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In post 9, clearance only wrote:Cakes are you town?
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In post 37, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 32, clearance only wrote:Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.
-Sensei
Why are you being so weird?
My first Zelda was twilight princess and the best one is ocarina of time
This is an odd reaction. How is cleavage only being weird?-
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In post 43, Phoenix Wright wrote:Cleavage is shaking that their was serious even though there was no reason for a serious vote. I didn't do anything suspicious. The other guy who voted me was being weird too, but I saw his post as more of a joke while cleavage seemed to mean what they were saying
They said your RVS vote was lame and disconnected. I'd say that's serious, no?-
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Oh you misinterpreted my post.
I initially asked this
In post 42, SirCakez wrote:In post 37, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 32, clearance only wrote:Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.
-Sensei
Why are you being so weird?
My first Zelda was twilight princess and the best one is ocarina of time
This is an odd reaction. How is cleavage only being weird?
And then I thought 43 was a response to that.
So then could you answer the post I just quoted now?-
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In post 62, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 59, SirCakez wrote:But why did you initially say they were being so weird? That's the question I initially asked.
I already answered that. They were voting seriously against me without having a reason to. That's weird
This is just going in circles now ugh. Your responses feel town enough for now.-
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Not getting any strong vibes as to who's scum right now. Letting you vs Phoenix play out before reassessing it. Toogeloo's early posts were pretty weak so they're nullscum for me right now. More people need to be posting.-
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In post 190, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.
He isn't the leading wagon. 2 people just unvoted him. And really don't know what all of you want from me. Of I let my vote on cleavage and kept arguing you'd say that I'm scum because none of you were actually listening to what I was saying. Toogeloo said the exact same things as me in response to cleavage's posts and nobody acted like they were bad points then. And when I unvoted because I realized how suicidal it would be for scum to hard push like that, it was also apparently scummy. So if defending myself is scummy and realizingbtahtbthe person I'm fighting and inviting is scummy what exactly was I supposed to?
This is very flawed. I've seen death tunneling scum who lived to endgame before, making a hard push like this is not suicidal at all. Defending yourself isn't scummy, its the way you tried to stop needing to defend yourself.-
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In post 199, Phoenix Wright wrote:But that's not what I was trying to do. I know that this is a game where you have to deeply analyze people's posts, but you've all been over analyzing everything I've said for a long time now. There's no hidden agenda, there's no deeper meaning: when I say something I mean exactly what I'm saying. So when I have my reason for unvoting him, I was being genuine. You're seriously trying to tell me that after a mislynch you wouldn't be suspicious of the people who lead that wagon? Maybe you're right and I just don't know how it works. I've only finished one game after all, and it wasn't on this site
Saying it's genuine doesn't make it genuine. Of course we are analyzing your posts a lot, we're suspicious of you.
And yeah you should be suspicious of people who lead a mislynch.-
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In post 209, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 206, SirCakez wrote:If you are town, then he would be leading a mislynch on you. How does that correlate to unvoting him?
Because that would make him the most suspicious person on day 2. I already said this like 5 times
So you're basically saying because they're making a hard push they can't be scum? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@cleavage - I'm having a hard time getting reads on people because the thread has been utterly dominated by cleavage vs Phoenix. I'm trying to get engaged but not enough people are posting.-
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In post 212, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 211, SirCakez wrote:In post 209, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 206, SirCakez wrote:If you are town, then he would be leading a mislynch on you. How does that correlate to unvoting him?
Because that would make him the most suspicious person on day 2. I already said this like 5 times
So you're basically saying because they're making a hard push they can't be scum? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@cleavage - I'm having a hard time getting reads on people because the thread has been utterly dominated by cleavage vs Phoenix. I'm trying to get engaged but not enough people are posting.
Wouldn't scum just opportunistically jump on the wagon and make a few comments of agreement every now and then? They want a mislynch, but they don't want to be in the spotlight. Like you said, all the attention is focused on me and cleavage. I don't think scum would want that
This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.-
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In post 216, Toogeloo wrote:
Would you be happier if we gave percentages on our reads? Like, I don't know how anyone else can't see it, but Phoenix is like 97.452% town. That gives me 2.548% of being wrong I guess.In post 213, SirCakez wrote:This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.
I don't see how this is relevant.
220 is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.-
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In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.
Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?-
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Dwlee why are you still voting Davsto?
It's really obvious if you look at the post. Radja wasn't doing anything PW accused him of.-
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In post 316, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
The entire cleavage vs PW happened in those 100 posts. Yes my read changed as a result. The vote wasn't a response to Davsto being a leading wagon, that was just a side question I asked.-
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In post 325, clearance only wrote:In post 322, Nahdia wrote:God there sure are a lot of words here someone please tell me what to think lol
Vote for cakes.
*slaps*
Get back on PW-
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In post 293, clearance only wrote:Something off about this post.
Like, tonally it's coming across like coaching.
Which can be scummy.
But I think it's worse considering cakes is scumreading PW so I'm scratching my head at the motivation for cakes to make sure PW is using what he considers more solid reasoning for his reads.
Missed this. I was explaining why I was scumreading him in response to his questions, this isn't coaching at all.-
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In post 343, Phoenix Wright wrote:@sircakes I just noticed something. You've said that my logic for unvoting cleavage was bad and you've said that you don't like my posts, but you never explained why you don't like them or why you think I'm scum. You just said my posts are bad. That's not really an explanation
Pretty sure I did explain whatever I said was bad. Quote what I didn't explain?-
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In post 347, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 345, SirCakez wrote:In post 343, Phoenix Wright wrote:@sircakes I just noticed something. You've said that my logic for unvoting cleavage was bad and you've said that you don't like my posts, but you never explained why you don't like them or why you think I'm scum. You just said my posts are bad. That's not really an explanation
Pretty sure I did explain whatever I said was bad. Quote what I didn't explain?
I notice that you didn't deny that you never explained why you think I'm scum.
Did you even read the post?-
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In post 382, Radja wrote:I'm not people?
You're a person, not people. I was referring to everyone else.
Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 378, SirCakez wrote:Why was there absolutely zero mention of your suspicions until cleavage voted me?
Case coming when I get to a computer later
I was t suspicious until they brought up why they thought you were suspicious. Remember my read list? I said that you didn't make enough of your own points so I had you as null.
P-edit: you running in here as doo as Radja offers you a decent defense is opportunistic as shit
So you're saying you didn't think I was scummy until someone else told you I was scummy?
And that's because he got to it before I did.-
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thanks guys
In post 435, clearance only wrote:In post 428, SirCakez wrote:I actually have a terrible town game
No you don't. You and gale wanted a cop on titus in pyp and I talked you guys out of it. And I changed my read on voided but you stuck to your guns there correctly.
Feel better man.
That's because I had you two talking to me about the game and I was posting very little in the main game. My town game while solo is horrendous. Look at Open 623. I lead three mislynches then was the mislynch in LyLo. Titus can attest. But that's not really super relevant.
I'm feeling a bit better so I dragged myself downstairs. I'll be putting the case together now. Give me a bit.-
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Why I think Phoenix Wright is scum
-His unvote in 136 looks like an attempt to disengage from an argument when the tide turned against him. Deathtunneling does not automatically equal town and it looks like an excuse to try to escape his 1 v 1 with Cleavage. His reasons for unvoting the wagon were flawed and I explained why in a series of posts starting in 195.
-220 is a terrible vote. Radja popped in and started catching up and PW immediately made a vote on him for "agreeing with everyone else" which is not indicative of scum first of all, then as well he was unable to back it up when the point was refuted by Radja.
-His jump on me when Cleavage started pushing me was opportunistic as hell. He made zero mention of being suspicious of me until others began pushing me. This is a running trend throughout his ISO. He is very cautious and makes sure what he does fits with what most of the other players think at the time.
-387 and 390 are flail posts that town wouldn't make. After I refuted his points he instead decided to "stop talking to me" and run away.-
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In post 455, Dwlee99 wrote:I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.
Why are people townreading this ugh-
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In post 460, Phoenix Wright wrote:And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol
Only one of those was after I said I would write my case pretty sure. And you asked why I thought you were scum, you got it.-
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In post 452, clearance only wrote:In post 334, clearance only wrote:In post 273, SirCakez wrote:In post 257, Dwlee99 wrote:Their V key is broken, toog.
Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?
Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.
It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.
It's 100% a scum post.
Vote for cakes.
Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.
I've already explained this question.
God I hate deathtunnelers-
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In post 459, Phoenix Wright wrote:That's a pretty weak case. Even if my reason for unvoting is "flawed", it wasn't an attempt to disengage and there's no way that you can prove that. The second thing you mentioned was a misunderstanding which once again I've already said. We've already gone over why your 3rd point is dumb. And that's not what scum flailing means, so yeah. Those are definitely posts that town would make. I was making an obvious point and you weren't listening to me at all. Who wants to argue with a brick wall?
That's why I said it sure looks like an attempt to disengage. Obviously I can't see inside your head but from my viewpoint that's what it looks like.
P-Edit: What posturing?-
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7589445
Says 13p Role Madness. Idk why the OP doesn't.-
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In post 481, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 462, SirCakez wrote:In post 455, Dwlee99 wrote:I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.
Why are people townreading this ugh
Cause I'm town. :3
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