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Okay, so it doesn't seem like we are in mylo. I've never played any WTF or bastard, so this a learning experience for me.
What if McMenno is 3rd party to start with? alignment change then kinda makes sense. There is more than 1 set of '3rd party'. Ika's post has also got me worried about zombies!
Currently a little worried about Bins, and I think Drixx is probably town, but should definitely follow-through with the hammer - (is this still a thing?)-
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True, Brantz: I think scum will have hedged their bets and there is at least one in either camp. My main worry is he doesn't have much incentive to actually scum-hunt, as the odd are in favour of cruising to the end. If we have another townie run up, who claims a useful role, it might be worth lynching him to stop any town with a protective role outing too early
@Brantz: can out with role info straight away (weird when McM did it, weird when she did it), then explained it was only part of a '4 part role', even though at least mine and elusive's were pretty short, and I feel like she's posted a lot without me being able to get an obvious read on her, which was very different to her style in our last game. I'm feeling the same way about Ricastle as well, tbh.
What do you think we should do next, Brantz? Has anything pinged for you, yet?
I'd like a vote-count soon!
p-edit, Ricastle, like a cop? It might come back with roles, not alignment?
pp-edit: he's certainly not town-motivated. I dunno if that makes him flat out scum, or other third party.-
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@bins, he was scum-reading flub (or at least heading that way) and if he was sk/third party it would make sense (or, in my last game sk/third party shot scum). Clearly I got confused, so that's why I unvoted.
@brantz, normally I'm the opposite, though. To be fair, I've been reading most of today rather than posting, so by interacting with bins I feel a bit better. Maybe it's similar to what OddM is saying.-
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...so whoever does hammer is conf. Town or 3p? Interesting. Also, odd and wanderers posting has impressed me so far and I'd like to see more from them.
Mcmenno does need to scum hunt, though - if he coasts through the game he isn't helping town
I'm.wondering if the 'flip' thing mcmenno said he saw in Flub's death suggests more people might Alignment chang?
Also, seeing Flub's wierd vovoting role makes me feel a bit better abiut bins' claim.-
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Bins wrote:In post 214, elusive wrote:I'm not scum, lurking seems like a scum tell for mcmenno.
I'd disagree. Even though I probably can't prove it.
Also, he's claimed third party -a scum role not aligned with anything and is survivor-like.I doubt he's going to be more useful than his town or scum game.
Bins wrote:A PL on town is always dumb.
Can we stop distracting this game?
Okay, I was definitely wrong about Bins. She's my strongest town-read. However, she is asking people to address the bigger picture but not making many moves herself (not that a bunch of people aren't guilty of this).
Ricastle wrote:VOTE: Derangement
Might as well return here unless anyone can posit a better lead. Flubber might have been trying to divide my scumread on Deranged onto elusive.
I think you are correct here. I've re-read the game and Derangement is (was) posting a lot without adding much new content. I think Flub could've been trying to re-direct you from scum onto town.
Wanderer-nl wrote:@Ric: He is right now already actively out to kill town. He has to survive, remember? If a third party kills mcmenno, and then that 3rd party gets lynched or killed later, mcmenno will have won the game.
I don't want to have mcmenno against us during lylo, but I really think we can win this before we actually hit lylo so why worry about that? Before that, he won't be a problem. We can now all agree L-2 will equal L-1 in case mcmenno is on the bw and that's another problem out of the way. We just need 2 hammerers instead of 1 to make sure the lynch is going through. Wouldn't that make scumhunting through vca even easier?
I'm running under the assumption there is more than 1 3rd party, only one of which wins with scum. This is supported by the Flubber kill - I think one 3p MUST win with town. We've only got two scum left now, and assuming someone has an aggressive night action I think town is in a good place.
McMenno wrote:Drixx wrote:In post 226, McMenno wrote:I might as well set up some codes, now that it has calmed down a bit. I will use these codes when I'm killed by scum. If I'm lynched, then I'll just fuck around, I guess.
If I vote a player, I (obviously) scumread them.
If I vote a player, but immediately unvote them after that, I townread them.
If I vote someone twice in a post, then I have information from town players in the dead PT that they are scum.
If I vote someone, then vote no lynch, then I have information from town players in the dead PT that they are town.
I have a really hard time believing that someone will have access to the dead thread and be able to use coded communication in this way. This just seems less and less plausible as time goes on.
In other news, I need a V/LA until Sunday evening. I'll be offline sitewide. See ya'll then.
If you have a hard time believing these things, maybe you shouldn't have signed up for a game called "WTF Mafia".
The only good thing about McMenno's role is that he seems to be a spanner in the works for scum, too.
Anyway, onto the scum-hunting. VOTE: Derangement for fixating on the McMenno issue, posts not ringing true and not actively scum-hunting.-
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Really like 253, but I'm not really seeing what people are reacting so badly to about OM. I think I need more content there.
Shos, Derangement, Jeanne and Brantz are my current scum-spects (with McM being a whole different ball game), but I could be swayed on OM if I'm missing anything. Elu, wanderer, thoughts?
Wanderer's confusion over bins looks a bit iffy too, as does her town-read of Derangement, but some of her other reads seem okay.
OM, what are your thoughts on ric's votes?-
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In post 276, Bellaphant wrote:ika , for morning, jeanne, odd and derangement are way overdue a prod.
...McM, are you going to post anything useful for, you know, finding scum, or are you really planning on strong-arming us to you coasting to the end?-
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They are probably scum because:
-rvs'd flubber and the response to him being shot seemed off.
- focused way too much on McM without being consistent and generating any new content of note (Seriously, 2/3s of her posts contain the word, or deal with, McMenno).
- assumed bins was scum/needed lynching because of her claim (bit like sho setting them up as a 1v1, eh?)
-Flub was trying to paint Drixx as scum AND reacted against Ric's vote on her (he also tried to paint elu as 'more scum' than derangement, re-directed Ric's scum read of Derangement)
-posting in general feels forced
-advocated a mass claim of roles for no real reason
-hasn't actually scum-hunted
-has gone into hyper-lurk after flub was vigged.
That was kinda painless.-
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Shos is also giving the people voting him stick for not layout out exactly what is wrong with the flub/derangement actions when a) I basically have and b) it's Been summarised ny different people, when he couldn't even be arsed to set out his own case on me, despite multiple people prodding about it. It's bs.-
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I'm assuming that 3rd party is something completely different, as there are fucked up roles. I am counting 2 'scum' plus...whatever. It might even be the one who shot flub, right?
Jeanne's comment about the gun-bearer was odd, her comment straight after about the game mix up was more so. I generally worry scum is lurking - this isn't new for me, or new in this thread I'm sure.
What's wrong with page 10? You did push bins v mcmenno. I didn't like it. I also agreed with you at one point and got 'how is that post directed at me...?', which...weird. We could just be not communicating, but ugh, getting this out of you was like pulling teeth and it's not a good way to scum-hunt.
Also, still a girl.-
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@shos Even if I was, I don't see the need for you to be rude. Chill, pls.
I don't know what's wrong with saying a third party could be the sk? I am relatively new, my join date is over there <---- (by the genders ) but, what could Jeanne be crumbing? (p-edit, I see now she's claiming, but I didn't catch a crumb).
How is page ten a strawman? You say 216 - 'I think this is a 1v1 between menno and Bins'. Page ten my argument is 'Bins v mcmenno seems like you are setting up a false dichotomy.' How is this a strawman argument? The other stuff was about roles/alignments, where I was agreeing with you. The rest of ten was other people explaining why a policy lynch was a bad idea.
My mind hasn't really changed on Jeanne - I don't wanna lynch her right now (scumspect means I suspect you - I still think the gun comment was odd, but with the lack of content it stands out), I'd like more content from her (and a response to questions) and there are better candidates from scum out there.
p-edit, hi Jeanne. You've got some questions waiting for you. You can explain your claim and your thoughts/reads as a good start.-
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And we probably won't need to in this set-up. However, if people are scum-reading OM (which at least one person is), who actually has a bit of content, I think it's a fair warning to Jeanne.
I'm not really disagreeing with you. Unless you don't think all town should be contributing, and then we disagree.-
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Drixx, I'll add another question to the one you left out What needed to happen by post six? Also, I'm feeling a lot of surface comments from you: having read your games in the newbie queue I'm kinda surprised. Have you got any reads/comments?
Shos, I'd let the replacement answer my questions, but it's still a scum-slot for me for now. Right now, honestly, I'm just glad we're getting replacements. Also, shos, is there a reason you have three votes listed? (Apart from ika, )-
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So Titus comes in and votes ric, who shos thinks is scum...
Shos, you keep saying I'm scum, which I'm starting to think is your post restriction - call someone random scum every 24 hours - and if you are a) scum (yes) and b) unlynchable we'd have to leave you to the day-shooter (vig?) tomorrow.
I'm gonna re-read this all.-
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