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Nope. Just feeling lazy. Trying to look unhelpful?In post 15, Aubrey wrote:Actually VOTE: Chick you can find that question out for yourself. Trying to look helpful?Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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The analyst can see EVERYTHING once, in the entire game.In post 28, Radical Rat wrote:Okay, I understand your concerns, but hear me out.
The analyst sees EVERYTHING (regarding the switches anyway).
By claiming our priorities now, scum has no opportunity to lie.
That means scummy toggle behavior (i;e switching off a claimed JK) cannot be done anonymously. Scum then has to choose between trying to give them a night advantage, or not being found out immediately.
Of course, this also means that the analyst should not claim until the last possible moment. And that special care should be taken to ensure that the rolecop remains OFF. Forever.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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I won't deny that. I just don't think our best move is to let them know who the top priority players are. It puts our PR's at risk. By keeping it hidden, it lets appropriate town players (read: vanilla) try and draw the night kills. Knowing the priority numbers, scum can just start picking off people higher than them until they have the upper hand.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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I just looked at the role PMs for scum and couldn't find anything about a factional kill. Surely thats not right?In post 37, Realeo wrote:Is this just me or is that mafia has no kill? I control-F the first page and I can't find the word kill
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I never said they correlated. But if scum just picks off people above their highest priority, they can start turning off roles and agin the upper hand.In post 40, Radical Rat wrote:
Priority numbers don't correlate with PRs though.In post 38, Chickadee wrote:I won't deny that. I just don't think our best move is to let them know who the top priority players are. It puts our PR's at risk. By keeping it hidden, it lets appropriate town players (read: vanilla) try and draw the night kills. Knowing the priority numbers, scum can just start picking off people higher than them until they have the upper hand.
If anything, I'd expect more PRs in the low priority for balance purposes, but that's purely speculation.
And while you're right in that scum may try to pick off the high priorities.... We've got a Tracker, Watcher, and JK here. With even a single one of them turned on scum's gonna have problems not being caught if they go that route.
I believe this is a low risk high reward scenario for Town.
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If multiple people target the same person, the higher priority number takes precedent. 1 being the highest priority.In post 55, Keychain wrote:
That seems like it would give scum the advantage of knowing who they need to get out of the way, but without giving the analyst the ability to know exactly who is doing what by being able to identify priority numbers as particular players. Like... defeating the point of the strategy.Aubrey wrote: Would it be better to instead come up with a rating system if we think knowing the toggling numbers is worthwhile? like high. mid. low.
1-4 high
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9 - 13 low
Also I think I'm mixed up. I thought having a high priority number (eg. 1, 2) would mean that the action would be executed first in a sequence, and would therefore be less valuable?
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It's my understanding that regardless of how many people target the same person, the highest priority will take effect. That's the whole point of the priorities.
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Moza, Keychain is fairly new. She's finding her bearings. I still have her as null, but I really think we need to give her time to develop to better read her.
My last experience playing with her seems similar to the experience you're having now. If she is town, and she can point herself in the right direction, she'll be great. She really has potential. If she's scum, I think we'll see it fairly soon.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Answers in red.In post 79, havingfitz wrote:Questions to anyone,Mod too, who may know the answer to these:
1) Can players toggle AND perform actions in the same night?
yes
2) Can a player toggle their own switch?
I don't see why you can't target yourself
EX. If player X is the roleblocker and he/she begins the game switched off....N1 could player X say Toggle:On player X and in the same night then roleblock another player (depending on the answer to question 1)
3) Are there any duplicates of priority numbers or does everyone have a unique number between 1-13? I assume everyone is unique.
Everyone has a unique number
Also...while I'm typically against early (D1 or D2) unnecessary claims, is there any reason not to full claim out of the starting block?
If we are assuming the roles listed are all in the game...then we could reduce our scum pool to 3 out of 7 (barring counterclaims which would be great on D1 as well). 3 out of 7 sounds much better than 3 out of 13 and it also prevents the claimed PRs from targeting each other. Instead focusing their abilities on the smaller pool of scum candidates.
Putting this out there for dicussion....so please don't jump to claim a PR unless a consensus thinks it's a good idea.
And the claims could just be generic such as "I'm a town PR" to make it a little more difficult for scum to nk specific PRs.
Also, I'm gonna need everyone to stop trying to give away information. Just because its an open set up does not mean we need to give out all our information on the front end. Power roles are not claiming. We should not reveal our priority numbers right away. And we're definitely not planning out who to toggle at night. All any of this does is give scum information.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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It's been gone over. It's in the PMs. Oh my god, it's like no one is reading the information given to us.
from the role pms:Switch Ability [Jailkeeper]: You may target a player to be jailkept, which simultaneously protects and roleblocks that player for that Night. Your roleblock does not affect switch alterations.Switch Ability [Roleblocker]: You may target a player, thus causing any attempted actions by this player this Night to fail. They will not be informed in any way that they were roleblocked. Your roleblock will not affect switch alteration attempts.
Please everyone go read the mod posts. There is a wealth of information there.
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In post 97, I Am Innocent wrote:vote chickadee
Felt like there was some rolefishing earlier in post 46, and post 71 felt off to me.
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No, but I spent a whole game hard scum reading her when she was town. We were both town, and both just tunneled on each other.In post 106, I Am Innocent wrote:Have you played with this player when they've been town and scum?
All we're doing is giving scum more information when we start speculating and outing information. I can see how people would come to these conclusions, but it's not helpful to town.In post 107, Mjollnir wrote:Would you not agree that speculating about the setup is part of the game, and that furthermore people's stances and their justification for them on issues such as revealing information may contribute towards scumhunting?
If this is the case then why would you want to stifle such discussion?
And no, I would not say that setup speculation is necessarily part of the game. It's a social deduction game. Deduce, socially. Everyone now-a-days just wants to come in, break the set up and rig the game. And thats why towns suck on this site. No one actually wants to play mafia. Everyone just wants to be a quarterback.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Maybe? That seems like sloppy scum play. And I would interact first before making up my mind.In post 118, Mjollnir wrote:
If somebody comes in with a poorly thought out idea that you feel would help scum, would you peg them as being more likely scum for it?In post 110, Chickadee wrote:And I would argue that I'm nit stifling discussion. I'm trying to get y'all to actually look at player interactions and what people are saying.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Here's the thing guys. If we all claim, power roles die at night. They're the targets. Because scum is def claiming VT. And they're not gonna be killing in the vanilla pool and narrowing down exposing themselves. So we can move in now. We can consider claiming later in the game. We're not claiming D1.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Thank you.In post 144, Realeo wrote:So I just ran some math and I realized that two mafia CC-ing is actually the optimal move for mafia.
If two mafia CC-ing, we are scumhutin' in 9 people pool (4 confirmed town)
It's not exactly that lucrative so I would back down a little bit from proposing this offer, but I still think it's good.
Thank you for giving scum an idea.
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Somewhat haphazardly, but yes. Like I've read everything, but I'm completely emotionally/mentally done with all the set up sec and will-we-wont-we nonsense about claiming.
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While I really appreciate players being conscious of not spamming the game, you're nowhere near close. You don't even have the highest post count. I do.In post 175, Aubrey wrote:This is my 24th post today. Yes, I need to cool down. Go into the mafia discussion threads. You'll find a number of threads with players bitching about ppl who post way to much. I know I'm one of those players who can post overboard at times. This isn't me opening myself up to start lurking. Far from it.
When people say they're tired of people spamming games, it's because games are reaching like 20 pages in an hour or 2 and it's impossible to keep up.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Aubrey town, inno town
Key town lean
Moza seems sketch, but can't quite put my finger on anything specific. Null scum there.
I need to go back through some things when I have more time. Theres a lot of players I just need more from.
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What exactly are you referring to here?In post 201, Realeo wrote:Well great mind think alike.
Chickadee triggered me because it seems inconsistent.
At one point, she is risk averse.
At another point, she scold me for screwing my own plan.
But why would a risk averse person be angry for a scrapped risky plan? A risk averse person should be glad for a scrapped risky plan.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Lets call it gut. And the fact that she's new.In post 204, I Am Innocent wrote:
So if you've never seen her scum game, why are you so confident if she's scum that "I think we'll see it fairly soon."In post 109, Chickadee wrote:
No, but I spent a whole game hard scum reading her when she was town. We were both town, and both just tunneled on each other.In post 106, I Am Innocent wrote:Have you played with this player when they've been town and scum?
In post 71, Chickadee wrote:Moza, Keychain is fairly new. She's finding her bearings. I still have her as null, but I really think we need to give her time to develop to better read her.
My last experience playing with her seems similar to the experience you're having now. If she is town, and she can point herself in the right direction, she'll be great. She really has potential. If she's scum, I think we'll see it fairly soon.
Oh, so monkey see monkey do? I suppose telling telling y'all to move on isn't enough.In post 205, I Am Innocent wrote:
No talking about setup spec when trying to guide switches or discuss a mass claim is critical to ensuring that we aren't just doing things willy nilly and possibly screwing up. Yes there is the danger of giving info to scum, but from my experience a team of a few scum outside the newbie forum usually gets it anyway.In post 109, Chickadee wrote:
All we're doing is giving scum more information when we start speculating and outing information. I can see how people would come to these conclusions, but it's not helpful to town.In post 107, Mjollnir wrote:Would you not agree that speculating about the setup is part of the game, and that furthermore people's stances and their justification for them on issues such as revealing information may contribute towards scumhunting?
If this is the case then why would you want to stifle such discussion?
And no, I would not say that setup speculation is necessarily part of the game. It's a social deduction game. Deduce, socially. Everyone now-a-days just wants to come in, break the set up and rig the game. And thats why towns suck on this site. No one actually wants to play mafia. Everyone just wants to be a quarterback.
On the flip side, I do get nervous when the majority of the conversation is on setup spec, as it allows scum to hide behind discussing it and not forced to fake game play. I'm a few pages behind but at some point an ISO of each player over the first X pages to see who is doing this may give some clues to who is scum.
I have not seen you point out any player interactions to this point. What have I missed?In post 110, Chickadee wrote:And I would argue that I'm nit stifling discussion. I'm trying to get y'all to actually look at player interactions and what people are saying.
And setup spec is not helpful when we have 9 pages of it and nothing else.
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I'm not so much scolding you for screwing your own plan. I'm face palming at you telling mafia their best strategy in a mass claim.In post 224, Realeo wrote:Thia one ChickIn post 171, Chickadee wrote:
Thank you.In post 144, Realeo wrote:So I just ran some math and I realized that two mafia CC-ing is actually the optimal move for mafia.
If two mafia CC-ing, we are scumhutin' in 9 people pool (4 confirmed town)
It's not exactly that lucrative so I would back down a little bit from proposing this offer, but I still think it's good.
Thank you for giving scum an idea.
Rule 1, don't help scum. Let them figure out their own best strategy.
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Nos, you should read. There are some good insights in there amongst all the setup spec. And it's not even that long.
I just got home from a long long day, and have another longish day tomorrow. I'll be on tomorrow night. Maybe a bit in the morning, but most likely not. Definitely not long if at all. Tomorrow night is good for me though. Weekends in general are bad for me, since that's when I work. I'm free all week though. I'll catch up a bit better then. I've skimmed everything and know the gist of what's happened in the last page or two.
I have no reason to still be voting Keychain, so
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Moza, I have to agree with what people are pointing out. Your reads look super lazy. And your jump from putting me in town, then null, and now possible scum is an interesting progression to say the least.
You've had a lot of "interesting progressions" this game.
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This is the last time I mentioned Moza. So please tell me where my 180 wasIn post 180, Chickadee wrote:Moza seems sketch, but can't quite put my finger on anything specific. Null scum there.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Are we reading the same game?
Moza has flipped his opinions around completely multiple times in short time spans with no explanations.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Ah, that makes a lot more sense.In post 321, Radical Rat wrote:
Well it's right there! Post 180!In post 318, Chickadee wrote:
This is the last time I mentioned Moza. So please tell me where my 180 wasIn post 180, Chickadee wrote:Moza seems sketch, but can't quite put my finger on anything specific. Null scum there.
Joking aside, I think there's a misunderstanding.
I'm referring to Moza's 180 on you, not the other way around.
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In post 325, mozamis wrote:
I AM GIVING OUT READS. AND CHANGING MY OPINIONS AS TEH AFCTS CHANGE. YOU MAKE A SCUMMY POST, I CHANGE MY MIND.In post 319, Chickadee wrote:Moza has flipped his opinions around completely multiple times in short time spans with no explanations.
I have probably been the most transparent person in this game.
You are either being very dense, or you are scum. What happend to you being really busy at the weekend? And your other reads?
I have been busy all weekend. I worked all day yesterday, and then passed out, and then went to my normal Saturday night thing. And then I worked all day today. So don't use that as a reason to scum read me.
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I have Aubrey, Rat and Key as town. I'll keep Inno in my town lean pile.
Anyone have thoughts on FormerFish? I don't have enough there.
There's not enough on Fitz for me, so I'm not sure where that town read is coming from. Someone care to explain? I'll also go through their ISO. They're been on VLA so I don't really recall much from them.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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In post 356, I Am Innocent wrote:
Interesting.In post 309, Chickadee wrote:Moza, I have to agree with what people are pointing out. Your reads look super lazy. And your jump from putting me in town, then null, and now possible scum is an interesting progression to say the least.
You've had a lot of "interesting progressions" this game.
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For Key, we can chalk it up to mostly gut. I'm a gut player. That's just something you'll have to get over. But overall, I like that she's looking at multiple angles.In post 360, I Am Innocent wrote:
Why is Key town?In post 350, Chickadee wrote:I have Aubrey, Rat and Key as town. I'll keep Inno in my town lean pile.
Anyone have thoughts on FormerFish? I don't have enough there.
There's not enough on Fitz for me, so I'm not sure where that town read is coming from. Someone care to explain? I'll also go through their ISO. They're been on VLA so I don't really recall much from them.
Fitz and Rat were the two most animated as far as pushing thoughts on plans go. It's been said before, I don't see mafia trying to garner that much attention early on. Reason I like Nos too, his early antics were begging for votes, so prob not scum either.
Fitz has 8 posts. The only one that starts to verge on impressive is the one where they break down the math. Not a very impressive move in my book. It takes more than math to win me over.
I was just emotionally done with set up spec and wanted to move on. Being emotionally done, I was verging on becoming uninvested.In post 361, I Am Innocent wrote:
"I'm trying to get y'all to actually look at player interactions and what people are saying."In post 353, Chickadee wrote:I don't know what to tell you Into. You haven't really left me with questions. You're barking up the wrong tree though.
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I was under the impression you knew what was going on when you made this post. Now you're catching up from the beginning.In post 214, Formerfish wrote:
This is townChick through and through.In post 71, Chickadee wrote:Moza, Keychain is fairly new. She's finding her bearings. I still have her as null, but I really think we need to give her time to develop to better read her.
My last experience playing with her seems similar to the experience you're having now. If she is town, and she can point herself in the right direction, she'll be great. She really has potential. If she's scum, I think we'll see it fairly soon.
Please explain.
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You also have only played with me as scum.In post 395, mozamis wrote:so your reads are formerfish?
quick breakdown, gut reads. So far you've provided a lot of info w/out analysis.
And as for Chick, I'm gonna bung in neutral. She's a pain in the arse, but pain- in- the- arses are so often town. However, i@ve played with her before, and she's good at scum, so she IS capable of this level of involvement.
Likwise wih Nos, rhough gut is tellling me he is town OMGUSing mw. I'm not entirely sure wqhy he doesnt like me, but he votes me inevery game we play. I think it's because i dared to tell him to post more when we were scum together once. My guess is his ego couldmnt handle that, and I'm now on hs blacklist lol
Whatver. He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.
IAI looks quite good, but he always does, so fuck knows.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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So, you are your only solid town read?
Counting your posts was not my goal. When I mentioned that it's because people were town reading you and I went back to double check why. The quantity is not so much the reason you're not in my town pile. It's just kind of a fact. The reason you're not in my town pile is because in those limited posts, there's nothing for me to town read you for.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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Reading back through the Moza stuff, I don't think he's our best lynch today. The reads are still sketchy af, but I think Moza is just a wishy washy player. I don't get the sense that he's looking at anything too critically, but that could just be bad town.
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Aubrey, rat, key, inno, nos town (to varying degrees)
Undecided on Moz, but not lynching today
Also in ^ pile Realeo
That means my lynch pool is in
FF's replacement
Raya
Fitz
Mjol
Allo
I'm gonna look through those 5 ISO's today. We need to start narrowing this down.
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my lynch pool is in
Fitz
Mjol
Allo
Still need more from Raya, but what's there looks town.
Waiting on a replacement for FF. Would rather not lynch an empty slot, especially when there isn't much to go on for that slot to begin with.
I think ultimately for me today, it comes down to Mjol or Allo, and the majority of people seems to be for Allo. They haven't done much to sway me toward town.
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wtf MozaIn post 475, mozamis wrote:
We need to give his replacement hell when he replaces in. Role Pm is role pm. Formerfish's repacement is guilty until proved innocent.In post 454, Formerfish wrote:Hey guys, I've requested replacement. I'm sorry to everyone for this, but I feel like I am having a mental breakdown due to real life issues and trying to keep up and think critically is becoming increasingly difficult.
I don't know if I'll be on site for awhile and this town deserves better than what I can provide right now.
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Seems like a good time to reevaluate then?In post 512, havingfitz wrote:Two of my three suspects are voting my 3rd suspect with two of my townreads. blehInstagram: BoneSpellArts
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I don't know how I feel about you wanting our "permission" however I don't really see any other way the day is going to go.In post 526, Radical Rat wrote:Intent to hammer Allomancer, upon request from at least two (2) folks on the wagon, or at the 24 hour mark.
I don't have much else to say that hasn't been discussed already.
Though I am townreading Flubber
It just seems like you're trying to look town. And that worries me, because I'm already town reading you.Instagram: BoneSpellArts
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