Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

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Is this whole game going to diverge into "does this count as bastard"

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I think I meant divulge

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Lol

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You mean the game

isn't

a bastard one?

VOTE: Flubbernugget for not voting in RVS.

Ika posted in the queue that the game isn't bastard. He specified that there are no role changing mechanics.

I still think tree-stumping is a little bastard, but it might just be non-normal. What is/isn't bastard might be a way to catch and/or restrict fakeclaims, but at the same time the game can't turn into an argument about what is/isn't bastard. There has to be balance.

That being said I think stopping and analyzing a player's claim is a little more productive than an rvs vote

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Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?

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He still wins with 3p lol

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I believe mcmenno for now but I'm interested as to his response to derangement

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Tree Stumps are vanillas without the vote.

I was under the impression that a treestump was a dead player that could still post. That being said I still can't decide whether or not the dead vote (and more importantly, the change in wincon) is bastard.

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Thinking about it even more I'm now bored with the topic and willing to consider the claim true by its complexity

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Wat

It's what's on the inside that counts

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VOTE: mcmenno

His role only makes sense if it was thought up with an alignment in mind

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The lady on my avi's album cover is probaply interestel

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Interested

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except his win-con is more important than how town he is

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There's been evidence that this is a fakeclaim.

You've stated more evidence that this is a fakeclaim.

Lets not lynch because of logic based on his claim being true.

I love it

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If mcmenno flips scum who's up for a drix flashlynch?

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So I'm saying we should kill the guy and you want to lynch me if it turns out that I'm right and his claim is bullshit? Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

I'm suggesting the possibility of you defending a scumbuddy that botched a fakeclaim.

You're also conveniently leaving out the matter of

when

to lynch mcmenno which I am also taking trouble with

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Was there some part of #77 that was confusing, or are you trying to get me to scum read you for some reason flubber? I don't see me at all defending that bullshit claim there. I don't think there's any upside to letting him live. The worst case scenario is that his claim is actually true, and I am almost completely certain that he was spewing bullshit all over the place. Someone would have to come into the game and outright claim to be scum to get me to want to lynch someone else today, at this point.

Since there's no conceivable universe where scum come into the thread and say they are scum (would result in a mod kill I believe since it's playing against win condition), you should take that as confirmation that I plan to hammer the shit out of McMenno. I'm looking forward to it. In fact, I'm going to just go ahead and give

intent to hammer

right now. Whomever puts him at L-1 ... know that I'm gonna hammer the second I notice.

Bro...73

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You went from "don't lynch till we've gotten 2 scum" to "hammer as soon as I see L-1" in one page

Three people have posted without takind note of this

I must be missing something really simple

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@drix "Hey lets keep him around till later" is defending him. That way you can use night actions as a red herring later. This of course is assuming mcmenno flips mafia; pre-flipped associatives, etc, etc. But it's good to know you're losing your cool of a scumread that isn't even concrete.

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Menno's claim is distracting from scumhunting. Scum are capitalising on this.

VOTE: Derangement

This isn't enough to start scumhunting

It's enough to park an opportunistic vote and run away

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@Flubbernugget - If you want to see what it looks like for me to lose my cool, you may take a look at some other games and see it. If you think I've lost my cool and you don't see tons of bolding and underlining and profanity ... I probably haven't. I'm super calm almost all the time. If I do get irritated, I generally just go play a video game or get my aerobics in for the day. It takes a significant amount to actually get me upset enough that it actually spills out into a mafia game.

To me, it looks a lot like Derangement is the one pushing to keep McMenno alive. My initial reaction was the believe the claim or at least to be wary of lynching him just in case, but after I thought about it I just don't buy the claim. The only reason not to lynch him today would be if most of us believe the claim and aren't willing to waste a "mislynch" on him. Does anyone really want to leave him alive long term?

And you're wrong, by the way. If his claim is honest, then Derangement is right and I was right in my initial thoughts on the situation, and if he was honest with his claim then it makes sense to keep him around until lynching him wouldn't put us into immediate end game. Killing him puts us in a precarious spot if his claim is true. I just happen to have changed my mind on the probability of his claim being true.

You don't get to claim I'm defending someone when I'm suggesting we kill them at a time when his claim being honest would be less harmful to town. You certainly don't get to claim I'm defending someone when I've labeled him a Policy Lynch in all cases. You're barking up the wrong tree by several miles, mate.

What part of I scum read you if

and only if

mcmenno flips scum don't you understand

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The only way to really be certain about the lylo/mylo situation is to massclaim, which is a terrible idea because then we know the protectives and we're really fucked

So I don't think it's worth speculating on

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My gut is getting bad vibes from the Menno wagon but on the other hand it's a fair point that his role sounds like bullshit and doesn't correlate with the Restless Spirit, which would be a WTF role in its own right. Hm.

Pedit: What do you suggest I do, Flubber? McMenno is the only topic on the table and roughly half the players haven't posted out of RVS.

Why isn't elusive worth a vote?

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Meh.

My point is that in a role madness game going "we're at mylo/lylo if you count it" isn't worth basing play on

I think not knowing the 3p's wincons can also make this really dangerous for town

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Why isn't elusive worth a vote?

Never said she wasn't; I only have one vote. Does it matter which Menno pusher I vote?

Okay so why is elusive townier than derangement?

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Okay so why is elusive townier than derangement?

I never said that.

If elusive isn't townier than derangement, why are you not voting her?

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I only have one vote. Does it matter which Menno pusher I vote?

Yeah you should probably push the scummier of the two

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Okay so why is elusive townier than derangement?

I never said that.

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This has to be the case though because you're voting derangement, right?

I think the lurking is less productive than the active participation and therefore scummier