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In what world would Titus not flip scum? This IS scum!Titus and it's so obvious I don't even need to case her predecessors.In post 2590, Commander Shepard wrote:A) If Titus doesn't flip scum it is still 3v3 and then in that case every other townie would have to be lynched. I have hard townreads outside of those two.
B) We are all three townies. Scum just don't fake claim masons. If they don't die it is too suspicious.
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Last? Who is the second?In post 2605, Tea and Biscuits wrote:PoE would suggest the last scum are in shaddowez/AC/Empking.
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1- Because this is NOT a mislynchIn post 2664, Prism wrote:You do all realize we have 8 days and that close to every single one of you admit to having know earthly idea what's going on?
Why on earth do you refuse to take this time to catch up for the sole reason of having a Titus flip 6-7 days earlier when a mislynch takes us to MyLo?
2- Because the game stagnation creates apathy
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^^^
haha, what happened since i've been gone? i'm agreeing with Shepard's reads.
Infinity, Wraith, dreal, Prism, and Shepard are all lock-town or near lock-town, in Wraith's case.
i still have to catch up. and my question was a joke, i'm pretty much informed on game events.
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Both their play from early game was so obvious I had to ask explicitly if they were Masons. Prism did confirm that early too, but I missed it because I was talking to dreal at the time, so IIRC I feel stupid, but that is that and they are Masons. The flavour fits perfectly and no mod will provide MASONS as a fake claim. The dreal flavour claim made it specific as to what flavour Prism would have, so it makes it even more risky for scum to fake that because there was no guarantee William wasn't already in play elsewhere.In post 2750, Infinity 324 wrote:
This is the more important question here.In post 2735, Infinity 324 wrote:Why can't town be suspicious of masons if they were very much so before the claim?
I understand why shade casting on the Mason's could be an ok scum strategy even though I personally wouldn't do that as scum but I don't understand why it can't come from town.
All in all, this simply can't be a fake claim. It's as legit as can be (and this coming from someone who had consistently scum read dreal earlier).
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When a scumster throws themselves under the bus so blatantly it is FOR A REASON.
Titus + Empking are conf!Scum now, but WHY would EMP so desperately out himself in an attempt to save Titus FOR JUST ONE MORE NIGHT??
The obvious answer is Titus has a much stronger role. Emp may be a Goon for all I know, but Titus has something MUCH stronger. That could be anything from a Strongman, to a double-kill ability (is this a thing) to even being an Encryptor (provides scum with daychat). I could think of more roles, but the point is TITUS HAS A STRONG ROLE. That's why she goes first.
"For Titus to be scum Emp must also be scum" is true, but the inverse of it is just as true. "If Titus flips Scum them Emp is Scum" is as true as "if Emp flips Scum then Titus is Scum". They're BOTH of the same alignment.
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Well, for someone who knows Titus' scum play I can't see that being the case. It's a poor gambit from scum!emp either way, but even more so if it was just to get Town cred for "when Titus flips Town" (which she won't).
I want you to put yourself in Scum!Emp's place. See it from his perspective for a second. WHAT do you REALLY gain from this gambit assuming:
a) Town!Titus
b) Scum!Titus
For me, you gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the first case. Your claim is piss poor, and it was done in the most inconvenient of times. Even is Titus does flip Town people will still be asking you why didn't you claim earlier, and especially so when you claim 1-shot (i.e. your result is all that matters as you are now effectively a VT).
So, Scum!Emp + Town!Titus doesn't work AT ALL here. It would have if he claimed like 3 days ago. not while we are simply waiting for Prism to give us the nod on to hammer (and have been for a long time too).
It thus becomes the ONLY conclusion is that they're both scum (case b), which leads us to the WHY again, and that's what I tried to explain earlier (I have seen it happen before, and most recently in Timeshift where Nero tried his best to redirect a wagon on James who had earlier SCUM CLAIMED EXPLICITLY. It was because James was a 2-shot NINJA, and had only used one of his shots. It was bad play from Nero, but still that IS why Scum would try to buy a scum p one more day (or rather night) so blatantly).
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I second that notion. I mean, I can understand why he lied about his ROLE, but why fake claim his flavour?? That's the second Townie to fake claim that!!!
That too.In post 2849, Infinity 324 wrote:Godfather AND Miller for a 1-shot cop doesn't make much sense either
Tell me something, mate. If Infinity is scum and Empking claimed cop, why is Empking still alive? Do you think Infinity (or anyone else for that matter) believed he was 1-shot?In post 2851, Prism wrote:
You're right, it doesn't, not just because I doubt Empking is one shot but because I doubt you're miller.In post 2849, Infinity 324 wrote:Godfather AND Miller for a 1-shot cop doesn't make much sense either
My problem with Empking claim is it came way out of place. If he was TRULY a 1-shot Cop there was absolutely nothing holding him from claiming earlier. It thus becomes as one of 2 possibilities to me:
a) Empking is 2/3 shots Town Cop
b) Empking is lying Mafia
I have problems believing the first option because if he was I'd have expected Mafia to shoot him tonight. They didn't even go for one of the Masons FGS. They should Wraithy directly. Why do you think that is??
The one thing we know now is Mafia do have a STRONGMAN, unless Wraith was also lying about protecting TWC on N1. (You see, Wraith? That's what happens when you tell unnecessary lies. People get skeptical about accepting anything you told them). *Rolls Eyes*
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I had considered a CRAZY theory. One that is REALLY way off the norm:
GF and NO COP. Scum thought there might be one though, so Infinity fake claimed Miller and Empking tried to lure them out by fake claiming Cop himself.But that would be dumb because if we lynched Empking first we would have lynched Titus next anyway, so I dismissed it.
I need to wait and see who says what today to decide where to vote.
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i know that. it's just you called it 'other power' in a recent post.In post 2895, Infinity 324 wrote:Not everything revolves around you and your role. Just because you sent me a message doesn't mean I'm gonna go "wink wink i got a message from someone" in the thread. I made a note that you're probably town since fruit vendors are more likely town and since I already townread you. There's a reason I haven't really considered you a scumspect since then.
PEdit: It's a role that has no mechanical effects chara, so...
...it probably doesn't matter, freudian slips aren't really a thing.
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i don't like this post when Empking is a cop.In post 1027, Empking wrote:Yeah, I'm far from convinced that no cop means lynch Infinity. Even more so if it turns out that Ari crafted the set up (or seems like he did) with interesting roles coming from interesting characters. I can imagine designing a set up by going 'huh, he was never crowned that could make an interesting Miller' and then not changing it as the Cop gets thrown out or is never put in.
i also don't like the claiming 1-shot because 'they wouldn't let him get away with vague shots'.
finally, what's stupid about the plan itself? if done correctly it makes Empking look like a cop who got tricked.
the existence of a godfather made me doubt Infinity, for obvious reasons, but after looking at both Cloud and Titus i see interactions with Infinity that look genuine.
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i was actually reading the two posts in backwards order to what they were. never mind.In post 2905, Infinity 324 wrote:Huh?
I basically always townread wraith expect for a small amount of time d2 where I doubted the read.
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what do you have on T&B that's compelling?
i'm pretty certain Shepard isn't scum.
i just don't see anything town about Empking. 2835 is pretty lukewarm, coming when Titus is already going down. Titus doesn't have many interactions to speak of besides what looks like an actual attempt to discuss/convince you. but Cloud has a soft-push on shaddow, a similar feel to yourself as Titus did, and no interaction with Empking/T&B to speak of. the push on shaddow could be bussing, or it could just be weak.
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if you get not wanting to out a power role and the discussion is on the setup then why wouldn't Infinity leave it out? it reallydoesn'taffect balance all that much and this reasoning is weak. would Infinity's setup spread have changed at all due to Shepard's role? really, no.
we've had two town lie on flavour and role. there are reasons for both but Lynch All Liars is weak here. especially coming from you building on what i think is town Shepard.
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What do you mean by risky?? They would've either killed one of you Masons OR ended up killing the BG anyway. They did NOT target you. They targeted the BG claim directly. That doesn't make much sense.In post 2865, Prism wrote:@A50:Wraith was roleblocked by town, farside flipped it and scumread Wraith iirc. Either way it's more likely than strongman. We also had a claimed bodyguard making any hit elsewhere inherently risky.
VOTE: Infinity
I always try to solve the game by putting myself in a scum mindset. If I was Scum why would I shoot the BG over 2 Masons and a claimed Cop whom I BELIEVED to be a Cop? And I explained why the 1-shot part didn't make sense with his play, so he's either multi-shot or he is lying. If he's lying then he is Scum. If not then he is multi-dhot and Scum would have shot him over the Masons, and certainly over the BG claim.
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In post 2921, Almost50 wrote:
I wanna call you names. I wanna be rude and nasty to the extreme. I wanns wipe the floor with your face. I wanna do all these things, but I won't.In post 2867, Commander Shepard wrote:If either of those wrong Almost.
I was literally tunneling CK before your sister replaced in. I was the only one voting him, and I stayed on him after she took over. I only left because nobody was listening, but as soon as a wagon formed there I joined it faster than speedy Gonzales. Empking tried to deter the flow, and some fell for it. I didn't. I kept on pushing Titus until she got lynched.
Now if I was Scum I would have known she was GF and would have agreed with those who wanted Empking gone first. I would have known he was telling the truth (and he would have been if I was scum). In other words, if I believed Empking's claim for a minute I would have let Titus live another day or two at the very least.
Let me try rephrasing all that because -obviously- you're too smart to grasp any meaningful analysis of the game:
Empking is either Town or Scum: If Town, then Scum!Me would have lynched him when the moment came to verify his claim. He claimed 1-shot anyway and it would have been quite justified. He flips Town Cop and Titus is cleared.
If Empking is Scum though, then his gambit was still for a fucking reason. I would have promoted him as TOWN now because Titus flipped GF so he can be left alone. I'm still pushing him for my prime suspect.
If I was scum I and Empking was Town I would have certainly shot him over anyone else. If he is scum with me then I wouldn't shade him and/or make a big fuss over the NK analysis. I would simply go with "Mason" Prism and lynch Infinity, and if Infinity flips Town then it was on You & Prism. If they flip Scum I gain more Town credit (but hey, I would already know what Infinity would flip).
I've tried thinking this over standing, sitting, jogging, hopping on my head, and crawling on my arse cheeks, and I still can't see how your brain works. And then you say you're not tunneling. Just fucking ISO yourself. You've accused me over 30 times already in this game alone. You have a severe degree of addiction to typing my name with some shade on it. Grow up FGS. I don't ever mind being suspected, and I don't normally react this way to others FoSing me, but you are unbearable .. for real. Get a fucking grip, GDI!!
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I won't pretend to be in full agreement with this, but it's an interesting theory none-the-less.In post 2930, Tea and Biscuits wrote:The only way I can think for that kill to make sense is with Prism/dreal scum who believed the BG claim and wanted it to look like they were targeted. I don't know what to believe any more. Someone say something that makes sense.
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@CS: A mislynch (if that's what it is) that would be most beneficial to Town still. Scum will have to shoot the other Mason, so the Cop is safe. You are also confirmed, so it would be MyLo with 2 conf!townies. You can even decide whom to lynch if that's the case. You get to be the Town Leader.
If we do NOT lynch a Mason today we are forced to take their claim for granted. You don't lunch a Mason in LyLo/MyLo!!
Honestly, the more I think about what Postie said the more it makes sense. Not JUST that they thought Wraith's claim was legit, but ALSO explains why they didn't get shot at. NO SCUM leaves TWO MASONS and a CLAIMED COP to shoot a BG ... EVER!
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Well then. Let's numerically test it!!
VOTE: Prism
P.S. The more you talk the more you convince me Postie hit the nail right on the head. Your explanation of why Wraith was shot over you, dreal AND Empking is beyond ridiculous. If you flip scum all credit goes to Wraith and his fake claim.
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and there goes my perfect record for all forms of slipping. tragedy.In post 2953, Not Chara wrote:VOTE: Empking
i do understand Almost's issue with Prism. and the notion that if the masons are scum they might not be getting lynched without is alive. but i don't see us actually getting nightkilled here. i won't go into it any more but i imagine the reasons why are pretty obvious?
i also really believe Empking is scum. if town, he must have more shots.
TWC wanted CK but the fight for that was way harder than it should have been. Wraith wanted Empking. the only real evidence for scum masons is that Wraith was targeted for the kill. maybe the scumdohave a rolecop. maybe they made a suboptimal kill.
if they are scum who killed Wraith to make it look like he protected one of them (not realizing he wasn't a bodyguard) then today isn't the time to deal with that. even if we do die tonight, i don't believe that.
the existence of a godfather and miller does make the cop more likely, but that doesn't mean i'm townreading Empking's play.
sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.
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i'm not scumreading Prism.
i think Empking is scum.
i understand the concern for scum masons but i'm not pursuing that. the only time it would be worth pursuing would be lylo, and this isn't lylo. if Empking flips town i'd reevaluate on the masons.
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Short version: We both agree that Empking is the right lynch.In post 2967, Commander Shepard wrote:
Get your heads in order then.In post 2958, Almost Chara wrote:i'm not scumreading Prism.
i think Empking is scum.
i understand the concern for scum masons but i'm not pursuing that. the only time it would be worth pursuing would be lylo, and this isn't lylo. if Empking flips town i'd reevaluate on the masons.
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Voting Prism and Empking is inconsistent as fuck.
Tell me what your heads reads are.
The long version: Prism is opposing our preferred lynch, and it's confusing me a lot. If Empking is not to be lynched today then it has to be one of the Masons. Why? because if we mislynch it will be MyLo tomorrow, and THEN we would have to trust the Masons and lynch Empking anyway, or leave Empking alone to test the Masons.
And you know what else? Testing the Masons in MyLo is a huge gamble. If they're for real we already lose anyway.
Chara though does believe in testing the Masons in LyLo/LyLo and would rather see Empking flip first to decide on whether that would be needed. In other words, Empking flipping Scum solves both heads problems and conflicted read.
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What other scum read??
Here's my dilemma: You're not happy with a vote on either of the Masons, and you're protecting Empking. You yourself -I presume- don't want to get voted either, and we sure as hell are not gonna vote ourselves.
So it looks to me that you are forcing us into a lynch of your choice in Infinity/Shaddowez/T&B. Does that sound just about right?
VOTE: Shoddowez
How's that then?
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You make it sound like I'm an alt of that Mathblade person (who are -of course- not in this game, but you are so familiar with their meta you could point our their previous games easily although this is your only game on the site).In post 2975, Commander Shepard wrote:So you scumread Shaddowez more than T&B?
Good to know.
Infinity or T&B today then.
Anyway, have it your way. I get the pleasure of taunting you afterwards all the way to heavens ever after .. yet AGAIN!
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Someone decided they want to lose this game and I'm just complying!In post 2979, Infinity 324 wrote:Please get your vote back on scum
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But look at the bright side of it: You can ridicule Commander all you want for the next 100 games and they can't say shit. Unless -of course- they drop this alt and create another to join another game and do the same shit all over again.
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You know what the problem with the majority of players on this site of late? It's they do not play the game at all. They just either roll dice on whom to vote or see if they dislike someone's avatar or something. That doesn't only result in losing games, but it creates a poor player base from those who are newly joining in. With nobody to look up to and no reason to improve, as no matter how bad their play is they won't get lynched for it. Townies will play like shit and careless and scum will be also careless and no one will develop any scum-hunting/town-deceit skills because that's not what the game is all about anymore. *Sigh*
And you sure know what they say.. "If you can't beat them; join them" (and laugh at them afterwards)
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You asked what after you AND T&B flip Town. That's 2 mislynches and presumably 2 NKs because the Town Doctor is dead, and so is the Town RB (if I'm not mixing my games).In post 2987, Infinity 324 wrote:We're not at mylo yet, lol
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Forgive me for my poor comprehension skills, but isn't mod-killed = dead??? Or can farside still block a kill??In post 2993, Commander Shepard wrote:AC isn't keeping track of games. RB was mod killed.
@dreal: I'm not at all mad at you. I was referring mainly to the CS/Prism coalition and even more precisely to CS reads (which are ALWAYS bad, even though I cannot reference you to any previous game because "they didn't exist and this is their only game on the site")
But alright, I'll stop being a dick. Who do YOU want to vote? Seriously.
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This one flew waaaay above my head. Could you please explain that to me like I'm Mathblade??In post 2994, Commander Shepard wrote:Scum can't kill me. So they slander me. If they kill me they can't mislynch masons.
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Actually THIS is one shitty response that I had initially missed commenting on. It shows NO READ PROGRESSION/REVALUATION AT ALL. Like, they've decided to runnel these two and won't change their mind about them no matter what happens.In post 2992, Commander Shepard wrote:
We lynch the other of you.In post 2983, Infinity 324 wrote:Shepard, can we talk about what happens when me or T&B flip town?
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VOTE: Commander ShepardIn post 2992, Commander Shepard wrote:
We lynch the other of you.In post 2983, Infinity 324 wrote:Shepard, can we talk about what happens when me or T&B flip town?
I am confTown.
Masons are conf.
Empking is town because Titus set Empking up.
This game is literally unlosable
Scum have to be in T&B Infinity and Shaddowez and AC.
Based on AC's response scum are T&B and Infinity.
This is getting way beyond ridiculous. Seriously!
1- Every other post CS mentions they're Conf!Town, and I friggin' don't see who confirm them or how.
2- I don't see how Titus set up Empking. Titus wasn't even in the game yet when Empking supposedly submitted his investigation on the slot, and she sure didn't tell him not claim it in time nor did she lure him to claim it that late.
3- "Based on AC's response scum are T&B and Infinity" doesn't even make any sense. If CS believes us to be Town why would my own reads indicate this? If they didn't believe us to be Town, then how come we're not in their lynch pool?
4- More about the 3rd point here: CS already said Infinty + T&B were the scum team way before I voted Shaddowez. Way way before that. My choices didn't change anything. This is pure BS.
5- Combine that with the "we lynch the other one of you" response and you get CS is BSing real real hard.
Now if we're going to lose this because of stupidity, I'd rather lynch CS. If we were to win it though, CS has to be Scum. (i.e. we lynch CS today regardless. They're either scum or irretrievable bad town).
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you're more confident in Shepard town than dreal town? or did you mean to say the opposite here?In post 3019, Prism wrote:I'm very confident you're town. I'm almost as confident Drealm is town, if that tells you anything.
Almost and i aren't on the same wavelength right now. but we both agree with Empking scum and Infinity town.
we should be able to discuss when i actually have internet access.
in what way did Titus set up Empking? Empking cites TWC as his reason for targeting Titus.
shaddowez's case-post on Titus when her lynch looked pretty locked is something i've done as town too. i'd like to see more than that for why he's scum.
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I think that may have been Chara?? They don't have full Internet access at the time.In post 3032, shaddowez wrote:In post 2959, shaddowez wrote:AC - what's up?Almost- you had said something earlier about wanting to talk to me. Did you still have something?
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Do you realize if this was the case then today is MyLo already??In post 3039, drealmerz7 wrote:what do people think about there being 4 scum with the display of power we have going on here?
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Infinity: your T&B town reasoning fits with what could be mild buddying to them i saw in Titus's ISO.
shaddowez: sorry, i didn't mean i had something specific to discuss but i appreciate you following up on the question. i wanted to see analysis from you today, at the time.
Prism: i don't mind massclaim at this point, but who goes first in your mind?
also, could you answer my last question to you? you meant Shepard is nearly as town as dreal, right? not the other way around.
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Like; the whole friggin' idea behind having lynched Titus over Empking was because I proposed Empking was trying to save SCUM!Titus for one more day. Titus DID flip Scum, and all of a sudden what Empking did became his alibi???
I will ask one more time: WHY would a ONE-SHOT COP hold his investigation result until his target is wagoned to L-1?? What's the town motive behind that?? Make it likely for the lynch to go anyway because nobody trusted him?? Waste the Town's time so they have to rush on another lynch w/o thinking it over?? Protecting himself when he is effectively a VT from then on?? GIVE ME A FRIGGIN' REASON.
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Alright, play with me: Let's assume a hypothetical situation where there is NO COP, but still the Mod opted to include a Town Miller AND a Scum GF to fool BOTH sides into believing there is one.In post 3065, Empking wrote:Which was obvously wrong. Since, Godfather is only super-powerful if I'm telling the truth about my role.
Now, IN THAT HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: How would Scum!YOU know any better? I'm just asking.
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Spoiler: TWC read list
TLDR:
Infinity = Town (check)
T&B = Town Lean (??)
AC = Town Lean (??)
ThinkMomo/fitz = Town (check)
Pine/CK/Titus = Null ; but ended D1 voting there (check)
PP/RC/Shaddowez = Null (??)
Drealmerz = Town Lean (check)
Bork/CS = Null-Scum (??)
Prism = Null-Scum (NOT check)
Empking = Null?? (??)
Wraith = Scum (NOT check)
nancy/farside = Town (check) << This one is 2 posts later
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Math flow! It's 30.77% vs 69.23% actually.In post 3121, drealmerz7 wrote:that's a 4:9 ratio which makes it 44.44444444444444444444444444% chance vs. 55.5555555555555555555555555555% chance
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