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I think that this is a good observation, but think that the Jaestina dynamic makes this more NAI than not. For one, regardless of alignment, I think that Mastina is going to be the person taking point on claiming and fakeclaiming in general; she's very comfortable with fakeclaiming and has very set in stone morals on how she believes proper claiming should be done. JaeReed, on the other hand, is more inclined to claim over not (think this post does a good job of their general view on it) and seems to be more comfortable letting others tell them when the best time to claim is, also think their dynamic in For Us was similar to that dynamic here.In post 66, Prism wrote:Specifically, use of "I" language really makes me doubt that it's either well thoughtout or discussed. Discussion of a gambit along the lines of "Hey I'm going to do this is that cool?" "Sure" more likely.
I also think that mastina is more likely than most to make a comment like that because she finds some coincidence here or there amusing; I'm having a bit of trouble phrasing what exactly I mean, but I could probably dig up an example of some sort if necessary.
I think that this approach from Gin stands out pretty radically from general approach and play in For Us; Tammy described her general approach there as "tiptoeing around a minefield" due to not really knowing how to approach mastina and me town and, while I'm sure her second attempt will be better than the first, I think that the way she goes weirdly aggressive towards Prism here is too far different from her weird hedge approach onto Lovebirds there for her to be a strong choice for scum here.In post 83, Ginngie wrote:Okay again, there is nothing alignment indicative there.
Explain or get a vote
I think that this is a fair thing to say for a majority of people, but I don't really think it's a fair thing to say for mastina. Do you disagree?In post 113, Heartless wrote:usually when town claim neg utility like i thought mastina was attempting to do in 48, it's to boost EV by suggesting a clear action for how to deal with the neg utility.
Why do you think that mastina's 48 was the equivalent of putting a "vig me" post it note on her own bag? I mean, maybe I have a different approach to the game than you do, but I can't say that I'd think that "our role is negative utility if another role exists in the game but I don't currently think the chances of that are very high" is anywhere near a "this is going to fuck the game over, kill" it claim as something like camn's Hated claim would be.In post 115, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't see the scum benefit to basically putting a "vig me" post it note on your own back.
Does this mean that you're townreading mastina and camn? How strong are your townreads on each of them?
Why would he back off his point as scum? It's not like you actually addressed his points at all - you have a point that he probably doesn't counterattack more times as town than as scum, but I don't think it's a significant point.In post 116, Ginngie wrote:If he accused me of something and I started to argue a point, and he then apologized and backed off from what he was thinking, then you'd have a point.Last edited by nancy on Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:53 am, edited 1 time in total.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Already asked the same question Prism did, but I don't think that you actually answered all of his questions here.In post 146, Kmd4390 wrote:I wouldn't assume that there isn't one. Just like when scum plan their kills around tracks/watches/protects and whatever else. It's not about assuming. It's about being prepared for the possibility and I'm pretty sure mastina as scum would think about the possibility of certain roles or types of roles before doing things.
I think that this would be a grand point if it was later in the game/the wagon against her was more serious/there wasn't such a large chance of her vote being either a joke or some weird voting thing that I'd rather she just claim.In post 158, camn wrote:Yes. Gin knows better.
It's a soft AtoE and its manipulative.
Town might try it in a game with a weaker playerlist, but it's tone deaf in this one.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Kind of. Does the cutsie softclaim bother you or are you dismissing it as mastina being mastina?In post 191, Heartless wrote:are you asking me if i think mastina, as town, could do a cutsie, cheeky little softclaim like that?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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(For the record, "trying to be cute" is functionally the same as "joking".)In post 162, Ginngie wrote:It was a statement regarding cardy somethings vote against me because 1. Card's reads are literally random.org and 2. it looked like we were going to vote people without actually saying anything or give a reason why so I did the same :3
Why? Do you really think that camn doesn't have a point in her 166 or her 170?
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In post 126, Caryatid wrote:{Prism}
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@Caryatid: Can you explain your Prism and Ginngie placements respectively? I don't like how the only two people who'd done anything worth writing about at that stage are at opposite ends; it makes it look like you decided to take one person's side in a way that ends up looking cartoonishly planned. Why was Spiffeh so high - the only thing he did was the "predict the scum" thing and I don't understand why that looks town at all. Was Heartless so high up for any reason other than "general engagement"? Why did you like KMD's entry?In post 193, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:camn
Imperium
Polar Vortex
Ginngie
Prism
VNB National Plan
Ahsoka Tano
MaxwellPuckett
Heartless
Caryatid
Kmd4390
Spiffeh
Mostly on the same page with NMS right now; I didn't like Ahsoka Tano's vote on camn when it came and so right now they're more of a person of interest for me than they are for you.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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If you'd like to join my "people who are betting on getting carried by Tammy" club then you are more than welcome to tag along! I'm headed to bed right now but I plan on talking over those reads with her tomorrow, but definitely interested in hearing about those reads in general/people worth talking about that I'm missing.
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Spiffeh, me putting you on the bottom of the list doesn't mean that you're my strongest scumread; in fact, it meant that you were the last person who I thought to place in that group. I thought that you actively doing nothing at that point (whether you were aware of it or not) was a line you'd be more likely to take as scum over town, but the biggest reason I put you on that list was so Tammy would look at you specifically since it's not like I have any real capacity to read you.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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ANTIHERO - I was gonna say let's have a wine and cheese night tonight and then I found out I have to wake up before dawn in the morning. . I'm still planning to drink some wine and catch up tonight, but it will be with less abandon. But hopefully without too much bitching because I'm in a grumpy ass mood today.
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What about Prism's reaction to Gin's push was town? How do you think it might have looked if Prism was scum and thought that Gin's reasons for pushing wereIn post 217, Caryatid wrote:Their reaction to your push also felt really town to me.[redacted]?
I understand liking the depth in his read as much as you did if you thought he was a newbie, but he is definitely not a new player.Last edited by nancy on Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I think that a lot of people interpret someone overplaying a joke as something that's scummy but I don't really think that's necessarily true; in particular, I don't see how making awkward "I'm scum" jokes is scummy at all unless you think that she's freaking out and knows they look bad but can't stop and that obviously feels like a pretty big stretch.In post 223, Caryatid wrote:When she was talking about how she was scum and what she was saying in the scum PT it felt like she was being cheeky and it felt forced and I don't know why I reacted as strongly to it as I did but a lot of her early posting left a bad taste in my mouth and it didn't go away.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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This makes sense. I don't remember the double negatives confusion but I definitely can see why you'd dislike her early push on Prism just from the nature of it alone.In post 223, Caryatid wrote:I couldn't understand Ginngie's push on Prism because it looked like Ginngie was twisting Prism's words when Prism got confused about double negatives,A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Did you have an opinion on his scumhunting? What did you think of Heartless's and our perspectives on it?In post 226, Caryatid wrote:I like that kmd came out of the gate scumhunting, so I put it in the "null but is doing things" tier.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I think it's more evidence that Cary is someone who is very detail-oriented; think that would be something a crafty scum player would pick up on, especially if it's the type of thing they focus on as town.In post 227, Ginngie wrote:Not gonna lie, I don't see scum caring about details like this.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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From my understanding, camn was making the argument that Ginngie was aware of the gamestate, regardless of her alignment, and her self-voting tactics didn't really make sense unless it was a nervous scum strategy - I'm not sure how then point you're making here plays into that.In post 230, Caryatid wrote:she was talking about awareness and it struck me as odd because I think in general as scum it's easier to have a better awareness of the game state than as town and you have more information to work with, so I feel just about the opposite about situation awareness as camn seems to :/A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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It's pretty much entirely a meta read at this point (like Ginngie!), but I really like the feel of her push on Ginngie. I don't think she's really managed to ooze that easy confidence in the way she does there as scum and I'm not really sure she would back off the read in the same way as scum.In post 230, Caryatid wrote:Can you talk to me about Camn?
I'm sure I'll be able to put words to the feelings much better later on in the day, but as for now that's what the foundation of the read looks like.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Oops, I meant to say 166 + 167 >.>In post 238, Ahsoka Tano wrote:I think 170 was tongue in cheek and is a bad example of what you are saying here.
I think the "let's see how afraid of wagons you are" point was more of a bravado/pressure statement than the actual meat of her push; if that's all she did to push her read then I'd understand what you were saying but as of right now you're taking a tiny snapshot of her push on Ginngie and acting like it's the whole thing.
Does her having good reasons on top of the "let's see how afraid of wagons you are" point not affect your read at all? Do the points I'm making here make any sense at all?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't actually understand this perspective - could you expand on it a bit? I'm guessing that voting this stage is fine because pressure but having you as a scumread isn't fine even though it essentially accomplishes the same thing?In post 240, Spiffeh wrote:I can buy voting for me because I have done like nothing so far but actually scum reading what I have done doesn't make sense to me.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I'm not really sure how you expected my approach on you to be proactive or even why you thought you were my biggest scumread when I had more fleshed out thoughts on pretty much everyone else in that list.In post 261, Spiffeh wrote:I didn't expect a response to a specific post, I just think town!Nacho would do something to either explain his read on me or proactively sort me. He has done neither.
The things he did choose to talk about seem like busy work when considering he didn't even acknowledge his largest scum read, that has nothing to do with it being me.
As far as my perspective goes on you right now, your early approach was underwhelming because you didn't really have interest in solving the game at all. Your current approach is fine because at least you're solving the game; I don't think that it's outside of your scumrange mostly because your focus has been so narrow. I didn't see the need to press you more proactively early because you weren't a top priority of mine (felt better about the other three on the list) and because you were aware you weren't doing anything (and so expected response from you is hitoshrug as opposed to indignation).A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I don't think the word you're looking for here is "townier", just that there's a productive approach and a not so productive approach here.In post 272, Polar Vortex wrote:Directly confronting them does show a townier mindset than complaining about them and calling them scum.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Cary assuming that you were a newish player for whatever reason (assuming I didn't hallucinate that) makes me feel better about this point in general.In post 276, Prism wrote:I'm just taking a "Wait and see" approach to Caryatid. Read on me I think is preemptive and strange (Is it implausible for me to make those mastina posts as scum?)A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Why do you think that they look town?In post 304, Ahsoka Tano wrote:Polar Vortex feels town though.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Yes.In post 327, Caryatid wrote:hmm, maybe, though I haven't minded Heartless' posting, but do you think Anti declares a secret scumread on his buddy here?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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He certainly wasn't before but he lost a good deal of his cool since he got that award.In post 351, Ginngie wrote:"The paragon of mafiascum is lynchbait"
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Cautious optimism, but nothing actually worth a mention yet.In post 406, Prism wrote:Sounds like you've done a lot of making sure I'm not townread for anything silly, Imperium, but do you have any thoughts yourself on my alignment?
I've liked your general posting, and I think that the way you've defended Ahsoka and Spiffeh looks genuine. I also liked your Cary (this looks town, no it doesn't) progression although I'm fully aware that you're fully capable of faking it as scum.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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In post 359, Imperium wrote:ANTIHERO - I was gonna say let's have a wine and cheese night tonight and then I found out I have to wake up before dawn in the morning. . I'm still planning to drink some wine and catch up tonight, but it will be with less abandon. But hopefully without too much bitching because I'm in a grumpy ass mood today.
Anyway hi to all! I'm not really here yet; I just mostly wanted to complain about above, but I should be back in a little bit
This did not happen. I was told if the thought of playing mafia made me want to kick puppies, I shouldn't play mafia.
*no puppies were injured in tonight's anger episodes.
Maybe tomorrow.
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Tammy being the dominant head in the hydra is a pretty solid towntell, but it's not like I haven't led for significant amount of time in a town Imperium hydra before; getting worried because she hasn't posted in a 36 hour time period in particular is kind of silly.In post 447, Spiffeh wrote:Because Tammy being disengaged from the game will ALWAYS be the biggest and most accurate reason to scum read ImperiumA hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Could you clarify if this is a joke or not?In post 581, Spiffeh wrote:And Nacho knows not to question me.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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This is true and he recently unbanned me from mafia after i promised I wouldn't take it so seriously, so it's time to bust some skulls! Yeah!In post 601, Imperium wrote:We are both wildly intoxicated at the moment.
I meant to catch up about 2 beers ago and fucked up, but I will try to be as solemn as possible while I offer up my contributions to this humble thread.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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if we were spending time together in person i'd be tapping on my wristIn post 606, Heartless wrote:not drunk rn but i could start working on it?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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One thing that stood out for me in Buttersnap was that Shadoweh was entertaining as fuck to play with and I actually longed to be town with her. Don't feel anything close to that feeling with her here.In post 414, Prism wrote:First off, really like VNB's #345. Don't agree with all of the reads but some strike me as more skepticism than malice (ex. mastina) while others seem likely. I also just honestly buy the phone story. Conveniently sums up my feelings on Polar-ton of questions, range of usefulness in their answers, near 0 use for reading Polar.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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(I have a bandaid on my thumb after a cooking accident which is making me post weirder than me just being drunk. I'm trying to fix them all, but if there are weird letters where they shouldn't be, its my fucking bandaid.)
let's be clear though spiffeh's posts have been problematic and yesterday I wanted to literally smash my head with a hammer after reading his posturing hypocritical posts, but some of his posts after yesterday's terrible as shit posts look fine today. though I'm not sure if anyone notices that he's danced around and not really interacted in a normal way and that makes me go all itchy fuck fest. I'm all cool and the jazz if you want to read our hydra through me, but you really haven't been framing that this way this game. You tried to make it sound like it's alignment indicative that I didn't post in the first few days of the game, then you tried to frame it in the oh you think you can read me way, which I don't like.
I'd just feel much better about you if you'd just have been like hey nacho when's tammyvposting (you'd know I"d planned to post on Thursday if you'd asked.) Or if you'd said that you thought you could read us better by me posting, but you went this weird around the world way and it feels like you did that because people called you out on your shit.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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In post 606, Heartless wrote:not drunk rn but i could start working on it?
drining!
but have not read the game in fullv yet.
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In post 606, Heartless wrote:not drunk rn but i could start working on it?
drining!
but have not read the game in fullv yet.
Mostly I've beenvlooking at reads nacho's asked me about for cliffs notes versions.
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you get me so much!In post 620, Heartless wrote:tammy
just use ur right thumb
take ur left thumb off it keeps wanting to hit the v key
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the other read nacho asked me to assess was gin and whether or not he was town reading her too easily but her play is early annoying just like when she was town in dragon ball z and the what's the difference between care and aware and the crap she was giving to prism's early read on whoever looks way townier than for us where she was totally deer incheadlights. I skimmed the spiffeh exchange in a grocery store earlire but I think he's crack piping. ALSO don't care abut that other game either so shadoweh hydra is high five on the what don't care chick fist.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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phrases tammy learns when she's dating a black guy for $200, trebeckIn post 627, Imperium wrote:but I think he's crack piping.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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