Mini 1748: ClownTardis Mafia - GAME OVER!

[BROseidon]

Second! I am good at counting.

VOTE: Persivul for forgetting to complain about his dislike of hydrae

--P

I didn't forget, conscious decision not to.

VOTE: FAQ2
Not quite random.

4th post!

I didn't forget, conscious decision not to.

Because you complained about it both last times that you were scum against me and wanted to mix up your meta?

--P

Yo Plot - I want your hydra partner to read this exchange and tell me how I should respond to it.

[BROseidon]

And lose out on a free chance to get a good data point on Mala?

Fuck no.

[BROseidon]

Okay Mala's probably town.

[BROseidon]

the buddying is real in da house ya'll.

It's weird to see talah post like that :\

~M

Weird in a scummy way or weird in a "I have no idea" way?

[BROseidon]

Okay Mala's probably town.

wanna explain?

Reason you should care about: I have a 100% success rate reading Mala, going back to my first game on site.

Reason I care about that other people will get: Mala's entrance took definitive stances about how people posted. She's not looking busy - she's providing some degree of insight into what she's seeing

Reason I care about that nobody else will get: Her response to my question didn't talk about Wicked Mafia at all, which I think scum-Mala would have done.

[BROseidon]

Something tells me that Aristophanes is reading waayyy too much into something which we have already shown to be confusing to refer to, plus Frozen isn't native English speaker so she's obviously going to have trouble communicating.

VOTE: Davsto

Do something.

[BROseidon]

[That was supposed to be his entire ISO >.>]

[BROseidon]

Something tells me that Aristophanes is reading waayyy too much into something which we have already shown to be confusing to refer to, plus Frozen isn't native English speaker so she's obviously going to have trouble communicating.

VOTE: Davsto

Do something.

Arguably my ISO is far worse. Why pick him for it ?

Your ISO was one post of not doing anything. His was like 4 of not doing anything.

[BROseidon]

I'll catch up on this tomorrow. Too tired right now, didn't get around to it today :/

[BROseidon]

Ugh I'm really not feeling ~passionate~ this game.

I guess I'll catch up tonight.

[BROseidon]

and I like to see shiro around so no , I won't change my vote atm

^Really like this, btw. Shiro's content (rather, lack thereof) did minorly ping me, but I'm not familiar enough with Shiro for it to actually be a proper scumread.

We really need to organise some sort of wording to differentiate between referring to The Doctor (character) and a Doctor (protecting role). I know it's not canonically correct, but let's refer to The Doctor (character) as "Doctor Who" all the time, to avoid confusion with the protective role Doctor. Sound good?

talah may prefer to behave in this hydra.

I on the other hand hold little inhibitions.

VOTE: Davsto.

mastin your entire entrance is giving me Anything Goes heebie-jeebies :/

[BROseidon]

Broseiden is someone who I really like to have a conversation with actually atm. he is inside the lurkers category.

Huh, that's interesting...

[BROseidon]

Assuming I am correct it would mean that eithe rRob and Angel are scum together with Persi in sight as a target OR that Persi is scum.

so shiro your here at last trying to find the scum team with your first vote.

if Persi by any chance flips town your my next target.

whats your read on every one else? What makes you think there is a scum in our conversation with persi?

I like you!

[BROseidon]

P-edit: I thought at the time that the Davsto wagon was hitting resistance because he was scum. No-one publicly said they had a town-read on Davsto iirc, so that option is highly unlikely. That wagon just kind of went caput for no reason.

This is a p. good point.

[BROseidon]

Currently Frozen and I combined have more posts than everyone else combined.

Dude, chill the fuck out.

Have you ever stopped to consider that too many posts can be bad?

[BROseidon]

Pers and Dav can't be scum together due to a recent meta tell from Pers. I will not disclose the tell, because I expect it will continue to be useful in the future. It's a definitive tell.

I kind of want to believe you here but I really want to call them scum together.

[BROseidon]

I still kind of want to do Davsto, but really anything outside of {Kittehs/Rob/Elsa/NotMaf/Kuroi} is cool with me.

[BROseidon]

I still kind of want to do Davsto, but really anything outside of {Kittehs/Rob/Elsa/NotMaf/Kuroi} is cool with me.

Why none of this group?

Kittehs and Elsa are strong town, Rob is weak town, NotMaf and Kuroi because ~reasons~

[BROseidon]

Hello!

Huh, that's interesting...

Whats interesting about it?

We'll have plenty of time to talk this game!

[BROseidon]

BROseidon whats your current read on persival and how you reached to that conclusion ?

Leaning scum. The way he actively encourages pissing matches and, as Rob pointed out, pivots in ways that don't naturally follow his reads bothers me.

[BROseidon]

v/la through sunday

[BROseidon]

Hi Aeronaut!

Getting some pretty scum vibes from Dave and Pers there. Not as much with rob as I thought I would. The Taly/Mastin Hydra leans town and so does Aristophanes

Friend, I have some sad news:

RadiantCowbells replaces Persivul. Please welcome him!

--P

Lollllllll

[BROseidon]

I also think that was kind of a townslip.

[BROseidon]

I kind of don't think mastin would push for a Shiro push N1 given that he's a relatively low-impact player, generally speaking.

I also need to read like 30 pages of this game or some shit, so that's completely devoid of context.

[BROseidon]

Gonna catch up on this today. I promise!

[BROseidon]

Guys this game is mindnumbingly stupid.

[BROseidon]

I feel dumber reading it.

[BROseidon]

There's no chance of me getting to meta someone before my V/LA officially starts, but to AH, BRO, or Kittehs: What is Dav generally like as town? Does he generally make decent cases or does he trend more toward the VI side of things?

His cases are either really forced or he's a VI. If he's not a VI, he's probably scum. I admit I'm completely unfamiliar with Davsto outside this game, though, so I can't differentiate between the two.

No idea - I've never played with him.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Davsto this is still the best vote, imo.

Also, RC was pretty fucking town. Even if he does play like a psycho.

[BROseidon]

If anyone wants to touch inside of {Kittehs, Aero, Cheet, Ari}, imma kick their ass.

[BROseidon]

Checking the FAQ slot is weird because it was such a null slot. I wouldn't have thought anyone would investigate there. If he hadn't read the game, that explains it, although I don't really get why someone wouldn't attempt to catch up overnight if they had to make an action decision.

Uh, standard investigative PR play is to investigate null slots, since the result adds the most value on average.

This is also a dumb conversation.

[BROseidon]

Bro you had Rob, Kuroi, and Not Mafia in your *no touchy* pile last phase. What is your read on them now?

Feeling less certain on Rob - current theory of the gamestate I'm running with says he's town, but alternate gamestates could have him as scum. To be less technical - if Davsto flips scum, I'm not touching Rob, but a Davsto town flip would bias me the other way. It's also not like he couldn't be a scum-JK, so he could be telling the truth about his role.

Kuroi and NM are both relatively null now. I had thought they were softing something earlier, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[BROseidon]

It's also not like he couldn't be a scum-JK, so he could be telling the truth about his role.*

*and still be scum.

[BROseidon]

Checking the FAQ slot is weird because it was such a null slot. I wouldn't have thought anyone would investigate there. If he hadn't read the game, that explains it, although I don't really get why someone wouldn't attempt to catch up overnight if they had to make an action decision.

Uh, standard investigative PR play is to investigate null slots, since the result adds the most value on average.

This is also a dumb conversation.

For an FBI Agent? There's no ability to clear there. I'd be looking at the town reads to confirm they aren't bulletproof SKs doing actual scum hunting, which is a bit hard to distinguish from town.

This is a good point (although predicated on the idea that you can't SK-hunt, which isn't entirely true)

[BROseidon]

War Doctor

Crumb in my RVS post (no more!)

I'm an Enabler, so some (I don't know which) abilities of others will be lost when I die.

Yeah lynch it.

[BROseidon]

That claim is like 10/10 scum.

[BROseidon]

"My role is really powerful for town despite not really being told how (which goes against the standard of enablers being told what they enable)"

[BROseidon]

That claim is like 10/10 scum.

I mean are you going to say why, or are you just going to cheer on my lynch without even thinking?

Literally the post before this one.

[BROseidon]

It's also kind of weird that Dav has no read on me despite the fact that I'm the one who started the whole push on him.

IJS.

[BROseidon]

PEdit Bro - starting the wagon on me isn't scummy (at least until the fact that I'm literally the only reason certain town roles are working is known), so of course I ain't gonna have a read on you for that, I have a read on people who do scummy shit like Adaptive Heap or Rob

But it's weird that you have

no

stance on me.

[BROseidon]

Like, not for pushing you, not for anything that i've done elsewhere in this game (or haven't done), etc.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: not_mafia

[BROseidon]

I also want Rob to claim action immediately

[BROseidon]

I don't want you, Ari, or Kittehs to claim.

[BROseidon]

Kuroi and not_mafia are 100% claiming, though.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Not_mafia

[BROseidon]

I don't have the time to post properly until later today, but I obviously have an investigative role.

I was roleblocked for the last two days as well.

Full claim pls.

[BROseidon]

Also Aero I fucking love you right now.

[BROseidon]

Guys, given that Dav's role PM confirms a 2-man scum team (and probably 10-2-1 game), Kuroi can't be scum (since not_maf claimed the block, but a kill still went through). He could be the SK, though.

[BROseidon]

That said, Kuroi, I actually want a full-claim from you instead of vague "investigative" thing b/c the last mafioso is likely only a step or two behind me on cracking the game.

[BROseidon]

Like, I want your role and your n1 result (since you are claiming only to have been blocked N2 and N3).

I also want to know what your relationship is to not_mafia, given that I picked up on what I thought were mason crumbs b/w the two of you early, but the stuff b/w you guys early clearly must have been something else.

[BROseidon]

Also, given Rob's last post, I wonder if Rob jailkept Kuroi.

I'm inclined to lean this way.

[BROseidon]

Do you want it to understand my role further or are you basically wanting to verify I'm not scum?

I'm specifically interested in your night 1 result (when you supposedly weren't block).

You could be the SK. You can't be mafia. I'm pretty certain here, but we're reaching a delicate point in the game. I want to make sure I have all the information available to me so that I don't royally fuck something up.

[BROseidon]

That... tells me surprisingly little...

[BROseidon]

Why did you FBI-agent someone who was a claimed FBI agent?

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

[BROseidon]

Pretty sure they're our last faction scum and that Not_Maf is the SK.

[BROseidon]

Considering that fferyllt just modded a game with a bodyguard and a compulsive body guard (granted, that was designed by someone else)...

[BROseidon]

Guys, given that Dav's role PM confirms a 2-man scum team (and probably 10-2-1 game), Kuroi can't be scum (since not_maf claimed the block, but a kill still went through). He could be the SK, though.

Unless I'm missing something, he can be either/or still?

You're the one who blocked him.

[BROseidon]

Oh shit VOTE: Ari

[BROseidon]

Thought you had crumbed something that was explicitly "not 8th doc" which would have basically made you scum.

[BROseidon]

~reasons~ means he saw it too.

Confirming that this is the case.

[BROseidon]

Ari pls claim. Now that the 8th doc has claimed, there's no reason not to mass-claim.

[BROseidon]

So I did get a result back, and I was told that I would be told if I no longer had my investigative powers. This leads me to believe that someone actively roleblocked me. There is the guess that Rob did use his power on me. The other option that I see is that Not_Mafia is a roleblocker - likely, a mafia roleblocker.

[BROseidon]

Bound by Blood: Some of your technology has been stolen by your enemies and re-purposed for use against you and your Dalek horde. What they don't know, however, is that all of your creations are tied to your life force and that they will be rendered ineffective upon your death. While you live, you enable certain actions.

[BROseidon]

If MalaPlot or Bro are around, I'd prefer if they claimed first. However, I will do so within the hour regardless.

Bro, it seems you are insinuating Dav enabled Kuroi's FBI ability.
Do you think it is reasonible to assume he made Kuroi's, yet not Aero/Pers/RC'S FBI work?

Also, he was apparently blocked at least one of those nights, and last night nobody has claimed being blocked. (Jailer works pre-kill, so would kave activated.)

No, you're claiming first.

And I'm thinking that had to be it. ~something~ stopped working.

[BROseidon]

I'll claim - I'm a neighborizer. I neighborized Plottin' Kitteh's day 1, and have been in a neighborhood with them since.

[BROseidon]

(technically the neighborhood didn't open N1, but details)

[BROseidon]

They claimed in the neighborhood already.

I'm not 1-shot, but I can only have 1 neighborhood active at a time. If the kittehs die, I can neighborize someone else.

[BROseidon]

Oh yeah I'm david tennant doc. Whichever one that is.

[BROseidon]

10th! I'm the 10th doctor!

[BROseidon]

I don't think there's a technically valid lynch outside of {Ari, not_maf, me, kittehs} today.

[BROseidon]

I obviously know that I'm town and am still town reading kittehs, but there isn't anything that confirms either of us.

[BROseidon]

I don't think there's a technically valid lynch outside of {Ari, not_maf, me, kittehs} today.

I am assuming Kuroi isn't in this list because of the blocks?

Yes.

[BROseidon]

Bro / AH are town, Aero is leaning town.
I like Kurio a little more than N_M.
Ari kinda leans town to me, but I need to check something re: Dav before I ofically put that read on the table.

So who's the scum?

[BROseidon]

Question - if Aero were scum, would the motivate have given him 2 kills?

[BROseidon]

The snowstorm was pretty bad tbh.

I didn't go outside all weekend. Walking to work today was shit.

[BROseidon]

wut

[BROseidon]

I'll look at this again tonight, but there's like a 75% chance I just vote park on Ari and a 25% chance I switch to NM at this point.

[BROseidon]

Yeah I'm sticking with the Ari lynch at this point. Ari->NM is my preferred order.

[BROseidon]

Hey guys, who wants to get stuck in an infinite NL->NK loop because if not_mafia kills again it confirms him as the remaining scum?

[BROseidon]

Kuroi and Kittehs have both been blocked by not_maf. That means that it has to be him or me unless the kill is unblockable.

If we NL, him performing a kill confirms him as scum (which I know to be the case from my POV). Therefore he has to NK.

VOTE: not_maf

[BROseidon]

Broseidon, how would you have approached this game differently if your alignment were different?

If I were scum, I wouldn't have initiated the pressure on Davsto. Being in a 2-person scum team in an 11 person game would have made me strongly averse to bussing, especially given that I'd have the ability with this playerlist to throw my weight around and keep eyes off of Davsto and on other soft targets throughout the game (not to mention that his role was fucking bonkers, which would have provided further incentive not to bus). My first pressure target would have likely been Persivul, Shiro, FA, or Soren.

[BROseidon]

@Bro: thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Would you have been assuming 2:11 right off the bat or multiball?

I would have assumed a traitor, SK, or multiball, in that order.

[BROseidon]

Plot, what exactly are you trying to figure out here? You're putting in a lot of effort for ~something~, but I can't really tell what that ~something~ is.

[BROseidon]

Also Mala being completely absent for this entire game is starting to really bug me.

[BROseidon]

This game is ~slow~ now.

I'm still very happy with my not_maf vote. Night actions notwithstanding, I still feel very good about plot and reasonably decent about not_maf.

[BROseidon]

Although stalling out the day phase for an NL isn't really ~bad~ either.

[BROseidon]

I think I've vaguely leaning for an NL just so that PK can get NK'd and I can be more sure that my read there is right.

[BROseidon]

UNVOTE: not_maf

[BROseidon]

Then there's part of me that's just really confident that it's not_maf and kind of just wants to finish it.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: NL

everyone pls request short night.

[BROseidon]

Not maf claim action.

[BROseidon]

Also how did Kuroi request a short night if he hasn't been online since 1:02am?

[BROseidon]

Or submit an action, for that matter?

[BROseidon]

I think we should lynch today.

VOTE: not_maf

[BROseidon]

Cool so I was right about Kuroi being town this whole time.

[BROseidon]

I don't really have anything else to say at this point.

Kuroi, if you have any questions for me, shoot, but otherwise I'm not really changing stances at this point.

[BROseidon]

The boss is around so I got to get off this for an hour or two. However, BROseidon, please reflect on this. I'm curious as to your opinions on PK and NM.

I've had a super hard townread on PK the entire game. My track record of reading Mala is super good, and even with having recently taken time off I pegged her super quickly as scum in Wedding Invitational mafia. Her posts this game have screamed town to me, although she's been in the thread far less than I'd have liked (although she doesn't ~really~ lurk as scum). I've also been town reading Plotinus - I've broadly liked his approach and analytics this game, and the level of effort he's put in the past 2 day phases in particular when it would have been pretty unnecessary of scum-him to do so makes me further think he's town.

Not Mafia I didn't really ever have much of an opinion on, and at this point it's kind of PoE. The fact that, mechanically speaking, he has to be scum unless there's a second strongman-type ability left in play also makes me feel good about this.

[BROseidon]

GOD DAMMIT.

[BROseidon]

So basically this setup was 11:2 with a town neighborizer and a bunch of town shit that did nothing?

[BROseidon]

I think that the FA modkill hurt town because it caused me to neighborize scum instead of town, which killed the only ~real~ power that town had this game.

[BROseidon]

And it let Plot work me over good in the neighborhood while I basically privately hand-fed him setup spec.

Like, even if mastin/talah didn't claim in thread, there was a 50% chance that they would have gotten NK'd because I'd figured it out and handed it to scum on a silver platter :/

[BROseidon]

I'm sorry for deceiving you, bro.

We can call it payback for We Didn't Playtest This!

[BROseidon]

I'm mostly annoyed with this game b/c this is three games in a row since coming back where I've been town and have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and two of them were with fferyllt modding and with Mala as scum >.>

[BROseidon]

#thenumbersdontlie.