Mini 1638: Mafia lottery - GG
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In post 16, 2birds1stone wrote:Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)
I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).
So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.
VOTE: 2birds1stone-
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In post 249, Vote Overflow wrote:
Is there a way to divide up your points between players upon death? I think working with eyesott halfway here is a good course of action but have no ideas on how to really implement that.
-flub
Maybe 3 or 4 players will their points to Eye and the rest will theirs to someone else?-
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In post 250, Heartless wrote:oh joy, there's a claimed 3p?
And maybe and unclaimed 2nd mafia faction.-
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In post 301, Dechs Kaison wrote:In post 247, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 16, 2birds1stone wrote:Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)
I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).
So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.
VOTE: 2birds1stone
Again, read the power. It's one time use, on toMorrow only. Handing them a double vote tomorrow is no threat if we all agree not to try for it. That way, we know town didn't try to win and anyone who doublevotes is scum.
Not that it really matters now because Eyes is going to steal it.
It's a lame gambit. Anything that can give either side an advantage should be used by Town.
Your desire to help Scum is clear.-
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In post 309, House wrote:In post 307, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 301, Dechs Kaison wrote:In post 247, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 16, 2birds1stone wrote:Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)
I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).
So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.
VOTE: 2birds1stone
Again, read the power. It's one time use, on toMorrow only. Handing them a double vote tomorrow is no threat if we all agree not to try for it. That way, we know town didn't try to win and anyone who doublevotes is scum.
Not that it really matters now because Eyes is going to steal it.
It's a lame gambit. Anything that can give either side an advantage should be used by Town.
Your desire to help Scum is clear.
Strong accusation to not be followed up with a vote.
I think you're being pretty reachy trying to find a reason to discredit town.
VOTE: KlingonCelt
House, don't be a dumbass. I voted for the first player to come up with that bad idea.-
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In post 328, 2birds1stone wrote:
I thought I made this abundantly clear, but the raffles I requested abstinance from can help scum, but can only help them if they publicly display these roles. By letting scum have them for free, we turn these powers into scumclaims.
OR, we can use those raffles to empower Town. Too sensible?
Klingon was a huge lurker last game, so I can't talk much about him (uh, her?)
Her. And I won't be posting lots this or any other game for a while, too much r/l going on.-
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In post 356, PeaceBringer wrote:so moving off eyestott
we should probably have more discussion regarding raffles but not too much as do not want scum to have a good idea of who may do what...
???
I'm going to leave it at all Townies should get into the raffles, but use common sense and don't blow all your points in one day.
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This early on I don't have lots to say.
I voted for 2Birds because he wants to hand the lottery to scum.
House's game is off, but I can't pin down what's bugging me about it. Is he the other 3rd party?
There's something about Mathblade that's not right as well.
I see no need to lynch Eye today. Later, maybe.-
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In post 406, SilverWolf wrote:House, You are basically FoSing and voting every single person that suspects you House. Every single time. You did it with Dechs. You did it with Mathblade. You did it with PeaceBringer. Now you are doing it with me.
This is not town House who doesn't give a fuck. This is House with bad cases, constant OMGUS and super defensive attitude. You game is way off.
Is he a Jester (with anger issues)?-
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Could make you neutral 3rd party...
Anyway, have a drink and get lots of rest. Stress takes a lot out of a person.-
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In post 423, House wrote:In post 421, Klingoncelt wrote:@House, If you're willing to relocate, I know a very reputable trucking company that would be glad to have your resume. Close to Nosmo King's place.
I appreciate the concern, but I don't think you understood what I meant by "I'm no longer driving".
However, that is irrelevant to this game. I'd be happy to discuss it with you in my GTKAS or some other, more appropriate venue.
Understood.
Another venue.-
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You got that right.
Insurance should provide the option of having plastic hearts installed. Or a dimmer switch on our emotions, at least.-
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In post 454, PeaceBringer wrote:where I come from we have an "antisuicide block" and anyone who tries to appear like they don't care and pulls the tantrum self-vote antics (And yes I have done it both town and scum) is summarily lynched.
I read over the House ISO and plenty I just don't agree with and some I just originally skimmed on over so there is a chance I am attending to and reacting to individual differences. I could also go back to voting Strangecoug, but heh, who listens to me...
Where we come from House is aggro as Town, friendly as Scum.-
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In post 449, SilverWolf wrote:In post 447, Klingoncelt wrote:MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.
How is she abnormally defensive and how does that make her scum? I'm having trouble reading her right now.
Nevermind, she explains it in post 349:
Hey guys --- sorry about yesterday. I just was frustrated about something out of game and I think I took it out here on the thread. My apologies.
I still think not lynching the 3P is a stupid decision but I should have not gone off the rails like that.
Apparently r/l is getting to several of us.
Math's usually pretty easygoing, and she's usually Town. My mistake. She's back to null now.-
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In post 469, SilverWolf wrote:In post 452, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 447, Klingoncelt wrote:MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.
so does commenting on the votepark make the votecount more suspect or less, discussion anyone?
I'm not sure I liked this statement by Klingoncelt because she is calling out someone she thinks is scum, later retracted, but at the same time says she will be voteparked on someone else she thinks as scum. Not really caring for it to be honest. Not enough to switch my vote, but just something I am taking note of for now. It seems like she is leaving her options open here.
Okay, I say someone looks scummy, but I'm voteparked on someone else. Let's do the math - is there only 1 scum? Do we FoS only 1 player at a time?
No.
I say someone looks scummy but I'm voteparked on someone else. Wolfie says I look scummy but she's not changing her vote.
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In post 479, SilverWolf wrote:In post 475, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 469, SilverWolf wrote:In post 452, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 447, Klingoncelt wrote:MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.
so does commenting on the votepark make the votecount more suspect or less, discussion anyone?
I'm not sure I liked this statement by Klingoncelt because she is calling out someone she thinks is scum, later retracted, but at the same time says she will be voteparked on someone else she thinks as scum. Not really caring for it to be honest. Not enough to switch my vote, but just something I am taking note of for now. It seems like she is leaving her options open here.
Okay, I say someone looks scummy, but I'm voteparked on someone else. Let's do the math - is there only 1 scum? Do we FoS only 1 player at a time?
No.
I say someone looks scummy but I'm voteparked on someone else. Wolfie says I look scummy but she's not changing her vote.
Really?
Stop with the misrep. We can point out something someone says that we don't like without voting for them. I never said you were scum. You straight out called someone scum and then said you were voteparked elsewhere. I have no reason to change my vote to you for that alone. Do not twist my words around because that only makes you look worse.
People need to calm the fuck down in this game. What the fuck.
Anyway, there's nothing in the rules against suspecting multiple players while voting for just one.
And I've moved Math to null for now.
But for future reference, I don't like bouncing votes. I like to stay on my strongest suspect while continuing to hunt others.
And calling that a scumtell doesn't look good...-
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In post 480, House wrote:
Klingoncelt: Scum
307, 328, 355 - Calling for a ban on doublevoter tickets really ruffled her feathers
For two reasons:
1) Giving the bonuses to Mafia is unspeakably stupid. It makes them stronger. It leaves us weaker.
2) Did anyone advocating the stupid plan actually think about it?
"If Scum wins they'll use their power and it will out them."
Like hell it will. If they win Bodyguard they die. If they're Neighborizer or Detective, it's a fucking night action. The double vote might have to go through PM and also be unseen by other players.
Anyone wanting to give these powers to Scum is Scum.
405 - D1 and she doesn't have much to say? That's scum behavior. D1 is when town knows absolutely nothing. She should have 1000 questions. Avoiding posting prevents providing information to town.
When have I ever had much to say on Day 1? When? Never. I'm reading what everyone else says, seeing who's going to lead the game, and what direction it will go. I post less when I don't know most of the players.
410, 415, 417 - Hunting for 3P. Why would I not be scum according to her in those posts? Because she knows I'm not.
I know you're not scum because you're playing your town game.
You've been in multiball games with me. I always look for 3rd party.
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Fixed.
In post 480, House wrote:
Klingoncelt: Scum
307, 328, 355 - Calling for a ban on doublevoter tickets really ruffled her feathers
For two reasons:
1) Giving the bonuses to Mafia is unspeakably stupid. It makes them stronger. It leaves us weaker.
2) Did anyone advocating the stupid plan actually think about it?
"If Scum wins they'll use their power and it will out them."
Like hell it will. If they win Bodyguard they die. If they're Neighborizer or Detective, it's a fucking night action. The double vote might have to go through PM and also be unseen by other players.
Anyone wanting to give these powers to Scum is Scum.
405 - D1 and she doesn't have much to say? That's scum behavior. D1 is when town knows absolutely nothing. She should have 1000 questions. Avoiding posting prevents providing information to town.
When have I ever had much to say on Day 1? When? Never. I'm reading what everyone else says, seeing who's going to lead the game, and what direction it will go. I post less when I don't know most of the players.
410, 415, 417 - Hunting for 3P. Why would I not be scum according to her in those posts? Because she knows I'm not.
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I know you're not scum because you're playing your town game.
You've been in multiball games with me. I always look for 3rd party.
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In post 483, House wrote:In post 481, SilverWolf wrote:@House-Why don't you unvote yourself and vote for one of your scum suspects?
I'll do a similar reads list later when I have time.
Because my reads are not complete.
I will most likely be voting for one of 2b1s or Klingon, but I'm not at a point where I'm happy making a decision just yet.
Vote for 2birds. He's scum.-
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In post 493, House wrote:
Nobody was advocating giving pro-town powers like investigator or body guard to scum, you are being disingenuous.
Read the description of the double-voter raffle.
You're flailing.
Read post 16. 2Birds wanted to leave the lotto draws to scum only.
Only problem with your response here is that you were hunting me for being 3P in those posts, so you obviously weren't believing I was playing my town game.
I'm unconvinced.
You weren't playing your usual town game. It was a bit off. Now that I know r/l affected your play, I think you're Town. Remember how I refused to hammer you post 430?-
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You'll have to excuse the fukkin' quotes, I've got a houseful of loud anddistractingpeople.
Fixed?
In post 493, House wrote:
Nobody was advocating giving pro-town powers like investigator or body guard to scum, you are being disingenuous.
Read the description of the double-voter raffle.
You're flailing.
Read post 16. 2Birds wanted to leave the lotto draws to scum only.
Only problem with your response here is that you were hunting me for being 3P in those posts, so you obviously weren't believing I was playing my town game.
I'm unconvinced.
You weren't playing your usual town game. It was a bit off. Now that I know r/l affected your play, I think you're Town. Remember how I refused to hammer you post 430?-
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In post 495, House wrote:
Precisely! My game was off and you were suspicious of me... but you weren't suspicious of me as scum, you were suspicious of me as third party.
That's my very point!
Everyone suspected you. My vote would have been hammer. I don't suspect you now. Have some coffee.-
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In post 497, House wrote:2b1s was telling people not to buy tickets for doublevoter or neighborizer.
If you're town, pay closer attention & don't be afraid to admit to miscomprehension.
How can Neighborizer be a scumtell? Scum can neighbor themselves and Town would never know.
BUT if a Townie could neighborize, assuming they pick a strong townread, they'd be as good as Masons.
Do we really want Mafia to have double votes? Is the second vote public? Or is it sent to Ika by PM???-
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In post 502, House wrote:
Town Klingoncelt would have gotten my point about how she was suspecting me as 3P instead of scum by now.
I has a serious sadness, here.
Don't worry, be happy.
I could tell by your post style that you aren't Mafia. However, there was an edginess there - others saw it too, not just me - that I couldn't pin down, making me think maybe it was a 3P thing. Now that I know it's r/l, I think you're Town.
(R/L has been sucky for a bunch of us lately. Must be a bad planetary alignment or a couple of fool moons or something.)-
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In post 503, House wrote:In post 501, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 497, House wrote:2b1s was telling people not to buy tickets for doublevoter or neighborizer.
If you're town, pay closer attention & don't be afraid to admit to miscomprehension.
How can Neighborizer be a scumtell? Scum can neighbor themselves and Town would never know.
BUT if a Townie could neighborize, assuming they pick a strong townread, they'd be as good as Masons.
Do we really want Mafia to have double votes? Is the second vote public? Or is it sent to Ika by PM???
Right. Scum would neighborize scum, because it's helpful having 2 scumchats.
Stop being so disingenuous andread the raffle description of double-voter.
At this point I'm thinking 2b1s & Klingoncelt needs to be our first two lynches.
They would have two scumchats. Why? Because they'd know that neighborizing a Townie would out them, ffs.
That still works to Scum's advantage, as it denies Town a shot at neighborizing.-
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In post 504, Grib wrote:Klingoncelt is either flailing or derping hardcore.
Or maybe, justmaybeI'm looking at all the possibilities.-
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In post 523, Dechs Kaison wrote:In post 508, Klingoncelt wrote:And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.
Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?
VOTE: Klingoncelt
Dechs, I'm Town.
I bought a couple tickets as soon as the game started. That doesn't make me scum. It doesn't point to anyone else that bought tickets as being scum, either.
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In post 512, eyestott wrote:2 tickets is the income for a town.
You said you started with 0 tickets, right?
I can say that House is right, we can earn 2 tickets per day/night phase, but Town started off with 5.-
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In post 524, eyestott wrote:In post 508, Klingoncelt wrote:And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.
Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?
I really don't like this. What town motivation is there to everyone telling people how many tickets they bought?
I said how many I bought. I asked othersifthey bought any. It's a yes or no question.-
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In post 530, Dechs Kaison wrote:No, it points to people NOT spending points as scum.
"Did anyone else buy any or do you want scum to win?"
In one sentence, you:
1. Accuse anyone of not spending their points as scum.
2. Encourage townies to spend points now.
3. Encourage townies to come forward with how many points they've spent.
4. Appeal to the "I'm a townie because I don't want scum to win. See? I spent points and you should, too."
Sorry. None of that comes from a town mindset. You can hang now.
You're either very noob or very scum.
Have you ever gambled in your life? Ever?
Rule #1: You can't win if you don't play.
If Townies don't play, it's guaranteed that Scum will win the drawings. Don't you get that?
In an earlier post I clearly said to use common sense and not spend all your points at once.
Rule #2: Never put more than half your money on the table.
I never encouraged anyone to say how much they spent. I asked them IF they spent. IF.
I don't do appeals. My girlie balls are way too big for that. I'm telling Town to not fucking hand the game over to Scum on the first day.-
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In post 536, eyestott wrote:Klingoncelt, why did you not ask ika about how the DV works?
I've asked how it works, and it's not how you banked on.
It just adds weight to your public vote.
I find it bad that you didn't bother to clarify a point with the Gm before basing an argument on it.
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In post 541, Klingoncelt wrote:I didn't ask because when one gets to be my age one gets used to waiting to find out. From what I've seen, a single-player double vote is usually PMed to the mod. Not always, though.
But I did finally ask in post 521.-
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In post 544, ika wrote:In post 538, eyestott wrote:Just for clarification, and so everyone doesn't have to take my word:
how will the doublevote work?
The double vote works exactly as it sounds: the player will have 2 votes for the next day phase
So basicly they are a double voter (they may not split their vote)
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In post 547, eyestott wrote:How does this change your opinion on DV?
Well, if a Scum were the only ones buying tickets, then yeah, they'd be very much outed, in which case they wouldn't be stupid enough to use it.
But it still denies Town a chance of a double vote.
Now you say you're taking it.
I haven't played in any games with you before, so I don't know how accurate you are. I have to say I am concerned that you might accidentally L1/hammer a PR.-
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In post 549, Dechs Kaison wrote:Town doesn't need a double vote. We already outnumber scum with the votes. Realistically, a doublevote is probably a liability. It means one less townie that needs to be fooled into a mislynch.
If town agrees not to spend our tickets on it, the doublevote becomes a hard scum tell if it's used (they won't) and useless if they spend their tickets on it.
Do you think they will buy tickets since it's been openly discussed here in front of them?
I was in a game with two wagons, tied until FORTY-FIVE SECONDS before deadline. (That game still haunts me.) That doublevote might come in handy.-
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In post 551, House wrote:In post 528, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 523, Dechs Kaison wrote:In post 508, Klingoncelt wrote:And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.
Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?
VOTE: Klingoncelt
Dechs, I'm Town.
I bought a couple tickets as soon as the game started. That doesn't make me scum. It doesn't point to anyone else that bought tickets as being scum, either.
Your vote sucks.
Nice try, but by saying you bought "x" amount of tickets, it could get other players to tell how many tickets they bought (and maybe even where they spent them) in a conversation about the subject.
There's zero town motivation behind your post, but scum motivation is there.
Bullshit.
Some of you are trying way to hard to fit a square peg into a round hole.-
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In post 556, Dechs Kaison wrote:And there goes that idea. Welp.
Actually, House, good call. I like where you're going with that.
I don't understand why you won't be voting for anyone tomorrow if he wins the double vote power.
Hold the phone!!!
So if House wins he's automatically Town. But my saying everyone should play a couple points is scummy. Dechs, I'm starting to not like you as Town.-
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In post 584, eyestott wrote:Okay, I just want to get some things on record.
Everyone, regardless of how obvious you may think youve been, please answer these questions. Be concise.
1: Do you believe I am 3P or scum?
3P
2: Which of the following things do you believe I am telling the truth about?
a: That my win condition is to get 12 points and survive, or to get 15 points
b: That the mafia raffles for today are a factional kill and a roleblock
c: That I start with 0 points
d: That I can rig a raffle
e: That I cannot participate in the raffle
f: That I know how many Town players there are (9)
g: That I get 1 point for a town lynch, 3 points for a scum lynch, and 1 point for surviving each day
h: That I have a 1-shot after death ability that allows me to gain points equal to the amount of points on one raffle of my choice
i: That i have no abilities I have not mentioned
j: That I have an X-shot Bulletproof
k: That i will win the DV raffle with ticket 21
b, c, f, g. d, e, and k are a bit contradictory, no?
3: Do you believe that scum would want to keep me alive or dead?
Dead.
4: Even if you dont trust me, are you willing to work with me?
For now...
5: If you could lynch me at this very second, would you do so?
No
6: if you think I am 3P, do you believe I am trying to be pro-town?
No, you must play toyour ownwin condition.
7: If you had to ask me one question, what would it be?
Who do you think are the Scum/other 3rd Party?
8: If I have been 100% truthful about my role, do you believe I would scumside in a mylo/lylo where I dont have enough points to win with scum?
If... then no.
9: If I have been 100% truthful about my role, do you believe it is better for the town to lynch me right now, or wait until I have given more information to lynch me?
I'm willing to wait. But I'm not willing to get tiny bits of carrots on sticks.
10: If the information has been correct, how useful do you think my information has been? (mafia raffles, possibility of multiball, amount of town players, etc)
If... then moderately. But we don't know the "if" part yet. Ad while the information's nice, ultimately we need the names of the Scum. Lynching Scum is Town's win condition.-
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In post 700, Heartless wrote:grib and peacebringer
Grib is Brian Skies now.
Day 1 lynches are almost always Town. Day 2 lynches as well. I'm no happier about it than you are.
We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.-
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In post 703, SilverWolf wrote:In post 702, Klingoncelt wrote:
We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.
So are you saying you think eyestott could be scum?
Technically, yes. But we can lynch him anytime. Let's see how he acts today.-
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In post 708, Heartless wrote:CONJUNCTION
JUNCTION
WHAT'S YOUR
DYSFUNCTION?
In post 702, Klingoncelt wrote:Grib is Brian Skies now.
Day 1 lynches are almost always Town. Day 2 lynches as well. I'm no happier about it than you are.
We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.
ok, are we playing to win here or are we playing to lose? i don't get it.
why are we not lynching the claimed non-town that's obviously being shielded by scum?
at best: he really is 3p and scum see him as one of their assets and at worst: he's really fakeclaiming scum
who are your picks for scum, then, klingon?
SilverWolf so far.-
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In post 717, Vote Overflow wrote:I think what Pine is saying is that you can append any set of logic you want to your lynch pool but it doesn't give it much validity because the odds are still mathematically stacked in your favor.
Also klingon why is silverwolf scum?
-flub
She isn't posting like mad and when she does post it's not lengthy and detailed. Her meta scumtells.
VOTE: SilverWolf-
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In post 726, SilverWolf wrote:
Have you done a meta check on how I post here or are you basing this off USMB?
This vote came out of nowhere and your reasons are pretty weak.
I don't really care for your play D2 so far and I didn't really care for it D1 either.
Why are you acting so strange?
I've been following all of the old crew.
Not nowhere, I re-read Day 1.
That's cool, to each her own.
??? What am I doing that's strange?