Mini 1631 - Mafia with a Twist 3 (It's Over!)

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VOTE: UT

I'm just going to scumread you anyway, might as well pre-empt my vote.

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oh

unvote: STD

I hated his vote on me, but it's not a strong enough reason for a vote

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-31 16:30:00)

HA! What vote!

VOTE: UT

Oh I guess that one.

Thesp your vote counter hates me :'(

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VOTE: Honey bee

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no i'm not i'm really not

please just lynch me.

This could be showy, not convinced orc is town yet though he's popping up in some town lists

yes, but why did you ask us why reck is considering PL when he literally just explained why he's considering PL?

No he said:

Are we really discussing PLs two pages in

which doesn't seem like a weird response to someone discussing PL on page 2.

and what exactly are you doing aside from making casual remarks on the sideline

fair enough

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Rvs is the first vote. So again why the switch.

RVS doesn't need to be defined so rigidly this attack has no meat on it.

(inb4 not an attack, it's confrontational enough even if you're not scumreading him).

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I glossed over boo's questions because I didn't want to mistakenly scumread her again, looking back they look a little forced but it's still early.

yeah no. more likely this game will be decided in one fell swoop so we ain't doin that shit.

Based on 2 definitely and to a lesser extent 1 yeah, I suppose that's a fair point. We can PL though just as long as we have some discussion to look back upon.

Stop acting weird flames.
VOTE: flames choo choo.

Can you elaborate?

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UT are you scum? Should I have left my vote on you?

It concerns me that:

oh

unvote: STD

I hated his vote on me, but it's not a strong enough reason for a vote

you hate my vote but it seems not worth having a vote on me.
considering there's only functionally 3 pages, there's actually a lot of events that have occurred

that three pages was a JOURNEY

I was reading the flashwagon on me going what the FUCK I'm voting orci then I saw the orci votes then I saw that post of Reck's

I just don't even know what to do

and you don't know what to do

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there there *pat pat*

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Eh.

"Why not do the research yourself": Because it's a time consuming venture for someone with no knowledge of a player's meta or game history?
"How does getting info from me or others help her figure anything out": Because... you're literally giving Boo more information with which to make a decision? Is this not a tautology or something?

I don't get it. You think Boo's request for cited meta evidence is scummy because cited meta won't help her? I'm confused.

I agree with this, but do you think it's weird that boo specifically asked farside for NS meta?

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I don't remember that far back

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so I'm gonna not do anything today

I forgot you were here for a moment

go post in chain reaction so i can inevitably crush you with my wordsmithery. <3

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why the hell am i voting honey bee

unvote

VOTE: farside

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not really since i'm more suspicious of farside

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i voted honey bee cuz she just kind of flopped onto flames

i voted for farside since she normally has this commanding town presence that I get from like 2 posts of hers in my extremely limited meta experience with her and I don't have that so it's worth voting now.

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Let's talk about that for a moment since I think this is a lie.

A lie?

I'm not stretching the truth, being confused, reading into stuff too much, but flat out lying?

You think I'd just build a "case" on you out of nowhere as scum to see if other people might jump onto my meta read of you?

If you think I'm lying, does that mean you think I'm scum?

You replaced into this game here

Replaced into it I did! Which means I read the entire thing. You were super town, you were leading the town.

And here was the second

I'm not comparing your scum game (or what little I've seen of it) to this game.

Since ongoing can't be discussed what exactly are you comparing me to and how is it different.

okay I won't discuss it.

How about that first game I replaced into. The only reason I had an inkling you were scum was because of paranoia.

Your attitude and vibe in this game is different. It's only page 6 and I suck at playing mafia. I don't know who the scum are but it's worth voting for now.

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then why vote now and not then?

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And no I wasn't leading the town that game

This is an opinion, is it not?

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At the risk of WIFOMing all over the place, explain to me how this "scumplan" pans out.

ScumSTD votes farside with very little reasoning and chimes in with a bit about her meta being different. What does scumSTD reasonably hope to gain? Seriously? How does this convince others to mislynch farside?

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Worth considering to rush to the twist but I'll pass for the moment.

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town

farside22
orcinus_theoriginal
xRECKONERx
SleepyKrew
Untrod Tripod
Bookitty
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Varsoon

scum / need2belynch

Flames682
Nobody Special
Honey bee
Klazam

idk lol

mathcam

this game is ezpzlmnsqzy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M

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ooo cool I'll remember that for next time.

Reck why do you think UT is town?

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I'm going to post mine when it gets further developed right now I'm too cloudy

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Why not? Doesn't that just earn him townie points with you? How did you know he won't go back on that later when he needs to?

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stop bussing me, STD

har har

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the last game we played together I scumread you the WHOLE game and was totally wrong

please don't waste my time on that again

same to you :/

I'm trying to read you

things aren't looking good so far

don't know if it's just that i can't read you though

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Why not? Doesn't that just earn him townie points with you? How did you know he won't go back on that later when he needs to?

Because the likely Reck response to that post isn't, "Oh, look how town you are!"

The likely Reck response to that post is more like, "IGNORE ME WILL YOU, MOTHERFUCKER? FUCK YOU, LET'S DANCE" etc etc rage cursing smash

but you did the first one. Is there no chance UT would predict that behavior?

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games within games, bro

I'm watching a show that involves a lot of mind games and guessing what other people are doing so maybe I'm reading too much into this.

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UT who's the scum?

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VOTE: Klazam

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I'd rather not turn this into a straw man about what is considered "leading" the town. I meant that you were a pro-town voice and you were helfpul to me in that game. We had a disagreement/misunderstand in that game but it seemed like you were trying to sort me there. I'm wondering if you're sorting me here or if you're just reacting to the dirt I'm flinging on you and trying to deflect it by voting me.

If you like, though, here are a couple posts that show you talking with the town and being helpful. It is not an absence of these types post that made me vote you, but a wariness of your play overall in this game that just seems different.

Spoiler: from role roll game

Or is this a don't worry till tomorrow Edo?

because I'm leaning rottonchef and I think a discussion before the day ends would help the town.

Anyone else have anything to add?

You were the person who responded to me, it is very likely I attributed this post towards pro-town helpfulness

Hi. I'm town. 5 alive, 2 scum, I guess we're at Lylo? I need a little bit of time to get acquainted.

Let's win this thing.

Short story.

Yo claimed watcher and said he saw fuzzy target wgeurt.
Fuzzy flipped town, no other person targetted wgeurt.
So confirmed scum with yo.

We are discussing last scum before lynching confirmed scum.

Numbers were picked pre-game.
All players with the number roles, recieved role.

You made shit up. What is the town motivation. That's what I ask.

I didn't make anything up! You're convinced I somehow can't have a meta read on you from one game. Why the hell not? I read the entire freakin' game, just because I replaced into it means very little. Please try again and answer my question, don't disregard it.

Even if I were, how the hell does me floundering in the mud help me? Saying "oh you just made stuff up lynch all liars" is a copout.

The town motivation is trying to get a read on you since I don't know your alignment and I'm getting a different vibe from your posts here than I did when I interacted with you (since we interacted in that game a bit even if it was a few posts).

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@STD: I have no clue why you think that someone (Farside or not) should be leading the town this early in the game.

I never said she should :/ I'm saying her posting feels different from a game where she did (to some extent or not depending on how you want to read it) lead the town.

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You should realize those post was day2 or day 3 in a micro game right?

*sigh*
I do NOT want to talk about what is or isn't leading a town, I want to showcase that I feel this is something you do on some level.

I'm asking because the coming out the gate in 2 pages and your claim of my behavior here is day 1 and suspicious of players till I get a better read.

It was somewhat different in my opinion.

I don't really know why I have to be scum, I'm not sure why I can't just be wrong?

Second and this is the one that maybe wifom but it's not. I don't act the same in every game. There is probably 5 different personalities I count on but I maybe under estimating how many.

Wait, so there is a difference!?!?! Why are you hounding me for finding a difference in your playstyle?

Shouldn't this be your first argument? Shouldn't you just have shrugged it off?

Finally Im tired right now so you have sleepy grumpy girl that lost focus so I don't know what your point is.

*sigh*
That's fine.
I stopped voting for you a while ago.
I'm not trying to frustrate you intentionally.

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Except you, STD.

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Don't know what the twist is and all I looked at was game 1 for okay correl shot out.
Is day 2 usuaslly quick?

In OK Corral we just had 5 people left D2.

In Democracy Inaction there really wasn't a D2; based on D1 everyone ranked who they thought the scum were.

So it's unlikely to come to that again but just cuz everyone got 1 shot vigs for game 1 doesn't mean everyone's going to get 1 shot powers N1 this game. It could also be OK Corral 2.

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Also, I feel pretty confident that STD and farside share the same alignment.

We're dueling SKs

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fwiw pineapple is the best pizza topping

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This is post #233 and Nobody Special is still alive.

pls don't do this.

Also tell me why SleepyKrew has been more worth saving than NS

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I feel like I'm banging my head on a wall with std. I also feel like I just got circled jerk.

To me I feel like we just misunderstand each other, I don't personally think you're suspicious, I thought you were a decent early vote.

I didn't exactly write the magna carta here and I didn't sentence you to death so I'm concerned with the extremeness this discussion has taken. I'm trying not to repeat myself so I'm going to leave it at I am trying to read with how you've acted in terms of what your alignment might be.

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Regardless I dunno what to do, I am past it, I generally try to defend myself when I'm accused of lying so that's why I keep poking the bear but I guess it is what it is...

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Where is orc?

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oh ok

see you later then

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Any reads that aren't based off meta? Your farside push kinda sucks IMO if it's just "you're not town leader like usual".

I trust my gut a little bit more than I trust my logic since it's usually a little more right but even then I try to make sure the logic is sound.

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you're damn right i got unlucky
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ha that's right he shot you!

i mean...

sorry bud

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Yup, NS lynch is a bad lynch and people who support it are a bad.

I got the exact opposite impression from his "I'm going to take two posts to say next to nothing about the gamestate"

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and i also have my eyes on std for scum but that's really just because he isn't town yet

that's funny this is how i feel about you

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Also, I feel pretty confident that STD and farside share the same alignment.

I'm really not sure yet. I'm hoping to do some reading of old farside games this weekend. (Not going to read any STD games because I already know I won't have time for that; the farside games will be games I played with her, and won't take that long.)

It's simply the nature and tone of their banter. They're either both scum (same team), or they're both town, because they're talking a lot but neither of them is actually saying anything of substance. Thus, they aren't scumhunting the other, nor are they really helping town. So, they share an alignment. I just can't tell (yet) what that alignment

is.

It's not that much but it's something and I think he has genuine reasons for believing what he does.
Thus, town, and a worse lynch than Varsoon/SKrew.

that middle post is nothing there's not even proof he did that

beside that he decided I was the same alignment with farside, which I thought meant "both town" but his analysis doesn't even go that far;

if we seem the same alignment and we're scum, it's because we're buddies and we know each other.

if we seem the same alignment and we're town, then it's for an entirely different reason.

thus he's throwing a blanket statement that looks like activity but barely scratches the surface of a read in this game.

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If he's scum then he's basically doing everything right and playing a perfect game so far.

:/

he hasn't convinced me he's town yet.

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as in, he's been cruising instead of making waves, and that's typically an act i associate with scum varsoon

I think he was quieter in cave story than he was in advance wars

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hey std

VOTE: mathcam

I don't really have a scumread on him, I'm just not townreading him and am unsure why mathdino thinks his game is perfect

will consider though when I remember who I'm voting for.

is it no one? i hope it's not no one

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It's okay. I talk out of my mouth but only poop comes out.

i'd pl this

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as in, he's been cruising instead of making waves, and that's typically an act i associate with scum varsoon

I think he was quieter in cave story than he was in advance wars

he was town and incredibly loud in advance wars what is your point?

i recall writing "he was town in the former"

he can be town and quiet(ish)

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yes but in general in stacked playerlists with friends he's pretty off-the-walls

is this the case here?

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so you think varsoon is scummy, orc?

i took a sleeping pill half an hour ago i probably shouldn't be trying to mafia right now

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wait which post rang town

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Yikes i have no solid town reads and it's page 15

quick someone do something really town

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pedit hey std what can i do to get you to townread me

go back and time, not do this:

orci are you scum?

kinda?

no i'm not i'm really not

please just lynch me.

also:

hey scumbuddy i was actually planning on just ignoring you this game but do you want to get into a yelling match to spam up the thread

i'll yell at you to remove your vote and then you can move us out of rvs by calling me on my overreaction and then we'll use big fonts and angry colors and then someone will call us tvt and then we can mislynch like save the dragons or something

I don't know why it's my name that bothers me so much but you say "mislynch" like you know my alignment.

Also I imagine your scumgame is like your towngame is like what you're doing now so I'm still trying to figure out what's important for your alignment and what's just you being you

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361 doesn't say anything, he gave info that's factually based so it's non-alignment indicative and then spun a metaphor about how he might scumhunt in the future...

how does that feel town

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but also

but you say "mislynch" like you know my alignment.

if

book and

i were scum

like we were pretending to be

then we would know your alignment, yes.

could be true

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whoops, i guess that should be "I would"

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there's also been 14 pages since the posts you quoted

try

reading

me.

perhaps i'll remind you of the conversation we had yesterday

Where is orc?

playing marathon

oh ok

see you later then

Hard to read you when I'm falling asleep and just now seeing you play this game

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now, onto the topic of "posts that don't actually say anything", do you have a point aside from "orci could be scum"?

actually I'm responding to a question you asked me, so if talking to you doesn't have a point I can leave...

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StD (don't like how he's discussing me arooound me)

why does this bother you? i'm not trying to ignore you or be offensive or snooty

if you have questions about it, i'm here, otherwise i'm talking about other people's opinions of you

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Dude's scum. :l

why

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you said that it bothered you how i said mislynch. i explained why it made sense in the context in the joke. you proceeded to say that "well you could be scum anyways" which i mean goes for everyone doesn't it?

no, that's not what i'm saying

if you're scum, you could use the word mislynch freely since it always applies (unless bus)
if you're town, your use of the word could be erroneous. less confidence, less likely to use the word.

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Dude's scum. :l

why

and when you say why you mean

Mathdino (Bad slot votes, bad stuff said)

"Be more specific"

right?

I do mean that, though I will admit i'm not necessarily reading things chronologically and sped past mathdino on his scumlist

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ok sure i wasn't here for 4 pages but that still doesn't excuse you from having the basis of your read on me being RVS shenanigans

what why the heck not

you weren't just gone for four pages, you started playing this game an hour ago. i don't have you set in stone as town because i haven't had time to process

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that's what i suspected and i'm wondering if you're just halfassing your reading looking for a question to ask for the sake of asking a question

clearly

so i'll redirect you to this:

i took a sleeping pill half an hour ago i probably shouldn't be trying to mafia right now

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but it was a joke in which the first situation was assumed (as a joke) so???

don't see how my if statements care if it's a joke or not

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Mafia With a Twist 3

The game where STD goes through the entire player list, points out something that makes him lean slightly more suspicious on someone, and has a frustrating several post long discussion with them about the minor detail

modded by Thesp

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StD: Can you link me to a recent, completed scumgame of yours? Doesn't have to be tonight.

there's only one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53159

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i'm still curious as to why you thought rvs shenanigans were more alignment indicative than my scumreads on flame or book

i said that's why i'm not solidly town reading you

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EBWOP: Also, a recent, completed towngame. Please and thanks.

Cave Story: where I was right about everything
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58844

Mafia with a twist 1: where I was wrong about everything but still looked stylish
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58660

Final Fantasy AU: where I just sucked
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=59399

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Mafia With a Twist 3

The game where STD goes through the entire player list, points out something that makes him lean slightly more suspicious on someone, and has a frustrating several post long discussion with them about the minor detail

modded by Thesp

/in

SK you've done nothing all game

i'm slightly more than null scumreading you

discuss

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what are your scumreads right now?

SK has literally done nothing all game but I'm waiting for him to post something contentlicious

UT has also made a lot of posts but has said nothing with them but I'm trying to tread carefully since I have misread UT in the past 2 games I played with him. Even so, I understand 'yeah policy lynch NS' and he can get kind of bandwagony and tunnely, usually there's something there

reck isn't really a scum read but I could see one track mind "let's policy lynch NS" as a viable scumstrategy

farside will hate me but i'm not fully unbothered by whatever it is that's bother me about her posts

honey bee seems less present than she should

varsoon chose pizza over answering my question...that bast...actually that's the correct choice.

NS has posted a lot of nothing

mathcam gut somethin' don't feel right

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sorry SK that was meant to be a joke but then it got kinda serious but i'm still waiting for your sweet sweet content

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also from that joke i said slightly more than null, like a minor scumread, which is what i've been arguing with farside and orc over so I'm going to cross you off the list since I've posted like 3 times about this

Bookitty

farside22

Flames682
Honey bee
mathcam
Mathdino
Nobody Special

orcinus_theoriginal

SleepyKrew

Untrod Tripod
Varsoon
xRECKONERx

9 more to go

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honey bee was pretty inactive in advance wars too

my experience with her is that she's still somewhat present even though she doesn't post as much

i feel like here she just argued with flames about metaing flames

also saying that people were inactive in advance wars is like saying a jackhammer isn't loud when it's next to a jet engine

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hey guess who i'm voting

i'm pondering

varsoon voting mathcam gives me pause since he currently suspects the person he is voting for his:

and mathcam (who is mathcam).

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oh yeah she's been sick though i just remembered

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but it never hurts for me to shamelessly plug it again.

literally the only reason Mafia with a Twist exists is so that Thesp can push his vote coutner

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i'd rather pl gross gifs than poor play tbh

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Just from gut, possible scumpairs are HoneyBee/farside and

STD/Boo

why

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I think this is where I'm at

town:

bookitty
mathdino

maybe town? :

reck
farside
orc
flames

less than town (null or otherwise):

NS
SK
mathcam
Varsoon
honey bee
UT

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Is it weird that some of my scumreads came out of the woodwork when I mentioned them and specifically addressed my read on them?
I think that is weird.

I don't

I don't think you were accusing me of talking around you before I was talking around you so I'm not sure why you think me wondering about your scumread of me wouldn't happen in response of you scumreading me

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also feel free to answer some of the questions I posed to you if you don't want me to keep talking around you

if you show me that you don't talk to me I'm not going to talk to you

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you came up with reasons to scumread players (one of the reasons was 'mathcam')

since I am town, it concerns me when someone scumreads me and I like to figure that shit out.

i am not convinced you are town and saying repeatedly you are doesn't help, but trying to justify your thought process does.

part of the reason i'm asking other people about you is because i'm trying to get a read on them.

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also splinter is awesome <3

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I know this doesn't mean much but I'm always super defensive, I don't like to get lynched, mis or otherwise.

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VOTE: Mathcam

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UT has basically stood on the sidelines of this game and chimed in on things that aren't alignment indicative. In the meta argument, even in Oldy it felt like he actually had cases and was suspicious of people.

In MwaT 1 SK was making useful cases with me, was being pretty helpful and seemed town to me by the end of D1
In Cave Story he seemed to pretend to make useful cases and something bothered me about his play; he seemed scum by the end of D1

In this he's playing different, but I'm not sure if it's active lurking or he just hasn't had time to pop into the thread.

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Except NS is still scummy

NS comes in and in 119 just snarks at people and still provides nothing of value, do I have any more takers for the NS policylynch?

still not necessarily suspicious, but worth policy lynching

Just to be clear: NS had a chance to actually comment on anything that happened in the past six pages, here, and instead made a joke about how he's useless.

enforcing policy

etc. etc. etc.

is he scummy because him being alive is detrimental to the town or is he scummy because you have reason to believe he is scum?

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if I were the only person in the world who liked to put pineapple on their pizza, it wouldn't be offered everywhere. EVERYWHERE. not just anywhere, but EVERYWHERE.

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I would not at all be surprised at a Reck/UT/Skrew scumteam.

this is kind of lazy of you :/

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Also tell me why SleepyKrew has been more worth saving than NS

are you kidding me

uh you did nothing until today so pretty srs

STD, what do you feel your farside vote accomplished?

It's interesting she voted me and accused me of lying, that she didn't assume I could just be wrong or have a weak meta read I'm overplaying, but I had to be lying. Then she kind of slowly took her vote off of me.

It's interesting but I don't know what that means on its own; I'm wary of her and it's the reason why she's not supertown in my book. Almost every other time I play with her she quickly becomes super town so the fact that she's not worries me which feeds into my vicious cyclical crappy meta read of farside.

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STD, was your farside meta off of just one game? Oh it was. Fun. Have you considered reading other farside games to see if your meta tell is valid?

no that sounds like too much work

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I do not like this post

words are good

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Honestly he just seems a little too smarmy

It's really just gut for me at this point.

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And I don't take gut as a reason

...then don't vote for him?

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What is smarmy

imagine a used car salesman

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Dragon: I seriously think you don't read anything I said after I voted you.
Not that is scummy but if it bugs you I can point you to the comments I made you missed.

Show me

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STD: I'll give you smarmy. Sorry about that.

Why are you apologizing? I think you've been kind of buddying with the town almost. I'm reading it as a scumtell, not something offensive...

519 just seems off to me...particularly that last line

I'm liking Screw's renewed vigor in this game, but I can't help but wonder the motivation for re-bringing up his call to lynch him when everyone else had surely moved past it.

his renewed vigor = he started playing the game because he wasn't able until yesterday

the second part seems clear to me why SK did it but if mathcam wants SK for that I'll bite my tongue for now

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There is probably 5 different personalities I count on but I maybe under estimating how many.

in 2-3 games I've seen you in I've seen 2. Here you are different from the other couple of times I've seen you. I wasn't exactly executing you or building a grandiose case, I was just placing a vote on you and noting a difference.

This is probably best for me as well. I know I tend to get wrapped up with things I read and sometimes it's in my head.

okay, i don't know what specifically you want me to respond to here.

but the leader thing and whether i'm lying or telling the truth and all that stuff kind of gets extraneous.

You brought up a game in which it was I think day 2 and people get reads more on day 1 (at least I do).

cool i didn't have that luxury since I replaced in, so D3 was D1 for me and time for me to gather reads.

It wasn't worth arguing because it's possible to interupt my behavior many different ways. I still disagree with you.

That's fine, it's not the meta read that bugs me, it's your behavior in response; it all boils down to a reaction test and I think it's interesting to see what you did, like I said, I don't really know yet if it's because I managed to fluster you as town by being off or if you're scum getting hyperdefensive and trying to paint the person attacking you as a liar.

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Who the fuck is Jenny McCarthy

Hahah that ought to fool them...

(No srsly i have no idea who that is)

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Your vigor was not renewed it was non existant you were barely in this game until your catch ups so it is weord he is using this phrasing.

Wow i drunk post better than i phone post

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I think you brought it up because you were catching up and were reminded of it. It looks like over all its a weak attack by mathcam but confirmation bias might be a thing

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NS do you have any other reads beside STD/farside are same alignment and everyone on your wagon is scum?

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I'm cool with an NS lynch. Not because of PL, but because he hasn't done shit this game and scum like to lay low.

I could vote Flames

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tempted to hammer just to get to the twist

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or you know we could not wait for him and just kill him i guess

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WELP

TWIST TIME

HYPEHYPEHYPE

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That sounds good to me. We might be able to solve this logically but with our missing pieces it might be really hard cuz it's

11 results, 1 lost forever

of the 11, 2-3 are opposite, and 3 (MwaT 1 and 2 both had 3 scum) might be lies.

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I got Mafia

orcinus, go next please

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The plan is to popcorn again for the person, right?

This will take a lot of our time for the day.

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half revealing prevents scum at the bottom of the order from tailoring their results to the previous results, cuz now if someone thinks it might be advantageous to call someone mafia or not mafia their choices are locked in.

but the problem is that scum could also be lethargic on their reply which could caused double popcorn to take a long time, especially with the holiday (though I guess we got 12 days and we're almost done with the first round).

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all it takes is one

I suppose it's new years so there's that but still

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UT is mafia.

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Have my grid at home, will look at what this means for that at some point.

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pruning for myself feel free to ignore if you think I'm scum

Spoiler:

{BooK, Reck, math}
{BooK, Reck, HB}
{BooK, Reck, Dino}
{BooK, Reck, UT}
{BooK, math, Var}
{BooK, Var, HB}
{BooK, Var, Dino}
{BooK, UT, Var}
{Reck, HB, Dino}
{Reck, HB, UT}
{Reck, Dino, UT}
{math, HB, Dino}
{UT, math, HB}
{UT, math, Dino}
{HB, Dino, Orc}
{Var, HB, Dino}
{UT, HB, Orc}
{Var,HB, Orc}
{UT, Var, HB}
{UT, Dino, Orc}
{Var, Dino,Orc}
{UT, Var, Dino}
{UT, Var, Orc}
{BooK, math,HB}
{BooK, math, Dino}
{BooK, UT, math}
{BooK, HB, Dino}
{BooK, UT, HB}
{BooK, UT, Dino}
{UT, HB, Dino}

Dino 15
UT 15
boo 14
HB 14
Var 10
Reck 7
math 6
Orc 6

Hmmm.

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How so?

Math's results/number for each person is simply probability. It's more likely that certain players are scum based on our investigation results, but it's not a guarantee that any or all three of the top scorers are scum.

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{Book, HB, UT}

Awww yes that's the stuff

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VOTE: Bookitty

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VOTE: UT I do too!

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I'm so sneaky

I haven't seen UT do much of anything all game. I don't really agree with Reck's assessment of a town UT just because he decided to back off. I don't recall UT pushing a single case on anyone, it seems that he's very much go with the flow. For me, he is a good play because I can find out if I am sane or insane. I'd rather ax him personally; I'll admit some bias to receiving a mafia result on him.

School's started up so I might post less.

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DO I LOOK INSANE TO YOU

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I haven't seen UT do much of anything all game.

you're right, but my girl has been in town and I've been working etc.

I have some more time now

That's fair enough, but you still posted a lot.

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VOTE: Honey Bee

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I'm a little busier, my posting is likely to drop (or stay low).

ITT learning how to count to 5 is hard

This also probably means someone should verify mathcams work is actually accurate after we lynvh him VUCK I HATE TYPING ON THISIPAD

Why verify it after we lynch him? If he's scum we probably should ignore it...if he's town then yeah...also we have 7 days why can't we do it now?

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Book: 20

Reck: 10
math: 11
HB : 22
Dino: 22
orc : 9
STD : 18
SK : 0
UT : 18
Var : 14

Can we stop saying mathcam's analysis doesn't support Bookitty as scum? The most likely according to his analysis are {Dino, HB, Book} so his analysis suggest there's a high probability Boo is scum.

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The most likely according to his analysis are {Dino, HB, Book} so his analysis suggest there's a high probability Boo is scum.

You realise that this scumteam requires that Honey bee-scum and Mathdino-scum decided they were going to scumread a townie together? Do you in any way think that's a likely scenario? Really?

I'm not saying that that's the best scum team.

I'm saying that according to mathcam, the most likely scums are Mathdino or Honey bee, then you. (then myself and UT and so on). It's even WORSE for you if you want to say that only one of the two are scum. The point is you're the next highest on his list of probabilities. According to all possible available scum teams, due to our collective results, you are more likely to be scum than most of everyone else, so I don't understand how people keep saying "mathcam's going against his results!" Especially if you want to argue that his top two results can't be scum together.

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VOTE: Bookitty

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Dueling wagons now

du nu nehw nu nehw nu nehw nu nooo...

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VOTE: std Im feeling this.

Also still wanna hear from serra.

Are you given any thought to the puzzle aspect of this?

No? Is it because you're scum?

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With orc's death we find:

SK is confirmed sane.

Varsoon is either sane or scum.

mathcam got mafia on orc but turned up scum.

The people that could still be insane are

STD-mafia on UT
orc -mafia on Boo
Book- not mafia on math
hb- mafia on NS
serra-mafia on NS
farside- ???? on ????

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Actually from that list I know:

orc, farside, and myself aren't scum.

If orc is insane, then boo is insane, which means one of HB or Serra are scum with UT or both of them are scum.

If orc is sane, then boo is scum, which means hb, serra, myself and farside hold 3 insanes among us. If I'm not the insane, the scumteam is {boo, ut, mathcam}. Otherwise it's {boo, mathcam} and one of {reck, varsoon, hb, and serra}.

The alternative is true; finding out if boo is scum or insane tells us if orc is scum or insane, which can help lead us to HB and Serra and to a lesser extent UT if I'm sane.

Boo is either scum or can confirm 2 insanes, both of which seem helpful to me.

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Reck: If orc is insane, bookitty is insane.

If you think myself, book, and orc are insane, then hb and serra both have to be scum.

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VOTE: Honey Bee

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Regardless of where you land, HB, your lynch is pretty informative. You and Serra are likely to be scum.

I didn't talk much about mathcam being scum because I thought he was town. If you want to pretend like I ignored him completely because I suck at playing as scum and don't know how to bus, then fine. I just suck at playing as town and don't know how to tell when mathcam is being scum.

Now that I've rebutted your crappy attack, let's see your rebuttal to mine.

Not really a fake hammer, HB just said I hammered. I was just voting HB.

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Lynching one of HB, Serra, or Boo gives us a ton of info, regardless of their alignment.

Lynching me gives you a good lynch if I'm scum and NO info if I'm town. Lynching me if I'm town (which I am) basically puts us all in the same boat.

I don't really care who's scummy or not at this point, I'm treating this day as a puzzle, not a mafia game.

That's a great reason to lynch you, HB.

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I defended mathcam here btw

Can we stop saying mathcam's analysis doesn't support Bookitty as scum? The most likely according to his analysis are {Dino, HB, Book} so his analysis suggest there's a high probability Boo is scum.

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Also I consider blindly voting me at the start of the day without considering any consequences ridiculous and scummy.

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It's a logic puzzle, that's what dethy is. It is NOT 100% pure mafia.

You eliminate Boo, you find out what she is, that gives us information regardless of her being town or scum.

Don't try to pretend you're some noble paragon of mafia players by saying "oh yeah, a town lynch is always bad." Nah, finding out if people are town or scum can help us, and I also think (though others don't seem to share this opinion) that boo could be scum. Don't pretend you don't understand why lynching boo even if she's town is helpful.

For you if you're town that should be fucking amazing for you, IT PROVES TO YOU THAT SERA IS SCUM. That's an uncertain lynch for a 100% certainty for you.

For scum, this isn't a puzzle. I think scum are more likely to treat this like mafia than town. I think you're a better candidate for scum than serra but I'll vote serra if it comes to that.

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I might be a little too agitated by the fact that this seems solvable, it is not readily solvable, I know.

If Boo is town, then boo is insane, orc is insane, and both HB and Serra would be insane. This is not possible, ergo, if boo is town, Serra would have to be lying about his result if you are scum, and the opposite is true.

I'm trying to bring effort forth to solve the game as best we can, since we have this information available. Going off of scuminess is useful as well and it was erroneous of me to say I'm not doing it at all.

Going purely based off of scuminess and ignoring the info just seems...well...insane to me.

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If she's town, there's 1 scum among me/HB and 1 among UT/std, so that's still 2 coin flips.

Or you both could be scum and I'm the third insane. :3

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I thought people had concluded we wouldn't both claim the same false guilty?

I guess I'm not people then

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Why do people (particularly you, boo) think I'm more likely to be scum than HB? I don't know mathcam, but would he do something as blatant as ask his scumbuddy to vote his counterwagons inthread?

If you are referring to me, I'm currently voting for the person I find scummier between the two of you

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VOTE: Bookitty

Am down, not quite caught up will do so later.

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these are literally the only two outcomes of lynching bookitty:

1. You and Varsoon are confirmed town
2. We lynch scum

I do not understand why this does not appeal to you

hay HB look at this

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these are literally the only two outcomes of lynching bookitty:

1. You and Varsoon are confirmed town
2. We lynch scum

I do not understand why this does not appeal to you

hay HB look at this

i really want you to see this so i'm quoting it again

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these are literally the only two outcomes of lynching bookitty:

1. You and Varsoon are confirmed town
2. We lynch scum

I do not understand why this does not appeal to you

hay HB look at this

i really want you to see this so i'm quoting it again

one more time just in case i mean i know you're scum so the thought of town winning the game doesn't appeal to you but it is what it is

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Actually from that list I know:

orc, farside, and myself aren't scum.

If orc is insane, then boo is insane, which means one of HB or Serra are scum with UT or both of them are scum.

If orc is sane, then boo is scum, which means hb, serra, myself and farside hold 3 insanes among us. If I'm not the insane, the scumteam is {boo, ut, mathcam}. Otherwise it's {boo, mathcam} and one of {reck, varsoon, hb, and serra}.

The alternative is true; finding out if boo is scum or insane tells us if orc is scum or insane, which can help lead us to HB and Serra and to a lesser extent UT if I'm sane.

Boo is either scum or can confirm 2 insanes, both of which seem helpful to me.

Hi boo here is why lynching you is helpful

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You're right, I totally haven't been saying I'd be willing to lynch boo this entire day.

OH WAIT

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what was the basis of this again? It didn't prove to be true I think.

That is a great question

I think I assumed that taking one of the two names with the highest scum parings would narrow down the field. I think I assumed that proving one of you two to be insane vs scum would narrow down the field of who was insane or scum.

Looking at it now I can't really fathom why I thought that.

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The table seems to incriminate STD. :/

how...

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~ farside was insane, and it's one of Mathdino/Honey bee/STD
~ farside was sane, and it's one of Varsoon/Reck

It's pretty much this, I don't see how it leans towards any of us five being more likely to be scum.

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This is kind of off topic but

If you want to lynch me, please do it now, I don't want to get mislynched in lylo. It's already happened 2 times since I got returned this summer, one of them was in MwaT 1. I am not confident in my lylo game as town at all and I know I've been all over the place in this game.

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Anyway, I think it's got to be one of {HB and Serra} if it was Reck or Varsoon all along then damn. We'll probably want to reassess what we do when we get to 3, not just blindly plan our next two lynches, but for now I'll try and pick one of the two I'd prefer. I originally though HB but I want to look back at both.

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Hopefully we can vote out the last scum here and not do lylo.

I don't want to go to lylo

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STD's posts today are also really lame tho...

That's a pretty lame post way of putting it

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While highly unlikely we're going to encounter a 4 scum, there's nothing in the rules that specifically states there's 3 scum so I don't know if we'll get a deadline change.

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oh duh

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Haven't done my read back, lot easier to post "oh duh" than look back through the thread and analyze stuff

busy...will try to do it soon.

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I don't know when I'm going to get to it, to be honest, and it's not going to really be gamechanging, it'll just really be me deciding if I want to hammer or not.

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why am I getting lynched tomorrow if you're lynched today

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I don't know when I'm going to get to it, to be honest, and it's not going to really be gamechanging, it'll just really be me deciding if I want to hammer or not.

Its important to me because I want to see how you've interpret what I've seen.

Also cuz I don't wanna go to lylo.

I'm just saying don't get your hopes up. I will probably do it this morning though.

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why am I getting lynched tomorrow if you're lynched today

Because no one is interested in Varsoon, Reck is probably town, and you look worse than hb.

I don't think hb's play yesterday makes any sense as scum with boo.

So I should just lynch you because you're the only plausible scum?

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Really tempted to vote you to save me the effort.

*sigh*

I'll get on it now.

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I think reading through mathcam's ISO with the knowledge that he's scum with boo gives pretty good evidence for both hb and me being town.

If this is the case it's Reck or Var and we've already pretty much lost which is exactly what I'm scared of happening in lylo I'm going to get fucking mislynched again I don't know how to play lylo so that doesn't happen.

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Scum:Honey Bee, NS, Orcinus
Sane: Dino, Boo, Reck, UT, math
Insane: STD, Skrew, Varsoon

Here's another:

Scum: Dino, NS, Varsoon
Sane: UT, Skrew, HB, Reck, Boo
Insane: mathcam, Orc, STD

FU mathcam you put them both in your potential scum example

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Klazam votes boo, Boo talks about her votes in a general sense, it's possible she's avoiding talking directly to her partner.

Mathdino picks out SK, Klazam(himself), Varsoon, and Bookitty. He omit's Bookitty's vote and anounces he forgot to quote it.

If he's scum, he could have felt safe knowing he already picked out scum in Bookitty. (If town, well, I guess he was right).

The way he's treated Boo as confirmed scum in his eyes is a little strange. It's a little early for him to be bussing her, at the same time there is a confidence there.

Mathdino comes up with a lot of town reads, it does narrow the field a bit if he's scum.

Mathdino's readlist post in 241 spends a lot of time asking the same questions of lots of people. He's pushing flames while mainly pushing Bookitty.

Mathcam: I see from you a lot of noise about how to play the game but not much else. What is your views overall of everyone?

Edit: Lol that's the opposite of what I see from mathcam.

defends mathcam

One partner is town, one partner is scum sort of strategy.

Mathdino decides to go with the person below, which is something I thought about (actually I think I ended up doing that anyway though that wasn't my intention). Didn't mathcam suggest that? Isn't that a dangerous strategy for dethy?

Dino got mafia on NS, so we're one of the insanes.

This confidence kind of feels forced, like someone poked him in the scumthread with the result or he saw it before making his post.

The problem I have with mathcam being scum is that the person he works best with is, by far, boo, which I really don't see, since they would be weirdly cross-bussing AND boo would have decided to claim an inno on her scumbuddy. On that note, I'm also not a huge fan of boo voting against her inno.

Possible to try and bus Boo and make mathcam look good.

I still think boo is likely scum, except her and mathcam crossvoting at the end of yesterday is giving me pause.

Assuming that I'm town (or actually just assuming either hb OR I is town), boo has a 71% chance of being scum.

Interesting






My only real problem with Honey Bee is she just jumps out of the gate like "hey I'm ignoring the puzzle aspect of this and just attacking STD"

If town y u do dat

Instead of getting any acknowledgement of that I kind of got railed by you. Granted I was kind of being a dick but even when I'm being a dick I'm not doing it to be a dick I'm doing it to try and get an answer.

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VOTE: Serrpaladin

God I hope this ends the game.

No I'm not waiting for your responses I don't care I'm tired and want to go home and am sad I'm going to die and lose the game tomorrow.

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VOTE: Honey bee

Well this is easy for me, Honey bee is the only possible scum according to my chart. I should have listened to my gut. Coming out the gate coming after me paying absolutely no mind to the puzzle element...

If you have any questions, Reck, I'll answer them, other than that I'm just going to step back.

Farside, myself, and serra were the insanes.

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Sorry I guess it wasn't clear

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This is how I will respond to any question against me by you, btw.

Don't try to be silly and still continue to ignore the fact that this is dethy and there's logic involved. I know you have been that way the entire game because you're scum and you haven't needed too. Well, I'm town, so I've been trying to solve this damn game.

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Are you seriously going to make me...

http://gyazo.com/5ba6046be572be1cdfc7094802627a49

FUCK

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Reck no

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damnit.

You hate Lylos, this is the third fucking time I've lost the game because I've been mislynched at Lylo in the past few months

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Um no

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We lost

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I am not scum.

I don't see how it could be reck though.

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Was it reck?

I'm so fucking dumb

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Dude please I fucked up I'm sorry

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I feel like shit

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farside was sane

fuck I screwed up.

i'm sorry honey bee.

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damnit why was I so stupid

it doesn't matter I guess, I didn't think it was Reck and I was convinced it was you regardless

though the fact Varsoon was the one who died should have tipped me off.

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hey I'm really sorry I lost it for you all

but I seriously feel like shit already

it seriously does not feel good to have my last three lylos end in failure

especially this one when I already fucking know it's my fault

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i'm just tired this morning and stressed out about other things.

i'm sorry i should have been calmer.

Congrats reck, mathcam, and boo

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This is very exciting. It's half of a mini-reunion from Oldy Mafia 2. STD vengeance will be mine.*

* Yeah, you heard me, STD. When you're reading this after the game, you can reflect on how your chances were doomed right from the very start. Tough luck, bud.

Guess it really wasn't my fault after all. Clearly I was doomed from the start.