Mini 1792: Baccano! Mafia [Game Over]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nosferatu
MY TUMMY HURTS

[Dwlee99]

I have a question

@MOD: Does being immune to all kills include lynches

[Dwlee99]

no because the game could end.

[Dwlee99]

top kek

[Dwlee99]

i say stupid stuff sometimes and therefore am not gonna lynch flore

[Dwlee99]

idek

[Dwlee99]

are you a ghost

[Dwlee99]

I was going to say something about how the assassin picking "wrong" could still hit town but then I remembered BP ICs are op.

[Dwlee99]

Once during the game, you may post

Eat: [playername]

in thread. If the targeted player is Maiza Avaro, he dies and you leave the game victorious. Otherwise, you leave the game in defeat.

Notice the "Otherwise" condition does not include the targeted player dying.

oh

[Dwlee99]

But you could be scum loved

[Dwlee99]

All players know who maiza is by default.

Whether or not the mafia specifically know is not public information.

this makes no sense

[Dwlee99]

Okay so random players may have been chosen to not know maiza and it is possible the mafia are included

[Dwlee99]

I have some town reads, nahdia.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Alban
Agreed, nos

[Dwlee99]

What? I think you may have just done literally the stupidest thing ever and ruined.my.hopes and dreams,

[Dwlee99]

That was unbelievably retarded from everyone

qft

[Dwlee99]

Did you seriously suggest a policy lynch on me? what
But fate you are juat screaming your head off about camn, why do you even have that scum.read? I recall them not responding but people are busy. Meta?

[Dwlee99]

Dude I wasnt checking mafia at night. I was on the phone (skype technically) and then went to sleep.

As for your case: Fuck it
VOTE: Camn

[Dwlee99]

If we lynch the mafia we dont need to.worry about the assassin

[Dwlee99]

im prepared to fight you, you poorly drawn hoodie wearing rapscallion if u keep voting camm it will be a SCUMCLAIM

p-edit Fate hello yes how are u carry on pal.

FIGHT ME.IRL.M8

[Dwlee99]

I'm p sure cerb actually doesn't do much D1 and it isn't looking for a pass?
I don't have much experience with them but I think they're fine.
At the same time I see where you're coming from with that. I recognize my play early game is really really shit but I am trying to improve so
Just realized this post makes no sense but ay

[Dwlee99]

The assassin doesnt have a loved modifier and that confirned foles as not assassin.

[Dwlee99]

iirc, the assassin is unable to be night killed. Also, we would not lynch the assassin as they would be scumhunting in order to kill the mafia and they want to stay alive so they can find the king.

[Dwlee99]

I am just gonna assume nahdia is the szlizard and laugh

[Dwlee99]

the mod told me it is possible a few people were disincluded from knowing who maize is.

[Dwlee99]

well i've been told a certain set number of people could not have the information (assigned randomly) and both mafia could somehow not get the info.

[Dwlee99]

They self voted. Lynching for that is p chill

[Dwlee99]

could we not

[Dwlee99]

All the talk of mechanics just makes me apathetic about reading a whole lot of nothing

[Dwlee99]

I cant even remember.
Like foles probably town, I remember fate worrying me cant remember when but yea. Ill do thiss
VOTE: Fate

[Dwlee99]

fate just claim assassin

i agree

[Dwlee99]

yea lynch fate

[Dwlee99]

did someone vig one of them?

[Dwlee99]

what fake guilty

[Dwlee99]

Fuck policy lynches, man. fate claimed 3p idk when

[Dwlee99]

He said "why are you lynching claimed 3p"

[Dwlee99]

Camn reminds me of rc if camn is town

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Camn
L something

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: heuristically_alone

[Dwlee99]

HI OK GAME IS BACK I CAN END THIS WITHDRAWL

[Dwlee99]

Since comprehending this game in any way is difficult af~
Claiming ascetic is the correct play because otherwise a possible x-shot role or just any town role might use their ability on you which would be a complete waste of that role's night action.

[Dwlee99]

nosferatu I want a casr like the one you did in game shop mafia. :3

[Dwlee99]

oh.

[Dwlee99]

well, if you're town here you could also do it and catch scum

[Dwlee99]

oh.

Had you not considered this turn of events?

I didnt expect nos to just say they could do that as scum

[Dwlee99]

why out of those 3 are you picking on me

[Dwlee99]

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

[Dwlee99]

Yo nos, somehow I missed your 27 pagebottom. when did you make a case while you were scum like that?

[Dwlee99]

I dont even.remember that. your case most likely wasnt the same quality as the one from game shop

[Dwlee99]

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

unvote
vote: dwlee

bleh

ok so I think I might vote nos because they didnt really make a case in red neighborhood and it seems like their response was just a way to get out of the situation kind of.
In red neighborhood he didn't make a case at all similar to the way he made a case in game shop. Although upon checking nosferatu did say, and I quote: "You shouldn't townread me off of my case on you, I can make a case on anyone. I could argue aero and frogger are scum together and they pretended to clear each other through meta that no one would bother to verify because of their portrayed confidence. Does that make me town because I bothered to actually care about the game? No, it means I saw something and I went after it, something scum can do just as easily as town." that game. This could point to it being less of a way to get out of the situation and more of something they honestly believe.

[Dwlee99]

that game is gameshop mafia, the game he made the case on davesaz.

[Dwlee99]

I have a scummy nom for SCUM play, camn. Maybe youre the one being dense? I havent even been scummy, I am just not doing well this game.

[Dwlee99]

You cant BoP me is my point lol

[Dwlee99]

don't think I'm being useless but -shrug-

[Dwlee99]

one-liners is my posting style. Do you have anything to say that isn't just my playstyle?

[Dwlee99]

nulltownish

[Dwlee99]

my posts do have game related content lol

[Dwlee99]

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

lol

[Dwlee99]

ok

[Dwlee99]

Who of nahdia / whitelight is more likely to be the scum's kill?

[Dwlee99]

Yes, I am rolefishing the vig, not trying to determine who the scum kill is so I can figure out why they were killed.

[Dwlee99]

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

[Dwlee99]

what?

[Dwlee99]

what are you even asking.

[Dwlee99]

Who of nahdia / whitelight is more likely to be the scum's kill?

(that was not meant to be a "haha you're scum just claim already" but a "why are you asking a random-ass question that noone has any privileged information towards instead of giving your opinion and then asking the question" sort)

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

??????????????????????????????

WHAT DOES THIS POST MEAN

[Dwlee99]

I think I might try iso mapping nahdia and whitelight after I play some league

[Dwlee99]

okay I think I'm about to start. Hopefully it doesn't take too long.

legend

• + working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
  
• - working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
  
• = neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
  
• == stating explicitly that a person is a null read
  
• ? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
  
• v votes
  
• u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
  
• ☾ marks boundaries between days.
  
• ✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
  
• R marking the boundaries where a replacement of the slot i'm mapping occurred
  
• r shows where the slot they're interacting with was replaced
  
• ⌾ marks a slot that has been tree-stumped or had their alignment revealed by the mod (IC or similar)
  
• _ conspicuous absences (the only slot left off a readslist, for example)

[Dwlee99]

Nahdia

camntsuki (camn + katsuki) = 125 + [/post]256[/post] + 258 + 490
Nosferatu -? 125
Thor665 (replaces alban) -? 333 - 344 - 431 v 432 - 438 - 439 - 443
Cerberus v666 + 34 ? 35 + 56 + 92 + 99 + 102
Aristophanes v 6 u 34= 265 = 342 v 490
Florestan v 34 - 56 u 120 = 125 v- 283 -284 u 300 = 335 = 337 -? 535
Staeg = 300
AlpacaAlpaca = 352
Dwlee99 + 92 +? or -? 128 +?-? 256 -? 258 -? 365
heuristically_alone -? 148

Fate

- 494 v 512

Notes: 509 could be a reason they died.

[Dwlee99]

WhiteLight

camntsuki (camn + katsuki) == 270 v 302 u 312
Nosferatu = 14
Thor665 (replaces alban) = 422
Cerberus v666 + 54 + 55 = 65 - 96 - 101 + 360
Aristophanes v 5 u 48 +? 302 -? 329 + 530
Florestan = 14 = 33 - 46 + 75 + 291 -?- - -? 302 - 321 - 330 - 334 -? 530
Staeg + 330
AlpacaAlpaca = 168 = 385
Dwlee99 = 59 = 61 + 96 + 254 + 330 -? 429
heuristically_alone -? 141 = 377 - 420
Fate + + 302 + 330 v 465 - 522 -? 530

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to assume nahdia was killed for 509.

[Dwlee99]

florestan seems to be heavily scum read by white light and kind of scum read by nahdia, gonna look into that slot now.

[Dwlee99]

I am getting nothing out of this iso.

[Dwlee99]

Well
1. That would take so much time that just no
2. People are often killed for their reads

[Dwlee99]

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

ok

Dwlee just said it was ok for him to die.

lol @ this post

[Dwlee99]

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

I answered that question at Daystart - if it's exciting to you why not ask me about my conclusions?

I did ask. niwuehiuthg

Lemme try again. Thor, do you think Nahdia or whitelight got vigged?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee and h_a aren't both scum are they?
They have to both be scum

I'm not. HA probably is tbh

[Dwlee99]

For the record I did ask you because I asked everyone in the thread who they thought was the vig shot. I think the vig shot was whitelight because nahdia softclaimed. I think scum probably picked up on that.

[Dwlee99]

Oh and yea I am p sure I was town reading nahdia.

[Dwlee99]

Just checked. I thought they were town or slizard.

[Dwlee99]

Scumclaim? How?

[Dwlee99]

I wish there was a way to automatically do iso maps. they took me so long to do but I feel likr they could be super useful to make about living players.

[Dwlee99]

Oh yea he did the same thing to me. Still paranoid it is an idiot tell not a scum tell tbh

[Dwlee99]

A vigilante might shoot whitelight if they scum read them or maybe the vig hates hydras?

Pedit lol camn

[Dwlee99]

If skimming was only done by scum I would be scum every.game.

[Dwlee99]

Camn you have so much confbias right now it is pretty funny

[Dwlee99]

A few prods need to be had. Just realized aristo.has 86 posts and has barely caught my attention. What's up with that?

pedit Pretty fair? They are taking every single one of my posts and twisting it to be scummy in whatever way possible while ignoring everything that makes me town.

[Dwlee99]

WhiteLight

camntsuki (camn + katsuki) == 270 v 302 u 312
Nosferatu = 14
Thor665 (replaces alban) = 422
Cerberus v666 + 54 + 55 = 65 - 96 - 101 + 360
Aristophanes v 5 u 48 +? 302 -? 329 + 530
Florestan = 14 = 33 - 46 + 75 + 291 -?- - -? 302 - 321 - 330 - 334 -? 530
Staeg + 330
AlpacaAlpaca = 168 = 385
Dwlee99 = 59 = 61 + 96 + 254 + 330 -? 429
heuristically_alone -? 141 = 377 - 420
Fate + + 302 + 330 v 465 - 522 -? 530

If whitelight was the nk flore looks REALLY bad.

[Dwlee99]

I didnt even realize he looked into who was the vig shot until he told.me.

[Dwlee99]

I sorta suspect Nahdia was Vigged and WL was Mafia-ed.

Wow I missed this one sentence I am OBVIOUSLY scum

[Dwlee99]

Do I really to claim here?

[Dwlee99]

Ok so I have to say Dwlee you seem to have hit the point where you realize that people know you're scum and have stopped caring.

What the fuck? So when I stop being apathetic towards the game I am not caring? k then

Your response to people saying you are scum in Post 731, 733, 768, and 785 has been laughing and just ignoring it

I cant defend against people just saying I am scum. I have responded to every actual thing people have said

and than going on to ask a question that for a proper answer would have needed some rereading on your part and yet you missed Thor's original response to it earlier in the day.

I read through whitelight and nahdia trying to.see who got vigged or scum killed, not the entire game

You don't seem to have a defense except for

If skimming was only done by scum I would be scum every.game.

which is really weak, I mean if you are going to ask a question and off your own opinion on it than do the research first.

I have given other defenses. Also I asked the question to.get responses while I researched it. Why would I wait to.ask a question I had?

Even on the chance that I will seem scummy for placing Dwlee on l-1 he doesn't seem to be putting effort into this game anymore and his 0 defense has me thinking that he really is scum.
VOTE: Dwlee99

This is all just wrong. I am putting effort in right now.and I have defended myself.

[Dwlee99]

snip

Dwlee99

- His ISO is SUPER THIN, and I could totally see scum here.
snip
OK. Who is scum/3p? They are in here [AlpacaAlpaca, Dwlee99, Cerberus, heuristically], probably in that order, in my current opinion.

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dwlee99

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

Alpaca is a brand new rookie, joined this month.
you have scummy noms and per reports are generally active.
So don't be dense- this is not a meta argument, it's here and here alone. I expect more.

Again- why are you being so scummy?

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

Thor- it's because he barely skimmed, and then when we started making noise about his lynch he had to start "scumhunting" somehow, with this weird map thing and vig-spec?
Its all fake. That's why he didn't look into your answers... cuz he doesn't care. He knows who his team killed... he just wants to seem like he is doing something.

Why didn't you look into Thor's original answers then?
I posit it is because you don't care about the answer to your 'who got vigged' speculation.
That instead you wanna look busy, and expose the vig as a side bonus.

What is YOUR explanation for blowing it off? That you 'skim as town, lol?'

This is all of.camn's "case" on me.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Everyone read through these again

OK. I agree this game needs more than us and Cerb.
That said- 2 points on him:
a> is the language necessary? My virgin ears.
b> I don't think claiming ascetic up front is a scummy play. I think LINKING "I'm Ascetic" with "obv don't consider lynching me until just before LYLO" is the scummy part. We should lynch him when and where WE choose.. not where HE chooses.

That is down ftr, but I think we can table the discussion for now..

lets reset:

Nosferatu

- I WANT to sheep Staeg on this.. but looking over his ISO I don really feel much scumminess here. I don't like Hated claims, but if it's true its town right? Maybe Slizard? I think town though. So I am not feeling it for now.

Thor665

- I am townreading this slot. He is the townthor I remember from back in the day.

Cerberus v666

Discussion tabled.

Aristophanes

- Reasonably strong townread here.. although maybe its the buddying. Which I appreciate. Willing to sheep.

Florestan

- That slip up front was a compelling thing.. but things have turned up since. Probably town?

Staeg

I WANT this to be a townslot. I like the hunting. But I am POE-ing myself into a corner here with all these townreads. I could totally be getting fooled here.

POE leaves these 3 as the not-town, If I assume Cerebrustown:

AlpacaAlpaca

"aw, Shucks" in 555 is a classic tell. Otherwise mostly lurky. Again, I could totally go this way.

Dwlee99

- His ISO is SUPER THIN, and I could totally see scum here.

heuristically_alone

- Also a thin ISO.. but I get a tiny townvibe from it.

OK. Who is scum/3p? They are in here [AlpacaAlpaca, Dwlee99, Cerberus, heuristically], probably in that order, in my current opinion.

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dwlee99

why out of those 3 are you picking on me

I expect more of you, that's why.
What's up, anyway? Why are you being so scummy?

Aristo- do we? I wish we did.
Alpaca- its one of Tar's Standard Tells. I'm old school like that.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

Well, he is the one I am a little uncertain about, too.
But I think WAY less scumm than Alpaca or Dwlee, right?

Agreed.
Dwlee having a low postcounr makes me think scum, so I'm in.
VOTE: Dwlee

Def can see Alpaca or Cerb Vig shots tn. Likely the former unless an SK.

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

Yo nos, somehow I missed your 27 pagebottom. when did you make a case while you were scum like that?

Yo nos, somehow I missed your 27 pagebottom. when did you make a case while you were scum like that?

red neighborhood.

I dont even.remember that. your case most likely wasnt the same quality as the one from game shop

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

unvote
vote: dwlee

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

unvote
vote: dwlee

bleh

ok so I think I might vote nos because they didnt really make a case in red neighborhood and it seems like their response was just a way to get out of the situation kind of.
In red neighborhood he didn't make a case at all similar to the way he made a case in game shop. Although upon checking nosferatu did say, and I quote: "You shouldn't townread me off of my case on you, I can make a case on anyone. I could argue aero and frogger are scum together and they pretended to clear each other through meta that no one would bother to verify because of their portrayed confidence. Does that make me town because I bothered to actually care about the game? No, it means I saw something and I went after it, something scum can do just as easily as town." that game. This could point to it being less of a way to get out of the situation and more of something they honestly believe.

that game is gameshop mafia, the game he made the case on davesaz.

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

Alpaca is a brand new rookie, joined this month.
you have scummy noms and per reports are generally active.
So don't be dense- this is not a meta argument, it's here and here alone. I expect more.

Again- why are you being so scummy?

I have a scummy nom for SCUM play, camn. Maybe youre the one being dense? I havent even been scummy, I am just not doing well this game.

VOTE: Dwlee its either this or playing well is a scum tell

You cant BoP me is my point lol

I agree with the above statement though, townDwlee not finding scum would not suprise me and make me want to lynch him. Being a ball of uselessness does though.

don't think I'm being useless but -shrug-

I had forgotten you were in this game level of uselessness. I reread your iso and its devoid of anything that any thought was put into.

one-liners is my posting style. Do you have anything to say that isn't just my playstyle?

@Dwlee, Staeg, Floreston (you 3 are voting but not on Cerb)

What are your reads on Cerb?

nulltownish

uh reread my iso Cerb is one of my top scumreads but since he already has wayyy to much stuff involving him I'm trying to deal with other people right now.

Also Dwlee oneliners are fine when they actually relate to the game. Yours don't.

my posts do have game related content lol

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

lol

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

ok

Who of nahdia / whitelight is more likely to be the scum's kill?

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

Yes, I am rolefishing the vig, not trying to determine who the scum kill is so I can figure out why they were killed.

Yes, I am rolefishing the vig, not trying to determine who the scum kill is so I can figure out why they were killed.

So you're not going to venture into the depths of your mind to figure out why, even when prompted, and simply leave the question open to everyone else?

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

Who of nahdia / whitelight is more likely to be the scum's kill?

(that was not meant to be a "haha you're scum just claim already" but a "why are you asking a random-ass question that noone has any privileged information towards instead of giving your opinion and then asking the question" sort)

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

??????????????????????????????

what?

w/e

more votes please

what are you even asking.

more votes please!

Who of nahdia / whitelight is more likely to be the scum's kill?

(that was not meant to be a "haha you're scum just claim already" but a "why are you asking a random-ass question that noone has any privileged information towards instead of giving your opinion and then asking the question" sort)

He is rolefishing the Vig, thats's why.

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

??????????????????????????????

WHAT DOES THIS POST MEAN

I think I might try iso mapping nahdia and whitelight after I play some league

Thats a better idea....if you are really town, you just nk-spec both...if you believe in nk-spec, that is.

all this asking who might be the kill is just role fishing. nobody knows but the scums and the Vig. no one else's opinion on it is even worth anything!
thus, asking is not productive, except for scum.

Dwlee have you ever done NKA before? Usually its better to read how other people interact with the slot (how townread they are, 1v1s, deathtunnels etc.) than the posts the slot makes.

Well
1. That would take so much time that just no
2. People are often killed for their reads

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

ok

Dwlee just said it was ok for him to die.

Your defense is weak, and you will die for it.

ok

Dwlee just said it was ok for him to die.

lol @ this post

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

I answered that question at Daystart - if it's exciting to you why not ask me about my conclusions?

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

I answered that question at Daystart - if it's exciting to you why not ask me about my conclusions?

I did ask. niwuehiuthg

Lemme try again. Thor, do you think Nahdia or whitelight got vigged?

Dwlee and h_a aren't both scum are they?
They have to both be scum

You're pointing out sloppy play from them.
Pretty sure sloppy play doesn't assure us of scum, or of them being in cahoots with their cunning ploy of playing sloppy.

I started looking through nahdia's iso a bit. I dont think it will really help though. Nahdia said something about being scum read so maybe they were the vig.kill. Idk why people wont just answer their opinion..?

I answered that question at Daystart - if it's exciting to you why not ask me about my conclusions?

I did ask. niwuehiuthg

Lemme try again. Thor, do you think Nahdia or whitelight got vigged?

No you didn't ask, you silly boy - at daySTART I already said who my presumed Vig/scum shots were - ages before you "asked".
Even now, you're "asking" me while being unaware of who I even said I thought the Vig shot was - so what the hell are you smoking?
Like, seriously, if this interested you - why didn't it interest you when I was theorizing on it?

As to your question, for starters, Nahdia is who I suggested was Vigged.
For reasons - um...did you town read her Day 1? She was a top lynch choice for a period of time even. Whereas White Light wasn't, at all.
If scum shot Nahdia, scum are dumb. Seems self evident, really.
WHo did you think the Vig shot?

For the record I did ask you because I asked everyone in the thread who they thought was the vig shot. I think the vig shot was whitelight because nahdia softclaimed. I think scum probably picked up on that.

Oh and yea I am p sure I was town reading nahdia.

For the record I did ask you because I asked everyone in the thread who they thought was the vig shot. I think the vig shot was whitelight because nahdia softclaimed. I think scum probably picked up on that.

I will agree that after i had already stated my thoughts you addressed a question to the thread about it without addressing my already presented thoughts - I'm pretty sure that's what I was already saying, but I'll repeat it for you all you want.

Why would a Vig shoot White Light?

Thor- it's because he barely skimmed, and then when we started making noise about his lynch he had to start "scumhunting" somehow, with this weird map thing and vig-spec?
Its all fake. That's why he didn't look into your answers... cuz he doesn't care. He knows who his team killed... he just wants to seem like he is doing something.

A vigilante might shoot whitelight if they scum read them or maybe the vig hates hydras?

Pedit lol camn

If skimming was only done by scum I would be scum every.game.

Why didn't you look into Thor's original answers then?
I posit it is because you don't care about the answer to your 'who got vigged' speculation.
That instead you wanna look busy, and expose the vig as a side bonus.

What is YOUR explanation for blowing it off? That you 'skim as town, lol?'

I didnt even realize he looked into who was the vig shot until he told.me.

I sorta suspect Nahdia was Vigged and WL was Mafia-ed.

Wow I missed this one sentence I am OBVIOUSLY scum

[Dwlee99]

Aristophanes May 07, 04:41pm May 19, 11:34pm 2 days 10 hours 86
The Daily Days May 05, 02:24pm May 19, 02:26pm 2 days 20 hours 23
Nosferatu May 07, 07:04pm May 19, 01:12pm 2 days 21 hours 34

[Dwlee99]

they're ignoring me trying to figure stuff out right now.

[Dwlee99]

they're ignoring me trying to figure stuff out right now.

dude you're doing night kill analysis on day 2.

Okay and?

[Dwlee99]

figure stuff out

this. that's not what nka is on day 2. camn has quite remarkably described what nka on day 2 is.
What conclusions do you hope to reach through your nka? I saw something like "flore looks bad if somethingoranother." Does that still hold? Do you believe that the main metric scum would use for shooting is "who suspects us most"?

I think it is something scum use, not all the time, but it is something. I was considering trashing my NKA based on nahdia's softclaim cause if scum shot nahdia for that then NKA means nothing. But even if so their reads are still important to look at.
pedit Thor, I already said how I was apathetic. I'm here now figuring stuff out.

[Dwlee99]

-? or +? = .5
Votes =

1

- or + = 1

Nahdia

camntsuki (camn + katsuki) = 125 + 256 + 258 + 490

3

Nosferatu -? 125

.5

Thor665 (replaces alban) -? 333 - 344 - 431 v 432 - 438 - 439 - 443

6.5

Cerberus v666 + 34 ? 35 + 56 + 92 + 99 + 102

5

Aristophanes v 6 u 34= 265 = 342 v 490

1

(Removing the RVS vote from the count)
Florestan v 34 - 56 u 120 = 125 v- 283 -284 u 300 = 335 = 337 -? 535

5.5

Staeg = 300 0
AlpacaAlpaca = 352 0
Dwlee99 + 92 +? or -? 128 +?-? 256 -? 258 -? 365 0
heuristically_alone -? 148

.5

Fate

- 494 v 512

1.5

Notes: 509 could be a reason they died.

WhiteLight

camntsuki (camn + katsuki) == 270 v 302 u 312

1

Nosferatu = 14 0
Thor665 (replaces alban) = 422 0
Cerberus v666 + 54 + 55 = 65 - 96 - 101 + 360

1

Aristophanes v 5 u 48 +? 302 -? 329 + 530

1

(Removing the RVS vote from the count)
Florestan = 14 = 33 - 46 + 75 + 291 -?- - -? 302 - 321 - 330 - 334 -? 530

5.5

Staeg + 330

1

AlpacaAlpaca = 168 = 385 0
Dwlee99 = 59 = 61 + 96 + 254 + 330 -? 429

2.5

heuristically_alone -? 141 = 377 - 420

1.5

Fate + + 302 + 330 v 465 - 522 -? 530

.5

[Dwlee99]

what question from HA didn't I answer? If you're referring to his "what is your read on cerb" question I answered in 711

[Dwlee99]

I'm still at L-1, do you guys want me to claim or will someone unvote before there is a derp hammer?

[Dwlee99]

Key

Firm town = >= 5 town points
Town = 2 - 5 town points
Null Town = .5 - 2 town points
Null = 0
Null Scum = .5 - 2 scum points
Scum = 2 - 5 scum points.
Firm Scum = >= 5 scum points

Nahdia Reads List

Firm Town:
Cerberus

5

Town:
Camntsuki

3

Null Town:
None

Null:
Staeg
AlpacaAlpaca
Dwlee99

Null Scum:
Nosferatu

.5

Heuristically Alone

.5

Aristo

1

Scum:
None

Firm Scum:
Florestan

5.5

Thor

6.5

Whitelight Reads List

Firm Town:
None

Town:
Dwlee99

2.5

Null Town:
Cerberus v666

1

Aristophanes

1

Staeg

1

Null:
Nosferatu
Thor
AlpacaAlpaca

Null Scum:
Fate

.5

Camntsuki

1

Heuristically_Alone

1.5

Scum:
None

Firm Scum:
Florestan

5.5

[Dwlee99]

Shared Reads

Town:
Cerberus

Scum:
Heuristically_Alone
Florestan

[Dwlee99]

That isn't VCA. What the fuck are you doing?

[Dwlee99]

I'm still at L-1, do you guys want me to claim or will someone unvote before there is a derp hammer?

What do you think you should do?

What I'm doing right now?

[Dwlee99]

oh you mean claim or not. I mean I could claim but that probably wouldn't be the best outcome. We could just have people unvote me lol

[Dwlee99]

Okay I think scum team is in:
HA
Florestan
Aristo
AlpacaAlpaca

Aristo is probably the weakest-ish one on there. I feel like he hasn't left me any impression when reading through but still somehow has 86 posts in the thread.

[Dwlee99]

Warning to nosferatu: Yes this is VCA on Day 2, deal with it.
Fate (7): Dwlee99, camntsuki, WhiteLight, Nahdia, Aristophanes, Thor665, Florestan
Thor665 (2): Nosferatu, Fate
WhiteLight (1): Staeg
camntsuki (1): AlpacaAlpaca

Not Voting (2): heuristically_alone, Cerberus v666
One of ari/flore who are on the wagon scum.
And then Alpaca or HA are off the wagon scum.
Now that I think about it nosferatu and staeg could be scum as well. Still mostly suspicious of the 4 people on the other list but I could see nos or staeg being scum.

[Dwlee99]

I've seen plotinus do it, thought I'd try it out. The whole point of the ISO map is to see someone's progression of reads, generally it would be used on dead scum / living players to see bad read progression and catch people out on it. I'm adapting it to be able to see what the reads of dead town are (especially since none of them posted a reads list )

[Dwlee99]

that is kindddd of vca.
pedit yes

[Dwlee99]

oh yea I forgot that there was a guilty. VCA doesn't work with guilties, I'll look through which votes were from which group, before or after the guilty after this urf game.

[Dwlee99]

ok thor. Can someone tell me when camn claimed the guilty? Like what post?

[Dwlee99]

ok thor. Can someone tell me when camn claimed the guilty? Like what post?

There was a lengthy discussion about this already, and multiple people linked and discussed the post in question.
I have little interest in that discussion much to begin with, and much less for starting it up a second time.
Your reading is making you a valid lynch just by dint of 'I can;t imagine him helping us win, even if he is town, because he doesn't care enough about the game to play it'.

are you for real. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SAY I DONT CARE ABOUT THE GAME WHEN I AM FINDING SCUM RN

[Dwlee99]

I'm not even trying to talk about camn's guilty, just how the wagon formed. ffs thor

[Dwlee99]

Kind of a prodge guys, sorry.
Dwlee everyone had (-) posts towards me yesterday cause people were pretty sure I scumslipped so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . In my experience shots are rarely 'omg he called me scum let's shoot him' as you mentioned. Nahdia was almost certainly the vig shot imo since if scum actually believed she was silizard (which I did as well at the time) they would never risk wasting a shot like that for no real reason. I was super surprised when she flipped

Also Ari there is 1 partner and apparently a guilty being thrown around on him? I have seen posts referencing the guilty but don't super remember the actual post so someone linking that would be really useful, so yeah sticking your neck out for your partner isn't super useful. That said Cerb is doing a lot on the counterwagon front so I wouldn't say everyone is just jumping on this.

what did they think you slipped for? I don't remember that.

[Dwlee99]

oh yea

[Dwlee99]

do you have anything to comment on anything else?

Aristophanes May 07, 04:41pm May 19, 11:34pm 2 days 10 hours 86
The Daily Days May 05, 02:24pm May 19, 02:26pm 2 days 20 hours 23
Nosferatu May 07, 07:04pm May 19, 01:12pm 2 days 21 hours 34

Forgot to post my V/la. It is sigged though.
What was the point of this post? I'm gonna reread your analysis posts, but I both think it's too early for it, and thus that it is busiwork, and that you are stating without analysing (IIOA I believe it's called.) That said, it's from a quick skim and thus possibly incorrect.

Also, that Dwlee isn't being defended by, like, anyone, makes me nervous.

The point of that post was to say who needed to be prodded. Everyone has posted since then so it's fine.

[Dwlee99]

There was nothing for me to defend. I defended against everything they had said and they just ignored me and continued to scream I was scum lol

[Dwlee99]

I'm at l-1 if you needed to know

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 (4): camntsuki, Aristophanes, Staeg, Florestan and then alpaca voted me.

[Dwlee99]

gotcha

[Dwlee99]

I am actually already voting ha. lol
pedit one sec, alpaca

[Dwlee99]

OK. I agree this game needs more than us and Cerb.
That said- 2 points on him:
a> is the language necessary? My virgin ears.
b> I don't think claiming ascetic up front is a scummy play. I think LINKING "I'm Ascetic" with "obv don't consider lynching me until just before LYLO" is the scummy part. We should lynch him when and where WE choose.. not where HE chooses.

That is down ftr, but I think we can table the discussion for now..

lets reset:

Nosferatu

- I WANT to sheep Staeg on this.. but looking over his ISO I don really feel much scumminess here. I don't like Hated claims, but if it's true its town right? Maybe Slizard? I think town though. So I am not feeling it for now.

Thor665

- I am townreading this slot. He is the townthor I remember from back in the day.

Cerberus v666

Discussion tabled.

Aristophanes

- Reasonably strong townread here.. although maybe its the buddying. Which I appreciate. Willing to sheep.

Florestan

- That slip up front was a compelling thing.. but things have turned up since. Probably town?

Staeg

I WANT this to be a townslot. I like the hunting. But I am POE-ing myself into a corner here with all these townreads. I could totally be getting fooled here.

POE leaves these 3 as the not-town, If I assume Cerebrustown:

AlpacaAlpaca

"aw, Shucks" in 555 is a classic tell. Otherwise mostly lurky. Again, I could totally go this way.

Dwlee99

- His ISO is SUPER THIN, and I could totally see scum here.

heuristically_alone

- Also a thin ISO.. but I get a tiny townvibe from it.

OK. Who is scum/3p? They are in here [AlpacaAlpaca, Dwlee99, Cerberus, heuristically], probably in that order, in my current opinion.

Do we have a townbloc yet? Lets run up Alpaca or Dwlee.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dwlee99

why out of those 3 are you picking on me

I expect more of you, that's why.
What's up, anyway? Why are you being so scummy?

Aristo- do we? I wish we did.
Alpaca- its one of Tar's Standard Tells. I'm old school like that.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

I dont even have any completed games with you camn. How can you say you expect more.

Alpaca is a brand new rookie, joined this month.
you have scummy noms and per reports are generally active.
So don't be dense- this is not a meta argument, it's here and here alone. I expect more.

Again- why are you being so scummy?

I have a scummy nom for SCUM play, camn. Maybe youre the one being dense? I havent even been scummy, I am just not doing well this game.

VOTE: Dwlee its either this or playing well is a scum tell

You cant BoP me is my point lol

I agree with the above statement though, townDwlee not finding scum would not suprise me and make me want to lynch him. Being a ball of uselessness does though.

don't think I'm being useless but -shrug-

I had forgotten you were in this game level of uselessness. I reread your iso and its devoid of anything that any thought was put into.

one-liners is my posting style. Do you have anything to say that isn't just my playstyle?

uh reread my iso Cerb is one of my top scumreads but since he already has wayyy to much stuff involving him I'm trying to deal with other people right now.

Also Dwlee oneliners are fine when they actually relate to the game. Yours don't.

my posts do have game related content lol

why is this game so slow?

WE DEMAND BLOOD!
Everyone VOTE DWLEE NOW!

He has had days to counter my push on him, and has failed.
He is trying to wait for the wagon to fizzle....
The only answer is certain death.

VOTE DWLEE OR FEEL MY WRATH!

I responded to everything. Then, finally when camn demands everyone vote me without responding to me there is no defense of that. Imagine someone yelling "YOU'RE SCUM EVERYONE LYNCH THEM NOW" what is a defense of that? There is none.
pedit my role isnt scummy I just don't want to claim.

[Dwlee99]

If some more people want me to claim I will.

[Dwlee99]

My role isnt super super strong but if scum know I exist it's just lol

[Dwlee99]

ok thor. Can someone tell me when camn claimed the guilty? Like what post?

There was a lengthy discussion about this already, and multiple people linked and discussed the post in question.
I have little interest in that discussion much to begin with, and much less for starting it up a second time.
Your reading is making you a valid lynch just by dint of 'I can;t imagine him helping us win, even if he is town, because he doesn't care enough about the game to play it'.

are you for real. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE SAY I DONT CARE ABOUT THE GAME WHEN I AM FINDING SCUM RN

When you don't care enough to read the game at all while being actively in it, I consider that an insult to me and a suggestion that you don't care.
You are repeatedly admitting/showing that you're not reading anything.
I consider that the same as not caring.
If you cared - you'd read.
Missing me talking the NKA and the *pages* about Camn's claim (And to a lesser extent, not being willing to quest through her iso for info you want, when you had to be able to know roughly what stage of yesterday it happened in) just reeks of 'don't care'.

I wasn't actively in it until around page 30. The stuff about NKA was at the beginning of day 2 (page 23) and the pages about camn's claim were around pages 23 - 25 or 26ish. Not questing through camn's iso is a bit lazy but like ??

[Dwlee99]

I'm your huckleberry, DevilDog.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: heuristically_alone

I don't get this reference.

[Dwlee99]

oh that makes sense lol

[Dwlee99]

I know nothing about val kilmer. But I'm townreading you so ok ??

[Dwlee99]

Official Vote Count

Dwlee99

(4): camntsuki, Aristophanes, Staeg, Florestan

Cerberus v666

(1): Thor665

heuristically_alone

(1): Dwlee99

camntsuki

(1): Cerberus v666

Not Voting

(3): Nosferatu, heuristically_alone, AlpacaAlpaca

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Day 2 ends in (expired on 2016-05-29 10:01:09)

uhhh this votecount is RIDICULOUSLY incorrect. lol

[Dwlee99]

"If scum know I exist it's just lol" means Im useless, not that it doesnt matter. I guess that wasnt very clear but nice rolefish m9

[Dwlee99]

As scum I begin pondering.for a fakeclaim as soon as possible. I think the only game I havent was gta mafia just because I was an sk with limited capabilities for fake claiming and it was role.madness so I needed to be able to adapt. Off the top of my head I had a flavor cop fake claim in my head since I got my role pm in justified. In cyberpunk I thought of my fake claim n1 and was able to win because of.it. I assure you if I was scum here I would have a fakeclaim ready and probably have claimed it the moment I got to l-1 (self meta but meh)

[Dwlee99]

My ability is useless if scum know it.

[Dwlee99]

S C U M H A S B E E N F O U N D

o shit waddup

[Dwlee99]

My ability is useless if scum know it.

[Dwlee99]

alpaca is dumb telling not scum telling (no offense)
VOTE: Florestan
that jumping onto alpaca for "scum claiming" is awful. Almost all of the times I see people pushing scum slips it is from scum themselves.

[Dwlee99]

Alpaca's recent posting feels really genuine. Recent join date makes me think they probably can't fake that.

[Dwlee99]

thor are you considering voting flore or naw?

[Dwlee99]

naw means nah or no. And you should vote flore.

[Dwlee99]

everytime I see people push scum slips they're scum or nosferatu lol

[Dwlee99]

the one pushing it

[Dwlee99]

yes, you are a scum read. I've been scum reading you. You have towards the most posts in the game and yet seem to be doing nothign.

[Dwlee99]

yes, you are a scum read. I've been scum reading you. You have towards the most posts in the game and yet seem to be doing nothign.

I have done far more than the proposed "nothing" you seem to believe I have done. Ridiculous.

I don't recall you doing anything.

[Dwlee99]

what have you done today?

[Dwlee99]

what have you done today?

I got shot at

huh?

And I'm gonna read your iso.

[Dwlee99]

what have you done today?

I got shot at

huh?

And I'm gonna read your iso.

HA tried to eat me.
Which means he thought I was Maiza.
Who is conftown.

I don't think you should be trying to stand on the shoulders of H_A's reads in this game while talking in a serious voice.

this is true. Haven't gotten to the iso yet, btw, been peer editing some stuff.

[Dwlee99]

Staeg flore, calling it now.

[Dwlee99]

Staeg flore, calling it now.

actually might retract this. idk

[Dwlee99]

Thor
Alpaca
Camn


Nosferatu and cerb are soft town reads with nos being slightly.more townie imo

Staeg
Florestan



Ari
Staeg
Florestan

[Dwlee99]

or florestan. We could lynch florestan

[Dwlee99]

Or Alpaca.

I'm

kinda

town reading Alpaca

[Dwlee99]

camn is worrying to me just because they are a strong player and hard to read.
That's L-1, I believe, btw.

[Dwlee99]

o yea

[Dwlee99]

camn is worrying to me just because they are a strong player and hard to read.
That's L-1, I believe, btw.

What is your read on us exactly?

I want to townread you but you did some questionable stuff (your tunneling of me felt kind of fake tbh)

[Dwlee99]

Oh I missed camn's question: Same as thor, my townread on alpaca is a type of gut. The tone of his posts are very good and has a feeling of genuiness about them I dont believe could be faked by a newer player.

[Dwlee99]

haha I skimmed flore's "case" and saw something about alpaca slipping. Wouldnt mind a hammer tbg

[Dwlee99]

haha I skimmed flore's "case" and saw something about alpaca slipping. Wouldnt mind a hammer tbg

The case wasn't that big. And nothing else is happening. Why skim?

lol

[Dwlee99]

I am lynching in staeg flore ari today, nosferatu needs to be an mlg and get some stuff going so he is useful before we are forced to vig.him.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Staeg

[Dwlee99]

alpaca is town, ari. Not that it matters cause you have a high chance of being scum so you probably dont care.

[Dwlee99]

ari stop

[Dwlee99]

Thor, is it alignment indicative though? Just because something isnt logical doesnt make it scum.

[Dwlee99]

Because trying to argue with flore is almost entirely pointless if you dont think it is alignment indicative.

[Dwlee99]

ok lol

[Dwlee99]

Are you always this dismissive, Dwlee?

am i supposed to actually answer this

[Dwlee99]

didnt think so

[Dwlee99]

p sure ari needs to.die this.game but uhh lol

[Dwlee99]

Ari feels sorta town but I want them dead cause I think they could fake this as scum.
Like ok scum team is probably one or more of flore/staeg and then 0 or 1 of nosferatu / aristo. That is what I think atm.

[Dwlee99]

Could see.cerb being mafia but they were a shared town read of whitelight and nahdia

[Dwlee99]

then vote him

[Dwlee99]

Possibly. Just lynch staeg.

[Dwlee99]

Staeg is much more likely scum tbh

[Dwlee99]

Cause flore seems townish in recent posts.

[Dwlee99]

>tfw someone is mad they agree with me

[Dwlee99]

Ffs aristo this is why I cant call you town.

[Dwlee99]

I have always been good enough to sheep, I just needed people to realize it. But yea we should lets get the wagon goin

[Dwlee99]

let's go

[Dwlee99]

why do I want to call you a st(a)egosaurus.
lol

[Dwlee99]

staegosaurus 'bout to get riggityriggity rekt as he gets voted off the island.

[Dwlee99]

I thought fate asking why they wanted to lynch a third party over scum was a scumclaim.

[Dwlee99]

cc me, cc me, cc me I dare you

[Dwlee99]

hmm I wonder if it is nosferatu / cerb after all. I kinda want to just trust my instinct and be like "staeg could be town right here"
but at the same time logic is a thing
but logic would have made me lynch sircakez in college mafia hmm

[Dwlee99]

I guess I'd be fine seeing what staeg's claim is before going any further.

[Dwlee99]

eh don't hammer

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I'm considering staeg confirmed town atm.

[Dwlee99]

lol

[Dwlee99]

Staeg when were you planning on using your shot?

this is a good question

[Dwlee99]

Hmm I was gonna have staeg check me but scum role cop is possible. I believe the claim, however, for reasons I will probably not share.

[Dwlee99]

I propose we just let him live at least today, gives us the result if he is town or scum need to night kill him I think. Vigilante should NOT shoot him.

[Dwlee99]

Thor I know you like asking a lot of questions and I know you're a good player but it feels like all you've been doing is telling people optimal play and then asking questions whose answers lead to more questions

[Dwlee99]

What? That was a statement about your play. No question marks were in that post.

[Dwlee99]

You ended this with a question mark, but I'm not sure what the question is.
Yes, I am doing what you say I'm doing - is that your answer?

What? That was a statement about your play. No question marks were in that post.

@thor

[Dwlee99]

I think Staeg should check thor

hah
hahah
HAH

[Dwlee99]

what do you think of the 1shot, flore?

[Dwlee99]

What? That was a statement about your play. No question marks were in that post.

My bad, I thought you did...what was the point of that post if it wasn't a question? Just a generic observation of how I'm playing?

I'm telling you to play better in a very kind way

[Dwlee99]

slightly scummy because of the whole JOAT thing, but my issue is more the balance aspect rather than the 1 shot unless we are dealing with a scum vig.

don't theme games go under normal guidelines for the most part? Scum vig is non-normal I'm p sure.

[Dwlee99]

What? That was a statement about your play. No question marks were in that post.

My bad, I thought you did...what was the point of that post if it wasn't a question? Just a generic observation of how I'm playing?

I'm telling you to play better in a very kind way

Copy you, I'll start responding with lol more.

lol

[Dwlee99]

ari why do you love so aggressively.

[Dwlee99]

<3

idk how I feel about cerb's plea for more time.

[Dwlee99]

okay so I'm tryingt o have this make sense
as town I find that I have a predictable pattern of involvement in the game. It kinda goes up and down and most of the time it seems to be towards one of the peaks. Either involved or apathetic, never really in the middle, ya feel. And there is never like the get involved and immediately get apathetic thing. Once I get involved it quickly peaks and stays high. Their burst of slight involvement and then immediate apathy is different and feels scummy because as town I believe the involvement would have stayed.
For example my iso maps I did and then my burst of involvement after that, whereas cerb feels different.
pedit VOTE: cerb