Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Genji]

I honestly think anyone in the list is capable of just getting DGB killed D1

Why?

Wake please

just look at the playerlist and imagine that all the alts, like me, have alot of experience in MS.

If anything foxbird is the only new player

I am not liking this explanation of the DGB kill, but I still can't wrap my head around it completely with considering the scenarios, it could be from someone who knew them, but I don't consider that player impressive in anyway, beyond being fairly active and giving their own thoughts. Perhaps thought was unlikely mislynch? The speculation so far on that kill hasn't given me any solid suspects.

I don't know who would have been a great kill on the previous night though, so maybe it was just not any good targets?

[Randomnamechange]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doctor Pepper
If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon

Can you go into the reasoning beyond this thought?

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

[Vedith]

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

However, if Pepper is town, then we got some scum there boys!

[Foxbird]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doctor Pepper
If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon

Can you go into the reasoning beyond this thought?

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

However, if Pepper is town, then we got some scum there boys!

Hated scum seems excessive in a game with such a swingy traitor, though?

Can we get a votecount?

[Vedith]

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

But then explain why they would vote for their scum buddy instead?

[vonflare]

VOTE COUNT

DoctorPepper

(4) - Turret, the engineer, randommidget, shadow_step

wake88

(2) - doctorpepper, vedith

Tracer

(1) - wake88

Not voting: everyone else

with 12 players it takes 7 to lynch.

[Foxbird]

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

But then explain why they would vote for their scum buddy instead?

Who was? I may not be correctly understanding the train of thought here.

[Genji]

I have to agree with foxbird on this one, I am not quite understanding why doctor being a counterwagon to a mechanical lynch proves in anyway anything since not being on it or being on it didn't matter since it was being pushed not for reads based reasons.

[Genji]

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

But then explain why they would vote for their scum buddy instead?

Who was? I may not be correctly understanding the train of thought here.

The assumption that Doctor is scum regardless and that scum was also busisng perhaps?
Not following this reasoning either.

[Tracer]

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

And you blame Wake for not reading the game.

[Genji]

Town

• Wake88
  
• podoboq
  
• Vedith
  
• Tracer
  
• Peter Elrich Pines
  
• The Engineer
  
• Shadow_Step
  
• Foxbird

Leftovers

• genji
  
• inte
  
• DoctorPepper
  
• randomidget

I am kind of curious on why random is on left over and why the rest are being townread. I can understand t some degree on inte and doctorpepper being not read that well. I am also unsure of why Shadow_Step is a townread.

Lately I also have doubts on my earlier read of podoboq.

[Genji]

I am also unsure of why Shadow_Step is a townread.

I went over ISO more found the answer to this question, so disregard it.

Anyways, it is notable that Shadow_Step pressence has been lacking in this game, but I believe he is active elsewhere. That means a few things of either 1) He doesn't feel any pressure so no need to comment on the game. or 2) He is not invested in this game.
Both possibilities, but I believe if we applied some pressure, of course being aware that L-1 might be hammered.

VOTE: Shadow_Step

[Genji]

I have some more thoughts as of lately on the whole "Shadow_Step is hated".
This could be that he is hated, but also has the same utility ability that I share where my vote doesn't count towards his lynch.

In this scenario that means the hated effect is effectively nullified. Meaning hated = Town is not longer likely possibility in a setup design approach.
The moderator could make a scum hated but also make it so one townie can't vote for that player, thus allowing it to be just easy neg utility to gain some credit.

Nobody else claimed to have a similar passive trait that I did. I don't think its fluff either.

[Genji]

I don't know why I didn't ask this before.

@Mod Say I am voting a person when I have a trait that makes it so my vote will not count towards their lynch, will my vote still show up on your VC as counting, even though it doesn't count?

[Randomnamechange]

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

And you blame Wake for not reading the game.

Your lynch wasn't guaranteed until your full claim

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: Tracer

[Shadow_step]

I am also unsure of why Shadow_Step is a townread.

I went over ISO more found the answer to this question, so disregard it.

Anyways, it is notable that Shadow_Step pressence has been lacking in this game, but I believe he is active elsewhere. That means a few things of either 1) He doesn't feel any pressure so no need to comment on the game. or 2) He is not invested in this game.
Both possibilities, but I believe if we applied some pressure, of course being aware that L-1 might be hammered.

VOTE: Shadow_Step

I'm sure I haven't posted in any other game today(according to my time zone), so what the hell are you talking about?

[Shadow_step]

I don't know why I didn't ask this before.

@Mod Say I am voting a person when I have a trait that makes it so my vote will not count towards their lynch, will my vote still show up on your VC as counting, even though it doesn't count?

You'll see it in the next VC itself, but I don't have such an ability.

[Foxbird]

I don't know why I didn't ask this before.

@Mod Say I am voting a person when I have a trait that makes it so my vote will not count towards their lynch, will my vote still show up on your VC as counting, even though it doesn't count?

I think it is safe to say now: I share your ability (but I won't reveal who I am for other flavor reasons).

I asked the mod via PM on D1 and our votes still show up on the VC despite not counting.

[The Engineer]

^ Wut?

[Wake1]

Who are we willing to lynch today?

[serrapaladin]

Sup guys. I'm replacing inte.

I'll have a read.

[DoctorPepper]

I honestly think anyone in the list is capable of just getting DGB killed D1

Why?

Wake please

just look at the playerlist and imagine that all the alts, like me, have alot of experience in MS.

If anything foxbird is the only new player

I am not liking this explanation of the DGB kill, but I still can't wrap my head around it completely with considering the scenarios, it could be from someone who knew them, but I don't consider that player impressive in anyway, beyond being fairly active and giving their own thoughts. Perhaps thought was unlikely mislynch? The speculation so far on that kill hasn't given me any solid suspects.

I don't know who would have been a great kill on the previous night though, so maybe it was just not any good targets?

DGB doesn't play as much, i think she normally plays Large games. But she is very famous in the community. Her join date is also listed as 2005. So newer players might think that is indicative. Furthermore, her slot gave literally no info as she wasnt able to post as much. Which is why NKA on DGB doesnt work because there isnt any info gained from the NK and thats exactly what scum wanted.

[DoctorPepper]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

You really should have let Tracer self hammer.

This. And Wake, you keep pushing this idea that youre town and we have no way of confirming that idea. Just stop. This is why you are scum read

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

You really should have let Tracer self hammer.

This. And Wake, you keep pushing this idea that youre town and we have no way of confirming that idea. Just stop. This is why you are scum read

From my perspective I know I'm Town and that my hammering of Tracer doesn't mean I'm Scum, nor is that action in itself indicative of alignment just because she wanted to hammer herself. Things don't happen just because you say out loud they're going to happen that way. If you think hammering her is somehow AI I urge you to bring to the table some sort of rationale behind it. Otherwise, while you're here, you should really,

really

go into detail why you're Scumreading me. I've read my Role PM, and because I have I know I'm Town, so I'm not going to play you're little game where you pretend to Scumread me because I dare affirm what I already know. I will run you through over this if you want to go down that way.