Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over
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But is pine scum?In post 361, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Pine
It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.-
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No I understand the scum motivation (as well as the town motivation) for keeping a claim vague. What I don't understand is why you expect scum to have to wriggle around with claiming shit or would even be worried about being countered at all.
Unless you're saying he fakeclaimed one of those classes that wouldn't be safe for him to claim just to get an item that he doesn't even know does anything.-
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But why would you expect a counterclaim in the first place?
My point was though that the only scenario I can see where pines risks making a claim like that as scum is where they'd know that the item actually could do something semi worthwhile. I too agree that the first item is probably gonna do something more than likely.
Not sure how to take pine saying it doesn't do anything tbh. Could be scum lying or town telling the truth. Could be it does something that pine doesn't even know about as either alignment.
All worthless speculation at this point until we see some blood.
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I could get down with this.In post 369, shaddowez wrote:
VOTE: DunnstralIn post 361, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Pine
It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.
You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.
Why is nobody asking me why I'm voting shaz?-
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That's a pretty weak tell to apply to someone who to be scum would have to have fakeclaimed miller in a role-heavy setup.In post 381, Shaziro wrote:
Right here.In post 284, Shaziro wrote:You re-voted for Kuror, both of which were blank votes in the first place, and earlier asked somebody else to explain their reason for giving Pine their vote. I don't like hypocrisy in games, because it's rarely a town mindset.
Was there reason for you to believe that his asking for reasoning on a pine vote may have come before a time where he was still unsure of exactly what we were voting for/what was going on from the point up until he voted kuror without much thought behind it?
Or is it more likely scum just tripping over their own principles.
I guess to rephrase the question; was there no change in circumstance to your eye between these three votes?-
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Short answer is fake gamesolving but gimme some time with him then I'll know if I need to get longwinded.In post 383, SlySly wrote:Why are you voting shaz?-
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Well that was only one example, if you want to subscribe scum-motive to having a different thought process behind a few different votes, I'd like to know why you think that the change in process from asking why someone was voting for someone to get an item earlier on vs he himself voting later on naked couldn't possibly be a genuine trajectory brought on by ... realizations ... not giving a care ... thinking about things a little bit more.In post 385, Shaziro wrote:Also, I don't know how he could not be sure what we were voting for? It's fairly clearly described in the mod posts, and nobody else seemed particularly confused?
I'm just looking to understand where you're coming from on your stances, no need to start waffling already. I will note that you not having a vote out there despite having scumreads troubles me somewhat.-
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So he's not a townread, but you're hardpressed to lynch him.In post 386, JasonWazza wrote:
Not entirely sure yet, but i don't think he is today's lynch at all, and he would be one i wouldn't vote unless something major comes up.In post 379, culted wrote:Jason, I disagree with your vote. How are you reading shaziro atm?
Can I ask why? Are we rreally to lazy to use google for flavor stuff?-
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Stay with me shaziro. It's fine to find hypocrisies scummy. It's not fine to distinguish scummy hypocrisy from forgivable ones without explaining to me why you think the change in thought process doesn't make sense from a town-mindset.In post 391, Shaziro wrote:I think him expecting people to give explanation for votes, but then giving votes with no explanation whatsoever is hypocritical. Do you disagree?
I think hypocrisy is a sign of scumminess. This makes him a suspect in my mind.
I don't see how any of that is waffling, I'd like you to explain what I've done that you take as waffling.
Saying "I'm not even pushing dunn" is what I was referring to. Hedging was probably the more appropriate term there.-
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But you called dunn scummy for that particular hypocrisy.In post 393, Shaziro wrote:Ok, but like I said, I think it's possible for town to be hypocritical too.
Anyone else noticing the circles?
Shaz can talk setup all day but can't keep one read straight.-
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Okay so if it was scummy then can you explain why the hypocrisy (IE - change in mindset) makes more sense to come from scum?
This is the one part that you can't seem to answer.
I don't know the source material at all this decision was complete compulsion but so far I'm having fun. Cool that I missed the boring part of the game as well.-
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He claimed wizard OR something else. Which means that he could get the most buffs from the amulet or so that's what we're all gonna assume.In post 404, Dunnstral wrote:I feel as if pine gathering a bunch of votes for the item in a short time was scummy.
What claim?-
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To be fair, this is scummy when it doesn't seem like you're pushing anything else.In post 426, Pine wrote:@Culted: Let vig deal with Dunn. If there's no vig in game, we can always lynch him tomorrow.-
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What's alignment indicative about that; it came from a public vote that anyone could win. He didn't claim anything confirmable either.In post 431, Dunnstral wrote:
His claim of the amulet.In post 427, culted wrote:Dunn no really please explain why you unvoted there idgi.-
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That isn't even so much my point anyway, even if pine claimed something confirmable the item still could have gone to scum. Unless you think they're more likely to lie about it, in which case takingthat claimat face value seems contrived at worst and you not paying attention at best.
pedit: right but I thought pine softed pretty obviously that he couldn't use until after he was dead. If he's dead I don't care if it's confirmable anymore because I'll know pine's alignment then.-
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Who are you gonna vote for?In post 442, Creature wrote:Won't vote until I get the VC.-
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No you're totally right. I just literally makeshifted a readslist and people I didn't have a real read on was my vig pool there.In post 462, Persivul wrote:PLing someone who's been on VLA for a weekend is bad form. This isn't a blitz.
Brantz only having 1 post means that he's legitamitely inactive but kuroi's iso is bad ontop of producing no content.
The different phases while reading up messed with me too like my timeframe is all weird now hard to believe like 3 actual events took place in this game over one weekend see what I'm saying now.-
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Feel like kuroi's reaction to getting policy voted was kinda flaccid? Like does he scumread me for it or is he just pissed?
Kinda feel like he's pushing creature for nai/surfacey things while there's already a smidgen of hype there? Scummy.
Pine/Dunn might be a bus after thinking over stuff and persivul + others have brought up some very good points down to apply my pressures after a VC.
drealmerz is an iso I wanna look at as well.-
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Wasn't talking about that, maybe we'd cut directly to the root of the problem more easily if I just laid out an entire case on you next time.In post 553, KuroiXHF wrote:This and saying that Creature should know better than the way he's playing. How is any of this throwing shade?
I tend to scumread players without purpose. When I see an iso of someone who's vla but still with enough time to make reaction posts coupled with your first few posts pinging me as awkward somewhat you can see why my vote was placed where it's at right now. What's the purpose behind catching up and quoting creature's activity list to display frustration about having attention called to you for being away if you had already displayed that in the same post to me?
To me this seems less like someone sorting the game and more like someone coasting by, looking like they're dancing with the thread but really are just posting words for words.
But I think I may understand how you play a touch better now. Let's not make more noise with this let's talk about who you're scumreading besides pine.-
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Why?In post 597, Creature wrote:Meh, I think drealmerz7 is town.-
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That was before I read up all the way but you guys were fosing each other without voting each other and your unvote still kinda felt for show but meh.
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Not sure what I was expecting; but you're good to vote him the post dunn quoted is essentially a scumclaim.
Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.
I also don't know if pine and dreal as partners both hard push on persivul like they have been.-
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I wouldn't really consider myself an alt, I've played on this forum before but I never really found a home playing mafia here. The place I play regularly got really boring/cancerous recently long story short.In post 618, KuroiXHF wrote:Are you an alt? I'm not sure if we've played a game before. I will say I naturally come across as suspicious and I'm easily scumread, so I don't blame anyone for that.
And you're not off the hook yet; who do you think is scum outside pine? What's your read on drealmerz?-
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Doesn't mean it's a wagon on scum necessarily but I'll agree the rabble about pine has started to fade a bit. Could just be that town's more ready for a dreal flip though.In post 620, Persivul wrote:
I believe Pine's wagon is at 4 and stalled now.In post 616, culted wrote:Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.
You're voting dreal. In a scum!dreal world, what's the alternative to scum!pine and distancing? If pine were town, scum!dreal would be WKing him for town cred. Instead he's saying Pine reeks of scummyness, but then taking the bizarre position that, since very early in the game Pine appeared townie, we should ignore the current reek.
The weird thing is that I'm pretty much in love with how this dreal wagon has built up so far, whereas pine I'm not really scumreading any of the votes on him as much as a few people kinda biding their time on it.
Hard to credit if dreal is more likely to white knight a town pine as scum because if pine's town that's a good mislynch for scum is it not?-
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Not at all, btw.In post 584, Creature wrote:Has been drealmerz7 been posting a lot in Part 3?-
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Right and what I'm saying is I don't have any idea who you are; I just find it remarkably annoying and somewhat scummy how disinterested you are in talking about who you think is scum while conversely finding every opportunity to talk about yourself.In post 628, KuroiXHF wrote:Drealmerz is about a null read at the moment.
Also, you took a look at dreal's iso and just went "shit's nai" right.
Don't really buy it he's posted more content than pine has.-
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I can't tell if you're hopelessly tunneled on persi so you can't see how scummy his case on him was or if you're just scum.In post 737, Pine wrote:
It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.culted wrote:Pine, why are you townreading kuror?
Go back and read it and tell me it doesn't look not a lot like gamesolving but let's find reasons to scumread this guy.
Would you vote dreal?-
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What about it looked like solving the game?In post 744, Pine wrote:I don't really agree with the scumminess of kuror0's case, but meh. I don't necessarily see the case on drealmerz. What's your thoughts on Jason? He looks more motivated to appear active than actually being productive.
You don't 'necessarily' see the case on drealmerz? What does that mean? What looks town there?
I think jason's town.-
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