Mini 1880: Witch Trials Mafia - Game over!

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Excuse factory in full production.

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{Vecna, drealmerz7, Desperado}
{Isomorphic, Andrius, Shaziro}
{shaddowez, SlySly, All Alone}
{Pine, XnadrojX}
{Persivul}

Pretty much where I'm at.

it's like you copied my paper but changed just a couple things so no one would think you're cheating

swap andrius and nadroj, put Persivul in the middle, and drop Isomoprhic down and we're right there

So, there's Desperado's reads.

Then sell me on it because I don't believe you.

At least one of your heads is pinging my scumdar a little so I don't feel the need to convince you. I'm not giving up my reads on Andrius so easily, he's a tricky one. My reads are stronger than your gut. I have a lot of recent history with Andrius.

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

You're obviously active. Oh wait, you're responding to content hundreds of posts ago, right?

I love you like a brother.

During the Civil War.

Good line.

You're almost caught up! (Thanks btw!)

VOTE: Isomorphic

I think it's a fair assumption that you read his post by this point.

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What will come next, ladies and gentlemen?

Stay tuned!

[Andrius]

My heart is not in mafia right now.
I am here, however.

I, for one, would very much appreciate us not adding extra posts.

He's not handling the pressure well, you're all over him for not playing like normal, and you leave? What?

Yep.
I believed his frustration. Would you not be frustrated if you got ran up to L-1 on page 3?
If he was scum, I genuinely believe the best play he could have done there was self-hammer.

It'd be a toss-up between frusturated and 'well this surely will not last'.
Because this is not 2010 mafiascum we no longer lynch people on page 4.
I hear your words, but why anyone would take a wagon this seriously this early on and enter RAGE MODE is beyond me.
And now he's back to crapposting. At least on this page. Ok.
Pressure was applied and he cried so you backed off? Ok then.
I don't like how this went down at all.

xjordanx's arrival is limited in scope to drealmerz.
Don't like his reaction to people voting him.
Don't like his focusing on drealmer's reaction to the claim. We all know he's from another site and disagrees about everything we do here on MS.

Shaziro was pinging me as scum earlier but I'm liking his development into the game.

He's not handling the pressure well, you're all over him for not playing like normal, and you leave? What?

Yep.
I believed his frustration. Would you not be frustrated if you got ran up to L-1 on page 3?
If he was scum, I genuinely believe the best play he could have done there was self-hammer.

This is nonsense. It wasnt L1, and you do not get his frustration at all because it was Grey-style overexahageration that was just a big tad way too dramatic.

No way a hammer was coming there.

You are another one of my scumreads. Good job

Yeah my thing with this whole interaction was basically "ITS PRESSURE" and it really wasn't and Grey BROKE under the PRESSURE which was really nothing and then we're walking away from it? What?

Why do you say that?

Think I explained my Pine vote pretty well, unless you're asking something else?

All these winks are creeping me out. Does this slot do this every game?

Its in his sig, not his posts.

I don't see scum!Shaziro bussing scum!Iso here. Shaziro is the one that brought heat onto Iso, iirc.

SvT maybe. TvT perhaps. But SvS? I have doubts.

It is far too early to be all concerned over bussing.
There's zero pressure so far, zero wagons have had pressure this game except the Grey one and it was killed in its prime.

That was way too much posting last night. It will take some time for me to get through it. One thing I did notice is that Shaz's 226 pinged me as the same IIoA he did as scum in strahd, but it seems isolated. After that he looked much better, willing to ruffle some feathers.

Yeah you have explained my thought process better than I could have.

Persivul's p. town.

Holy shit I missed a lot.

I'll admit straight away, I didn't read past page 10, I'm about to read the last couple of pages. Reads from what I did read so far though - Grey and persivul are town, dreal and pine are probably town, don't like Iso but can't really put my finger on why right now, and xnadrojx is scum.

Also, I'm feeling a bit ignored which makes me sad.

Hi.
Glad to see you playing the game.
Can you explain your Town Pine read?
I also realize we have similar reads and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

One of the biggest problems I see in games is that the clumsy, antitown players are routinely offered up as sacrifice to the mislynch gods on d1, and are summarily blamed for their own lynch instead of people taking responsibility for their bad votes.

The clumsy anti-town players also never take responsibility for their own actions and blame everyone else for their deaths, refusing to re-evaluate their own play.
You can't blame people for not taking responsibility for "bad votes" and at the same time refuse to take the "clumsy antitown players" to task for refusing to take responsibility for their own play which led to their death.

We're not just rolling DICE TAGS here to lynch people. People are lynched for a reason.

At this point Pine's actually done little to affect my read of his slot.

Look at your post count. Look at everyone else's. The problem here isn't that my curiosity is abnormally low. The problem is that yours is abnormally high. It's calendar day 2 of game day 1. You're right - I haven't charted all the reads of all the players that I've expressed an opinion on. If you find that scummy, then this is probably a 1:12 setup.

This is such a beautiful post.

Iso's a leaning scumread at the moment.
I don't get his gut read on me.
I don't get his TOO MUCH PRESSURE on Grey.

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The clumsy anti-town players also never take responsibility for their own actions and blame everyone else for their deaths, refusing to re-evaluate their own play.
You can't blame people for not taking responsibility for "bad votes" and at the same time refuse to take the "clumsy antitown players" to task for refusing to take responsibility for their own play which led to their death.

We're not just rolling DICE TAGS here to lynch people. People are lynched for a reason.

Perfect example of self-righteous bile.

It's the victim's fault you jump to conclusions over superficial bullshit and ignore the blinding truth that the crap you're lynching someone for on d1 is the last damned thing scum would actually do, which is the very reason mislynches are the defacto standard on d1.

[Isomorphic]

Oh. A wagon on us.
Cool.

[Isomorphic]

If you really want to "lynch whos scum then explain it", why aren't you voting Shaz?

Becuase I scumread the mudkip some more.

[SlySly]

dreamlz - if -grey- dies tonight, dreamlz is scum

you make a lot of really horrible posts but this might be the worst one yet

you are a very unpleasant person.

[Isomorphic]

Isomorph - as noted, in your 1v1 with him he came off looking bad. In the beginning he was pretty matter of fact and holding his own, but then we got 307 and 309 (the lol tell), which felt like caught scum, and 312, which feels like a diversion - "It's like somewhere within the first 20 pages."

Here we have someone who doesn't know the heads of who's playing so just using bad tells to justify their vote.

[Isomorphic]

Lol to the nerds who think we're scum feel free to wagon us.
I invite you to do so!

[Isomorphic]

Which reads of yours are controversial?

Not paying attention to the game, are we?

I'm not either! Does that mean I'm scum?

[SlySly]

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

I've seen at least 2 things blatantly different from Andrius so far.

[Shaziro]

Isomorph - as noted, in your 1v1 with him he came off looking bad. In the beginning he was pretty matter of fact and holding his own, but then we got 307 and 309 (the lol tell), which felt like caught scum, and 312, which feels like a diversion - "It's like somewhere within the first 20 pages."

Here we have someone who doesn't know the heads of who's playing so just using bad tells to justify their vote.

Meta means less than 0 if you don't sign your posts.

Lol to the nerds who think we're scum feel free to wagon us.
I invite you to do so!

Lynch this with phlogiston.

[SlySly]

Which reads of yours are controversial?

Not paying attention to the game, are we?

I'm not either! Does that mean I'm scum?

Scum don't have to read. It's a factor.

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Which reads of yours are controversial?

Not paying attention to the game, are we?

I'm not either! Does that mean I'm scum?

Scum don't have to read. It's a factor.

Well they do, but for entirely different reasons.

[Isomorphic]

I feel like Persivul's read on us is weak to the point where it feels forced.
Same thing with Desperado, except their only excuse for not SRing the slot is that he liked his reads.
Like, it just seems so slimey and shallow that I really don't like it. So my vote goes here.
VOTE: Persivul

[Persivul]

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

I've seen at least 2 things blatantly different from Andrius so far.

OK, what are they?

[Shaziro]

Ooooh, that's an interesting development. Things are startin' to fall into place!

[Isomorphic]

Ooooh, that's an interesting development. Things are startin' to fall into place!

If you're talking about me, what do you make out of it?

[SlySly]

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

I've seen at least 2 things blatantly different from Andrius so far.

OK, what are they?

Try this experiment...

1. iso Andrius
2. keep in mind I have called Andrius scum and said I've spotted it
3. search his iso for Sly

When I'm in a game with Andrius and Pine and Andrius summons team Strahd, if I'm not mentioned then, nor in his wall post after me calling him scum and voting him, that's different than Strahd(

and other games

).

[shaddowez]

Hi.
Glad to see you playing the game.
Can you explain your Town Pine read?
I also realize we have similar reads and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

It was mostly gut and the quick votes on him (and yes, I know I was one of them). I had also only read part of the game at that point and didn't realize he literally had two posts in the game. Add him to my "to be sorted once he actually posts" list (I may have just created that list).

[Shaziro]

Andrius feels the same here as he did in strahd, and he was town there.

I've seen at least 2 things blatantly different from Andrius so far.

OK, what are they?

Try this experiment...

1. iso Andrius
2. keep in mind I have called Andrius scum and said I've spotted it
3. search his iso for Sly

When I'm in a game with Andrius and Pine and Andrius summons team Strahd, if I'm not mentioned then, nor in his wall post after me calling him scum and voting him, that's different than Strahd(

and other games

).

...I didn't notice he didn't include you in the vampire hunter gang. Hrm.

[Persivul]

Try this experiment...

1. iso Andrius
2. keep in mind I have called Andrius scum and said I've spotted it
3. search his iso for Sly

When I'm in a game with Andrius and Pine and Andrius summons team Strahd, if I'm not mentioned then, nor in his wall post after me calling him scum and voting him, that's different than Strahd(

and other games

).

Re: not mentioning you in team strahd: what other games have you played together since then? I'd like to check that.

Re: not mentioning you after you scum read him - I have your ISOs open in strahd. You first scum read him in 1198, and he doesn't mention it until 1261, which is ~18 posts later. In 1295 you say more about it, and then he reacts in 1303. I'm not seeing such a strong trend that his lack of reaction yet in this game means much.

[SlySly]

what other games have you played together since then?

I can't discuss those.

[Andrius]

Sly its nothing personal.
I generally ignore the first few votes on me.

I cant recall ever being like STRAHD and excluding you.
I remember being all over defending PINE from the GREY but Pine and I clearly had the best relationship at the end of STRAHD.
He saved me from death we settled down (apparently in this freaking village) and had beautiful children together.

Now we are retired and our children must take up the mantle.
This is my headcanon.
My role is headcanon the child of Pine and Andrius from Strahd.