Mini 1638: Mafia lottery - GG

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Petrified Forest

because I never voted for a hydra before.

[Klingoncelt]

Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)

I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).

So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.

VOTE: 2birds1stone

[Klingoncelt]

Is there a way to divide up your points between players upon death? I think working with eyesott halfway here is a good course of action but have no ideas on how to really implement that.

-flub

Maybe 3 or 4 players will their points to Eye and the rest will theirs to someone else?

[Klingoncelt]

oh joy, there's a claimed 3p?

And maybe and unclaimed 2nd mafia faction.

[Klingoncelt]

And maybe and unclaimed 2nd mafia faction.

................ AN, not and......................

[Klingoncelt]

Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)

I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).

So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.

VOTE: 2birds1stone

Again, read the power. It's one time use, on toMorrow only. Handing them a double vote tomorrow is no threat if we all agree not to try for it. That way, we know town didn't try to win and anyone who doublevotes is scum.

Not that it really matters now because Eyes is going to steal it.

It's a lame gambit. Anything that can give either side an advantage should be used by Town.

Your desire to help Scum is clear.

[Klingoncelt]

Doublevote is the only power in the raffle which benefits scum (and perhaps Neighbourize for particularly charismatic scum players)

I'm kinda tempted to suggest we all deny scum the chance at using these powers by agreeing not to enter their raffles (scum still have the potential for D2 quickhammer, but that'll just confirm them as scum).

So if we don't enter their raffles they'll automatically win. Good idea. Ohwaitno.

VOTE: 2birds1stone

Again, read the power. It's one time use, on toMorrow only. Handing them a double vote tomorrow is no threat if we all agree not to try for it. That way, we know town didn't try to win and anyone who doublevotes is scum.

Not that it really matters now because Eyes is going to steal it.

It's a lame gambit. Anything that can give either side an advantage should be used by Town.

Your desire to help Scum is clear.

Strong accusation to not be followed up with a vote.

I think you're being pretty reachy trying to find a reason to discredit town.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

House, don't be a dumbass. I voted for the first player to come up with that bad idea.

[Klingoncelt]

Ooops, nevermind.

I reply to posts as I get to them.

[Klingoncelt]

Tired, going to bed now. Good night, kids, don't make any messes while I'm gone.

[Klingoncelt]

I thought I made this abundantly clear, but the raffles I requested abstinance from can help scum, but can only help them if they publicly display these roles. By letting scum have them for free, we turn these powers into scumclaims.

OR, we can use those raffles to empower Town. Too sensible?

Klingon was a huge lurker last game, so I can't talk much about him (uh, her?)

Her. And I won't be posting lots this or any other game for a while, too much r/l going on.

[Klingoncelt]

so moving off eyestott
we should probably have more discussion regarding raffles but not too much as do not want scum to have a good idea of who may do what...

???

I'm going to leave it at all Townies should get into the raffles, but use common sense and don't blow all your points in one day.

That pretty much covers the raffles I think.

[Klingoncelt]

... Klingon has done nothing I can read.

This early on I don't have lots to say.

I voted for 2Birds because he wants to hand the lottery to scum.

House's game is off, but I can't pin down what's bugging me about it. Is he the other 3rd party?

There's something about Mathblade that's not right as well.

I see no need to lynch Eye today. Later, maybe.

[Klingoncelt]

House, You are basically FoSing and voting every single person that suspects you House. Every single time. You did it with Dechs. You did it with Mathblade. You did it with PeaceBringer. Now you are doing it with me.

This is not town House who doesn't give a fuck. This is House with bad cases, constant OMGUS and super defensive attitude. You game is way off.

Is he a Jester (with anger issues)?

[Klingoncelt]

I think he just claimed.

[Klingoncelt]

None of that makes me either scum or town.

Could make you neutral 3rd party...

Anyway, have a drink and get lots of rest. Stress takes a lot out of a person.

[Klingoncelt]

@House, If you're willing to relocate, I know a very reputable trucking company that would be glad to have your resume. Close to Nosmo King's place.

[Klingoncelt]

@House, If you're willing to relocate, I know a very reputable trucking company that would be glad to have your resume. Close to Nosmo King's place.

I appreciate the concern, but I don't think you understood what I meant by "I'm no longer driving".

However, that is irrelevant to this game. I'd be happy to discuss it with you in my GTKAS or some other, more appropriate venue.

Understood.

Another venue.

[Klingoncelt]

Fuck it.

VOTE: House

Lynch me then. idgaf anymore.

No.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm learning to ignore my heart. It's naught but a fount of pain.

You got that right.

Insurance should provide the option of having plastic hearts installed. Or a dimmer switch on our emotions, at least.

[Klingoncelt]

MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.

[Klingoncelt]

where I come from we have an "antisuicide block" and anyone who tries to appear like they don't care and pulls the tantrum self-vote antics (And yes I have done it both town and scum) is summarily lynched.
I read over the House ISO and plenty I just don't agree with and some I just originally skimmed on over so there is a chance I am attending to and reacting to individual differences. I could also go back to voting Strangecoug, but heh, who listens to me...

Where we come from House is aggro as Town, friendly as Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.

How is she abnormally defensive and how does that make her scum? I'm having trouble reading her right now.

Nevermind, she explains it in post 349:

Hey guys --- sorry about yesterday. I just was frustrated about something out of game and I think I took it out here on the thread. My apologies.
I still think not lynching the 3P is a stupid decision but I should have not gone off the rails like that.

Apparently r/l is getting to several of us.

Math's usually pretty easygoing, and she's usually Town. My mistake. She's back to null now.

[Klingoncelt]

MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.

so does commenting on the votepark make the votecount more suspect or less, discussion anyone?

I'm not sure I liked this statement by Klingoncelt because she is calling out someone she thinks is scum, later retracted, but at the same time says she will be voteparked on someone else she thinks as scum. Not really caring for it to be honest. Not enough to switch my vote, but just something I am taking note of for now. It seems like she is leaving her options open here.

Okay, I say someone looks scummy, but I'm voteparked on someone else. Let's do the math - is there only 1 scum? Do we FoS only 1 player at a time?

No.

I say someone looks scummy but I'm voteparked on someone else. Wolfie says I look scummy but she's not changing her vote.

Really?

[Klingoncelt]

MathBlade, you're abnormally defensive. I think you're scum. I'm voteparked on 2Birds for now, though.

so does commenting on the votepark make the votecount more suspect or less, discussion anyone?

I'm not sure I liked this statement by Klingoncelt because she is calling out someone she thinks is scum, later retracted, but at the same time says she will be voteparked on someone else she thinks as scum. Not really caring for it to be honest. Not enough to switch my vote, but just something I am taking note of for now. It seems like she is leaving her options open here.

Okay, I say someone looks scummy, but I'm voteparked on someone else. Let's do the math - is there only 1 scum? Do we FoS only 1 player at a time?

No.

I say someone looks scummy but I'm voteparked on someone else. Wolfie says I look scummy but she's not changing her vote.

Really?

Stop with the misrep. We can point out something someone says that we don't like without voting for them. I never said you were scum. You straight out called someone scum and then said you were voteparked elsewhere. I have no reason to change my vote to you for that alone. Do not twist my words around because that only makes you look worse.

People need to calm the fuck down in this game. What the fuck.

Anyway, there's nothing in the rules against suspecting multiple players while voting for just one.


And I've moved Math to null for now.


But for future reference, I don't like bouncing votes. I like to stay on my strongest suspect while continuing to hunt others.

And calling that a scumtell doesn't look good...

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt

: Scum
307, 328, 355 - Calling for a ban on doublevoter tickets really ruffled her feathers

For two reasons:

1) Giving the bonuses to Mafia is unspeakably stupid. It makes them stronger. It leaves us weaker.

2) Did anyone advocating the stupid plan actually think about it?

"If Scum wins they'll use their power and it will out them."

Like hell it will. If they win Bodyguard they die. If they're Neighborizer or Detective, it's a fucking night action. The double vote might have to go through PM and also be unseen by other players.

Anyone wanting to give these powers to Scum is Scum.

405 - D1 and she doesn't have much to say? That's scum behavior. D1 is when town knows absolutely nothing. She should have 1000 questions. Avoiding posting prevents providing information to town.

When have I ever had much to say on Day 1? When? Never. I'm reading what everyone else says, seeing who's going to lead the game, and what direction it will go. I post less when I don't know most of the players.

410, 415, 417 - Hunting for 3P. Why would I not be scum according to her in those posts? Because she knows I'm not.

I know you're not scum because you're playing your town game.

You've been in multiball games with me. I always look for 3rd party.


Readfail.
Try again.

[Klingoncelt]

Fixed.

Klingoncelt

: Scum
307, 328, 355 - Calling for a ban on doublevoter tickets really ruffled her feathers

For two reasons:

1) Giving the bonuses to Mafia is unspeakably stupid. It makes them stronger. It leaves us weaker.

2) Did anyone advocating the stupid plan actually think about it?

"If Scum wins they'll use their power and it will out them."

Like hell it will. If they win Bodyguard they die. If they're Neighborizer or Detective, it's a fucking night action. The double vote might have to go through PM and also be unseen by other players.

Anyone wanting to give these powers to Scum is Scum.

405 - D1 and she doesn't have much to say? That's scum behavior. D1 is when town knows absolutely nothing. She should have 1000 questions. Avoiding posting prevents providing information to town.

When have I ever had much to say on Day 1? When? Never. I'm reading what everyone else says, seeing who's going to lead the game, and what direction it will go. I post less when I don't know most of the players.

410, 415, 417 - Hunting for 3P. Why would I not be scum according to her in those posts? Because she knows I'm not.
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I know you're not scum because you're playing your town game.

You've been in multiball games with me. I always look for 3rd party.


Readfail.
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[Klingoncelt]

Okay, not fixed, but you can figure it out.

[Klingoncelt]

@House-Why don't you unvote yourself and vote for one of your scum suspects?

I'll do a similar reads list later when I have time.

Because my reads are not complete.

I will most likely be voting for one of 2b1s or Klingon, but I'm not at a point where I'm happy making a decision just yet.

Vote for 2birds. He's scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Nobody was advocating giving pro-town powers like investigator or body guard to scum, you are being disingenuous.

Read the description of the double-voter raffle.

You're flailing.

Read post 16. 2Birds wanted to leave the lotto draws to scum only.

Only problem with your response here is that you were hunting me for being 3P in those posts, so you obviously weren't believing I was playing my town game.

I'm unconvinced.

You weren't playing your usual town game. It was a bit off. Now that I know r/l affected your play, I think you're Town. Remember how I refused to hammer you post 430?

[Klingoncelt]

You'll have to excuse the fukkin' quotes, I've got a houseful of loud and

distracting

people.

Fixed?

Nobody was advocating giving pro-town powers like investigator or body guard to scum, you are being disingenuous.

Read the description of the double-voter raffle.

You're flailing.

Read post 16. 2Birds wanted to leave the lotto draws to scum only.

Only problem with your response here is that you were hunting me for being 3P in those posts, so you obviously weren't believing I was playing my town game.

I'm unconvinced.

You weren't playing your usual town game. It was a bit off. Now that I know r/l affected your play, I think you're Town. Remember how I refused to hammer you post 430?

[Klingoncelt]

Precisely! My game was off and you were suspicious of me... but you weren't suspicious of me as scum, you were suspicious of me as third party.

That's my very point!

Everyone suspected you. My vote would have been hammer. I don't suspect you now. Have some coffee.

[Klingoncelt]

2b1s was telling people not to buy tickets for doublevoter or neighborizer.

If you're town, pay closer attention & don't be afraid to admit to miscomprehension.

How can Neighborizer be a scumtell? Scum can neighbor themselves and Town would never know.

BUT if a Townie could neighborize, assuming they pick a strong townread, they'd be as good as Masons.

Do we really want Mafia to have double votes? Is the second vote public? Or is it sent to Ika by PM???

[Klingoncelt]

Town Klingoncelt would have gotten my point about how she was suspecting me as 3P instead of scum by now.

I has a serious sadness, here.

Don't worry, be happy.

I could tell by your post style that you aren't Mafia. However, there was an edginess there - others saw it too, not just me - that I couldn't pin down, making me think maybe it was a 3P thing. Now that I know it's r/l, I think you're Town.





(R/L has been sucky for a bunch of us lately. Must be a bad planetary alignment or a couple of fool moons or something.)

[Klingoncelt]

2b1s was telling people not to buy tickets for doublevoter or neighborizer.

If you're town, pay closer attention & don't be afraid to admit to miscomprehension.

How can Neighborizer be a scumtell? Scum can neighbor themselves and Town would never know.

BUT if a Townie could neighborize, assuming they pick a strong townread, they'd be as good as Masons.

Do we really want Mafia to have double votes? Is the second vote public? Or is it sent to Ika by PM???

Right. Scum would neighborize scum, because it's helpful having 2 scumchats.

Stop being so disingenuous and

read the raffle description of double-voter

.

At this point I'm thinking 2b1s & Klingoncelt needs to be our first two lynches.

They would have two scumchats. Why? Because they'd know that neighborizing a Townie would out them, ffs.

That still works to Scum's advantage, as it denies Town a shot at neighborizing.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt is either flailing or derping hardcore.

Or maybe, just

maybe

I'm looking at all the possibilities.

[Klingoncelt]

And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.

Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?

[Klingoncelt]

@ika - Is the double vote public, or is it done through a PM to you?

[Klingoncelt]

And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.

Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Dechs, I'm Town.

I bought a couple tickets as soon as the game started. That doesn't make me scum. It doesn't point to anyone else that bought tickets as being scum, either.

Your vote sucks.

[Klingoncelt]

2 tickets is the income for a town.

You said you started with 0 tickets, right?

I can say that House is right, we can earn 2 tickets per day/night phase, but Town started off with 5.

[Klingoncelt]

And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.

Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?

I really don't like this. What town motivation is there to everyone telling people how many tickets they bought?

I said how many I bought. I asked others

if

they bought any. It's a yes or no question.

[Klingoncelt]

No, it points to people NOT spending points as scum.

"Did anyone else buy any or do you want scum to win?"

In one sentence, you:
1. Accuse anyone of not spending their points as scum.
2. Encourage townies to spend points now.
3. Encourage townies to come forward with how many points they've spent.
4. Appeal to the "I'm a townie because I don't want scum to win. See? I spent points and you should, too."

Sorry. None of that comes from a town mindset. You can hang now.

You're either very noob or very scum.

Have you ever gambled in your life? Ever?
Rule #1: You can't win if you don't play.
If Townies don't play, it's guaranteed that Scum will win the drawings. Don't you get that?

In an earlier post I clearly said to use common sense and not spend all your points at once.
Rule #2: Never put more than half your money on the table.

I never encouraged anyone to say how much they spent. I asked them IF they spent. IF.

I don't do appeals. My girlie balls are way too big for that. I'm telling Town to not fucking hand the game over to Scum on the first day.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt, why did you not ask ika about how the DV works?
I've asked how it works, and it's not how you banked on.
It just adds weight to your public vote.
I find it bad that you didn't bother to clarify a point with the Gm before basing an argument on it.

Post 521.

[Klingoncelt]

I didn't ask because when one gets to be my age one gets used to waiting to find out. From what I've seen, a single-player double vote is usually PMed to the mod. Not always, though.

[Klingoncelt]

I didn't ask because when one gets to be my age one gets used to waiting to find out. From what I've seen, a single-player double vote is usually PMed to the mod. Not always, though.

But I did finally ask in post 521.

[Klingoncelt]

Just for clarification, and so everyone doesn't have to take my word:

how will the doublevote work?

The double vote works exactly as it sounds: the player will have 2 votes for the next day phase

So basicly they are a double voter (they may not split their vote)

Okay.

Thanks.

[Klingoncelt]

How does this change your opinion on DV?

Well, if a Scum were the only ones buying tickets, then yeah, they'd be very much outed, in which case they wouldn't be stupid enough to use it.

But it still denies Town a chance of a double vote.

Now you say you're taking it.

I haven't played in any games with you before, so I don't know how accurate you are. I have to say I am concerned that you might accidentally L1/hammer a PR.

[Klingoncelt]

Town doesn't need a double vote. We already outnumber scum with the votes. Realistically, a doublevote is probably a liability. It means one less townie that needs to be fooled into a mislynch.

If town agrees not to spend our tickets on it, the doublevote becomes a hard scum tell if it's used (they won't) and useless if they spend their tickets on it.

Do you think they will buy tickets since it's been openly discussed here in front of them?

I was in a game with two wagons, tied until FORTY-FIVE SECONDS before deadline. (That game still haunts me.) That doublevote might come in handy.

[Klingoncelt]

And also, I put in for 2 tickets before my very first post.

Did anyone else buy any or do you want Scum to win?

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Dechs, I'm Town.

I bought a couple tickets as soon as the game started. That doesn't make me scum. It doesn't point to anyone else that bought tickets as being scum, either.

Your vote sucks.

Nice try, but by saying you bought "x" amount of tickets, it could get other players to tell how many tickets they bought (and maybe even where they spent them) in a conversation about the subject.

There's zero town motivation behind your post, but scum motivation is there.

Bullshit.

Some of you are trying way to hard to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[Klingoncelt]

And there goes that idea. Welp.

Actually, House, good call. I like where you're going with that.

I don't understand why you won't be voting for anyone tomorrow if he wins the double vote power.

Hold the phone!!!

So if House wins he's automatically Town. But my saying everyone should play a couple points is scummy. Dechs, I'm starting to not like you as Town.

[Klingoncelt]

What if I win? One of my tickets is doublevote.

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingon -- Are you scum?

Nope.

[Klingoncelt]

The Double Vote is passive.

[Klingoncelt]

Have we lost Heartless and Petrified Forest?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is hardcore derpposting and generally infuriating to read.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I just want to get some things on record.

Everyone, regardless of how obvious you may think youve been, please answer these questions. Be concise.

1: Do you believe I am 3P or scum?

3P

2: Which of the following things do you believe I am telling the truth about?
a: That my win condition is to get 12 points and survive, or to get 15 points
b: That the mafia raffles for today are a factional kill and a roleblock
c: That I start with 0 points
d: That I can rig a raffle
e: That I cannot participate in the raffle
f: That I know how many Town players there are (9)
g: That I get 1 point for a town lynch, 3 points for a scum lynch, and 1 point for surviving each day
h: That I have a 1-shot after death ability that allows me to gain points equal to the amount of points on one raffle of my choice
i: That i have no abilities I have not mentioned
j: That I have an X-shot Bulletproof
k: That i will win the DV raffle with ticket 21

b, c, f, g. d, e, and k are a bit contradictory, no?

3: Do you believe that scum would want to keep me alive or dead?

Dead.

4: Even if you dont trust me, are you willing to work with me?

For now...

5: If you could lynch me at this very second, would you do so?

No

6: if you think I am 3P, do you believe I am trying to be pro-town?

No, you must play to

your own

win condition.

7: If you had to ask me one question, what would it be?

Who do you think are the Scum/other 3rd Party?

8: If I have been 100% truthful about my role, do you believe I would scumside in a mylo/lylo where I dont have enough points to win with scum?

If... then no.

9: If I have been 100% truthful about my role, do you believe it is better for the town to lynch me right now, or wait until I have given more information to lynch me?

I'm willing to wait. But I'm not willing to get tiny bits of carrots on sticks.

10: If the information has been correct, how useful do you think my information has been? (mafia raffles, possibility of multiball, amount of town players, etc)

If... then moderately. But we don't know the "if" part yet. Ad while the information's nice, ultimately we need the names of the Scum. Lynching Scum is Town's win condition.

[Klingoncelt]

grib and peacebringer

Grib is Brian Skies now.

Day 1 lynches are almost always Town. Day 2 lynches as well. I'm no happier about it than you are.

We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.

[Klingoncelt]

We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.

So are you saying you think eyestott could be scum?

Technically, yes. But we can lynch him anytime. Let's see how he acts today.

[Klingoncelt]

CONJUNCTION

JUNCTION

WHAT'S YOUR

DYS

FUNCTION?

Grib is Brian Skies now.

Day 1 lynches are almost always Town. Day 2 lynches as well. I'm no happier about it than you are.

We know exactly who 1 Scum/3rd Party is, it's not like we have to scumhunt for him. Let's find some other scums.

ok, are we playing to win here or are we playing to lose? i don't get it.
why are we not lynching the claimed non-town that's obviously being shielded by scum?
at best: he really is 3p and scum see him as one of their assets and at worst: he's really fakeclaiming scum

who are your picks for scum, then, klingon?

SilverWolf so far.

[Klingoncelt]

I think what Pine is saying is that you can append any set of logic you want to your lynch pool but it doesn't give it much validity because the odds are still mathematically stacked in your favor.

Also klingon why is silverwolf scum?

-flub

She isn't posting like mad and when she does post it's not lengthy and detailed. Her meta scumtells.

VOTE: SilverWolf

[Klingoncelt]

Have you done a meta check on how I post here or are you basing this off USMB?

This vote came out of nowhere and your reasons are pretty weak.

I don't really care for your play D2 so far and I didn't really care for it D1 either.

Why are you acting so strange?

I've been following all of the old crew.

Not nowhere, I re-read Day 1.

That's cool, to each her own.

??? What am I doing that's strange?

[Klingoncelt]

Have you done a meta check on how I post here or are you basing this off USMB?

This vote came out of nowhere and your reasons are pretty weak.

I don't really care for your play D2 so far and I didn't really care for it D1 either.

Why are you acting so strange?

I've been following all of the old crew.

Not nowhere, I re-read Day 1.

That's cool, to each her own.

??? What am I doing that's strange?

Your defensive behavior earlier D1 when I mentioned I didn't like a comment you made, your obsession with talking about theory and game mechanics, a strange vote based on meta that has nothing to do with this site at the beginning of the day before I've even had much of a chance to post.

That's just for starters. If I were to compare this to your USMB meta, I'd say your play is way off but I don't scumread based on a different site than this one so I don't think you have a leg to stand on here if you have checked any of my other games on this site.

Oh yeah, my vote's staying here.

[Klingoncelt]

@House - What do you think of Wolf?

I'm thinking Heartless is overzealous Town.

[Klingoncelt]

They killed Dechs because he was the towniest of us all. I think we were all agreed that he was Town.

The rest of us each look suspicious to some of the other players. IOW, Scum killed him to sow confusion.

OR ... They thought he was a PR.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmmm, this is interesting. What about the fact that he could keep that important prize out of the hands of town?

And please bear with me, I'm doped up like I said. So you might have to explain it to me like I'm dumb.

This Day's drawings are all pretty nice. He can only rig 1 of the prizes, right? Or can he rig them all?

[Klingoncelt]

VC

House ()
Klingoncelt ()
SilverWolf ()
eyestott (4) Heartless, pine, math, silverwolf
Lynch Overflow ()
Pine ()
Brian skies ()
StrangerCoug (1) Klingoncelt
MathBlade ()
PeaceBringer ()
Heartless (1) house

not voting: lynch overflow, eyestott, StrangerCoug, PeaceBringer

11 alive, 6 to lynch

Day end: (expired on 2015-01-25 12:00:00)

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Ika, I voted for SilverWolf.

I'll do it again just because:

VOTE:

SilverWolf

(font shade closest to silver ^ ^ ^ )

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, people, the game has now spiraled down into Teh Sea O' Stoopid.

Let's ignore the Eyestott in the room and look at the other players.

Do we have 3 Mafia?

If yes, then those three and Eyes equals 4, meaning there were 9 Townies.

Now there are 7 Townies.

Assume Eyes is allowed to endgame. The minimum safe Townie margin in such a case is 3 still living. We can only afford to lose 4 at the most. AT THE MOST.

And even if we lynch 1 today and the next two days, Mafia can get in

at least

2 more NightKills unless they're roleblocked.

In other words, chilluns, we be lookin like LYLO.

By midnight this night I'd like to see everyone's TOP 3 scumpicks - include reasons. That includes a list from you lurkers.

Tomorrow (da 20th) we can do some educated voting.

[Klingoncelt]

Can we please talk about someone other than Eyestott?

No?

I might have to throw a PL vote on him to try and end the distraction.

[Klingoncelt]

Your post seems to have devolved into a sea of craziness.

But at least it got some attention, didn't it.

1) What if there are two mafia? Or two teams of two? or Eyestott is a liar? I don't see you taking into account ANY of those possibilities.

Yes, all of the above and then some occurred to me, but that's a lot of wifom to deal with.

2) Another person advocating for eyestott to make it TWO more Days (toDay and tomorrow). First House now you. We need to ensure TOWNIES get through at the end of the day and scum go down. I think House is town based on some of his posts. However you on the other hand with how today has played out I have doubts about.

Oh. You

didn't

read what I posted, then. *has sadz* I said that we're pretty much at LYLO right now. If we're to keep Eyes alive until endgame, then we have to have at least 3 Townies alive then to lynch him - just in case he's got some tricks up his sleeve.

3) This post seems to be written JUST to elevate the fear and paranoia. Between that and another reasons I mentioned before this makes me think this is multiball.

I've considered the multiball possibility as well. I'm trying to end the fear and paranoia and get some actual scumhunting done.

However, we do need the information on reads to help find scum so I will honor your request but instead I will give my top four as I think two teams of two.

1) Eyestott -- It just seems that every word that oozes out of his mouth feels wrong. No scumhunting again today and mostly just sheeping and not trying to poke holes in arguments. He's just saying he'll do whatever someone wants him to do. We have no evidence that he isn't a scum with a lotto rigging power. House this is VERY bad and why eyestott IMO should not rig the gun. With DV it was proof that he could double vote.

2) Klingon Celt -- His opening posts seem to be more towards detracting an eyestott lynch and elevating fear than scumhunting. Furthermore Klingon doesn't provide their own reads and wants everyone elses. That to me reads like they'll just take the numbers and reasons from the most popular and then have reads.

Klingon Celt reads now. This is not a vote this is an attention getter.

3) Lynch Overflow - Lynch Overflow has been doubtcasting in ways that make no logical sense (see day2 end post for an explanation on that). I don't feel like Lynch's posts have any "reads" in them it's more what chaos can I shake up?

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Then Klingon Celt asks us AGAIN to stop discussing it like all of a sudden eyestott is important enough to push off. IMO Eyestott needs to go toDay.

Everyone is talking about Eyes, and not giving others the attention they deserve. It's negatively affecting the scumhunting.


Oh, btw, Klingoncelt is a "she." As in Grandma.

[Klingoncelt]

hopefully I fixed the quote tags:

Your post seems to have devolved into a sea of craziness.

But at least it got some attention, didn't it.

1) What if there are two mafia? Or two teams of two? or Eyestott is a liar? I don't see you taking into account ANY of those possibilities.

Yes, all of the above and then some occurred to me, but that's a lot of wifom to deal with.

2) Another person advocating for eyestott to make it TWO more Days (toDay and tomorrow). First House now you. We need to ensure TOWNIES get through at the end of the day and scum go down. I think House is town based on some of his posts. However you on the other hand with how today has played out I have doubts about.

Oh. You

didn't

read what I posted, then. *has sadz* I said that we're pretty much at LYLO right now. If we're to keep Eyes alive until endgame, then we have to have at least 3 Townies alive then to lynch him - just in case he's got some tricks up his sleeve.

3) This post seems to be written JUST to elevate the fear and paranoia. Between that and another reasons I mentioned before this makes me think this is multiball.

I've considered the multiball possibility as well. I'm trying to end the fear and paranoia and get some actual scumhunting done.

However, we do need the information on reads to help find scum so I will honor your request but instead I will give my top four as I think two teams of two.

1) Eyestott -- It just seems that every word that oozes out of his mouth feels wrong. No scumhunting again today and mostly just sheeping and not trying to poke holes in arguments. He's just saying he'll do whatever someone wants him to do. We have no evidence that he isn't a scum with a lotto rigging power. House this is VERY bad and why eyestott IMO should not rig the gun. With DV it was proof that he could double vote.

2) Klingon Celt -- His opening posts seem to be more towards detracting an eyestott lynch and elevating fear than scumhunting. Furthermore Klingon doesn't provide their own reads and wants everyone elses. That to me reads like they'll just take the numbers and reasons from the most popular and then have reads.

Klingon Celt reads now. This is not a vote this is an attention getter.

3) Lynch Overflow - Lynch Overflow has been doubtcasting in ways that make no logical sense (see day2 end post for an explanation on that). I don't feel like Lynch's posts have any "reads" in them it's more what chaos can I shake up?

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Then Klingon Celt asks us AGAIN to stop discussing it like all of a sudden eyestott is important enough to push off. IMO Eyestott needs to go toDay.[/quote]

Everyone is talking about Eyes, and not giving others the attention they deserve. It's negatively affecting the scumhunting.


Oh, btw, Klingoncelt is a "she." As in Grandma.

[Klingoncelt]

Can we please talk about someone other than Eyestott?

No?

I might have to throw a PL vote on him to try and end the distraction.

People have been. Your positioning is noted.

Not exactly. There's been a lot of one-on-one, but half of that seems like bitchfighting.

I'm trying to get reads on players, but all I'm seeing is Eyestott this and Eyestott that. He's too much of a distraction.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyway, responding to Math's request:

Eyestott - Claims 3rd Party.

Way

too friendly and willing to please... I was willing to let him live, but the overall result of his survival into Day 2 has been nothing more than distracting Town.

Grib/Brian Skies - Scum. Too lurky.

Heartless - Null leaning Scum. Too negative, doesn't seem to like the way

anyone

thinks.

House - Town. His Towny aggro shines.

Lynch Overflow - Town

Mathblade - Town. I somewhat agree with her thought that there are 2 scumteams as opposed to 1 and a 3rd party.

PeaceBringer - Null - if he's Town, Strange is scum.

Pine - Null

SilverWolf - Scum. Her posts aren't as wordy and heavily analytical as usual.

StrangerCoug - Null - if he's Town, Peace is Scum.

Now I have StrangerCoug and PeaceBringer both at Null. If one's Town, the other's Scum. Or maybe, following Math's logic, they're both scum on opposing teams.


UNVOTE: SilverWolf

VOTE: Eyestott

[Klingoncelt]

Spoiler:

2birds1stone (Lynch) Klingoncelt, Grib, StrangerCoug, SilverWolf, stott, Dechs Kaison, PeaceBringer

House (1) petrified Forest

MathBlade (2) house, Lynch Overflow
PeaceBringer (1) House

not voting (1) MathBlade

Petrified Forest-Pine's vote for House was an RVS vote. There is literally nothing from this spot D1. I do like this 743 because it's logical and well thought out but this isn't enough to get a read off of yet-Null.

House-His aggressive play and constant scumhunting and attempting to game solve is very townie, Town.

Lynch Overflow-is a lurker slot for D2 but D1 was trying to sort eyestott and was trying to scumhunt so leaning town here but need to see more.

Heartless-null, leaning scum. I want to see more from them then just the dramatic play regarding lynching eyestott and the bitch-fight with House, this just causes a huge distraction and only benefits scum. I want reads on other players besides eyestott. They did say Grib and Peacebringer were scum on the 2birds wagon but they are not following up on this, instead focusing on eyestott and arguing with House.

Mathblade-Mostly null D1 because most of her posts were an eyestott tunnel but I like her posts D2 as she's giving reads and trying to figure out multiball vs not and while wants to lynch eyestott has started talking about other game related issues. So I am leaning town here.

Klingoncelt-scum because she zeroed in on me almost immediately based on a meta argument from offsite play even though I told her I don't post like that here. I believe this is a reachy reason to vote someone because she doesn't discuss intent or motivation but rather wordiness and frequency of posts which is not alignment indicative.

Grib/Brian Skies-scum, huge lurker and Grib's play was nothing but discussion of eyestott and a mostly unexplained vote for 2 birds here 315 which did not explain it really and when asked he had no good explanation 666, 669.

StrangerCoug-Town, I like his ISO. Shows strong scumhunting.

Peacebringer-Null, need to see more. I think it's just his playstyle but he's hard to read. There seems to be some contradiction here 644 and then hammers here 678 but that's the only thing I find odd.

Eyestott-A huge distraction that is pretty much what a good 90% or more of this game has been about. This is extremely harmful to town because scum can hide while town bickers about eyestott and literally nothing else is discussed. He needs to go for this reason and the reasons I gave in my vote for him. I was willing to give it a day. It's only gotten worse.

This is a tl/dr analysis of all my reads so far. Spoilered for being tl/dr. LOL

I believe the sketchiest vote on the 2 birds wagon came from Grib/Brian Skies.

Now this is the Town Wolf posting style!

[Klingoncelt]

My top two scumreads are Heartless and Klingon.

Eyes, cut it out. I'm not scum.

[Klingoncelt]

You say here that its LYLO today?

Assume that there are 3 Scum that haven't yet been killed. Assume that we decide to keep you alive thru endgame.

It would be insane for Town to risk endgaming with a 3rd party unless there were enough Townies to prevent that 3rd party from killing Town and winning alone. So 3 Townies would have to endgame. Meanwhile we have 3 Mafia to lynch. We lynch 1 today the other 2 get in an NK tonight. We lynch the second one tomorrow, tomorrow night Mafia gets another NK. Then we lynch the third.

So of the 7 currently living Townies, we'd be down to 5.

Unless...

you have an NK option. Or Mafia gets an extra kill. Or some derp gets a viggie gun and shoots a Townie. So yes, with this scenario we have to play every day like it's LYLO.


Then there's scenario 2... Assume there are two 2-player Mafia factions and you're in one of them. Assume Town keeps you around until endgame.

We lynch 1 and there are 2 Night Kills, bringing us down to 5. We lynch another, from the other team, so there are still 2 NKs, bringing us down to 3. We lynch a third, leaving your NK, which takes us down to 2 - IF there are no derp viggies and IF neither faction gets a second killshot.

So we have to play each day like it's LYLO.

[Klingoncelt]

Except, ika wouldnt make a game where 1 mislynch causes lylo.
the fact that theres a vig kill on the table pretty much proves theres only 1 mafia kill per night.

I've seen vig's in multiball before.

[Klingoncelt]

I've also seen Mafia roleblocked on NK's, and I've seen them deliberately withhold their NK.

[Klingoncelt]

Because your continued existence will be a distraction and give both town and scum to generate noise over what to do with you. I plan on driving my own wagon once I fully catch up (assuming you live that long).

The distraction is why I'm voting for Eyes.

We lynch Brian tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

Heartless, Mathblade, KlingoCelt.

Anybody else want to scum claim?

Quit hallucinating. I'm Town.

You may be correct about Heartless, though.

[Klingoncelt]

Heartless, Mathblade, KlingoCelt.

Anybody else want to scum claim?

Quit hallucinating. I'm Town.

You may be correct about Heartless, though.

Help me lynch them, then. If not, your words are hollow.

No. You aren't leading Town this game.

I don't enjoy lynching Eyes but he's way too much of a distraction. He has to go.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE: SilverWolf

VOTE: Eyestott

I think Eyes is at L-1.

[Klingoncelt]

No, SWolf unvoted. He's at L-2.

[Klingoncelt]

Powerlynch?

[Klingoncelt]

so seriously, Klingomcelt throws a false dichotomy out there that If I am town strange is scum and vice versa... that is concerning...

Sorry, I call 'em as I see 'em.

[Klingoncelt]

That puts Eyestott at L-1

[Klingoncelt]

I can donate a point or two to Eyestott's memory.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Heartless

Yeah, Heartless is on my Scum list too.

So are you.

And either PeaceBringer or StrangerCoug.

Decisions, decisions...

[Klingoncelt]

And I coulda sworn he said we got to choose which one for him to bid on.

Yeah, he did.

I will not choose mystery or Dayvig for Eyes. Lynchproof would be better. It's useless for Town. (By Day 3 we should be able to figure out who Scum are.)

[Klingoncelt]

Tickets in dayvig is a scum claim.

Is not.

[Klingoncelt]

In fact, we should all be sinking tickets into sheriff to keep it out of scum's hands.

Okay. For myself.

For Eyes I'll throw a couple down on Lynchproof. Can we agree on that?

[Klingoncelt]

In fact, we should all be sinking tickets into sheriff to keep it out of scum's hands.

Okay. For myself.

For Eyes I'll throw a couple down on Lynchproof. Can we agree on that?

Oh. Nevermind.

[Klingoncelt]

Almost forgot:

VOTE: Heartless

[Klingoncelt]

Like, I don't see a reason for Sheriff to not be the choice for Eyestott. It's the most beneficial to town and we should be sinking our tickets there. Lynchproof can be made a scumclaim because only scum should be worried about surviving from here on out. And the dayvig is arguable.

I guess if people are curious, you can gamble on mystery, but there aren't a lot of things better than a cop result.

I'm not going anywhere near that mystery.

I'm good with Sheriff, then. I want to hear from the other players, though.

[Klingoncelt]

DON'T HAMMER UNTIL ALL OF EYESTOTT'S TICKETS ARE BOUGHT!!!!

[Klingoncelt]

@Ika - How many more tickets does Eyestott need?

[Klingoncelt]

@Ika - How many more tickets does Eyestott need?

What are you talking about?

ika-I think she is asking if eyestott has enough points to win. Not really sure if you can answer that or not.

Yes, exactly. What is Eyestott's point status?

[Klingoncelt]

Soft defend your buddy moar.

excuse, you want me to LOL hammer here House? I didn't double check but if truly at l-1 a bit quick so that makes me raise my eyebrow... heartless does not give me warm fuzzies but nice to notice you choosing to take a comment and use it for a poke for your own purposes.

Yes. I would want you to hammer.

And about the ticket thing -- I never understood it. If I recall Eyestott said he would need to rig a raffle to get the tickets or some kind of death mechanic where he does one more rig? I mean I did fuck up but at this point denying town Sheriff for a 3P to win?

I am not 100% sure on how the Eyestott thing works but it looks like both Celt and PeaceBringer may be buddies.

Am I wrong in my memory here?

*pokes lurkers....Come out and plaaaaay*

No, I'm not buddies with anyone. If you ISO my posts you'll see that I didn't really want to lynch Eyes. I felt that it had to be done because almost all of the conversations centered around him, it was making scumhunting impossible. Eyes was a policy lynch for me. And I feel bad about it even though it was necessary, so I'd like to help him out. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh - Peacebringer is on my Scum list, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

Eyestott said that even if he dies he can still rig a lottery drawing, and take whatever points we put into that drawing.

If this is correct, then we need to buy enough tickets in the Sheriff drawing to make sure he reaches his win condition quota - wasn't it 15 points? (Too tired to check)

[Klingoncelt]

Oh and Klingon-I wasn't BSing when I said I post different here than offsite. I do, you can check. Also, I will give detailed reads like that as either alignment. I also am working on changing my meta so I'm not too easy to read so don't expect me to act the same in every game as scum or town.

I was wondering why the gun was able to be used. I didn't realize if someone died, the raffle item is invalid. So that shot changed things and yep, no one was expecting the immune to show but that actually makes sense that it would.

math's trolling was hysterically funny. She was great fun to have as a buddy. Thanks math!!

Thanks again ika!!

Have a good one everyone!! Happy Friday!!

Nope. You've altered a bit but I can still tell.

The same goes for Math.

My fail came from being in too many games - 1 started a lot earlier than I expected, and I was in a game (still ongoing) on Ika's site where I was new to the site and the game mechanics are seizure-inducing. At least there I didn't get lynched until Day 7 I was spread too thin to concentrate enough on this one.

But anyway good game.

/pre-in for Ika's large this game.

[Klingoncelt]

Wait - there was a Dead Thread this time????

[Klingoncelt]

If that was true you wouldn't of made the below post, taken myself and math off your scum list and shot Peacebringer. It doesn't matter how thin you were spread, you wouldn't of done any of those things if you truly believed myself or math were scum. You just don't want to admit it which is a problem both you and House seem to have, not being willing to say good game or give me an ounce of credit if I win. That's really too bad because I would if the situation was reversed.

On the contrary, I was barely able to follow any of the games. When the offsite one finishes, I'll give you links. It's pretty intense. I also had a nasty R/L issue come up that had me in a depressed state. In other words I wasn't anywhere near as focused as I normally should have been.

Note that I kept reading you and Math as Null. I couldn't place you two as solid Town. I couldn't quite nail you two as Scum either, but there was something nagging me...

You did notice that an unusually high number of players thought I was Scum, it's because I wasn't a focused player. I had a few lucid spots, but then I'd get unfocused again.

[Klingoncelt]

Completely optional but if anyone has any suggestions for how to improve my scum game I'm ears via the thread or PM. I have some now so I have a "scum meta". I figure the more I improve the more fun people will have when I draw scum. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I won but there's always room for growth

You did a pretty good job, it's all about practice, really.

Rule #1: Never play Scum to look like Town, play as though you actually

are

Town.

And GG, Wolf.