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i remember when
i remember i remember when i lost my mind
there was something so pleasant about that place
even your
emotions
have an echo , in so much
space-
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SPIFFEH
i thought u wanted to hang out-
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oh are you waiting for this?In post 36, Spiffeh wrote:What are all your predictions for scum?!?!?!
uh.........
imperium, carytid, ahsoka
VOTE: imperium-
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you and me....
we're finished-
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if it's that bad is there a reason you're not just claiming it?In post 48, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Well we certainly have something which could make us honorary scum...In post 31, Spiffeh wrote:I predict the scum will be camn, NoticeMeSenpai, and Prism-
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ginngie, what's your read on mastina?-
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interesting
what else does your gut say?
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yeah...... ok
usually when town claim neg utility like i thought mastina was attempting to do in 48, it's to boost EV by suggesting a clear action for how to deal with the neg utility. you claim hated so that no one accidentally hammers you at l-1. you claim supersaint so that if you get lynched, everyone else makes someone scummy hammer you. you claim pgo so that no one targets you. you claim miller so that cops don't investigate you.
mastina didn't do that so it's just kinda awkwardly hanging out there and the implication is that the purpose of the claim was in fact to make a full claim later look more legit (which both town and scum do) and i could see someone being skeeved out by that (because i kinda sorta was at the time too). i don't think prism's thoughts at this stage of the game are unnatural.
i do think you're making too much of a show of being on mastina's "side" here (insisting the claim is strictly nai) and i think your aggression on this angle is a little forced-
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bc alts are scumIn post 120, Ahsoka Tano wrote:Hi people!
Why am I already on people's lists of scum of I have not posted here yet?
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hmmmm... you seem boredIn post 130, Spiffeh wrote:Self voting is never ok
Also I would like to know why Caryatid's name is italicized in the vote counts
This is all I have to contribute
i have a secret scumread. you wanna guess who it is?-
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no it's not you
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also bc u posted in the alt activation threadIn post 144, Caryatid wrote:
Either the experience requirement for this game, or the fact that your e-mail is listed publically so we know who you are.In post 143, Ahsoka Tano wrote:
How did you know?In post 135, Heartless wrote:
bc alts are scumIn post 120, Ahsoka Tano wrote:Hi people!
Why am I already on people's lists of scum of I have not posted here yet?
duh
i am the super sleuth-
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they don'tIn post 148, Ginngie wrote:Why do people purposefully take out quote links when quoting people
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maybe maybe not
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quiz:In post 146, Kmd4390 wrote:I wouldn't assume that there isn't one. Just like when scum plan their kills around tracks/watches/protects and whatever else. It's not about assuming. It's about being prepared for the possibility and I'm pretty sure mastina as scum would think about the possibility of certain roles or types of roles before doing things.
is a vig killing someone because they're neg utility something you've seen actually happen? if so, link plz-
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such as.......?In post 156, Polar Vortex wrote:more relevant things-
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ugh now I'M bored
TAMMY i'm working my way through a bottle of bailey's come hang out w me-
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no, i don't disagree... i don't agree either bc i don't rly know what point you're trying to make here...?In post 188, Imperium wrote:I think that this is a fair thing to say for a majority of people, but I don't really think it's a fair thing to say for mastina. Do you disagree?
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are you asking me if i think mastina, as town, could do a cutsie, cheeky little softclaim like that?
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the split second it happened it SORT OF pinged me but it occurred to me it could just me mastina being mastinaIn post 195, Imperium wrote:
Kind of. Does the cutsie softclaim bother you or are you dismissing it as mastina being mastina?In post 191, Heartless wrote:are you asking me if i think mastina, as town, could do a cutsie, cheeky little softclaim like that?
my larger point in what you quoted was that i don't think other people (prism in this case) being bothered by it is scummy-
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meh
it's not to avoid embarrassment, it's to see if she gets to the same read while blinded to what it is. i find those are usually good ones.
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you... got something to say to me nacho?-
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Hi guys, TTH here! ^_^/
I'm going to be running a few errands over the next couple hours but after that I'll be putting together a few posts and I'll around for the rest of the evening if anyone wants to talk.-
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I'm finally here!
First things first: As you may have surmised by now, Kmd was Anti's scumread. He cited the content of Post 115 as the reason for the scumread, referring to Kmd's Prism vote as a turd of a vote propped up by tells that haven't been relevant since the 00s. Anti has also said his scumread was slightly strengthened by Post 146, describing the style as "snipe-y" and the question to Spiffeh as a throwaway "faux-scumhunting" question.
I did not get the same scumread while reading the game myself, but I do not townread Kmd so I'm good with the vote being there.-
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I think your inability to answer Anti's question points to a fundamental weakness in your argument.In post 184, Polar Vortex wrote:Nothing in particular. My point is that scum likes to control the game by making the discussion all about irrelevant things(for example they tend to focus on things like scumslips or put fire in 1v1s beetween townies)
From personal experience, I think very few scum care about "controlling the game" and more about simply posting things that aren't going to get scumread. As such, the average scum tend to gravitate towards safe, conservative positions. My prediction here is that, regardless of what Notice is, scum probably townread Notice if they weighed in at all. I don't think the theory that Prism is rapacious scum after a Notice mislynch really stands up to a realistic assessment of what Prism thought he could achieve.
Now, could you be a dear and remind me why you're voting Spiffeh? I'm following the discussion and it feels you're just trying to keep pace to stay on a semantics treadmill.-
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Excuse me, ma'am, but what's your source for this information?In post 306, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:TTH prefers being scum.
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I'm also the one posting right now because Anti's doing other things tonight.
You think me being on for one evening is me "taking charge"?-
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The balance is influenced by how well each of us in individually feeling about the game/mafia and even some RL factors. It'shardlyconstant, it's not always on, and it's hard work to get and stay there.
I think expecting to see the magical balance in the first 36 hours of a game with Anti coming off a black-out period and me not having had any hot games recently is unreasonable.-
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That's nice.
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if ur rly scumreading me for not being joke-y and "witty" (which i assume you're not PER SE but you're using to reinforce your read) and being "direct" and "focused", you're essentially scumreading me on the mood i'm in rn.In post 317, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Heartless I've explained my stance on already. Their posting is hollow, artificial. It lacks the strength, it lacks the drive, they should have as town. There's also a lack of whimsy. Antihero in particular is a jokester. Where's the humor? Where's the witty banter? Where's the snide remarks? Where's the snarky dialog? Where's the lightheartedness? They're just so serious. So focused. So direct. So...so unlike everything I know their towngame to be. And their stances are terrible, too. When Heartless is town they have reads I can synergize well with. What they say, what they do, it makes sense. Here, there stances do not.
but ok i'll leave that there since that's all there's to say about that
we can talk about stances
my strongest scumread for a while has been kmd... which we apparently agree on so ok
i don't have a read on spiffeh yet. from context it's looking like it's a tonal / he's not doing anything read which...... i guess i can get in principle? he just hasn't done anything that i explicitly scumread yet.
atp i think maxwell has a reasonable chance of being scum here since the things they HAVE commented on have no rhyme or reason and just seem kinda thrown out there for the sake of just being... ~out there~
aside from kmd being inordinately high in the reads list and the spiffeh read decaying a little quickly for reasons that are kinda ?????, nothing cary's posted has bothered me so far. he's kinda hovering in the null zone rn. (kinda annoying he apparently knows who i am but i don't know who he is but whatev)
what nacho's posted so far is alright but i don't have a super strong feel on imperium yet since i haven't rly interacted w either head directly too much
ashoka i don't rly have a mature opinion on
everyone else i'm on the same page as you rn. i think polar vortex, ginngie, prism are town and vnb is null.Last edited by nancy on Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:31 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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haven't rly thought anything of itIn post 333, Spiffeh wrote:Hey Heartless, what do you guys think of the fact that Tammy hasn't checked in yet?
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Hi Spiffeh! ^_^
What's up?-
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Spoiler:
I'm largely on board with this with a few minor differences.
In Kmd's case, Anti's comment on Kmd's tells being outdated makes me think it's possible its attitudes from previous site metas are influencing the framework it's scumhunting from. At the same time, nothing Kmd has said makes me townread it and its tone doesn't particularly ring town to me so far so I'm still OK with the vote being on it.
I'm not as enchanted with Polar Vortex as Anti apparently is. I think their narrative for Prism being scum is pretty aggressively bad and I'm not stoked about them riding an RVS vote onto a popular wagon.
Cary I have a budding gut townread on from Post 327 and I don't think either of Anti's concerns arethatbig of a deal even if Kmd does end up being scum.
Anti forgot to mention camn, but I liked Post 182 so I've got her as more likely town than scum right now.Last edited by nancy on Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:25 am, edited 2 times in total.-
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In post 294, Heartless wrote:I'm finally here!
First things first: As you may have surmised by now, Kmd was Anti's scumread. He cited the content of Post 115 as the reason for the scumread, referring to Kmd's Prism vote as a turd of a vote propped up by tells that haven't been relevant since the 00s. Anti has also said his scumread was slightly strengthened by Post 146, describing the style as "snipe-y" and the question to Spiffeh as a throwaway "faux-scumhunting" question.
I did not get the same scumread while reading the game myself, but I do not townread Kmd so I'm good with the vote being there.In post 344, Heartless wrote:In Kmd's case, Anti's comment on Kmd's tells being outdated makes me think it's possible its attitudes from previous site metas are influencing the framework it's scumhunting from. At the same time, nothing Kmd has said makes me townread it and its tone doesn't particularly ring town to me so far so I'm still OK with the vote being on it.-
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Sorry to take the snippy bitch route and just naked quote, but we already talked about this.
(OK, you got me I'm actually not sorry at all because Iama snippy bitch. But still...)-
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I'm not sure what Anti's read is inspired by.
For me, it's the contrast between Rogue One and here. You seem a lot more loose and unfiltered this game and even your trolling seems more natural as opposed to cheesy and sycophantic in Rogue One. I think it's unlikely you acquired the ability to fake that in a short amount of time.-
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1, gutIn post 366, Ginngie wrote:I'm just curious what made ya'll switch from scum reading me to townreading me, not about KMD
2, after the vote i thought your ensuing end of the conversation w camn my gut got a "too obnoxious to be scum" feel
3, i thought about ur answer to the "what's your read on mastina?" question and it wasn't rly white knight-y like i interpreted your attack on prism to be-
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'kay i guess that's my next shitter read-
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I was on that night and I knew Anti wasn't going to be.In post 414, Prism wrote:Heartless's kmd read was strange, with TTH explaining Anti's read using quotes...rather than just having Anti check in himself and give the read. Feels like a really forced hydra reaction.
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You think engaging Spiffeh when he outright said he was bored is "forced"?In post 414, Prism wrote:The timing behind #136 is also just forced and stranged for a natural scumread.
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That'sIn post 415, Prism wrote:1) Odd Progression on Spiffehexactlythe issue Anti cited with Cary but early game reads being in flux is not necessarily scummy, See: House Arryn from King's Landing. I don't think it's as much cause for concern as you or Anti think it is.
I'll go ahead and let Cary respond to the rest of 415 but there are a couple weaknesses in the logic chain.
I gut townread 327 because my first instinct is that scum doesn't shade throw on mastina in the clumsy way they did. It's not enough for a legitimate push but it's also potentially pissing off one of the loudest mouths in the gameandhe co-opts mastina herself into it by inviting her to participate? If that's from scum, that's a surprisingly (and pointlessly) ballsy move.-
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Really?In post 420, Prism wrote:Yeah that was a pretty good post from kmd.
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mastina being scum isn't something I'm entertaining right now and you shouldn't be either.-
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it's just as i suspsected
spiffeh is actually a red pepper and a twig of holly dropped into some coffee grounds-
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i think tth is especially and irrationally gunshy about calling cary on going back on spiffeh bc that's what she pushed as scum in kings landing and cary is nowhere close to moving from overall null and the spiffeh progression is indeed not accounted for in cary's posting. a playful slap at mastina with "paranoia" doesn't come off as town to me either
but i guess i better shut up before the harpies arrive to shriek about hydra dissonance so pbpbpbpbpbbppbptptbpptbpptbpt-
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ok... has it ever occurred to you that the reason you haven't ever actually SEEN it is bc it's not actually based on anything real?In post 417, Kmd4390 wrote:Not off the top of my head, but it is basically ALWAYS discussed when someone claims negative utility so the perception that it could happen is enough that a lot of scum won't do it. Either way, I think it's much more likely that mastina claimed negative utility because mastina is negative utility than any kind of tinfoil theory that it benefits scum. If mastina is scum, the claim is probably because of something actually related to mastina's real role.
in md ppl talk about how vigs should shoot lurkers but the overwhelming majority of the time in practice, vigs shoot their scumreads (and why wouldn't they? you draw vig rarely what's the fun in just taking a flamethrower to lurkers?)
but ok that's kind of tangential to the point. you think it was THAT tinfoil that you think only scum would question mastina's claim?
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one head of hydra not being on in the first 36 hours of a game will never be a reason for anythingIn post 447, Spiffeh wrote:Because Tammy being disengaged from the game will ALWAYS be the biggest and most accurate reason to scum read Imperium
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because he doesn't like playing scum and i could see him lurking as scum in this playerlistIn post 459, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Why does spiffeh scum need to lurk instead of do shit, i dont remember him being bad.
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In post 461, Prism wrote:I'm not seeing where Anti gave that reasoning; can one of you elaborate?
right hereIn post 328, Heartless wrote:aside from kmd being inordinately high in the reads list andthe spiffeh read decaying a little quickly for reasons that are kinda ?????, nothing cary's posted has bothered me so far. he's kinda hovering in the null zone rn. (kinda annoying he apparently knows who i am but i don't know who he is but whatev)-
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thisIn post 461, Prism wrote:I don't think the point was to throw shade on mastina. The point was to get mastina to townread them.
also i don't think kmd's analysis of camn was town but ok we'll see what kmd comes up with on catchup-
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explain why this is scummyIn post 474, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Do I have to explain why this is scummy or do you get it