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Seriously 6 pages before I woke up?
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ok I read up
VOTE: mastina
The stuff she's pushing is terrible. We have literally no clue of how Pine picked up his players, so this pushing to lynch Nacho based on "I think Pine would pick him as scum" is scummy af.
I think the Real Gin N Tonic (mainly because of 131) and dreal are town. No one else stuck out to me.
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Vax, dreal is always VERY emotional is his posting, it's not AI
Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home siteBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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It was naked, not much to react to.In post 156, Monokuma wrote:
How nice! Do you also intentionally not react when your good buddies from your home site vote you?SirCakez wrote:Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home site
Lynching town Nacho is pretty good for scum.In post 164, Aeronaut wrote:
Ok, I agree that it's terrible, but the thing is that there's not a scum motivation to it. Where do you see one?In post 141, SirCakez wrote:ok I read up
VOTE: mastina
The stuff she's pushing is terrible. We have literally no clue of how Pine picked up his players, so this pushing to lynch Nacho based on "I think Pine would pick him as scum" is scummy af.
I think the Real Gin N Tonic (mainly because of 131) and dreal are town. No one else stuck out to me.
@dreal it was 5-second Rule
Or alternatively, bussing scum Nacho would reap a shitload of towncred.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I can't remember seeing Nacho bussed before, and when he's scum he's usually one of the last ones lynched of the team. There's definitely credit to be had in bussing him.In post 171, pisskop wrote:Stop.
Nacho isaplayer. Dont afford credit for bussing nacho. shits super easy since half the time he ignores them and the other half you can talk about inane shit
Because whenever someone asks why someone just naked voted them, they'll inevitably say some stupid shit like "reasons" or "not saying" or whatever.In post 172, Monokuma wrote:
well hey, you addressed us! but you dodged the issue and instead just posted pointless fluff. literally you could have said "hey why are you voting me?" or even just "explain?" if youre feeling lazy and dont want to hit all those keys on your keyboard. but noooooooooooo, youre too cool to even wonder why we're voting you! why do you HATE US SO MUCH, SIRCAKEZ? WHY? W H Y?In post 169, SirCakez wrote:
It was naked, not much to react to.In post 156, Monokuma wrote:
How nice! Do you also intentionally not react when your good buddies from your home site vote you?SirCakez wrote:Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home siteBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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you =/= mastinaBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Mastin could be scum or could be town, who knows? = this post basicallyIn post 187, Secret Agent Jin wrote:There is only a few people here that i have played games with, one of them being Dreal. If anyone else posted like Dreal has been i would look at those posts as a bit scummy but, i mean really, it is just Dreal being Dreal so i take whatever he says with a grain of salt but that can only last for so long.
I am attempting to get a feel of the players since this is the first time i have played with a majority of you all. Two questions arise for me.
1) Normally i would have a townlean toward Mastina because of the content she produced early but this is camn's revenge and it seems nothing is normal. My question: Does Mastina post these analytical posts a high majority of the time no matter alignment or is this a rare thing?
2) Mastina has basically excluded a small group of players due to her views toward how Pine would select the scum. To me this isnt an attempt to shade them from gazing eyes because if Mastina flipped scum then all eyes would be on tbose players. I think it is an actual pool of players that she has actually wrote off. She also said that both Nacho and herself cant be scum together for reasons she has explained multiple times. We really cant rule anyone out as its all WIFOM. Did Pine pick players he knew the majority would not think of or did he double back and pick players that are too obvious to be on his team. My question: Do you think the majority of Mastina's posts are genuine or fabricated to line up the lynches the way she wants?
She has obviously produced enough reasoning already, posted or not, to adjust her reads if one flips town. I can see it now, a wall sized bulletin board with pins and strings leading everywhere. If she is town, i can see someone flipping an alignment she didnt produce so she corrects her massive read board to calculate in how they flipped. If she is scum, she has piles of notes to justify why her read was wrong and line up another lynch. I mean, its basically all WIFOM pertaining to my view on Mastina also.
Schrödinger's Pine Box, did he choose Mastina or is Mastina a town asset? You wont know until its opened. Like "Yeah, no, the cats dead, we forgot to punch air holes."
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disappointing dreal
SAJ what was the point of the post then?
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I mean what were you trying to accomplish with that info dump?In post 383, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
The point of the original post pages back or the one two posts above this?In post 382, SirCakez wrote:disappointing dreal
SAJ what was the point of the post then?
Them not being buddies is something at least
The original post was like an info dump, conveying what my brain is thinking as i read. The original post was just my outlook on the situation and a couple questions. The post two posts above this was telling you i have 0 clue as to what mastina is alignment wise because her brain obviously is in a higher gear than mine and i could never even allude to being on the same level mentally as her.
tfw I'm lurking q.qIn post 385, Pine wrote:Oh, I agree, I'd be careful with him. He's mostly reputation, and is just as fallible as anyone, but don't back off - his counterattacks can be fierce.
Maybe pressure BTD6 or Sir Cakez a bit. Just make sure it doesn't come off as bullying the lurkers.
What about voting scum????Vaxkiller wrote:Voting nacho is just distracting from the game. He is not going to post any faster.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Like people could be voting Nacho because they think he's scumIn post 392, Vaxkiller wrote:
I dont understand, you think hes scum?In post 389, SirCakez wrote:What about voting scum????
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Not posting and the theory of who Pine picked are two reasons people are using to vote him.In post 410, Vaxkiller wrote:
Soooo people think this post was over the top obvious scum?In post 409, SirCakez wrote:
Like people could be voting Nacho because they think he's scumIn post 392, Vaxkiller wrote:
I dont understand, you think hes scum?In post 389, SirCakez wrote:What about voting scum????
Telling people to unvote because "he won't show up any faster" is dumb
Because taht is al he posted so far.In post 191, Nachomamma8 wrote:Hola. I have limited access today, but I will check in tomorrow.
I'm new here, but I've heard the name nacho before, so its not like hes some newbie-scum that is afraid to post.
So what about that post do you think people were voting him for?
I did earlier, I'll restate the highlights. Her "theory" of who Pine picked is pointless and scummy because for all we know, Pine RNGed his picks. And her pick to go for nacho seems like scum trying to pick off a good town early, or bussing (which I now doubt).In post 419, Aeronaut wrote:
Ok, can you lay out what you actually think is scum about mastina? She's being silly, but there's definitely no scum motivation in it.In post 372, SirCakez wrote:please let that dayvig shot be real
Fate's push on Nacho is pretty garbage, I think that's a safe bet for buddies with mastin scum. Which would make Nacho town, but nothing he's posted has given me a townvibe, so null for now, town if either fate or mastin scumflips.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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In post 498, mastina wrote:
Son, if you call that TheRealGin-N-Tonic posting AtE, you've got a LOT of learning to do.In post 370, SirCakez wrote:It looks genuine as hell. Unless Real Gin has a history of AtE as scum.
There was no AtE in there and there was nothing in there that could even be considered genuine. Like, there was nothing in there which you could say was a case of "is this fake or is this real?", it was just a post that was...a post. A scummy post, but a post all the same. .
This is definitely AtE. He's cursing, asking to be wagoned, mentioning a scummy award.In post 131, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
I think I deserve a flash wagon
Ok, even assuming Pine didn't RNG his picks, how would you know whether he tried to WIFOM the playerlist with his picks or not if you were town? Especially since you're apparently very good at predicting Pine, if you were town I think you wouldn't be trying to outsmart his picks here.In post 542, mastina wrote:
Keep telling yourself that.In post 464, SirCakez wrote:Her "theory" of who Pine picked is pointless and scummy because for all we know, Pine RNGed his picks.
Doesn't make it any less true.
I explained about as explicitly as possible WHY Pine would make strategic picks: he's going to make a scumteam he knows is good, that works well together as a team.
He is NOT going to RNG the scumteam because that goes against the fucking point of the game. It violates it in spirit, and it violates it in practice thanks to how unreliable it is. Pine didn't make picks for fun. (If he did I'd be scum.) Pine wouldn't discard the mechanic by going random. Pine would pick a team he thought would win the game. The ONLY thing in question is what defines "what he thought would win the game".
And while I might not know Pine enough to predict him perfectly...I've got a pretty damn reliable record there. (Yes I didn't early-on, but again: I got better, he stayed about the same.) He's not going to pick strangers. He's going to pick people he knows will work as a team.
While mastin is scum she raises a good point about ignoring Pine's posting due to it being WIFOM. Which is funny because she's playing like Pine didn't WIFOM with his picks.
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He's scum.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I TR dreal for his shitposting and tone
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I read Ttyll and you were much more...uptight that game so I'm hopeful you're legit here.In post 624, drealmerz7 wrote:
at they are least in this gameIn post 622, SirCakez wrote:I TR dreal for his shitposting and tone
Generally those things get him scumread but they're town tells for him
gotta switch it up!
oh god this wallIn post 643, mastina wrote:
Okay. One: cursing is not a sign of AtE. You can fucking curse all damn day and not have a lick of emotion behind it. Two, there was only one curse word in there. And three, said curse word? Not even used in a manner that is ever emotional.In post 589, SirCakez wrote:This is definitely AtE. He's cursing, asking to be wagoned, mentioning a scummy award.
You NEVER say "fucked" when you're emotional.
Sure, you can say fucking as an emotion.
Sure, you can say fuck as an emotion. (Fuck you, for instance.)
But fucked? No. Fucked is used in either two connotations: the literal sense of fornication, or the metaphorical sense of being screwed. "I'm fucked". "You're fucked". And those terms? Usually used in a lighthearted manner, the polar OPPOSITE of real AtE. You don't see people saying "we're fucked" and saying it as an emotional outcry. Maybe there's dread in it, but most commonly, it's an expression of that lighthearted "we're doomed", and nothing more. Which, you know, is self-evident. Because let's see the context of the fuck-bomb dropped:
There's humor in there. HUMOR. Not emotion. Humorously declaring that if we can't tell the difference, WE are fucked. Not him, WE. There's rules when it comes to cursing. There's a whole language, a whole fucking language, designating what a curse word means and the context behind a curse word. A curse word can add humor, it can add vulgarity, or it can add drama. This one was the former two, but not the latter one, and the drama is what cursing as AtE actually is.when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
Oh and four: mentioning a Scummy nomination is not ranting. It's bragging. You're not doing AtE if you're bragging. Pride isn't an emotional outcry. Ranting, based on anger, would be. But there's not so much as a fucking HINT of anger in the post. It's empty. Hollow. Shallow. Which brings me to...
Five: That request to be wagoned? Yeah that was bullshit.
If TheRealGin-N-Tonic actually wanted to be wagoned, know what he'd do? He'd self-vote the moment votes were valid. He'd go on a crusade to get wagoned. He'd point out how he was serious, and he'd make it a big deal. Do you know what we got from him instead?
This. That's it. Nothing more on the subject at all. It's as if...oh yeah. The original request was empty and hollow, because TheRealGin-N-Tonic wasn't actually interested in wagoning himself. He just said something which looked good, but when analyzed, had nothing actually good backing it.In post 275, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Also I asked for a flashwagon on me and then people vote you so like, what gives?
Now fuck off about your bullshit definition of AtE because TheRealGin-N-Tonic's post there was about as far away from AtE as you can get.
Oh gee, it's almost as if I EXPLAINED this already! It's not like I haven't clarified this ten times already.even assuming Pine didn't RNG his picks, how would you know whether he tried to WIFOM the playerlist with his picks or not if you were town?
But since you apparently weren't listening those nine other times, let me educate you on the subject.
There's a binary choice here. BINARY. Either it is, or it isn't.
Pine either made wifom picks, or he did not.
Now, no matter which he choice, there's the wifom game. We have to ask: did he make optimal choices, or did he try to throw us off?
Yet everyone is crying wifom to this whole process. They insist that because we can't determine which he decided to go for, the process of trying is therefore useless.
If people assume that Pine's picks cannot be reliably determined, then Pine has no incentive to make wifomy picks because nobody will believe he would make those blatant choices because people will cry wifom to the idea.
As a result, Pine is going to make the choices that are most optimal: he's not going to choose players for wifom. He's going to choose the players he thinks will make the best team. As a result, his choices can be figured out, if people stop being morons and crying out wifom to the idea.
It's like nightkill analysis.
Scum have the power to kill a player who blatantly points to the scum via NKA, or making a wifom kill to misdirect the town.
People will assume that because of the latter, NKA is therefore useless.
As a result of people discarding NKA, scum can make the nightkill on a player who blatantly points to who the scum are via NKA...
...Because the town will write it off as wifom.
When, newsflash. Scumteams don't actually kill players off of wifom. It's stupid, because nobody actually does NKA. So when a scumteam kills a player off of wifom, they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Same exact principle applies here.
Pine had the power to select a team which was blatant via basic Pine knowledge. (And keep in mind I have FAR FUCKING MORE than just basic Pine knowledge.) Alternatively, Pine had the option of making wifom picks for the scumteam, to misdirect the town.
People will assume that because of the latter, Pine's picks are therefore meaningless.
As a result of people discarding Pine's picks, he could make whatever the fuck he wanted to in terms of picks, no matter how blatantly obvious the picks would be...
...Because the town will write it off as wifom.
It's really not that fucking hard to understand.
-First off, the cursing thing. If someone is cursing constantly then yeah it's not AtE. But look at Gin's ISO. He is very very restrained, and is only cursing when talking to people who are pushing him (with the exception of one early shitpost). It looks like legitimiate anger and not just someone who curses all the time. For that specific post, I'm not seeing the humor in saying that if you can't tell the difference between his town and scum games, you're fucked. Out of your three definitions, it looked like anger to me (especially combined with his other posting), which would be drama.
Bragging IS an appeal to emotion imo. By saying "oh I'm such a good player I would never get wagoned as scum and I have a scummy to prove it", he's basically trying to make the people pushing him think twice. Which would be a scumtell if it weren't for the other factors.
The call for a wagon on himself was maybe bullshit, but it looks like something pissed off town would say, given how early it is. I did something similar as frustrated town in Shadowrun.
Your whole last bit is wrong because of what you're arguing over: WIFOM. Maybe yeah Pine predicted that people would be paranoid and then make "optimal picks" for his team. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict that (like you've been doing) and then make WIFOMy picks instead. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict THAT and went with the optimal picks instead.
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In post 651, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
I concur with every statement Mastin said about my emotions.In post 648, SirCakez wrote:
I read Ttyll and you were much more...uptight that game so I'm hopeful you're legit here.In post 624, drealmerz7 wrote:
at they are least in this gameIn post 622, SirCakez wrote:I TR dreal for his shitposting and tone
Generally those things get him scumread but they're town tells for him
gotta switch it up!
oh god this wallIn post 643, mastina wrote:
Okay. One: cursing is not a sign of AtE. You can fucking curse all damn day and not have a lick of emotion behind it. Two, there was only one curse word in there. And three, said curse word? Not even used in a manner that is ever emotional.In post 589, SirCakez wrote:This is definitely AtE. He's cursing, asking to be wagoned, mentioning a scummy award.
You NEVER say "fucked" when you're emotional.
Sure, you can say fucking as an emotion.
Sure, you can say fuck as an emotion. (Fuck you, for instance.)
But fucked? No. Fucked is used in either two connotations: the literal sense of fornication, or the metaphorical sense of being screwed. "I'm fucked". "You're fucked". And those terms? Usually used in a lighthearted manner, the polar OPPOSITE of real AtE. You don't see people saying "we're fucked" and saying it as an emotional outcry. Maybe there's dread in it, but most commonly, it's an expression of that lighthearted "we're doomed", and nothing more. Which, you know, is self-evident. Because let's see the context of the fuck-bomb dropped:
There's humor in there. HUMOR. Not emotion. Humorously declaring that if we can't tell the difference, WE are fucked. Not him, WE. There's rules when it comes to cursing. There's a whole language, a whole fucking language, designating what a curse word means and the context behind a curse word. A curse word can add humor, it can add vulgarity, or it can add drama. This one was the former two, but not the latter one, and the drama is what cursing as AtE actually is.when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
Oh and four: mentioning a Scummy nomination is not ranting. It's bragging. You're not doing AtE if you're bragging. Pride isn't an emotional outcry. Ranting, based on anger, would be. But there's not so much as a fucking HINT of anger in the post. It's empty. Hollow. Shallow. Which brings me to...
Five: That request to be wagoned? Yeah that was bullshit.
If TheRealGin-N-Tonic actually wanted to be wagoned, know what he'd do? He'd self-vote the moment votes were valid. He'd go on a crusade to get wagoned. He'd point out how he was serious, and he'd make it a big deal. Do you know what we got from him instead?
This. That's it. Nothing more on the subject at all. It's as if...oh yeah. The original request was empty and hollow, because TheRealGin-N-Tonic wasn't actually interested in wagoning himself. He just said something which looked good, but when analyzed, had nothing actually good backing it.In post 275, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Also I asked for a flashwagon on me and then people vote you so like, what gives?
Now fuck off about your bullshit definition of AtE because TheRealGin-N-Tonic's post there was about as far away from AtE as you can get.
Oh gee, it's almost as if I EXPLAINED this already! It's not like I haven't clarified this ten times already.even assuming Pine didn't RNG his picks, how would you know whether he tried to WIFOM the playerlist with his picks or not if you were town?
But since you apparently weren't listening those nine other times, let me educate you on the subject.
There's a binary choice here. BINARY. Either it is, or it isn't.
Pine either made wifom picks, or he did not.
Now, no matter which he choice, there's the wifom game. We have to ask: did he make optimal choices, or did he try to throw us off?
Yet everyone is crying wifom to this whole process. They insist that because we can't determine which he decided to go for, the process of trying is therefore useless.
If people assume that Pine's picks cannot be reliably determined, then Pine has no incentive to make wifomy picks because nobody will believe he would make those blatant choices because people will cry wifom to the idea.
As a result, Pine is going to make the choices that are most optimal: he's not going to choose players for wifom. He's going to choose the players he thinks will make the best team. As a result, his choices can be figured out, if people stop being morons and crying out wifom to the idea.
It's like nightkill analysis.
Scum have the power to kill a player who blatantly points to the scum via NKA, or making a wifom kill to misdirect the town.
People will assume that because of the latter, NKA is therefore useless.
As a result of people discarding NKA, scum can make the nightkill on a player who blatantly points to who the scum are via NKA...
...Because the town will write it off as wifom.
When, newsflash. Scumteams don't actually kill players off of wifom. It's stupid, because nobody actually does NKA. So when a scumteam kills a player off of wifom, they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Same exact principle applies here.
Pine had the power to select a team which was blatant via basic Pine knowledge. (And keep in mind I have FAR FUCKING MORE than just basic Pine knowledge.) Alternatively, Pine had the option of making wifom picks for the scumteam, to misdirect the town.
People will assume that because of the latter, Pine's picks are therefore meaningless.
As a result of people discarding Pine's picks, he could make whatever the fuck he wanted to in terms of picks, no matter how blatantly obvious the picks would be...
...Because the town will write it off as wifom.
It's really not that fucking hard to understand.
-First off, the cursing thing. If someone is cursing constantly then yeah it's not AtE. But look at Gin's ISO. He is very very restrained, and is only cursing when talking to people who are pushing him (with the exception of one early shitpost). It looks like legitimiate anger and not just someone who curses all the time. For that specific post, I'm not seeing the humor in saying that if you can't tell the difference between his town and scum games, you're fucked. Out of your three definitions, it looked like anger to me (especially combined with his other posting), which would be drama.
Bragging IS an appeal to emotion imo. By saying "oh I'm such a good player I would never get wagoned as scum and I have a scummy to prove it", he's basically trying to make the people pushing him think twice. Which would be a scumtell if it weren't for the other factors.
The call for a wagon on himself was maybe bullshit, but it looks like something pissed off town would say, given how early it is. I did something similar as frustrated town in Shadowrun.
Your whole last bit is wrong because of what you're arguing over: WIFOM. Maybe yeah Pine predicted that people would be paranoid and then make "optimal picks" for his team. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict that (like you've been doing) and then make WIFOMy picks instead. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict THAT and went with the optimal picks instead.
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....we're going in circlesIn post 656, mastina wrote:
...And given this endless cycle which town players have no way of thinking about...In post 648, SirCakez wrote:Maybe yeah Pine predicted that people would be paranoid and then make "optimal picks" for his team. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict that (like you've been doing) and then make WIFOMy picks instead. But then maybe he predicted that people would predict THAT and went with the optimal picks instead.
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...Pine goes with the most obvious picks because it's what serves him best. It's what gives him the strongest team.
And I know this because I fucking know Pine. He's not going to waste the potential of this game on some random shitty picks. He's going to stack his team as much as he can possibly stack his team.
I'm saying ignore wifom.
Ignore the possibility of Pine choosing wifom picks.
And just go with what makes the most sense for Pine to pick.
DISCARDING WIFOM ENTIRELY. Who does Pine pick?
And that's what I'm saying we should do, because yes Pine doesn't give a damn about being blatantly obvious with scumpicks.
I did address your posts earlier, they suckIn post 658, Fate wrote:SirCakez not addressing any of my posts since he wrote me off as scum?
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This post is so awful lolIn post 711, Fate wrote:Ok so who are the TOWN on my wagon?
Scum keep piling on
Need some level headed townies to chime in
Tammy replacing out fucks the balance of competent townies a lot.
I might have to work with Nacho scum at this rate
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This is still going in circles. I disagree with you and that's probably not going to change.In post 738, mastina wrote:
Yes, and it's a closed circle, comprised of two binaries:In post 678, SirCakez wrote:....we're going in circles
Pine either made wifom picks, or optimal picks. Binary number one.
We can either choose to enter the wifom game and try to figure out the above, or we can ignore the wifom game altogether. Binary number two.
If we enter the wifom game and try to figure out the first binary, I am telling you that Pine made the optimal picks.
If we choose to ignore the wifom game altogether, then I am telling you to assume Pine made the optimal picks, because that's what fucking ignoring the wifom game entails.
You can't go "but Pine could have picked the wifom picks!" without entering into the wifom game.
Ignoring the wifom game is therefore assuming...Pine picked the optimal picks.
But if you choose to enter into the wifom game...I am telling you the answer is Pine picked the optimal picks rather than the wifom picks.
So regardless of whether you enter into the wifom game, or whether you ignore the wifom game...the answer here is to assume...Pine picked the optimal choices.
Really not that hard to understand.
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A good question! WhenIn post 736, SirCakez wrote:When did mastina start townreading Nacho Gin?didI start townreading Nacho? I'd love to hear the class's thoughts on this!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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my tl;dr of the last few pages is Nacho is now a townlean and mastin backing off nacho while still scumreading him is another scumtellBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Mastina telling me to fuck off also sucks
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Translation plsIn post 846, Fate wrote:Sir cake atanve on scumbear nowBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Oh mb
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TownIn post 861, Fate wrote:
STANCE*In post 849, SirCakez wrote:
Translation plsIn post 846, Fate wrote:Sir cake atanve on scumbear now
whats your READ
none of this scum horesshit "oh I dont vote who you want whoop hoop de shwoop"
Ok then, enjoy your "townblock" covenIn post 864, mastina wrote:
It is specifically because I am townreading you that I am telling you to fuck off.In post 843, SirCakez wrote:Mastina telling me to fuck off also sucks
Especially since she's supposedly town reading me.
Your play would be FAR less infuriating if you were just actually scum but because you're not, I'm stuck dealing with your bullshit.
drealmerz's pushes are entertaining. Wrong, but entertaining. I enjoy engaging drealmerz, especially since the points drealmerz raises aren't actually bad ones; they can hold some level of validity.
That's utterly absent from you, so once again I say it as explicitly as possible:
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Town: Dreal, Vax, Mono, Nacho
Nulltown: Prism, Gin
Null: Aristo/PK, Jin, BTD6 (one of these three is scum if one of my scumreads isn't)
Nullscum: Aero
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What I'm gaining is this is going in circles and Nacho and you aren't going to be convinced Mono is townBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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What Mono argument do you find compelling?In post 959, SirCakez wrote:What I'm gaining is this is going in circles and Nacho and you aren't going to be convinced Mono is town
Let's talk about it!In post 962, Nachomamma8 wrote:Or, alternatively, can you tell me how Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer?
I've been skimming honestly, it all started blending togetherIn post 963, Nachomamma8 wrote:Or, alternatively, can you tell me with a straight face that Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine?
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Yes I understand that, I mean I have no idea what he's referring to by " Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine" or "Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer".In post 970, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Nacho is asking you how town!Mono would ask those questions or accuse Fate of what Mono accused Fate of doing, in regards to the questions he listed. (I think I read that right)Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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How steadfast they have been on their reads and I liked how the way they interacted with me even though they're scumreading me.In post 976, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why are you townreading Mono?In post 964, SirCakez wrote:I've been skimming honestly, it all started blending together
A concise explanation of your read on Mono would be awesome
I was skimming because I felt like it was going in circles, thus my confusionIn post 977, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Are you doing a thing called reading? If so follow up, the thread?In post 975, SirCakez wrote:
Yes I understand that, I mean I have no idea what he's referring to by " Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine" or "Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer".In post 970, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Nacho is asking you how town!Mono would ask those questions or accuse Fate of what Mono accused Fate of doing, in regards to the questions he listed. (I think I read that right)
Mono's argument sounds reasonable to me but I didn't see the interactions.In post 978, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 975, SirCakez wrote:Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine
The crux of Mono's argument here seems to be that Fate questioning Pine and then criticizing Gin for interacting with Pine is ridiculous. I think this is a uncharacteristically shallow observation because of the difference in scale between Fate's interaction with Pine and Gin's interaction with Pine.In post 909, Monokuma wrote:Still can't over the fact that he interacted Pine by directing a question right at him, then never followed up on it, then ignored us after repeated attempts to get him to explain it, then threw shade at Gin for interacting with Pine.
I'm just going to reread.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I meant when Mono was talking to me about Mastin but it was like 2 posts and for some reason I thought it was more. So that can go out the window.
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Oh now I remember what I was thinking of. I liked that Mono saw the same things I did about Mastina backing off of Nacho super suddenly and Fate voting wherever, including with his top scumread. Not really an interaction with me but similar thinking.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Ok my aunt just arrived for a visit so I'll have to do my reread tomorrow, sorry!Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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This is pretty convincing, but then I'll have too many scumreads.In post 998, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.
It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.
Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.
Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.
I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I also like BTD6's analysis of Mastina's WIFOM/Optimal wallpost.
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So I started reading from when Nacho initially voted Mono and I'm not seeing anyone give reasons for them being scum other then "bad posts" (which is a cruddy reason) and their scumread on Fate not being good (which could be argued).
Ok now I see it. Yeah Monokuma's reason for voting Fate is pretty bad, but they're still voting in the right place. Mono having one crappy reason for a scumread is not enough to kill my townread there.
And now I'm getting into the meat of the argument and it's reminding me of myself when I sometimes get into really long-winded and stupid arguments over tiny details like how much interaction someone had with scum.
/fin
I also saw mastina's 832 (where she said she "didn't want to" explain her Aero scumread which is total bull) which solidifies my scumread further
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That's why she needs to go today. Attitudes like that are precisely why it's being such a struggle to get votes on her.
It's not that I'm unwilling to vote, it's that I don't want to move off Mastin.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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That makes no sense
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No, it will be harder to lynch someone who is constantly posting walls and is rather active then a lurker who is pretty consistently lynched as scumIn post 1014, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Are you saying it's harder to vote someone that's been acting scummy and has a good case on why they are scum over someone who has been showing town throughout the thread?
Ari will be very easy to lynch if he's scum, mastin will be very difficultIn post 1015, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts
Oh would ya look at that, Ari is posting elsewhere and not on the thread bearing more proof that he's fulfilling his scum meta.
What more do you seriously need?
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How is saying I'd rather vote a scumread who will be incredibly difficult to lynch at this rate over a lurker who lynches himself every other game defending him? Now you're just misrepping.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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When did Ari become confscum?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Very scummy =/= confscum. I thought there was something I missed that made him confscum.In post 1031, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:When he went multiple days without posting actual content; on the days he wasn't V/LA.
Normally a meta read isn't the only tool to use on a player but Ari is one of those exceptions and this becomes apparently true as Ari admits it.
Now I'm waiting because I didn't honestly suspect a post from him.Like what? You just called him confscum and then unvoted on the same page. Where's the conviction?
And this reaction is pretty awful.Fate wrote:I think my interaction with Monokuma reveals just how much they are reaching for reasons that I'm scum and twisting things.
Nacho has laid that out pretty clearly and so have I.
What the fuck 4-5 pages are Y OU reading Prism?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I'm not discrediting you, I was confused why you would call someone conf!scum and unvote someone on the same page.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Gin why the Fate townread?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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First bit is pretty shaky considering Mastina is scumIn post 1157, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:My town read from Fate comes from the fact that both Mastin and Nacho thinks he's town and the attacks on him were subpar.
My logic comes from that Nacho, Fate, Mastin can't all be scum and of course I'm town reading that bloc but nonetheless, if anyone of them are town, I trust in their say on the other two because they have history with each other. If both Mastin and nacho think he's town, I'm willing to concur.
Also the attacks on him, I've never agreed with and thought were weak arguments that were shot down. That being the only 'scummy' thing the slot did, I have no reason to see them in the scumlight if there is no other scumminess to go around.
What attacks were sub-par on Fate? I thought they were pretty strong.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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That Fate is just throwing votes wherever he can in order to try to get attention away from himself and buddy people? What's painful about that?
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Aero I went back and reread the game and then gave my opinion to try to shut down the bad Monokuma wagon. That's most certainly not doing nothing.
Try harder to throw shade.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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lol this is total bull and anyone who's been reading the game would know thatIn post 1195, Aeronaut wrote:
Yeah, but you spent most of the day doing fuck all, and that's my issue. Generally I always find that people that spend the whole time complaining about how the game is either too long or too noisy or too hard to get anything from aren't trying that hard and are probably scum to begin with.In post 1187, SirCakez wrote:Aero I went back and reread the game and then gave my opinion to try to shut down the bad Monokuma wagon. That's most certainly not doing nothing.
Try harder to throw shade.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Monokuma would you vote mastina?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Lol he's not even trying to hide itIn post 1229, Fate wrote:prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic
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