Kuragin]

farside responding to my god-awful case again csareo/matt in a towny way, ie. different from ssk who immediately latched on to an easy chance to lynch town, and myko, who was already voting one of them

[Anatole Kuragin]

Farside responded to my god-awful case again csareo/matt in a towny way, ie. different from ssk who immediately latched on to an easy chance to lynch town, and myko, who was already voting Matt.

Edited for clarity/grammar/spelling.

[Anatole Kuragin]

and still didn't fix everything.. jesus.

I think I'm ready to lynch myko.

[Anatole Kuragin]

PM me after game I'll let let you know your tells so you can work on them

[Anatole Kuragin]

Reck/GI are yall down with this

[Anatole Kuragin]

your reads are inconsistent, your posting style changed completely after SSK died and there was pressure all of a sudden after you coasted through the first few days without attention. you lost your cool

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm scared poncho

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: myko

[Anatole Kuragin]

did I lose it for us

[Anatole Kuragin]

ice?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm not scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

exploiting two lurkers to win would be pretty disappointing for a scumteam

[Anatole Kuragin]

this will be a painful twilight, scum if you have won can you just say it

[Anatole Kuragin]

well flubber is online. did you win flubs?

[Anatole Kuragin]

ok so myko is lying.

[Anatole Kuragin]

unless there are only two mafia somehow

[Anatole Kuragin]

that was a quick night

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think you guys should consider me conftown based on the way the last two days have gone with myko and me.

[Anatole Kuragin]

And you both would have rather lynched each other than Myko.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko voted reck when farside was more or less a potential lynch.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Flubber kill is a wash. He thought it was a reck but I don't want to WIFOM over the reason he was killed.

[Anatole Kuragin]

reck would have had to have been very committed to bussing early - he put myko at L-1 without much hesitation. can't decide if they oversold it later on though

[Anatole Kuragin]

let's not do that shit please

[Anatole Kuragin]

Typing after I see if you hammer

Vote: xReckonerx

Good game? It really is if you do.

were you this sure I was town that you risked a bad quicklynch?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I completely understand the obvious kill for reck-scum is flubber.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I've accidentally hammered people I was pretty ambivalent about.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah that's cool. I'm going to wait on reck before I do anything.

[Anatole Kuragin]

kinda sucks being the player that scum knew would be stupid enough to fuck up LYLO

[Anatole Kuragin]

you guys won't be mad at me no matter what though right? because the important thing is we had fun playing together and it could go either way?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I just read through the beginning of the game and you weren't going after farside until she started suspecting you (after you defended myko, funny enough)

[Anatole Kuragin]

Vote: reck

Fake, fake, fake.

I believe Anatole mention most of those post pages ago.
If it was that good reck would have sheeped pages ago

It's not fake, fake, fake.

I just haven't read, read, read.

I have a simple question.
Maybe I missed it, but how do you like a case about a player and how it's put together and think the player is talking about someone else?

Because myko mentioned Matt in his case on TSO and for some reason Matt's name was on my mind when I was writing up my response.

Have you

never

been writing something down and having a conversation with someone and accidentally wrote down what you were saying/what the other person was saying instead of what you meant to write?

"Myko is town...I liked his case...I don't want to lynch Matt"

This are the three statements made in that post.

I voted him and didn't mention flailing, so did MattP

So your decision to hand-wave the wagon away by misconstruing Espresso's reasons as the entire wagon's reasons is really bad

VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

To continue the fakeness of reck.

You have the good case on Matt, and it was tso case.
Fun fact myko I believe mentioned Matt once with the rest tso.
So fake read.
To his vote on Anatole.
The only pushing of the wagon when I posted was between ESP and Anatole so his comment to me about handing waving a case that is being primary pushed is by esp. Not him or Matt.

Hmm. farside's reaction here is weird.

> vezok calls her scum
> I say vezok's reads seem genuine/not faked
> farside votes me

This seems like she's preempting a wagon on her by trying to paint me as scummy for something that isn't actually scummy.

My questioning of vezok on Csareo leads to me agreeing with the posts pointed out... farside says that it's fake, because:
"If it was that good reck would have sheeped pages ago"

Okay... so then there's a couple options here:
1) I, as scum, read Anatole's case and didn't agree with it

strategically

(why?) but then

strategically

agreed with vezok's case when he already had a town read on me (why?)
2) I, as either alignment, skimmed/didn't read Anatole's case and then agreed with vezok when I actually saw the posts in question.

One of them makes literally no sense and has no scum motivation behind it, the other is null. farside's vote here is very weak.

[Anatole Kuragin]

that was the first time you ever expressed suspicion of that slot

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko got a decent wagon on himself early after failing to be able to explain a vote on Reck (his final explanation was "he has 8 posts"). I think 4 posts. Reck, you IMMEDIATELY jumped onto the espresso case I started when you had the chance. Looks like scum + scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Around the time you jumped on espresso you said something like "shit myko is town" and then you guys mutually townread eachother almost inexplicably.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Around the time you jumped on espresso you said something like "shit myko is town" and then you guys mutually townread eachother almost inexplicably.

This is what diffused the myko wagon.

[Anatole Kuragin]

My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :c but Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you

this legendary smoking gun

[Anatole Kuragin]

TSOykins

[Anatole Kuragin]

doesn't flow the same, does it?

[Anatole Kuragin]

farside and reck's iso's both look really bad in regards to ssk/myko

[Anatole Kuragin]

well played with this lylo, scum

[Anatole Kuragin]

no, because it provides a million avenues for WIFOM

[Anatole Kuragin]

what is a physical tell

never got an answer to this, RIP carstereo

[Anatole Kuragin]

Reading farside's ISO is like going through some sort of lovecraftian portal.

[Anatole Kuragin]

farside's case on me was SO ridiculous

[Anatole Kuragin]

[Anatole Kuragin]

ICE's pretentious demeanor rubs me the wrong way so I would be a little upset if I gave him a scum win on the back of a tactical replace out, but the flubber kill doesn't make sense from that slot. Reck's ISO is a bit more attuned to myko, farside's to SSK. Hard choice.

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: reck

[Anatole Kuragin]

sorry if it's wrong

[Anatole Kuragin]

gg everybody

[Anatole Kuragin]

sorry for the shit cases against csar, espresso, matt, etc. I've been playing like shit lately

[Anatole Kuragin]

sorry for all the mean stuff directed at farside and espresso - I'm trying to change my attitude in game because it's not at all who I want to be. I have just been getting really frustrated when people scumread me as town, especially based on bad meta reasoning and I let it get personal.

[Anatole Kuragin]

your replace-in saved this game for town, ICE - I think you and matt could probably share MVP

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah, if Flubber had been a little more vocal/active and if I had been less spammy, allowing scum to stay under the radar, this game would have been a lot easier I think.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks, reck. GG dude. Unfortunate about SSK and the replacement. Not going to pass judgment on the conditions surrounding it or what was going through farside's head when she backed out, but it's a fact that greyICE coming in may very well have changed the course of the game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks TSO. You + Matt getting SSK gave the town some much needed clarity and direction.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko seriously was COMPLETELY under my radar most of the game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Farside defended SSK pretty hard. That was the only reason I didn't insta-hammer reck, honestly.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks for the game Oman! Just want you to know when I pmed you about a lynch (myko's) it was out of my own excitement/anxiety about seeing the flip and not because I thought you were negligent in anyway. I don't have any complaints about the moderation.