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then how do you plan on sorting maria?In post 19, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think an early wagon on her is going to reveal anything
i personally like memewagonning her but i'd like to think i'm getting better at reading her off of it
also strongly disagree with dunkerdoodles on dunn being scum he's firmly town atm
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posting feels airy and noncommittal in a scummy way - plus im fairly sure i've seen scum just sit back and take potshots like that early game on multiple occasions
dunn's vote is bad because he voted for someone scummy and then voted for me when i havent posted anything aiHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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bad vote =/= scum obviously?In post 79, Mint Berry Crunch wrote:
So why wouldn't Dunn be your vote there?In post 76, Famethyst wrote:dunn's vote is bad because he voted for someone scummy and then voted for me when i havent posted anything aiHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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i really dont want to nitpick and waste time but obviously bad posts can come from town
i see town motive in dunn's bad vote. i dont see town motive in dunker's bad posts. could i be wrong on either? obviously but it's like page 3 i still have the entire table to sort and my hydra partner hasnt even checked into the pt yetHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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pressure?
dunn expects to be able to read me easily and when he voted me i didnt post anything alignment indicative which is usually off so obviously he'd want to look into that
i dont know if this is his actual basis for his vote but i absolutely see him voting me as town hereHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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You're going to have to back this one up - dunker strikes me as the kind of person who coasts in their scumplay by being called lynchbaitIn post 175, Zachstralkita wrote:Dunker is lynch bait and Drixx is town lol
drixx's claim is nai but i completely agree with BFI with how it gives off that vibe of dotting every i and crossing every t. it strikes me more of a personality tell than not though.
strongly disagree with that dunn vote though that "kid in a candy shop" shtick is how dunn scumhunts and he's obviously town here.
ari gave me bad vibes but i'm probably going to take a second look at him because i cant really articulate why
and dunn, youreallyshould know better by now??? like if this is going to be an actual tell on me then i'm just going to spam this:
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/ ... -game-over
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/ ... -game-over
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/ ... -game-over
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/ ... -game-over
my activity is 100% related to irl stuff and i really didnt want to in for this game but i can't talk about the reasons why i did at the moment. i'm making it up to aelita though basically
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In post 95, Penn and Teller wrote:How do you know when you've posted something AI or not? Everything you say is filtered through your alignment, I don't know that it's so simple that you either have or haven't.Spoiler:
the only post you can really argue here that's game-advancing in any degree is the last one
the rest are easily postable by scum or town in the same capacity
refuse to believe dunn thinks these are actual scumposts
pedit: i feel. what do you think of dunker?Hydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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if by lynchbait you just mean he gets wagonned easily then yeah anyone can see that from a mile away with him - from the way you're talking though it sounds like you think he's town lynchbait and i want to know what makes him town over scum lynchbait
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thanks dunn!In post 209, Dunnstral wrote:I'm against lynching Zach.
and zach, that's fine and i got that, but i still dont see what content he has that warrants a townread and i'd really like an explanation there
pedit: how the turn tables. no but really im extremely out of it so if this isnt a mountainous mafia joke i probably wont get whatever it is you're hinting at anywayHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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do you think i'm town then?In post 213, Zachstralkita wrote:The whole point of lynchbait is that townies scumread them....
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from what i understand in your post:In post 217, Zachstralkita wrote:Think your first sentence misses my meaning, but I don't think it's on purpose. Care to elaborate?
dunker is lynchbait
i'm scumreading him
generally town pushes on lynchbait
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dunn i know what you're thinking but i want to get an actual read on zach and robb that isnt based on a mechanic possibility
i dont have any reason to believe theres a setup to solve here and if there is a me lynch today is also a terrible idea so? not rosenberg tier bad but stillHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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if i were a serial killer, I'd pick the bulletproof vest instead of investigation immunityIn post 233, Dunnstral wrote:There is a serial killer
^Just a side thought I had
cops wont be targeting me this game while mafia will
no but really i feel lost
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which is why im ignoring it until theres something worth following it overIn post 243, Zachstralkita wrote:I think you think Dunn is trying to equate this to Mountainish when really he's just using similar... planes of existenceHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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wake this is the most i've seen you do anything it's tilting me - what's different about this game?
i saw some stuff i mindmelded with earlier in your posting stream though and independent of the fact it's uncharacteristic of you i like it - would like to know what made you change your mind on DD?
i'll be less vague when i can
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VOTE: ButFearItself
Was expecting more to read and parse through but this guy's scumhunting feels really uncomfortably surface level to me and this game needs a strong wagon asap
{Dunn, Drixx}
{Wake, P&T, Robbvna}
{MBC, Maria}
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{Boon, Ari, Zach}
{BFI, Dunk}
is probably where my head is at rn
wake, regarding ari, after i made the comment about having a gutread on him i couldnt really pick out anything from his iso to justify it. some of his engagements now feel kind of vapid for someone who i get the impression is not at all vapid, like 422. theres not much thought into it - just genuine interactions that he could easily have as scum (like... that doesnt make sense now that i put it to words but by "genuine interactions" i mean he would feel and interact with the thread the same way as scum or town). alone this would be nai but when an iso is devoid of scumhunting it's worth looking at.
i dont think DD's drixx push should be as townread as it is - dunks is from em and players there are really good at faking interactions like that (due to the way setups work there theyre more mechanically complex, and the real-time chat style favors emotional playstyles over analytical). together someone with that kind of background is likely to be able to come up with that thought process IMO. even if you dont have a lot of experience in mafia you absorb the tendencies of a homesite pretty quickly so i think he can fake it at even a surface level (which i think he did). i dont think theres anything wrong with inherently townreading it but i dont think it counterbalances the scumminess in his play so far
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so i'm right about youIn post 470, Zachstralkita wrote:it's decent alrightHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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Yeah, I don't see that as a claim scum!Drixx would make it unless it was something that scum had a good reason to assume would make it a good tactical call to make (like a mod-provided fakeclaim or an interesting pr that gives insight into the setup). with the sk i dont see this as likely unless he's baiting shots there but that feels like a stretch to me (more than 2kpn average seems excessive to me). Without the claim he'd probably be in the third tier.In post 472, Penn and Teller wrote:
Um... thanks.In post 465, MariaR wrote:New players have a certain aura about them and way they act and you don't have it
@Fame: I like your points on Ari and Dunker. Was that a strong townread on Drixx? Can you expand on that?
Usually my upper tier is reserved for ppl i have mechanical reasons to townread or very strong meta reads (like dunn)
is this like an attention to detail sort of issue we're having here orZachstralkita wrote:my biggest actual problem is that you have me on a different tier than mariaHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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What changed?
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Let's not.In post 543, Dunnstral wrote:Second part: Let's get this Giga wagon going
I'm going to dissect Boon's case on me because it's bullshit and we're going to lynch BFI.Hydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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okIn post 508, Boonskiies wrote:Made the "bad posts tend to come from scum" comment, and I believe I commented on that. Could be wrong. I do not agree with that at all. I feel town make worse posts than scum typically do, especially if scum aren't under any sort of pressure. I actually don't feel Fame has been doing much but stating things that have already been said, actually. The SK comment they made was odd. They also said "generally town pushes on lynchbait", which kind of contradicts the whole "bad posts tend to come from scum" mindset, I feel. I did kind of like this reads list, because I get the BFI thing, but if BFI ended up being town, then this actually turns into a pretty scummy list, and it just comes off as town before flips. Dunker is mislynch bait. This is probably scum. I'm going to full on scum read here. I did this after I did BFI. I guess if Fame is a SK, then BFI could still be scum, but I don't think they'd be scum together. Call it gut, but I feel this slot makes sense as potentially setting up to control the game, and live to the long run at that.
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peoplekeep fucking misunderstanding what the intent of that post is. yes, of course town do scummy things! but we wouldn't call it SCUMMY if TOWN did it more often, that makes zero fucking sense. when a post is bad, i mean it's scummy. like.............. i feel like people are going out of their way to be contrarian here and the fact that it's being used to formulate a scumread on me is utter bullshit. i'm not going to lie about my opinion on mafia theory here, if someone does something scummy it needs to be pushed. That's just how I view the game. a scummy post can also be called a bad post. they are synonyms.
also?? that post where i said "generally town pushes on lynchbait"??that wasn't me stating my opinion, that was me trying to understand what someone was saying. please actually READ the context of what you're pushing before you start acting like there's a basis here.
So please, elucidate the town on what gut feelings you have over my posting since neither of the concrete things you've given were actually things that made sense, because all I can see is that I'm scum because I'm pushing on slots you think are mislynch bait. Why are they mislynch bait? You're not even townreading BFI and you already noted that Dunkerdoodles feels off to you - townreading them because you have a shitty scumread on me is a horrible reason to townread them.
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Dunn you really should know better.
I have zero reason to question Zach here as scum and put myself out there when you have the read you do there. Why would I waste my time as scum when zach is either my buddy or the nightkill if you're right about him?
Spring Fever. The game YOU LITERALLY REPLACED HERDunnstral wrote:Aelita lurks hard as scum
dunn are you actually scumHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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you self voted in mylo the game i'm talking about and you and her were town
let me take a deep breath though im not really in a good place rn
i want you to talk to me about your scumread of me because i legitimately do not understand why you have it and i... i really feel like you would know better if you were town?? like this feels like your town meta but maybe you just suddenly decided you like playing scum more or you're SK hunting which is fueling your investment, idk. i just want to know how legit this is
not actually but yeah if you dont force me to claim im basically going to be yesDunnstral wrote:
What? lolIn post 551, Famethyst wrote:I'm going to be confirmed town tomorrow
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@BFI
^is this what you refer to when you say that robb's vote is the only good one on your wagon?In post 310, Robbnva wrote:Fear's Dunn vote looks weird. He says he can't understand what Dunn is doing but doesn't ask a single question to Dunn to find out. Plus he agreed with Dunn in an earlier post.
i don't understand why that's a better or worse reason than me finding the way you're parsing the game superficial - like it's basically the same reason that robb is voting you for, just worded differently
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ok, you find dunn's voting patterns weird. but i dont feel that you made an effort to actually parse like why he was doing what he was doing - it feels like you're just attacking him for doing something that doesn't make sense to you from a scum perspective.
so why is robb's vote better than the other votes on your wagon?
might be a better discussion for post game or the dead thread.Dunnstral wrote:What? hahaHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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he's voting P&TIn post 571, Dunnstral wrote:Is BFI still attacking me? I don't actually know what they're doing. Just existing in this game
i kind of want paul to do things or at least have them talk about what theyve been doing in the pt bc i'm mostly townreading keychain here
bms - like what posts were gutpingy/my tone/or??Dunnstral wrote:
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i'm not a consistent personIn post 573, Dunnstral wrote:You just feel off
It didn't feel like town Giga
I don't know who else to push
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superficial scumhunting (like his you push was really bad) and he was also the biggest wagon so i was hoping something interesting would happen if i pushed there
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boonskiies's reads feel kind of primitive and preplanned to me
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i think someone genuinely reading the game would see the stuff i posted about lynchbait as me talking about what zach said in context, vs someone just speed-reading through an iso might make that mistake
i am assuming that town boonskiies is going to read the game in context even if it's a skim. scum don't need to read the thread since they know everyone's alignment but they still need to bs reads that have some basis in game events so they can just get away with speedskimming isos to construct a readlist tacticallyHydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)-
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unfortunately i dont know your meta and i'm not going to cold meta you for the sake of this game.
i'm going to be basically confirmed town tomorrow. who's scum?
are you a real personBoonskiies wrote:but makes sense why I would be targeted by you. I'm the only one who sees you are scum.Hydra of Aelita (Carny) and gigabyteTroubadour (Amethyst)