Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Foxbird]

Confirm!

[Foxbird]

VOTE: Shadow_Step

That sounds a Reaper ability and as we all know Reaper is evil™ and edgy™

[Foxbird]

So Random is either Jester, or trying to fake it I guess.
Would be surprised to see him fake it going by how I've seen him play in general.

Fluff wise, would this be a thing?

Overwatch has some questionable characters - Junkrat comes to mind. D.Va has a self-destruct, that could fit flavor-wise. Zarya has a shield that charges up upon being hit by attacks. I guess any tank could be justified as having the job of taking damage/votes in this case?

Those are the first ones that come to mind.

[Foxbird]

I kinda want Genji's role to be Hanzo just so we have a chance to read "Genji has died. He was Hanzo."

[Foxbird]

Moving on to more important matters, don't take me to l-1, you'd be lynching me.
Yes, I am hated.

That kills RVS I guess lol

First negative utility noted, is this reflected in VC at all?

As far as I know, even votes that aren't counted show up in the VC. I believe the hated claim.
I don't see why you'd fakeclaim it anyway, it's easily disproven. I don't see much to gain from... I dunno, not being taken to L-1 for a little longer? Unless I'm overlooking something.

And now I go sleep.

[Foxbird]

Oh by the way, no matter what happens in this game today, I am today's lynch.
We can form reads all we want, but we are lynching me today.
Remember that, folks.

Uhhh, what. Why don't you wanna claim? Surely if you're town you have some sort of super negative utility that you want us to be rid of, so why not tell us?
I doubt this is a mafia thing, but it might be a third party thing. I doubt we have two Jesters, so I'm inclined to believe randomidget was actually just joking in RVS.

Hello all, I am going to be fairly active in this game.
Considering all thats going on here is RVS I will just throw out some random questions for you guys:

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?
2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?
3) Do you believe theres a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

1) With this weird claim from Tracer OR randomidget not joking, I guess it's 10-2-1 with strong mafia roles or 9-3-1 with strong town utility. Not really seeing the 10-3 anymore after recent events. If Tracer flips town I can believe 10-3.
2) No.
3) Yes, always, unless it's a rare case of not claiming damaging scum in some way.

[Foxbird]

Do you think that you being lynched is important for the town to win?

[Foxbird]

That's unfortunate. :/

But yeah I think we can just conclude that the roles were distributed by Omnipotent Robots of Randomness™ so we should just move that discussion underground.

There's a lot of lynchbait in this game and like half of it is actually yelling to be lynched. I don't know what to think. Ugh.

[Foxbird]

I have town reads on Genji and Shadow atm, and townleans on Peter and engineer.

I see the Genji/Shadow. I can maaaybe see Engineer, but why Peter?

[Foxbird]

Quick readslist before bed because I haven't been very active:

{DGB, Genji, podoboq}
{Vedith}
{randomidget, Shadow}
{inte, Peter}
{DoctorPepper, Engineer}

{Tracer??}

Wake hasn't posted much yet and the springlullaby slot just confused the fuck out of me, so I'm leaving that one out for now.

I'd like to hear some input on whether Tracer (the player, not the role) should actually be our lynch today.

And my vote is still RVS? This game's weird.
VOTE: Tracer
Curious about something.

Can answer questions after sleep.

pedit @Wake: I'm leaning town on podo and DGB atm so I don't have a huge problem with it.

pedit 2:

Not really seeing the 10-3 anymore after recent events.

Could you please clarify this?

Randomidget was yelling about getting votes from the get-go and Tracer is also adamant on being lynched. They

could

be coincidences, but I think a third party of some sort could be involved.

[Foxbird]

@Wake: I'm leaning town on podo and DGB atm so I don't have a huge problem with it.

Thoughts on the other two votes?

Inte is a naked vote sheeping a (at that point) naked vote, which looks crap. Leaning scum on him. Shadow gave some reasoning, but it's fairly weak. He seems to have come to the same conclusion as DGB on his own, though, so it doesn't look as bad.

Not really seeing the 10-3 anymore after recent events.

Could you please clarify this?

Randomidget was yelling about getting votes from the get-go and Tracer is also adamant on being lynched. They

could

be coincidences, but I think a third party of some sort could be involved.

How exactly does that shift the idea of 10-3 to something else?

Because a third party makes it 9-3-1 or 10-2-1.

Lastly Foxbird are you voting Tracer because she's asking or for some other reason?

Slightly different reason. Will elaborate later.

@Foxbird I kind of would like you to go into more of your reasoning Engineer the way you do, I am kind of leaning town that on myself.

ISO is 90% RVS stuff and complaints about the RQS that wasn't really an RQS. Would like to hear a town case from someone who's townreading him, because I'm not seeing it at all.

[Foxbird]

So are we ready to end the day yet?

Do you still wanna get lynched?
If yes, any more to share about your mysterious reason?

[Foxbird]

I think wee should just hope that a vig kills Tracer or kill them in a bit. Not worth the risk now.

But if she's not lying, we're handing scum an additional member.

[Foxbird]

She's not a Jester... we don't have that anymore.

You sure? Even in a game that's explicitly bastard?

But yeah I agree that we gotta lynch Tracer, anything else would be too big a risk. :/

[Foxbird]

Wake's confusion about the lynch confuses me, too, but why are people reading it as scummy? I feel like I missed something important.

I'm also not sure if I 100% trust Tracer. Yeah, the deathproof thing happened, but she's done nothing except advocate for her own death all D1 and no scumhunting or detailed reads at all. Plus, I'm paranoid that she's just crumbing being a traitor to scum and the recruit has nothing to do with that ability. Either way, we cannot allow her to live to LyLo.

I agree that flavor reveal is bad. There've been hints that some characters share mechanical connections, so there might be Enablers etc. that we probably wanna keep secret. If someone has a flavor/ability that has positive outcome if outed, do so, but it's too early for everything else.

Actually If there are 3 scum i wouldnt know who the third one is

Can we even be sure flavor indicates alignment? D.Va scum/traitor would make no sense lore-wise, yet it seems to be a thing.

Turret vote doesn't

have

to come from town. It's conveniently placed on D1's second largest wagon, so if we disregard flavor, it can come from either side.

[Foxbird]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doctor Pepper
If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon

Can you go into the reasoning beyond this thought?

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

However, if Pepper is town, then we got some scum there boys!

Hated scum seems excessive in a game with such a swingy traitor, though?

Can we get a votecount?

[Foxbird]

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

But then explain why they would vote for their scum buddy instead?

Who was? I may not be correctly understanding the train of thought here.

[Foxbird]

I don't know why I didn't ask this before.

@Mod Say I am voting a person when I have a trait that makes it so my vote will not count towards their lynch, will my vote still show up on your VC as counting, even though it doesn't count?

I think it is safe to say now: I share your ability (but I won't reveal who I am for other flavor reasons).

I asked the mod via PM on D1 and our votes still show up on the VC despite not counting.

[Foxbird]

Sorry guys, I have dental surgery tomorrow, so I've been a bit all over the place.
Will post tomorrow evening hopefully, if I don't get accidentally murdered :')

[Foxbird]

Pepper is my top scum read and JM very happy with that a lot being lynched.

Why hasn't Pepper been lynched yet?

This game needs a new life

VOTE: Peter

What happened here? Why advocate for Pepper and then vote Peter?

[Foxbird]

Serra

,

Genji

,

Tracer

,

Foxbird

: Would you be open to a Vedith lynch and, if not, could you expand on why?

VOTE: Vedith

Let me do a quick ISO dive to refresh my memory.

[Foxbird]

Done with my quick ISO dive.

VOTE: Vedith

I'm up for this.

[Foxbird]

Foxbird and Serra were kinda quick to change their votes...

..I wasn't even voting anyone before?

[Foxbird]

Vedith's recent ISO is prodging for a bit and then making random unprovoked condescending comments and then bragging on how we can vote him and lining up two other lynches after his own flip.

Since my vote wasn't anywhere anyway that seemed scummy enough to throw it on there.

[Foxbird]

Serra

,

Genji

,

Tracer

,

Foxbird

: Would you be open to a Vedith lynch and, if not, could you expand on why?

VOTE: Vedith

Let me do a quick ISO dive to refresh my memory.

Done with my quick ISO dive.

VOTE: Vedith

I'm up for this.

This was like six minutes, what exactly did you see in that time?

Vedith's recent ISO is prodging for a bit and then making random unprovoked condescending comments and then bragging on how we can vote him and lining up two other lynches after his own flip.

Since my vote wasn't anywhere anyway that seemed scummy enough to throw it on there.

This should explain it.

Pepper is my top scum read and JM very happy with that a lot being lynched.

Why hasn't Pepper been lynched yet?

This game needs a new life

VOTE: Peter

What happened here? Why advocate for Pepper and then vote Peter?

And you haven't answered this yet.

[Foxbird]

And you haven't answered this yet.

because I wanted to stir some shit up and get some reactions, problemo?

What's so controversial about a vote on Peter that it would "stir shit up"?

[Foxbird]

Turret is someone's ability. We're not sure which side - could be both scum or town, DP was the biggest wagon D1 (we lynched someone else because of mechanical reasons). See it as some kinda doublevoter or something that can't be changed, I guess?

[Foxbird]

We spent SO much time discussing Tracer instead of scumhunting. Some (including me) have said we can't let her live to LyLo, but I think we just needed to move away from her for a while to allow for some different conversations. I'd rather find the actual scum team.

pedit: Also ninja'd because actual Overwatch :c

[Foxbird]

So why did the Vedith wagon not gain any traction? If someone's got a townread on him, I'd like to hear it.

[Foxbird]

plus because

DP scumz

I don't see it in your ISO, so:
Do you believe his claim?

[Foxbird]

plus because

DP scumz

I don't see it in your ISO, so:
Do you believe his claim?

Ettoooo...

Wut?

I meant to ask what you think about DP's Zarya claim. I couldn't find that in your ISO, and considering how much you want the DP lynch, I wanted your thoughts about the claim.

[Foxbird]

Sure.

VOTE: Shadow

Hows that.

I'd also want an Engineer lynch

I actually agree with this. Not sure if that's good or bad..
Also I wasn't actually aware that the deadline was this close (to be honest, I forgot there was a deadline at all, with it not being in the VCs), so I will get the heck off this vanity wagon.

VOTE: Shadow

L-2.

I still want Vedith tomorrow though. Or Engineer.

[Foxbird]

VOTE: podoboq

I'm torbjorn, the turret is me.

Why do you call my vote awful for being out of the blue
And then vote podo who you haven't mentioned all day

[Foxbird]

Oh my god I actually canNOT read.
Disregard my last post.

[Foxbird]

Can someone briefly summarize the random case for me? I'm willing to comprimise to prevent a nolynch, but I don't recall the reasons for the wagon.

[Foxbird]

Hm.

Well, the deadline will run out while I'll be asleep, so...

Intent to hammer.

Within the next couple hours. Probably like one or two.

[Foxbird]

I come back from playing WoW and actual Overwatch and this mess happened.

I'm not risking a nolynch and at this point this town infighting will result in that. Scum is just gonna try and drown us in drama to lead to confusion.

VOTE: random

[Foxbird]

Podoboq,

Widowmaker

, has been killed!

day continues.

Flavor massclaim please.

I'm Genji.

And Vedith is probably town so I need to reevaluate my reads.
Whoever the dayvig is, don't out yourself.

[Foxbird]

I'm Genji.

Then you're not town.

I'm Hanzo.

What does that have to do anything?
The way it's phrased for me implies we're both town.

[Foxbird]

So, I'm a modified Vig, and waiting for someone to take notice like a normal Townie would.

I don't really get the point of it though. Why skip the lynch to vig someone? If you're town, you'd shoot the agreed on target anyway, and a lynch can't be influenced as much as a vig kill can.

What does that have to do anything?
The way it's phrased for me implies we're both town.

We are all claiming who we are, right?
You are not town.

I am town, and you are conftown to me if you're actually Hanzo.

[Foxbird]

I am town, and you are conftown to me if you're actually Hanzo.

I know I am confirmed town to you.
It says in our roles received... You are not town, but 3rd party instead.

What? That is 100% not true.

[Foxbird]

If my role didn't imply you being town I'd think you'd be a lyncher at this point.
But before we "no u" until the sun comes up: What do you think of Wake's claim?

[Foxbird]

Oh. OHH.

As I am Genji, I have a Deflect ability. It basically redirects anything targeted at me at another player of my choosing.
I thought I'd get nightkilled last night to frame Vedith or Shadow, so I deflected towards Serra. (long story short: I thought one of Vedith/serra was scum, Vedith was softing some kinda investigative and likely would have gotten lynched the next day if he was lying anyway because of podo.)
That explains why Vedith saw a third party.
That also means serra is that third party.

VOTE: serrapaladin

[Foxbird]

I claimed deflect, not redirect, but I guess that's kind of the same thing? It's a 1-shot, anyway.

Anyway just do me a favour and lynch serra after me.

[Foxbird]

Anyway just do me a favour and lynch serra after me.

But he killed scum?

He hasn't explained why he shot podo and I don't see him scumreading him anywhere in his ISO. I'd like an explanation for the shot before I believe that he's pro-town.

[Foxbird]

Shouldn't we have been given information on what Widowmaker entails?

All flips have been without abilities so far.

[Foxbird]

Hi Rach!

Seems like I'm at L-1. I already claimed, so I guess I'll throw out my reads:
Almost certain Vedith is town, so work with that. Leaning town on genji still.
I still don't trust Serra and Engineer.

That's about it.