Mini 1880: Witch Trials Mafia - Game over!

[XnadrojX]

VOTE: XnadrojX
Oh shit I'm a witch.

VOTE: steal
Scum trying to keep and SR on a claimed masonizer, coming up with crappy reasons and AtE before downgrading to "he said confirm that's a lie"

[XnadrojX]

VOTE: dreal

[XnadrojX]

[quote="In post 242, Shaziro"]Ah, I didn't realize you were on Pine. Personally, I think Pine is a good guy, but I won't begrudge you your vote because I'm by no means sure.

I think I'm the one who brought up selfvoting to bypass paranoia voting. I just think it's scummy of him to try and slip it past as a "joke" and hope it got ignored.[/quote

I didn't hope for it to be ignored. How am i even supposed to expect people to ignore it when the vote is highlighted in white.

How is it scummy to paranoia vote yourself? As far as I can see it's a NAI move to not want to lose your vote. I mean, both factions all want their votes don't they?

I'm going to quote a a bunch of Dreamerealz posts and see if he can still say I'm misrepping. In fact misrepping grey is one of his crimes.

[XnadrojX]

Meta and gut are all bad reasons to read a guy.

So all these votes on me are for A. Paranoiaing myself, B. Making a joke about voting myself(heck, even the joke hints at paranoia) C. Voting dreal.

A.Not scummy as mentioned above. B. It wasn't even like a joke meant to deflect shit C. Which is why I'm going to go through his ISO now.

Now that I got THAT off my chest(needed to) I'm going to ISO and quote a whole bunch of scummy things.

PEdit: I don't need no instructions to act town. And "Oh no I'm a witch" even hints that "I'm so paranoid I suspect myself" kinda thing.
Also I see how you find isomorphic scummy but can you provide a little more detail? Like in quotes and stuff and maybe I'll join your wagon.

[XnadrojX]

I voted for you

you acted like a cry baby

you disparaged town

you whined a lot more like a baby

you called me an idiot

you called me an asshole

He wasn't whining, he wasn't crying, and being an asshole is part of mafia. It's NAI and you're using it as a case.

it's not an excuse to stay on you

it's showing that you have a poor conception of the role yourself if you think you get confirmed on D2

I am educated...please...educate me further how that is actual confirmation of anything

It's not scummy to use confirmation interchangeably like that, "as good as confirmed" is still not confirmed but the choice of words don't matter.

are you saying scum could fake claim masonizer or...?

I'M SAYING IT'S NOT CONFIRMATION

assume does not mean confirm

one may assume your claim is correct come tomorrow

but you are no where near confirmed

Still clinging.

I understand all of that

my issue is with the word "confirmation"

you're STILL not confirmed

safe assumption, most likely, yes, but, not confirmed

words matter

No they don't. And you're still clinging.

"he said confirm that's a lie"

that's a nice misrep you've got there

the rest of it is just wrong

what do you make of the premature claim of such a role?

Clinging on to his choice of words as scummy, as I said up there, is what you did. That is NOT a misrepping.

PEdit 1: "Oh shit I'm a witch" rings more to me like an obvious claim that I'm paranoid of myself rather than trying to skim under the radar, like I don't know about you but it does to me.

PEdit 2: Firstly, I attacked two reads, secondly, they had no credit anyways. I can give you AT LEAST two users who in their sigs say that meta/gut is bad basis for reads. You're trying to divert attention to me. It wasn't opportunistic sneaking more like "can you make a better attack on this guy" kind of sorting.

[XnadrojX]

I see why you think. It's not a scumtell to ask for your specific reasons. If ever I go "vote isomorphic because what shaziro said" then quote this post and I'll self lynch.

[XnadrojX]

Just realised Isomorphic is Ali+keyen.

I'm pretty sure Ali knows how I play,

when you come one unlynch me

but I have no idea how keyen plays. Can you link me a few games grey?, And his most recent ones, I got lynched a lot d1 in my early games so I don't think it's reasonable to link non recent games.

[XnadrojX]

I love how Vecna's reads list involves calling everyone a lurker/scum.

[XnadrojX]

BlueBloodedToffee has a sig saying meta is bad, Flames682 has a sig saying gut is bad. If I had more than 300 sig characters I'd shove both of those in mine.

All Alone: Because people are disagreeing AF with dreal lynch and the only other wagon here is on Isomorphic who I will join if Shaziro convinces me he's scum because my heart just isn't on Isomorphic lynch yet.

[XnadrojX]

Why did you not feel this desire to ISO and quote a whole bunch of scummy things before? Did your scum sensitivities get their feathers ruffled?

I saw an accusation and I don't want to accuse someone of witchcraft without dealing with the accusation

[XnadrojX]

I also think 310 is opportunistic as hell. I don't really feel like nadroj is trying to figure out why drealmerz got into a semantics argument with -Grey-, so much as he's just voting drealmerz for getting into a semantics argument.

Dreamerz accused grey of being scum.
Grey claimed masonizer and said he can confirm himself.
Dreamerz said he can't.
Grey said he can by masonizing.
Dreamerz said that's not the same as a confirm.
Grey said it's good enough.
Dreamerz attacks grey for wrong choice of words.

Tell me how the fuck did you arrive at the conclusion that i was opportunistically voting dreamerz, half the town is TRing them!
If you want to talk opportunistic look at your own vote on me.

[XnadrojX]

I love how Vecna's reads list involves calling everyone a lurker/scum.

Zomg he must be scumz!

Him or me?

[XnadrojX]

You still haven't said anything about why you're voting me.

PEdit: it wasn't shading it was a statement of fact

[XnadrojX]

VOTE: All Alone
I have decided scumread this slot harder

[XnadrojX]

I just realised, how does grey get Mafia Scum title and join date is Nov 26 2016

[XnadrojX]

First of all, all the votes on me are backed by either scumtell which I already dismantled, no reason at all, or bullshit reason.
Grey: You said jack shit about me bar you scumread me.
Isomorphic: you've said jack shit either, and bullshit scumtell which I've already destroyed.
All Alone: BS opportunistic fuck.

And shadowwez also has said jack shit about his reads on me.

SlySly is town

All Alone should get more attention.

[XnadrojX]

My wagon has Grey who I TR but absolutely disagree with his vote on me. He has said jack shit about me except that I am scum. No reasoning at all.

ISO WAS on my wagon but I'm including him because he has said jack shit as well. He called me discrediting and i refuted that. He said I'm opportunistic and I already refuted that. To recap, I called the two andrius read BS because gut and meta sucks. He said I'm opportunistically going to sneak on his wagon, while I can't prove that I'm not, I've already made a post saying that if I ever go "^ what Shaziro siad" I will self lynch.

All Alone called me opportunistic on you, the three votes on you were Grey's vote, a RVS vote and some BS. You were even losing traction. He then used that crappy excuse to jump on my wagon, which traction was at its peak, making HIM the opportunitistic one here. And shadowwez basically went "mudkip scum, game solved".

Out of all this All Alone has the most AI reason, for scum.

[XnadrojX]

It's 24 pages in day 1, with a lot of time to DL, in pretty sure that we can create reads without referring to Strahd.

[XnadrojX]

I'm going to ignore any reads based on strahd

[XnadrojX]

Point being that i meant for it to fly under the radar? Ive gone through all of this but I guess I can see how you scumread me.

But back to more important things, don't you find AAs vote on me opportunistic as fuck?

[XnadrojX]

I think you wanted people not to notice that you selfvoted to get your paranoia vote somewhere that it wouldn't matter, which is why you framed it as a joke by saying "Oh no I'm a witch". That is what I found scummy, not the action of voting yourself, but the way you framed it. That said, while you -might- be scum still, that scumping is -way- below Isometric's scumminess, so you're off the hook for now. Town it up and you'll stay off!

I don't need no instructions to act town. And "Oh no I'm a witch" even hints that "I'm so paranoid I suspect myself" kinda thing.
Also I see how you find isomorphic scummy but can you provide a little more detail? Like in quotes and stuff and maybe I'll join your wagon.

I don't like the way nadroj responds to Shaziro's "Town it up and you'll stay off" by offering to join the Isomorphic wagon. I feel like he threw that in to try and stay on Shaziro's good side, rather than out of any genuine suspicion of Isomorphic.

I also think 310 is opportunistic as hell. I don't really feel like nadroj is trying to figure out

why

drealmerz got into a semantics argument with -Grey-, so much as he's just voting drealmerz for getting into a semantics argument.

VOTE: XnadrojX

You suspected me?
Nice BS

You said nothing about traction?
"Opportunistic as hell"

Offer to join the wagon?
That's just misrepping my request for content.

Dreal wasn't genuine?
Did you like, miss my quote wall?

I'm just trying to discredit you?
Where's the credit in the first place?


Well you might now make scumposts within content posts but it's my choice what to do with my posts.

I have added more posts than someone like Andrius and shadowwez and I don't see YOU questioning THEIR reads.

How the fuck do you make a first aid kit out of wood!?!???

[XnadrojX]

Might not*

[XnadrojX]

There's no fucking way you can fucking build a first aid kit out of wood.

/EndObligatoryFiller

This is me being retarded

[XnadrojX]

His posts spew town.

[XnadrojX]

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

I've seen at least 2 things blatantly different from Andrius so far.

OK, what are they?

Try this experiment...

1. iso Andrius
2. keep in mind I have called Andrius scum and said I've spotted it
3. search his iso for Sly

When I'm in a game with Andrius and Pine and Andrius summons team Strahd, if I'm not mentioned then, nor in his wall post after me calling him scum and voting him, that's different than Strahd(

and other games

).

Which reads of yours are controversial?

Not paying attention to the game, are we?

I'm not either! Does that mean I'm scum?

Scum don't have to read. It's a factor.

Then sell me on it because I don't believe you.

At least one of your heads is pinging my scumdar a little so I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm not giving up my reads on Andrius so easily, he's a tricky one. My reads are stronger than your gut. I have a lot of recent history with Andrius.

Ignoring Strahd based shit, these are not posts fabricated by scum. Scum Motive: get any dude lynched. Town Motive: get scummy dude lynched. This guy doesn't play the way the average scum plays.

[XnadrojX]

Unless he has some look-town-as-scun legendary technique, I doubt the colour of his role PM is red.

[XnadrojX]

>Desperado is still on Pine.

Looking at andrius' counter point, I think he's right actually. SlySly still feels town but maybe less solid than before.

Stop ignoring AA, he's scum.

[XnadrojX]

Nah you're the one with the read on me. You're the one supposed to prove: why that isn't what you meant and what you really meant?, Explain why my quote wall doesn't point to AI things?, Explain where's the credit?, And explain why you ain't questioning their reads?

The onus is on you to prove your case is right, not me to prove it wrong.

[XnadrojX]

Nah you're the one with the read on me. You're the one supposed to prove: why that isn't what you meant and what you really meant?, Explain why my quote wall doesn't point to AI things?, Explain where's the credit?, And explain why you ain't questioning their reads?

The onus is on you to prove your case is right, not me to prove it wrong.

complaining about proof on D1 is scummy. townies usually recognize that there's not a whole lot you can prove on D1. whereas scums are much more likely to be all "well that doesn't PROVE I'm scum"

anyways

1. "exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstances without reference to a general plan or moral principle"
2. all your wall proves is that drealmerz is a linguistic prescriptivist, which isn't AI
3. is that a serious question? really? you're asking where's the credit, and that's a thing you seriously expect to be answered? what am I, fuckin' MasterCard?
4. I don't care about sorting shaddowez or whoever else you were asking about right now

Then don't read me if you can't build a backed case.

1. AKA Opportunistic. You accused me of being opportunistic on ISO which I've already announced I will self lynch if I go "what Shaziro said". And you? You joined my wagon when it hit its peak. You were "exploiting chances offered by immediate circumstance"(my wagon's traction)

2.All my wall proves is that dreals at that point was clinging on to a scumread with a bad reason.

3. Nice sidestep

4. Nice avoidance of topic

[XnadrojX]

i realize you guys keep getting distracted by shiny things

but how about an all alone wagon?

the fake confidence in 746 is palpable

You know what happens when you make a lazy push backed up by shit reasons?

You know what happens?

DESPERADO,

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But you are the one with shit reasins

[XnadrojX]

There are so many things wrong with 777.

There is a rephrasement of the word "opportunistic", here there's lazy scum trying to avoid putting up a proper attack.

There is an incredible misrep about my case on dreals

He sidestepped the question where he was supposed to point to where he had credit, because he had none to point to.

And he just avoided sorting everyone using confbiasing me as an excuse.

Here lies the scum, trying to use me as mislynchbait and trying to avoid sorting people by pretending to be confbiasing me. With nicely BSed reasons and wordy sidesteps, he has made a nicely sized post that looks like a proper case but it's full of BS.
While ISo is getting wagoned by flailing, here All Alone is getting ignored because apparently sidestepping, BSing, avoiding reading, feigning confbiasing as an excuse not to read, and saying that hes not supposed to prove a case day 1 despite me being perfectly capable of dismantling his case with proper reasons.

[XnadrojX]

There are so many things wrong with 777.

There is a rephrasement of the word "opportunistic", here there's lazy scum trying to avoid putting up a proper attack.

There is an incredible misrep about my case on dreals

He sidestepped the question where he was supposed to point to where he had credit, because he had none to point to.

And he just avoided sorting everyone using confbiasing me as an excuse.

Here lies the scum, trying to use me as mislynchbait and trying to avoid sorting people by pretending to be confbiasing me. With nicely BSed reasons and wordy sidesteps, he has made a nicely sized post that looks like a proper case but it's full of BS.
While ISo is getting wagoned by flailing, here All Alone is getting ignored because apparently sidestepping, BSing, avoiding reading, feigning confbiasing as an excuse not to read, and saying that hes not supposed to prove a case day 1 despite me being perfectly capable of dismantling his case with proper reasons isn't as scummy as flailing

EBWOP

[XnadrojX]

Can you make a car to drive out of town? /EndObligatoryFiller

Alpha Wolf (AKA ThinkBig (I will always remember ThinkBig as the dude who siteflaked as a newbie)) doesn't strike me as scum.

Grey vote was bad, you ain't helping the noble cause of hanging the witch All Alone.

I'm waiting for All Alines defence so I can poke more holes so this is basically my prod dodge

[XnadrojX]

"doesnt strike me as scum" != "town"

[XnadrojX]

Alpha Wolf (AKA ThinkBig (I will always remember ThinkBig as the dude who siteflaked as a newbie)) doesn't strike me as scum.

Where did you get the "not scum" feels in his six posts?

Spoiler: AW Posts

Hey all. I will get on the game tomorrow. Thank you to the mod for the hard work he has put in this game and for allowing me to replace in.

[uv[/uv]

Until I catch up.

I hate phone posting.

UNVOTE:

Would someone please be kind enough to give me a brief summary of the game so far and the leading wagons?

Do you want my claim as well?

No. We're not massclaiming.
You no longer have a wagon on you and I am very interested to see what you do.

Sounds good. I saw there was a wagon on my slot earlier and wasn't sure if you wanted a claim.

I'll be on this tomorrow.

Fucking alt slip.

Note to self: don't use same skin on alt accounts.

Andy y would you point crummy outie?
isn't that anti-towny?
Or are you a pretty princess who just don't care.

pedit: THANKS OBAMA! WAIT, THAT'S NOT OBAMA.

DAYVIG: THE WOLF THAT SHOULD REALLY BE OBAMA

I'm the real day vig around here!

DAYVIG: Isomorphic

All I'm seeing is null null null null null null

Pathological null posting doesn't look like town to me.

I get the feel that he's not scum because he hasn't done anything AI.
duh

[XnadrojX]

How do you deduce he's scum if he's not producing alignment indicative?
That's like you saying everyone null is scum

[XnadrojX]

How do you deduce he's scum if he's not producing alignment indicative?
That's like you saying everyone null is scum

Town would not be going out of there way to nullpost.

Only scum has reason to do that.

Then it turns to what is known as shitposting which is STILL NAI.

You can't tell me that making NAI posts is scummy. That's like, contradictory.

[XnadrojX]

You want All Alone dead.

[XnadrojX]

Exactly. He's innocent until proven guilty. It's how the court works and it's how finding witches should work. Until he produces something evidently scummy, we leave the slot alone.
Now get your vote on the juicy scum AA

[XnadrojX]

Well, it seems that I misread AA. Whoops.

On another note, what the fuck grey. Why the fuck will you lolhammer. We had a few more days to discuss and wait for AA to respond. I cannot see your town motivation in that and my read on you just went 180.
Also I see TB replacing his alt.
And I see Vecna's fakeclaim drew the kill. Great.

Alpha Wolf/TB hasn't done anything AI.

Shadowwez is scummy though(just came in threw shade on a bunch of people and left)

Right now I think I'm going to wait for shadowwez to come out so I can decide between him and grey

[XnadrojX]

Grey if you flip town then that was a bad claim.
VOTE: Grey

[XnadrojX]

VOTE: SlySly
This few pages has 180ed drealmerz and SlySly.
ISO+SlySly is a possibility now.
They're both being fucking anti town, ganging on drealmerz. Heck this drealmerz attention came outta no where. It's frankly NOT town. We have 2 people refusing to interact and insisting that someone is not worth playing with when he's not. Scum do that when they can't handle pressure. This is what SlySly is doing (with support from ISO). He's even using personal insults and being incredibly toxic. How the fuck does andrius see that as NAI, it's fucking anti town.

[XnadrojX]

Never mind the andrius bit, skipped page 55 on accident, SlySly did make himself look scummier there though.
Shaziro I would say that Dreal is justified and i don't see how you have a problem with dreal but not SlySly

@Alisae, I haven't had a scumgame completed

yet

:^):^)

PEdit: What if

I'm not town

refuse to interact or respond to you?
Nah I'm calm rn.

[XnadrojX]

Anyways, in response to a whole bunch of shit thrown at me, I'd like to argue that I've produced more convincing cases than some here(ahem) and so there.
Dreal and ISO are both town. Drealz spot is justified and i feel that his reasons are kinda acceptable.
ISO has town recently, must be alisae getting into town game (like I see no keyen there), I didn't really like the meta attack on drealz though (I hate meta).
I dont get how SlySly is allowed to get away with such obnoxious behaviour towards drealz, it's just anti town. Andrius engage with me here and explain your feelings on the reads which you seem to completely disagree with (I e all of them)

[XnadrojX]

Sorry if I haven't been providing content sufficiently for you guys, it's hard not to at passively when your timezone means the time you look at games is when the main discussion is over and few questions are left floating around to answer. Drealz frustration at Sly is feels very town frustration, tbh if I were scum I'd go "fuck you too I ain't interacting with you either" while here it goes "well fuck you interact with me you anti town scrub". And I don't know how Sly is allowed to go on with this anti town behaviour. Ignoring someone and covering himself using Insults is plain anti town. Maybe my point of view is heavily biased to toxicity, but generally I find such behaviour unacceptable.
And also if you accuse me of not providing info, this is the second time I've asked why is Sly townread. You can't accuse of of flying under radar if you're the one not noticing me.

[XnadrojX]

Uh holy shit we all ignored ThinkBig. Is he raging in dead thread I wonder?
VOTE: Desperado

[XnadrojX]

I didn't suddenly realise it. I googled candles in witchcraft after ISO said it and voted you.

[XnadrojX]

Being toxic is a part of Mafia. In fact, dreamerlz is not one of the most toxic players I've seen. I've seen far worse, from both scum and town. Even if he gets toxic, it's no reason to ignore him. Now I haven't read past page 70 because I was not online, so bear with me until I catch up (prolly tmr)

[XnadrojX]

Also note my VLAs are on my timezone (GMT - 8)

[XnadrojX]

ISO and SlySly are strong picks for scum imo,
Dreamerlz is Town, Shaziro is a drunk town trying to outguess the mod on unholy levels.

ISO has just discredited, shit posted, done some shit reads and a few unexplained 180s, used some BS, not what I know of Ali, because keyen is dead.
Meanwhile SlySly is my top contender for scum, being an scummy fuck since day 3, with a lot of BS, unexplained, and what i view as convenient sidestepping. For example, he basically OMGUSed everyone scumreading him without a valid reason, he refused to interact with drealmerz again with no valid reason, and is generally very opportunistic and sidesteppy.

Drealmerz used to be a scumpick but he became better near day 2 and a town read day 3, he was playing validly and his frustration and scum doing their convenient Opportunistic shit sidesteppy bullshit was towny. And he's playing very towny day 4, I don't see why people gang on him and refuse to interact.

Shaziro is mainly based off a early read and general play, but I can see potential scum with ISO. Not willing to vote this now tbh.

Persivil is town based on VCA, I am obviously town as I have access to my role PM.

I would vote SlySly but If no one wants to I can compromise on ISO.

[XnadrojX]

VOTE: SlySly
For now and I'll switch over to ISO if no one joins me

[XnadrojX]

I dont know and I don't want to speculate the number of scum left.
I just happen to have 2 people I really want to lynch.
I'm saying regardless of the number of scum left, those two are the ones that ping my scummest radar the most.

And yes, I read your scum!Drealz post and I'm happy to say that they're bullshit.

I'm voting Sly cuz i scumread him more

[XnadrojX]

ISO is a "this guy is full of scummy bullshit"
While sly is like "omfg this guy has scumminess on unholy levels"

[XnadrojX]

All right. Coming in a moment.

[XnadrojX]

Wowie Clums!
I go to spoiler VCs and you pay me back by putting spoilers iwthin the VCs to make my life hell.
I'm mad at chu -_-
So I'm not gonna bother with it

Tho in all seriousness I think scum is in drealmerz or SlySly looking at VCs, and I think it's Drealmerz > SlySly.
I don't think it's Pers because I don't think he would blatantly vote with Desperado in the RVS phase.

Things to note (about scum!Drealmerz): Drealmerz was on Grey's wagon (put him at L-1 in fact. If people decide to lynch me, lynch drealmerz next because I don't find myself believing that the Grey RVS wagon was all town), Drealmerz's D1 RVS wagon completely goes away, and he jumps on my wagon at a very poor time. He doesn't seem to be interested in anything else after jumping on my wagon as far as D1 is concerned.

@Shaz

since you're here what do you make of the drealmerz hammer on Desperado?

As far as SlySly is concerned when it comes to D1, there really isn't much to it: They sticked to Drealmerz during RVS, attacked Andy for a post I saw as an IC crumb, Jumped on my wagon after it calmed down from L-1 (I find it interesting they have me in the murky middle now), later goes back onto drealmerz, and avoids the All Alone wagon D1.

Also

@Shaz

It's a safe assumption to make that scum were bussing, right?
-Ali

I think this was already dealt with, but RVS wagons form and melt very quickly.

Whatever I want out now.
I can't place the hammer vote in a Lylo situation anyways.
And no, I am not bullshitting you on this.
Scum is in drealmerz because if Shaz knows I'm town I think he would be reluctant to place the first vote on me in the beginning of the day.
VOTE: Drealmerz

Shaz if this doesn't flip scum you can flip me tomorrow.
-Ali

Baseless.

Drealmerz please don't tell me to vote myself that's playing against my wincon thanks
-Ali

But you were threatening to replace out first.

Shaz I highly doubt you're going to get anywhere with drealmerz, let's also add that he's scum as well.
-Ali

Baseless repitition.

But yeah.
There really isn't much to the day now besides getting rid of scum!Drealmerz who for some reason never gets lynched because no one wants to lynch them. Like, ever.
-Ali

Baseless repitition.

A. Desperado's defense on Dreal yesterday. When me and Andy were attacking Drealmerz, Desperado basicly defended him. If Drealmerz was town there, I don't see any specfic reason as to why Desperado would want to defend Drealmerz there, he gets nothing out of if. If Desperado was defending his scumbuddy then it makes sense.

B. L-2 (5) Grey - Andrius, Vecna, ThinkBig, All Alone, drealmerz7
I highly doubt this wagon is all town.

C. Drealmerz's RVS wagon suddenly dissapears.

D. Meta: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69441
Read pages 207 - 210 here. On D3 when Drealmerz actually built a case on me, it he was interested in interacting with me and trying to make me look worse. This is what scum drealmerz does.

More Meta: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849&start=1650
Pages 67 - 70. Town!Drealmerz here isn't interested in engaging me, he just wants me dead.

-Ali

Meta is shit, I've said already. RVS wagons disappear quickly.
So AKA: Baseless repitition.



As shown here, most of your accusations are repitition/baseless and your actual reasons are low in both quantity and quality

[XnadrojX]

If I missed anything quote it to me please

[XnadrojX]

About RVS wagons melting very quickly: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69562
In this game Realeo was a leading RVS wagon which then melted as town counterwgons popped up, which were both on town.
I was about to catch Realeo and his scum buddy off of the first VC.

I don't see how this baseless repretition is scummy like, at all.

Also if you're going to say that meta can be manipulated, okay yeah sure things like "this person never busses as scum" can be manipulated, but approach is a bit harder to manipulate.
Also why are you attacking the weaker points instead of the stronger points?
-Ali

I said if I missed anything quote them to me.
That's all I see in your ISO

[XnadrojX]

I never said baseless repitition is scummy. You asked why your case is shit and i have it to you

[XnadrojX]

not what I know of Ali

Also didn't you just say meta is shit?
-Ali

This is so out of context

[XnadrojX]

The point being RVS wagons have no business not melting quickly if they don't get followed through with a valid reason.
A RVS wagon, even on scum, has no business being taken seriously if there's no point to take it seriously. Remember, no one knows anyone's alignment for sure, only yourself, we are only capable of judging based on actions.

[XnadrojX]

Here's my deal, I TR Iso.

As much as I would prefer to SR drealmz, I'm not completely sold on it.
XanaX is tunneled on me so hard, how could I have any choice to think it's anything other than scum driven? He doesn't strike me as a VI.

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Did anyone ever express thoughts on the mass claim? I wasn't opposed. I think it might help things at this point.

I may be tunnelling, but I've provided more valid reasons to why you're scum and this is a town tunnel than you have on why this is a scum tunnel.
If you don't want to explain why my reasons and tunneling are scum driven instead of town driven, then don't expect people to believe you. Tunnelling itself is not a scumteIl, if I think you're scum I'm not letting you slip through my fingers.
You've done nothing town indicative so far, most of your reads are bad/unexplained and you've been generally scummy.
I bet if someone asked us to go head to head right now I'll provide a case far superior than yours. Heck, you'll probably try to sidestep it somehow even.
I have absolutely no reason to believe you're town aligned, the only way you'd actually want to do these acts is in a scenario when you're scum.
Provide me a case and watch me completely dismantle it, this is a formal challenge.
Sidestep this one and I will tunnel you to hell and back.

PEdit: I completely forgot Paranoia Votes existed. And I believe SlySly is scum. You guys can vote him and watch me not bat an eye. Also, if I vote you my paranoia won't be on you iirc, so if you get lynched, either way the paranoia vote doesn't matter. Hell, voting Sly would be even worse as scum, since I risk your wagon suddenly disappearing in favour of sly and losing my vote.

[XnadrojX]

Lemme go reread paranoia mechanic

[XnadrojX]

if you cast a vote on someone who has not yet been voted for on that Day, it will count as your Paranoia vote. If that person already has a Paranoia vote, yours will go onto the next person you vote that doesn't already have a Paranoia vote.

Yeah, your point is invalid

[XnadrojX]

I'm cool with a massclaim

[XnadrojX]

Now depending on your response it could either mean you're trying to BS away your TR on me or you're genuinely scumhunting.

[XnadrojX]

I'm assuming you retracted your TR on me because I put my paranoia vote on SlySly instead of you because I wanted to not lose my vote.
However, if I cannot put my paranoia vote on you because Shaz's Para vote is already on you. So by putting my paranoia vote on SlySly, I actually put myself at risk of losing my vote. By putting my vote on you, I risk nothing.
Hence your point is invalid.

[XnadrojX]

You have been pushing me for an invalid reason, of tunnelling. Tunnelling itself is not a scumtell, even if you are town. It's done by town when they see a scummy fuck and don't want to let them slip through. It's done by scum to push for a mislynch. It's the way a tunnel is carried out that's what determines it's scumminess. That part of your case is invalid.
You on the other hand, has been "tunnelling", on drealz on Day 3. But this case from scum as I saw no town motivation. You merely said "he was scum" and even refused to engage him. This pings on unholy levels, why would you as town, upon finding a scum, tunnel the said scum, but with no reason bar "lynch him" and even refusing to interact? The only conclusion was that you were pressing a mislynch and didn't want to have your case poked holes into, as well as avoiding your lack of case be exposed by conversation with drealz. Therefore that tunnel had scum motivation.
To answer the complete my question about why mine has town motivation, I've been tunnelling you since you refused interaction. I've provided a case, I've provided more valid reason than you have to defend. I've told people to lynch you and tried to kick-start a wagon on you now. I'm confident enough that you are scum that I am focusing solely on you right now. A mislynch I am pushing? There is so much reason to lynch you I am not letting go unnoticed.

Tunnelling is your entire case? Really? I believe if you were town Sly, you have more defense in your backup.

You tried AtEing to me in 1909, and I can proudly say once you flip, I will either revel in my scumhunting or reel at your bad play. You could have taken the typing time to defend yourself harder, but no. AtEing is a last resort generally viewed as scummy. I think this is scum trying to get the easy way out.

You have not truly defended yourself. Each time a question, a read, a push is not to your benefit, you sidestep/discredit/OMGUS. You avoided the bottom part of the quote you quoted, that i know you read because you can quote. You discredited my whole read and push on you by saying I'm just a tunnelling scum. You didn't want to actually defend yourself. The only explanation: you're being an antitown fuck or you're scum unable to defend yourself. Either way both cases should be lynched.

So, I'm going to ask you to defend yourself one last time. The odds are in my favour, I have the better case and the better reasoning, am more widely townread and am absolutely confident people will back me. You have nothing to lose by defending yourself.

[XnadrojX]

Now it's your turn again

[XnadrojX]

I am the Town Baker.
I have a voice and a vote, and can hang out at my bakery at night.

Essentially a named Townie (glorified VT - in a literal sense) and of there is two scum, I have zero issue of a SlySly + Isomorphic team.
SlySly has given such bullshit to defend and relies on discrediting and AtEing to try to guard himself.
Even the resistance on the wagon is suspicious, with Isomorphic seemingly trying to pull votes off. It feels of a scum trying to threaten townies against their lynch.
I don't like it. Full case later when I am at home

[XnadrojX]

Sorry, IRL got me, I can't post my case now. I'll try to post it by tonight or tomorrow

[XnadrojX]

All Right so:

SlySly's list of crimes:
AtEs instead of defending
Actual defense is shit but padded with a lot of fluff
Claims babysitter but protects someone based off a day 1 soft over claimed PRs, follows by scumreading him during day 4
Says tunnelling is a scumtell when done on Town; no case as to why he is Town

SlySly's list of merits:
Uhm refusal to interact could be one but actually, that can go in crimes.
Not lurking.


Soooooo, ??????????? Is he Town or Scum? I wonder?

[XnadrojX]

Essentially a named Townie (glorified VT - in a literal sense) and of there is two scum

Wait...Hold on, I'm confused here.
You know there is two scum left?
-Ali

Meant to say "IF"


I have a SlySly case with quotes and stuff but I was lazy so I just gave a brief summary of what the case would say, the key points. I can quote everyhting scummy SlySly is done to show you if you're not convinced

[XnadrojX]

Because you're going to be the NightKill target anyways.

SlySly is scum and the Babysitter is a fakeclaim because doctors are easy to fake.

So you will be NKed tonight anyways, so make the full use of your role for us. It's the pro-town thing to do. You get to use your power before you die, rather than die and let your power die with you. Gladiating someone just prevents other people distracting, so it helps town to focus on a scumfuck.
Gladiator SlySly or Isomorphic, just Gladiate someone please

[XnadrojX]

Isomorphic the day might as well be over now,.Vote SlySly so i can hammer

[XnadrojX]

If SlySly DOES flip town, then all we need to do is lynch Iso tommorrow. There's no one else scummy enough to contend for scum spot

[XnadrojX]

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but wasn't shaz one of your main attackers? He was on you before the Gladiate iirc.
I'd imagine scum killed him because he was a Townish enough person to threaten in LyLo, since the was virtually universally townread.

This proves that there's one scum left in play. I believe Persivul, and drealz is a solid townread, so the only option left here is ISO. I have no vote though. So unless you all think I'm scum it's a nolynch today.

If i was town here, scum would have seen me as a potential mislynch due to the SlySly push and the WIFOM of killing Shaziro. They'd probably accuse me of some form of witchcraft to find his role or smth.

[XnadrojX]

Shaz died because he would be defending me here and whoever scum is knows that.

This pings me as LAMIST tbh.

[XnadrojX]

scum would have NK'd him to try to make a lynch possible today.

Why would scum want a townie with no vote dead?

[XnadrojX]

He basically has to rely on me being the lynch tomorrow, so even if Persivul DID hide behind me, he has to try to fabricate a push on dreal or Shaz, most likely dreal.

If Persivul DOES hide behind you then dreal IS the other only real option, unless Persivul is some kind of expert fakeclaimer or has some sort of fancy witchcraft.

[XnadrojX]

scum would have NK'd him to try to make a lynch possible today.

Why would scum want a townie with no vote dead?

Just to clarify, if i was the last scum I'd rather there be as many lynchless days as possible.
Here, I'm the only real lynch possibility. It's either a safe day for them or a mislynch. And to be honest i think that's better than risking another day being discovered.

[XnadrojX]

I won't be posting for the next 30 hours or so but I'm ready to throw more arguments that pop up when i come back

[XnadrojX]

scum would have NK'd him to try to make a lynch possible today.

Why would scum want a townie with no vote dead?

So that they can try to get a lynch in mylo?
-Ali

Why would scum want to risk their ass after surviving this long? All reasoning in above post, pls read or if you read, pls present opposition.

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If i was town here...

sometimes people tell me not to read into other ppl's word choice, but, oof, how can I not with a phrase like this?!

Direct response to Iso's "If xnad is town"

I don't think the wording's a big deal. I'm more concerned with the fact that yesterday he made a big push on sly, but then didn't vote after the gladiate and left the dirty work to the rest of us. Shaz thought it was due to iso's priest role, but I don't buy that - xan would have been here saying that if that were the case.

I didn't know votes reset and the last votecount was given when I was on V/LA. I believe I went completely silent bar the post right after the Gladiate, before the votecount?

[XnadrojX]

I haven't read the last few pages of salt, but why the actual fuck would dreal and ISO in their right fucking mind destroy their chances of winning in that situation? In my dying breath I stated that two possibilities are Pers and ISO.
Oh my fucking god that day lasted 2 seconds because of reckless play.

On the bright side it ended just in time for me to argue about the balcne of my game in the game review rn.

[XnadrojX]

Be mad and be salty, but calm down and dont go at each other's throats

Imo throat going is the best way to calm down.

[XnadrojX]

And i haven't agreed he is wrong.

I do agree it was a ugly misplay to let LyLo last 2 seconds though.

[XnadrojX]

Let me use my superior handle on the English language to get at the heart of the perhaps frustrated drealz.

You instavoted in LyLo. You said it was ISO not pushing Pers first chance. The issues here: You didn't give them a chance yet AND it was LyLo, if you asked him in LyLo, and he still pulled things out of his ass, then I'd vote him too. But voting on LyLo first thing is never correct.

Secondly: You said you tried to NKA and it was out fault that we didn't listen. Maybe you did. But if you noticed something like that, you can't assume we're as attentive as you/other person who noticed.

Thirdly: It was the sum of other people who caused the loss.
0+0+0+1+1-5 = -3
There are more 1s and one -5.
If everyone else is playing fine, all it takes is one guy to misplay, and opponent wins. If the sum of the players was negative (a loss), it's possible that there's only one huge negative and many positives. Maybe take this into account.


Please present your counterargument in a calm and peaceful manner please, it's hard to read when every other word is an expletive or insult.


Also TB the NK of a seer is expected, and we kinda suck at reading flavour.

[XnadrojX]

So Persivul/Clumsy, you guys are the most qualified to judge my play, how could i have done better?

Thanks clumsy.

Persivul, why did you decide on me eventually?