Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Vedith]

Confirm

[Vedith]

VOTE: Tracer
Tell us what you know!

[Vedith]

you'd be lynching me.
Yes, I am hated.

Do you mean character wise?
I actually have little knowledge of the game, so if so this won't mean a lot to me.

[Vedith]

So Random is either Jester, or trying to fake it I guess.
Would be surprised to see him fake it going by how I've seen him play in general.

Fluff wise, would this be a thing?

[Vedith]

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?

- Numbers won't be balancing the game, roles will.

2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?

- I could do a list!

3) Do you believe theres a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

- Personally, yes. However, I do not see it as alignment indication if people don't.

[Vedith]

So if flavor indicates anything, then Vedith will have trouble faking it.

As a town perspective, yup I won't have knowledge. However, I can easily look up other players and I wouldn't need to fake anything.
As scum, this is completely false. Again, I can look things up, I would have team mates to advise and there is also the possibility of fake characters/roles. Anything outside of that I could play ignorant to.

[Vedith]

Seriously, only three players have more posts than the mod and one of them was basically trolling.

I'll be getting back into this one later.
The game just left me so confused with people wanting to be lynched.

[Vedith]

But if she's not lying, we're handing scum an additional member.

Then we don't let her get to LyLo.
Personally, I think it would be boarder line playing against their wincon considering she received the Mafia wincon too (I'm not sure why she would have received that before changing to traitor).
And the "I could be Judas" comment means that she probably is Judas trying to get town credit for giving the idea.

There would have been no reason to not give this information earlier in the game.

[Vedith]

We need to lynch Tracer

No discussion

Just lynch

So what's your plan going forward if she doesn't die?

[Vedith]

the mafia win condition is there in case I turn into a traitor. I don't have two win conditions enabled.

My point here is why did you receive it now, rather than when you change?
Whenever I have a role that can be alignment swapped in games, I've still only received my align role until it actually happens.

I did say that I won't die. I just lock in my alignment as town.

You saying you won't die means nothing to me until a lynch occurs.

[Vedith]

I don't even know what you are trying to argue here.
Ok, I have both win conditions in my role PM and you say in your past games you only received one alignment. Are you suggesting that I'm both town and mafia then? Or are you suggesting that I'm lying about having a mafia win condition in my role PM?

So me saying that I won't die from a lynch means nothing until the lynch happens. What are you even implying here? That there's a possobility that I LIED and I will be lynched? Uh, ok?

I'm implying you are lying and are a Judas. Only receiving your town role until the lynch.
If you're jester then of course you will lie.

[Vedith]

We must lynch her, because if we don't and she's honest they will NK and convert her Night 1.

My vote is on her. I want a plan going forward.

[Vedith]

Either way, she can't live to Lylo.

[Vedith]

Tracer and Wake are both town.
So let's move on.

[Vedith]

Tracer and Wake are both town.
So let's move on.

Can you explain this in more detail I can't tell wakes motivations right now.
I think tracers are clear.

No, I can't.
Both are town though.
So what about this vote on day start..

[Vedith]

Vedith, if you can't explain it I am at s loss of words I don't know how to take all this information and I can't just take your words for fact.

It's obvious that both are town. If you don't know why then I question your align.

[Vedith]

I'm calling tracer town.
Why would you vote tracer over me? In this scenario Tracer can only be scum if I am, right?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Tracer

You did

[Vedith]

I'm calling tracer town.
Why would you vote tracer over me? In this scenario Tracer can only be scum if I am, right?

You realize that tracer and wake alignment are dependent on each other, right?

Yup I realise

[Vedith]

@Tracer - Keep in mind it was not a high chance of you turning traitor and scum possibly would not know that you turned.
2 scum in a 13 player game with a possible traitor is too weak for scum, there will be 3 imo.

Considering that Wakes hammer would not have had impact on Tracer then I'm happy to go here for now.

VOTE: Wake

Concerning revealing flavour, I think is a bad idea so soon. As stated the scum will easily have fake claims, I'll be surprised if not, and there's possibly certain names that effect scum/town.

[Vedith]

What's your rationale Vedith?

Concerning which part?
Tracer being town? You possibly being scum? Revealing characters probably isn't wise?

[Vedith]

are we really voting wake?

Because I'm not

What do you like about Wake in this ssituation?
Is he town for you?

[Vedith]

Knowing that I'm Town, and if Tracer is in fact still Town, then she's Town and is not to be lynched.

So, if not you or Tracer, where else should we look?

[Vedith]

What's it matter if 1 or 2 people are new?
Unless you believe that the team only consists on them, then there is motive there to DGB.

[Vedith]

Why would scum use that ability on day 2 itself if they had turret ? Why not save it for lylo enabling them a fairly easy hammer?

Who said it's a one use?

[Vedith]

Why would scum use that ability on day 2 itself if they had turret ? Why not save it for lylo enabling them a fairly easy hammer?

Who said it's a one use?

Nobody did, it is a probability.
Still, why expose the ability if it was a scum ability.
Gives town more info.

For a start you wouldn't know its scum and probably go with an opinion like "Why would scum use that ability on day 2 ".

[Vedith]

If Pepper is scum, they wouldn't have wanted to lynch him. The Tracer lynch wasn't definitely going through until the end. Which meant that scum were probably pushing it to stop a DP lynch from about half way through the wagon.

However, if Pepper is town, then we got some scum there boys!

[Vedith]

I disagree, since the Tracer lynch was for mechanical reasons rather than scumminess. I got the feeling that it was clear relatively early that she'd be the lynch. I mean, she insisted on it.

But then explain why they would vote for their scum buddy instead?

[Vedith]

Catch up later

[Vedith]

Catch up later.

[Vedith]

Knowing who your main is could help me or someone else who knows you figure out whether you would prefer to just be fixed town at the disadvantage of losing your deathproof. If you're telling the truth, and don't actively dislike scum, I would think the percentage play is to get yourself recruited.

Barking up the wrong tree.

[Vedith]

Hey, Serra, let the adults work the game out, we'll let you know if we need you.

[Vedith]

I guess Vedith likes rope.

Yeah, that's what I like.

[Vedith]

Serra

,

Genji

,

Tracer

,

Foxbird

: Would you be open to a Vedith lynch and, if not, could you expand on why?

VOTE: Vedith

Probably because they aren't idiots.

[Vedith]

When I flip, I expect serrapaladin and Wake to then be focused and lynched.
Happy voting.

[Vedith]

What are you doing, vedith?

Watching you worry.

[Vedith]

Foxbird and Serra were kinda quick to change their votes...

Your case was a blinder?

[Vedith]

But honestly, it's really not that hard to figure out what I'm thinking if you think a bit harder and speculate the reason for that sudden read change.

This is why they are both scum, they already thought of it.

[Vedith]

VOTE: serrapaladin
As soon as I said lynch him when I flip he shits himself.
We got us scum here lads!

[Vedith]

I'm going to be honest with you and say that serrapaladin is not that kind of person.

You have meta with him?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Serrapaladin
VOTE: DrPepper

The fact that this is the towniest wagon going.

L1 and all that Jazz.

[Vedith]

Who cares.
Lynch Serra's buddy today then him tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Prod received.

[Vedith]

Lets just lynch DP. Then we can work with Serra tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Why is it that whenever you post I get this urge to just vote you?

Then do it.

[Vedith]

We've had this. I almost certainly will at some point, but not today.

Because you know that it won't work. You just hate the fact that I'm knocking on the door.
Question is, will you want to silence me for good tonight.

[Vedith]

Wish I could, tbh.

I'm sure you do. Scum don't normally like it when someone is shouting out that they are scum!

[Vedith]

In the mean time, given we're not lynching DP, wanna comment on random or shadow?

Give me both of your cases on them, I'll ISO and then lynch one if I feel fit.

[Vedith]

It's just stalled because scum won't let us lynch DrPepper.

[Vedith]

I don't mind a DP lynch

, as there hasn't been much besides the claim that has

me thinking town.

[Vedith]

What is bad about it?
What is the scum motivation behind doing such a thing ?

Serra is scum, it's okay we're lynching him tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Shadow, on thy grave, I raise the action known as intent.
Come forth and indulge us in your knowledge!

[Vedith]

Oh.
I'm at work so I don't read too good.

[Vedith]

VOTE: paladin

Who?

[Vedith]

@Shadow - Are you town?

[Vedith]

No
I'm conf town

That's good enough for me.
Who are we voting?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Fox

[Vedith]

I can't vote Random, I just won't do it!

[Vedith]

DP and all of his buddies screaming choo choo on my little friend Random here!

[Vedith]

How nice of you to drop by with fresh, insightful comments with much evidence to support your case. You totally arent repeating yourself and are totally bringing in new insighta you havent brought before.

Why would I need to change the record when it's spot on?

[Vedith]

Seriously, half the fucking playerbase has been "lynch DP" without even telling us why. Vedith, engineer, random, shadow, wake just say "LOL DP SCUMZ LYNCHPLOX" without even analyzing literally anything else.

Because you arent even giving anything new to this game.

Fake contribution 101.

This is scum getting angry because they are pinned.

[Vedith]

No, it's town describing what happens to lynch bait.

I agree with this.

And this is scum goons coming to his rescue.

[Vedith]

The reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are pretty trash.

The reasons for scum reading Random are pretty trash, I don't see you defend that though.

[Vedith]

If you guys arent scum, you are really fucking lazy.

No, we are just spot on with the scum read.

[Vedith]

If you guys arent scum, you are really fucking lazy.

No, we are just spot on with the scum read.

I guess that's why you're voting for Fox right now, then? Because you're so confident that DP is scum and random is town?

Exactly why. Fox is also scum!
Random is town 100%

[Vedith]

Anyone posting before reading this is scum claiming.

I didn't read it.
So get your vote on me as I just scum claimed, right?

[Vedith]

If youre really that fucking lazy, i ISO'd the relevant part for you. Read after ISO 90. Its literally 1 page. 1 page isnt going to hurt you.

I'm just lazy when it's scum posting.
When I see town make a post, I'll give it a read, how does that sound? ^^

[Vedith]

NAH HES OBV SCUM DONT LISTEN TO HIM

Finally, you get what I am saying!

[Vedith]

Its not about being lynchbait. Its about not being listened to and people insisting youre scum while discrediting you every step of the way.

Okay, you're right.
Why is Random scum? In your opinion, of course.

[Vedith]

He misrepped my case on Shadow as fake making up reasons to call someone scum and I covered that pretty extensively on why I think that was scummy.

Anything else?

But okay, keep faking contribution.

And you wonder why people ignore you?

[Vedith]

You missed off that Tracer is town.

[Vedith]

You have done no actual scumhunting all game, sheeped various reads and posted 3 prod dodges. You really dont think youre faking content?

I'm not faking content, neither have I said that I am giving content.
I know what I know already, I know that Random has no chance of flipping scum. I know that you have a good chance, and you are actually angry because you are getting called out for it.
I know that Serra will be resolved tomorrow.
I know that I won't be lynched.

You just sit there shouting that no one is listening to you, when I give you the chance, you don't want to discuss it.

My point is made here.

[Vedith]

Speaking of which, why is Tracer town again?

You will know in time, little guy!

[Vedith]

Tho your line about knowing with absolute certainty that random is flipping town. Why is that

Because I'm that damn good.

Now, lets continue, what else do you have on him for him being scum?
I mean, your reasoning seems a little weak so far, I'm sure you have more.

[Vedith]

What about me? What do you know about me?

No, I don't.

[Vedith]

Im going with faking a scum read on me and not actually doing any effort with hunting scum this game. Posts are fake and are there to look active.

Also the main reason is he's a more possible wagon than the Engineer, who gives even less content, is basically postong prod dodges and didnt even bother correcting the person who thought they owned the turret.

[Vedith]

Alright, Vedith. We'll do it your way.

UNVOTE: randomidget

VOTE: Foxbird

That's what I'm talking about!

[Vedith]

DP, if you want some town points go and vote Fox.

[Vedith]

Replace Out

I dont even know why I bother playing mafia. I clearly can't handle this. Goodluck town.

Awww come on, don't be like that, just vote Fox with us!

[Vedith]

Why are we derailing an actual wagon for Vedith's bullshit counter wagon?

Why are we going after any of the omnic claims when there's nothing real to suggest that any of them are scum?

Why are you continuing to give random a free pass?

!

I mean, I'm cooking him the meal, washing his cloths and giving him a room for the night.
That's we do with town and Vedith's friendly inn!

[Vedith]

@DP, if I call you town for the rest of the game, will you stay in and lynch Fox?

[Vedith]

Random is not town, and you do not have information to suggest otherwise. Quit implying that you do.
I know what you did last night, and it had nothing to do with random.

There. Information. I know your flavor name, and I know who you targeted with your night action last night. On the chance that you're town, I didn't want to say anything right now, but I'm done putting up with it.

So why was I scum lean for you then?!

[Vedith]

So why was I scum lean for you then?!

Infact, if you know who I am and who I visited, then unless your IQ is below 5, you know exactly what I was saying today and know that I'm town.

This is a scum claim going into tomorrow.

[Vedith]

You're a scum lean. I'm not 100% that you're scum, and I didn't want to blow up both of our roles unless I was 100%. I'm still not certain that you're scum, but you're flagrantly lying here about your implied knowledge on random, and I'm not letting you derail the wagon with that bullshit.

Not once did I say I visited Random.

Random will be flipping town, this I can tell you.
The fact you already know who I am and who I visited is a scum claim since I am scum lean to you.

[Vedith]

You did not visit random last night, and I don't see any way in which the person you visited gave you actionable information on random's slot.

Have you even read my ISO?
I assume not. If you did, it would be 100% clear.

[Vedith]

podoboq eating the rope tomorrow!

[Vedith]

I know your flavor, which is not necessarily alignment indicative, and I know who you visited, which is incredibly fucking suspicious.

I'm not saying any more about my role before the night.

We can air it out some more tomorrow.

Look forward to it buddy!
Try not killing me tonight.

[Vedith]

DP has AtEd his way out of the wagon and bc ive been a little busy the last few days apparently im lurkscum.

Nah, DP is real town.
podoboq however, I question completely now!

[Vedith]

Well, I have, and it's still not clear. But then, I don't know who you visited last night.

I didn't mean you!

[Vedith]

I consider absolute fucking silence in response to a person scumreading you during deadline lurkscum, yeah.

So he is scum because he didn't post...

[Vedith]

Actually, flagrantly misrepping someone is inherently scummy. If it wasn't a misrep, you would have come in at any point and argued that, but instead,

you ignored it.

and bc ive been a little busy the last few days apparently im lurkscum.

Is...that...a...mis...rep?!

[Vedith]

He's scum because when I presented a case against him, he peaced out for over two days while we hit deadline, and now that he's back, he's still not addressing my case at all.

Your case is weak.
I wouldn't address it either if I was him.

[Vedith]

pedit: Never mind.

[Vedith]

pedit: Never mind.

[Vedith]

Oops double post! That just means I'm watching you doubly!

[Vedith]

A moment of silence for our town brother, Random!
You shall never be forgotten!
The Overwatch remembers!

[Vedith]

Lynch pod fox and tracer. I really hope podo is scum bc his play has been so bad.

Going by what he said - He's not town.
So he's not playing bad, he's just scum.

[Vedith]

I already got scum lynched. Just checking in for the flip. You can stop trolling twilight.

When he flips town, can I plate these words up for you?

[Vedith]

I will gamble my sig on it. You're wrong, you sig it.

What do we put if wrong?
I'll accept though!

[Vedith]

Come to think of, I think this constitutes a wager, which is against site rules. Apologies to the mod if this isn't kosher.

(I still want to do it though)

I'm sure this is fine as it's not influencing the votes.
I'll message mod before hand to confirm though!

Otherwise - We get back to this after the game!

[Vedith]

I'm reading that as a handshake.

[Vedith]

JunkratxRoadhog OTP?

Had to search to see wtf this was.

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith, we should talk. Do you believe that I'm actually a tracker, or should I claim who you visited n1 to prove it to you?

I believe you.

Foxbird will be an acceptable lynch today.

[Vedith]

Honestly, I think how you handled random is also pretty scummy. I need some kind of understanding of why you softclaimed a cop inno (or equivalent) on random. It looks like it could have been scum going for towncred on a flip they know will be town.

I'm not giving information to this out. See it as you will.
Next time, just try to listen to me.

VOTE: FoxBird

[Vedith]

I'm Genji.

Then you're not town.

I'm Hanzo.

[Vedith]

What does that have to do anything?
The way it's phrased for me implies we're both town.

We are all claiming who we are, right?
You are not town.

[Vedith]

I am town, and you are conftown to me if you're actually Hanzo.

I know I am confirmed town to you.
It says in our roles received... You are not town, but 3rd party instead.

[Vedith]

What? That is 100% not true.

It's 100% true.

[Vedith]

Win Condition:
TOWN - you win when all

anti-town factions/players

are eliminated.

[Vedith]

If my role didn't imply you being town I'd think you'd be a lyncher at this point.
But before we "no u" until the sun comes up: What do you think of Wake's claim?

I think the claim was stupid, there was no need for it, at least so early in the day.
I can see it being true though, and if it is, I doubt it would be a scum role.

[Vedith]

randommidget (7) - genji,

podoboq

,

tracer

, doctorpepper,

shadow_step

,

xkfyu

,

foxbird

So going by this, only Gengki and DP can be scum here from this wagon.
If DP is scum, then I suspect Genji is too.

I still think that DP was more town being angry yesterday than scum.
Genji can still easily be scum though.

DoctorPepper (4) - Turret, the engineer, wake88,

randommidget

If we believe Wake here, then we can put him as town, it's easily disproved so I don't see him lying.

If we don't lynch Fox, then we need to vote in The Egnineer, Genji or serrapaladin.

To stop any wasteful time - I am cop. I had an Inno on Tracer, that is why I am putting her as confirmed, and I got 3rd party for Fox (My role states I get the opposite of Genji's (Fox) align, but I don't see town as opposite here. Something to keep in consideration today.

[Vedith]

And to explain the earlier part where I claimed Wake as confirmed inno, is because I thought that hammering would could, and getting an inno on Tracer would have confirmed Wake if that was the case.
Tracer then confirmed that she would not be scum if scum hammered her.

[Vedith]

And you should probably try to be more subtle about this, lol.

I'm not a subtle person.
This is why I suck as scum and PR - VT for the win.

[Vedith]

This all seems too familiar and similar, if you know what I'm talking about Vedith.

No idea!

[Vedith]

You better be town.

I know, I'm bad, but I'm not THAT bad!
What's your view on the Fox part?
I believe that Fox re directed it, but I suspect that it was redirected from scum rather than town.
Fox says that their role indicates me as town, but I'm not sure if that would be given by mod.

I also don't understand the logic from Fox redirecting to Serra.
Not once does she mention Serra, and yet she thinks Serra was scummy enough to redirect a kill from her? Going by the Random lynch, there would have been a number of people who were better than Serra.

@Serra - Are you able to confirm if you are Neutral? This will at least confirm the re direct.

[Vedith]

Uh... Daddy 76 I guess

You guess?

[Vedith]

I guess flavor claiming is good?

IDK me no likey but that dayvig was lmao

Ok, so talk to me about my comment on reads etc.
Do you think Fox is town or scum with a re director power?

[Vedith]

I might as well full-claim here. I'm roadhog, survivor and 1-shot dayvig. My alignment is third party, but my wincon is compatible with the town. The podoboq shot was mine.

Well, that's good enough reason to not put you in the lynch pool today.

So Fox is a re director. Are these more common as scum or town?
Considering my vote was on Fox, and that scum knew who I visited and most likely had a good idea that I was a cop, scum would have expected me to go to Fox.
Obviously expecting to target a town to get a town result, I was sent to Serra who they wouldn't have known is a survivor.

I'm happy with voting Fox here.

[Vedith]

Have everyone claimed flavor yet?

Still waiting for people to even post yet.

[Vedith]

Anyway just do me a favour and lynch serra after me.

But he killed scum?

[Vedith]

He hasn't explained why he shot podo and I don't see him scumreading him anywhere in his ISO. I'd like an explanation for the shot before I believe that he's pro-town.

He's pro survivor, not pro town.
If he has to, he will side with scum, otherwise it goes against his wincon.
However, as he's already killed scum for us, that's promising to us regardless of his reason.

If he has to vote with us to win, he will.

I don't see you as town, and I'm pretty sure you're scum. Serra is voting you, when does he turn into anti town?

[Vedith]

All flips have been without abilities so far.

Why don't you just tell us? Or did you not ask him?

[Vedith]

Oh actually, vedith did you say fox is guaranteed opposite align to you? If so thats p obvious.

Sadly it's not guaranteed, but the way it's written doesn't suggest town. I watched a video on it when I received my role and it had Hanzo and Genji fighting, so if going by fluff I assume it's different aligns there?
There's more to my role as well, but I don't feel the need to say right now.

[Vedith]

So are we lynching Fox or what.

Yes.

[Vedith]

As stated, with a neutral having a day kill and Tracer possible for scum turning, we could easily be looking at 1 more scum
Fox is that scum.

[Vedith]

DrPepper is town.

[Vedith]

So Tracer and DrPepper are town
Shadow is hated
I'm cop

What were the others?

[Vedith]

Oh, Serra is day vig survivor.

[Vedith]

Leaves Genji, the Engineer and Wake.

[Vedith]

If anyone knows why there was no kill, a good time to claim.
I can't see scum leaving Tracer or myself alive and choosing to not kill.

PEdit - I'll need to read up on the game, but why aren't you possiblt for scum again?

[Vedith]

@Vedith:

Because DEEZ NUTZ

.

Mystery solved!

[Vedith]

noo I am backup modly personage




(He begged, I have trouble saying no)...

Tell us who's scum or we lynch you! :<

[Vedith]

DrPepper is confirmed town.

[Vedith]

So this is where I'm at.

I suspect that I'll be killed tonight if the game isn't over.
Lynching Genji will probably be it as scum were in a good place until Serra killed one, I think it was such a sudden change for them that they haven't be able to push an obvious mis lynch else where.
Even when he voted Foxbird it was forced and he still tried to push focus on Serra.

Lynches that should never happen from confirms
Tracer
DrPepper
Serra

Lynches that shouldn't happen regardless with lack of confirms
Shadow - Claims hatred, no confirmation on that but I know that Shadow would not have targeted Tracer over me last night.

Only leaves Engineer and Wake, given that Wake seems less likely.
However, keep in mind the hammer on Tracer, he could have had the same thought process that I had. Would he really give himself up with a possible Tracer lynch the next day?

VOTE: Genji

[Vedith]

The Engineer is town btw.

I assume no one died?

[Vedith]

Oh wait it says lol.

So it's Wake as scum then.

[Vedith]

So where we are at.

Wake88 - Not confirmed

DoctorPepper - Town

Vedith - Cop

Tracer - Town

serrapalagin - Survivor day vig

The Engineer Town

Shadow_Step - Hated

The fact there is no kill makes wonder why. Either they are trying to get suspicion on me or they are spending their nights redirecting my checks.
Now, Tracer was night 1 and I don't think scum would have suspected me to check DrPepper.

I'm now concerned to if Engineer was a re director / Godfather.

It was pretty obvious I was checking him last night.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Wake88

Maybe the last scum can't kill unless there's no-lynch.

Why would that ever make sense though?

[Vedith]

Is there much else for us to discuss for today?

[Vedith]

Does she have the rights to lock it yet?

[Vedith]

So I have a town on

Tracer
Shadow
Engineer
DrPepper

Serra day killed Mafia and I got neutral on.

So they have a GF or re director of some sort.

[Vedith]

So I have a town on

Tracer
Shadow
Engineer
DrPepper

Serra day killed Mafia and I got neutral on.

So they have a GF or re director of some sort.

Who did you investigate last night?

You as everyone else was checked.
I think the reason there is no kills is because they keep re directing themselves.

[Vedith]

Serra will not be a SK with a day vig.
Serra will not have 2 day vig shots.
If Serra can't win with town alive, he can't win and game would have ended.

I currently have town on everyone but Serra who I have neutral on, Fox confirmed re directing my check to Serra.

Tracer is the only person I checked before Fox.

DrPepper, Shadow and the Engineer are all town.
Unless scum have 2 ways to avoid my role? Which would make my role pretty pointless considering the additional negative effect.

VOTE: Tracer

[Vedith]

I have one element I have not claimed yet, by the way.
I might claim that at L-1.

Will it be more of a benefit to claim then instead of now?

[Vedith]

Okay, I'm fine with that.

[Vedith]

There's the off-chance Vedith fake claimed cop

Call me crazy but this was actually my thought

On the offchance

So town just don't get a detective role?
Why would there be a real director without a Cop?

[Vedith]

Keeping in mind the way scum tried to point to me.
I also gave up FoxbiRd pretty easy if I'm scum.

[Vedith]

MariaR replaces DoctorPepper!

Great...

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Tracer

[Vedith]

The Engineer (1) - doctorpepper

DoctorPepper (4) - Turret, the engineer, randommidget, shadow_step

I see no record of a double voter.

[Vedith]

Maria is dodging the game or what?

[Vedith]

You, me, Shadow, Maria and Tracer.

It takes 3 to lynch.

Currently 1 vote on Tracer and 1 on Maria.

[Vedith]

For some reason I thought that Foxbird was confirmed re director.
So this means they are probably still alive and reason for not killing.
That clears both Sera and Tracer as kills happened on nights I checked them and Sera was the reason direct target.

So hear me out here.
Scum has to be in Maria or Shadow right?

[Vedith]

Oh well then...Is it only 1 scum or are we in lylo cause if it's only 1 scum I can do a quick re read and then hammer myself

Maria always self votes or threatens to self vote when she is scum.
That's game.

VOTE: Maria

Put your vote back please Sera.

[Vedith]

There would never be 4 mafia with a possible recruit and a day vig neutral.
I assume when I checked Dr pepper he directed me then was ask last night and didn't kill.

Maria is scum here.

[Vedith]

Afk even.

[Vedith]

It makes sense to have 1 omni each align... Genji was one so I guess by default you are scum.
Plus no kill last night die to afk makes sense

[Vedith]

Why are you alive though o-o

Also you can throw shade onto me (we both know what you are doing) but this is the wrong game for you to try and push me as scum
There is too much evidence to prove I'm cop.

[Vedith]

That's game.
Maria was scum.

[Vedith]

I'm convinced enough that you're scum.

[Vedith]

I just got home. Lol.
And no its not because people.bought your bullshit then it's because you are scum here.
I don't know what you want to talk about. Thanks for ending the game and all.

[Vedith]

Lol yeah I'm scum who other scum wanted to push and outed my buddy out as the re director, pushed them as scum. Not to mention there is no detective role but me with scum and re director.
GTFO

[Vedith]

I'm still confident you are scum here and new it was a lost cause.
Your other games you haven't been in a situation where people are dead set on you as scum at this point.
Scum you self votes every game.

[Vedith]

If you was really going to give it a read you would of without self hammering.
Me calling you scum would mean you would self hammer as town

[Vedith]

Wouldn't. Phone posting.

[Vedith]

If you're really town then that's terrible play from you for self hammering like that in this kind of situation.
Then to call me scum without reading any of the game xD

[Vedith]

Lol yeah town wouldn't come in call someone scum without reading and self hammer.

[Vedith]

No reason a cop should be alive this long without a doctor or some type of protective role have fun getting out of that bind I don't need to read the game to know that

You are so bad.

[Vedith]

No reason a cop should be alive this long without a doctor or some type of protective role have fun getting out of that bind I don't need to read the game to know that

You are so bad.

Am I bad or scum?

Bad scum.
You're just angry your "hehe I'm all innocent hehe" play wouldn't work here.

[Vedith]

And I'm not wrong was there a doctor to protect you or are you just alive for 0 reason

If you read the game it would be clear why I alive and you might have made it to 3p
Instead you instantly try casting shade on me lololol

[Vedith]

You realise it's basically only me playing the game. For the last few days no one is playing properly. Maybe aside Sera.
If you really wanted to know what was going on why would you self hammer as town?
Until otherwise I'm taking that as scum knowing they lost.

[Vedith]

Lolol
Okay, Maria..

[Vedith]

Do me a favour, don't replace in any games I'm in any more please.

[Vedith]

Do me a favour, don't replace in any games I'm in any more please.

Sure just don't try to meta me thank you.

Your meta of shouting or meta of "but I'm so sweet!"?

[Vedith]

You're missing the alt post slip.

[Vedith]

I don't want to end up losing to TP. So I'd rather get this paladin Lynch out of the way.

He's not being lynched.
Unless you believe he has 1 more day vig or any sort of night kill with 2 scum having a possibility of recruiting another he can't win if no scum are left.

[Vedith]

It's not a slip silly e-everyone knows my main d-don't be so h-harsh

UNVOTE:
G-guess we're done with the g-game yeah?

Yeah I suspected that a self hammer wouldn't count on you.
Shadow vote here please and hammer.

[Vedith]

Maria can't self hammer. I am calling it now.
She would have argued against me in my post of she could instead she doesn't know?

[Vedith]

Why can you hammer Shadow?

[Vedith]

Your double vote only works on omnics right?
That was Genji and he dead

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Maria

Actually. If Shadow is really town we auto lose tomorrow anyway if by some small chance Maria is town.

[Vedith]

He was town lol

[Vedith]

But I can't see Tracer being scum.
I checked her night 1 and Wake was town who hammered her.
Serra does not have more than 1 day vig and does not have a nk. It would imbalance the game too much.
Scum has to be Maria or Shadow.

[Vedith]

Unless Shadow is omnics scum and that's why he's claiming hated?

[Vedith]

I really want Tracer and Serra to point more into today.

[Vedith]

If it was the case maybe it says that omnics votes count as 2.
Or got lucky from a fake hatred claim.

But then he has a turret. He wouldn't be able to use a turret and re direct.

[Vedith]

I was pushing for a fox lynch on the day before we lynched her and I was suspicious of podoboq. I'm not scum.
And we don't autolose tomorrow if Maria flips town, why would that happen ? We will have Vedith, Shadow, paladin, engineer and tracer alive.

Why did I think it was 5 alive?
I keep forgetting about the engineer.

@Mod - Update on votes and stuff please.

The reason I thought we auto lose is because if we players, you only need 1 to lose.
If you are not lynched tomorrow it is LyLo tomorrow then if we lynch wrong.

[Vedith]

The actual fuck just happened?

Maria fake hammered.
As scum she self votes every game.

What's your role? I forget

[Vedith]

@Maria - I'm still not clear on your claim (neither Genji's).
Does your vote show twice?

[Vedith]

On Omnics, I mean.

I ask because I can't find Engineer role claiming, and that worries me. Considering that everyone else has now.

[Vedith]

@Maria - I'm still not clear on your claim (neither Genji's).
Does your vote show twice?

It's omnic hatred my vote counts twice against omnics

But will it show twice?
Can you find out if unsure?
If yes then if you vote engineer...

[Vedith]

It show's as just 1 vote so if me and 1 other person voted a omnic here it would be (person) Me-lynch

Okay, can we try something out?

VOTE: Engineer
Can you vote here too?

If what you say is true, there will be a scum Omnic in the game 100%
@Serra - Please vote here as well. If Engineer is an Omnic they will be lynched, if not, it's L1 and we can just unvote.
@Everyone else do not vote here

@Serra - The reason I think Tracer is town here is because unless she's a Judas, the only reason she could been scum night 1 is if Wake was. Wake was town.
Also, what Maria is doing is something that she does as scum every game. I will provide links when I get a chance.

@Shadow - Why turret Serra?

[Vedith]

@Shadow - Why turret Serra?

It's a night action, you had town cleared everyone else.

Fair enough.
The fact that you can deploy a turret makes me highly doubt that you can also re direct/kill.
And the turret fits in with a hatred theme helping you with the voting.

Everything is pointing to Maria still, and as said before, she self votes every game as scum and people never seem to scum read her for it.
If her vote doesn't hammer Engineer (and we can even check this on other players that aren't Shadow if needed) this is the lynch for today imo.
With her claim, if it's true there will be a scum omnic which neither Podo or Fox were, right?

I'm assuming Von is having a lot of issues atm.

[Vedith]

@Maria - Name of your character?
Sorry if you posted this already.

[Vedith]

Bastion
Tekhartha Zenyatta ~ Genji
Tekhartha Mondatta
Hal-Fred Glitchbot
Okoro

These are the known Omnics according to Overwatch lore.
Can anyone claim any of the 4 remaining names?

If the game isn't over now Maria, I strongly think you are scum.
I've just looked over Foxbird and Podo (and DrPepper) so I'm just doing a post here.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Engineer

Okay, so that stops Engineer being an Omnic.

[Vedith]

Spoiler: DrPepper vs Shadow

Either Torbjorn or Symmetra. Im basing this on flavor, but in the game these are the only characters who have turrets who attack for you. Thus they could be double voting this way. In this case, I am assuming (by flavor) that the person voting me is town

So in early days, he thinks that the turret owner is town.

Torbjorn and Symmetra have no connections to the bad guys in the flavor. Even if theg can fakeclaim, you cant fakeclaim them now that they actually used the ability. I think the turret is no qiestion, town

Set on turret being from town. His explanation is perfectly reasonable.

VOTE: Shadow

Votes Shadow

So you accuse me of OMGUS and are now committing OMGUS :>

Hi, can anyone counterclaim ownership of the turret

Once Shadow claims to have the turret, he doesn't unvote, even though he's certain it's town.

DP, why are you still voting Shadow, despite the fact that you are sure that the turret is town?

Questioned to why voting Shadow still

VOTE: Random

THEN

changes his vote

He's scummy. That said, role spec indicates he is town.

With this as a follow up. If he really thought he was town for the turret, he would have unvote at claim.

Spoiler: Foxbird

{

DGB

,

Genji

,

podoboq

}
{

Vedith

}
{

randomidget

,

Shadow

}
{

inte

,

Peter

}
{DoctorPepper, Engineer}

{

Tracer

??}

Here DrPepper and Engineer are top scum reads

Hated scum seems excessive in a game with such a swingy traitor, though?

Tries to divert the DrPepper lynch

Done with my quick ISO dive.

VOTE: Vedith

Suddenly votes me, after ignoring the Engineer and DrPepper votes.

I actually agree with this. Not sure if that's good or bad..
Also I wasn't actually aware that the deadline was this close (to be honest, I forgot there was a deadline at all, with it not being in the VCs), so I will get the heck off this vanity wagon.

VOTE: Shadow

L-2.

I still want Vedith tomorrow though. Or Engineer.

Votes away from DrPepper on Shadow, and prepares me and Engineer as both scum.
This is an odd change without reason for Foxbird to stop scum reading DrPepper.

Anyway just do me a favour and lynch serra after me.

Pushing for a Serra lynch here

Spoiler: Podo hard, hard defending DrPepper day 2

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Votes DrPepper, no actual threat
After that, no mention of DrPepper (apart from lore side) until the next part.

VOTE: randommidget

His wagon on DoctorPepper seems bad to me. His argument for starting it is "If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon." But do you have an actual reason to scumread DoctorPepper, or are just assuming that Tracer is a counterwagon, despite her insistence that she's lynched for mechanical reasons? It feels like his reason to wagon DoctorPepper is to lynch him, and gain information about the Tracer wagon, but that seems like a piss poor train of thought.

He then defends DrPepper, which continues through out the day with this.

I'm not saying DoctorPepper isn't scum, I'm saying I wanted you to justify why YOU think he's scum, because it seemed like you were starting his wagon for bad reasons. So can you please explain where he's faking a scumread on someone, or should I just go ISO him myself to see if I agree with you?

OK, I looked for it. I don't have any problems with this vote from him. He's saying the same thing you are, "I'm voting this person because it seems they created a fake reason to scumread someone." I don't think I agree with DoctorPepper (I don't really have a problem with Shadowstep's suspicion), but I don't think that read of his comes from a scummy place.

This is very interesting. While I don't think that role is necessarily town aligned, I read his full claim as pretty townie.

DrPep, did you read my accusation of randommidget?

Because these are very bad.

"Fabricating reasons to scumread people" could be said about basically everyone in that chain.

Shadow says Springlullaby is trying to look busy.
DoctorPepper says Shadowstep is fabricating a reason to scumread Springlullaby over trying to look busy.
randommidget thinks DoctorPepper is fabricating a reason to scumread Shadowstep over fabricating a reason to scumread Springlullaby over trying to look busy.

Are you seeing the problem with this chain? It's complete nonsense.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a flagrant misrep.

random's post 436 is individually scummy, but his other stated reason for voting DoctorPepper is just completely off the wall bullshit. He's misrepping DoctorPepper. That's different than just fake scumhunting.

I'm voting random because his reason to vote DoctorPepper is to confirm Tracer (which is garbage for a hundred reasons) and because he believes DoctorPepper was inconsistent when he clearly wasn't. If he wanted to say "I think DoctorPepper's vote on shadowstep is bad, and I'm scumreading him because of that," I can look past that, but his logic is "DoctorPepper gave a reason, then gave a different reason when questioned," which is just untrue.

{

Wake88

} - Basically confirmed town based on the replace out
{DoctorPepper,

Xkfyu

} Pretty town
{

Tracer

,

Foxbird

,

genji

,

serrapaladin

} - Slight town lean
{

Vedith

,

Shadow_Step

, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy
{

randomidget

} - Very scummy

{Wake88} - Basically confirmed town based on the replace out{DoctorPepper, Xkfyu} Pretty town{Tracer, Foxbird, genji, serrapaladin} - Slight town lean{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy{randomidget} - Very scummy

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

Your read on Pepper is shitty and omgus.

Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....

His reason to vote DrPepper is shitty. I called it out as a misrep, and he's since kind of abandoned the thread.

He's still voting DP, with terrible reasons:

There's a lot more in my iso on him. Please read it if you aren't convinced that his behavior is scummy.

I agree with this.

I've gotten this angry as town when town was lynching me for no reason.

This doesn't look like cornered scum. The reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are pretty trash.

I feel like my reasons for scumreading random are pretty obvious, and I'm surprised my townies aren't picking up on it. His reasons for scumreading DoctorPepper are 1) A misrep, 2) Because Tracer was a supposed counterwagon, and 3) Not backed up and supported by him when questioned.

You get the idea here.

Spoiler: DrPepper ISO

Not much - Just him talking about himself and how scummy Shadow is... It's basically all that.

Spoiler: Votes betweenFoxbird, DrPepper and Podo

VOTE: DoctorPepper

Spoiler: Why Vedith is town

{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy

Only 1 post on me all game before this and he's calling me town.

Why are we derailing an actual wagon for Vedith's bullshit counter wagon?

I know your flavor, which is not necessarily alignment indicative, and I know who you visited, which is incredibly fucking suspicious.

I'm not saying any more about my role before the night. We can air it out some more tomorrow.

Hey Vedith, we should talk. Do you believe that I'm actually a tracker, or should I claim who you visited n1 to prove it to you?

I have absolutely no idea how you get any conclusion on random based on who you visited, so I'd like to hear you explain your townread on random. If it was just a read, then whatever, but you implied that it came from moderator confirmed information, and I don't think it's possible for you to have had that.


Also, I did ISO you. I see nothing explaining why random is "100% town" to you. Is there a crumb I missed, because I'm historically bad with crumbs.

Honestly, I think how you handled random is also pretty scummy. I need some kind of understanding of why you softclaimed a cop inno (or equivalent) on random. It looks like it could have been scum going for towncred on a flip they know will be town.

...no? All of he information I have is pointing to you making up your read on random. The only reason I'm considering that I'm missing something is that aside from random, I've thought your play is pretty town. The random shit isn't.

Done with my quick ISO dive.

VOTE: Vedith

I'm up for this.

Vedith's recent ISO is prodging for a bit and then making random unprovoked condescending comments and then bragging on how we can vote him and lining up two other lynches after his own flip.

Since my vote wasn't anywhere anyway that seemed scummy enough to throw it on there.

So why did the Vedith wagon not gain any traction? If someone's got a townread on him, I'd like to hear it.

I still want Vedith tomorrow though. Or Engineer.

I'm Genji.

And Vedith is probably town so I need to reevaluate my reads.
Whoever the dayvig is, don't out yourself.

I am town, and you are conftown to me if you're actually Hanzo.

If my role didn't imply you being town I'd think you'd be a lyncher at this point.
But before we "no u" until the sun comes up: What do you think of Wake's claim?

I think you still have to consider the situation that led to this. Not my proudest moment and one that I prefer be buried. But the fact im using a game where I did this, because the exact same thing is happening here, must at least give you guys an idea of why I think people like Vedith are scum. I've been in this situation in the past and it sucks.

Oh now you engage me.
Fine I'll bite.

He misrepped my case on Shadow as fake making up reasons to call someone scum and I covered that pretty extensively on why I think that was scummy.

But okay, keep faking contribution.

UNVOTE: Serrapaladin
VOTE: DrPepper

The fact that this is the towniest wagon going.

L1 and all that Jazz.

It's just stalled because scum won't let us lynch DrPepper.

And this is scum goons coming to his rescue.

The reasons for scum reading Random are pretty trash, I don't see you defend that though.

No, we are just spot on with the scum read.

Exactly why. Fox is also scum!
Random is town 100%

I didn't read it.
So get your vote on me as I just scum claimed, right?

Okay, you're right.
Why is Random scum? In your opinion, of course.

I'm not faking content, neither have I said that I am giving content.
I know what I know already, I know that Random has no chance of flipping scum. I know that you have a good chance, and you are actually angry because you are getting called out for it.
I know that Serra will be resolved tomorrow.
I know that I won't be lynched.

You just sit there shouting that no one is listening to you, when I give you the chance, you don't want to discuss it.

My point is made here.

Because I'm that damn good.

Now, lets continue, what else do you have on him for him being scum?
I mean, your reasoning seems a little weak so far, I'm sure you have more.

VOTE: Fox

Exactly why. Fox is also scum!
Random is town 100%

That's what I'm talking about!

Awww come on, don't be like that, just vote Fox with us!

@DP, if I call you town for the rest of the game, will you stay in and lynch Fox?

Going by what he said - He's not town.
So he's not playing bad, he's just scum.

Foxbird will be an acceptable lynch today.

I'm not giving information to this out. See it as you will.
Next time, just try to listen to me.

VOTE: FoxBird

Then you're not town.

I'm Hanzo.

We are all claiming who we are, right?
You are not town.

I know I am confirmed town to you.
It says in our roles received... You are not town, but 3rd party instead.

Ok, so talk to me about my comment on reads etc.
Do you think Fox is town or scum with a re director power?

As stated, with a neutral having a day kill and Tracer possible for scum turning, we could easily be looking at 1 more scum
Fox is that scum.

Spoiler: Why shadow is town

VOTE: Fox

omgus

Yes, the fact that you're scum.

VOTE: Pepper

Tracer today and Pepper tomorrow.

VOTE: Pepper

Pepper is my top scum read and JM very happy with that a lot being lynched.

This was like six minutes, what exactly did you see in that time?

DP is still my top scum read, but I'm having 2nd thoughts about their alignment.
Too scummy to be scum sort.

Seriously, every time someone says that the double voter ability is scum. It pinges my scumdar, a scum double voter, and a hated player(me), do you understand how broken that is?

VOTE: Fox

I'd like this

This is a god awful vote.
First you didn't explain why I was a scum lean for you then you vote me for no reason.

Deadline being close is a bs reason, we still have two days I think.

VOTE: podoboq

I'm torbjorn, the turret is me.

VOTE: fox

I wanted to lynch this yesterday

The rest to add was all scum wanting to vote Shadow

Spoiler: Why Serra is neutral

Because he day vigged scum and I got a confirm neutral on him

Spoiler: Why Tracer is town

Because Wake was town, so a hammer from town would have been impossible.
First night checked, so scum would have had to turn her before my check, and they would never have had re direct on her night 1, I got town night 1

Spoiler: Why is engineer town

I still want Vedith tomorrow though. Or Engineer.

VOTE: The Engineer
He's not even from this game!

{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy

VOTE: The Engineer

The only content im seeing from this slot is 'Lynch DP' without anything else. Lets do this.

I'd also want an Engineer lynch

Not too much on Engineer, but it seems highly unlikely that he's scum here.

Sorry, I got a little slacked on the end there but I'm getting bugged to go play league.

VOTE: Maria

[Vedith]

So we can't just do this test and if it doesn't work vote me? I don't see any harm in doing it so why can't we

You want to do it on Shadow, correct?
If he's scum he won't be hated anyway. So we decide to lynch him or not. I choose not.

[Vedith]

Who did you visit N2 Vedith

Foxbird, who directed me to Serra and I got Neutral.

[Vedith]

Not voting Shadow.
If you really want to try it on Tracer, Serra and myself, then fine.