Mini 1942 - Switchboard 2 [Game Over]

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quack

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VOTE: Raya

too many R's

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affecting

ftfy

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This is a really odd middle ground to take. W

again, i dont like this, it looks like "shade".
The guy clearly wasnt quite sure what to do, which seems reasonable in a CONFUSING AS HELL game like this lol

Yeah, Keychain can get a vote

VOTE KEYCHAIN

this is a bad vote

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I'mma just wait til page 20 to catch up proper

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are we actually still setup speccing

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it just makes me not want to read since its stuff i dont care about zz

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If a number of us have been able to start generating reads/leans, and been able to pressure one another between the spec talk, I don't see why you can't. You're using the spec talk as an excuse to not put much work into the game.

VOTE: Nosferatu

Chick holds the same view you do, but that didn't stop her from being an active participant.

i know i can
i dont want to
thus i dont

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why sign up to play then?

i didnt sign up for 10 pages of setup spec

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Cool. This can get roped.

if you're willing to lynch over this, obviously your setup spec hasn't been as important as you'd like to imply.

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When did I argue or even imply that spec setup was the ideal/important way to approach the game? I've said no such thing.
If you don't like spec set up, that's fine with me. What's not fine with me is when you're doing little to nothing, and using the spec talk as the excuse for why you're just being idle.

if you think you can actually solve the game with setup spec, and the instant someone says "naw fam" you feel the need to vote them and immediately say they can get roped, evidently there was no reason for me to read since you managed to find a read with a massive dearth of setup spec involved.

I'm not reading, because what I have to read is stupid, and there's no way you can justify not thinking that's a reasonable train of thought.

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you're scum
VOTE: moz

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in the 1 page I've seen of you, you've spent your time asking two loaded questions and I doubt your ISO gets better

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instinctively, i'm against that. mass claims give scum even more info.

tho mayb ein this case it doesnt matter?

i'm priority 4

shitty progression

vote i am innocent

played with years ago...

RVS to RVS

Town: Moz, Chick,Radical,Raya, realo.
So 3 scum in 8!

personal scumtell but whatever

I'm not going to claim my priority just yet. I'd rather hash it out first.
The way mozamis jumped to claim before Rat had explained in full was suspicious

I'm not going to claim my priority just yet. I'd rather hash it out first. The way mozamis jumped to claim before Rat had explained in full was suspicious

"jumped" is a scummy, misreppy way of putting it. I in fact i had qualms, as is quite obvious if you look back over it.

fos keychain

fos but no vote?

This is a really odd middle ground to take. W

again, i dont like this, it looks like "shade".
The guy clearly wasnt quite sure what to do, which seems reasonable in a CONFUSING AS HELL game like this lol

Yeah, Keychain can get a vote

VOTE KEYCHAIN

this is actually the worst vote in game

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@Moz What about suggesting a mass claim makes you think Radrat is town?

it's so unlikely to come from scum. sure, really clever/confident/gambity scum might try it, but it's really stickin gyour neck out early on, which MOST scum avoid. Plus in this specific case, he seems like he is thinking about the game, "game solving" etc
All town stuff.

this is actually the single most bullshit read in the entire game

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I forgot to add that one to the quote wall

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Not sure if he is paranoid scum or emotional town.

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OK, I get what you are saying here, scum sometimes do try and lurk their way through the beginning of a game. However it just seems suspect that all of your scumreads are either perenniel lurkers or players that haven't really posted much and you happen to townread all the big-hitters for mostly fairly incidental reasons.

because they're manufactured and fake

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Nosferatu:

Seeing as we have mostly stopped talking about setup spec, would you be willing to give thoughts on the 3 most recent pages at least? Also what is the benefit of leaving it to Page 20 or so before reading through a game?

Well I think I've responded to much of what I've cared about these last three pages.

Page 20 is a good place to assume that setup spec is over

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quick overview/captain obvious.
Less than 10 posts. = Formerfish, Nos, Allomancer, Raya, Havingfitz, keychain, Mollignir.
I'm town readin Raya. Fitz's posts have been chunky (altho lot of spec/logic stuff, but give him a pass for now).
So decent chance of scum in Former, Nos, Allo, keychain, mollignir.

Quite like Keychain's "fuckoff moz, i'm town" approach, quite often a town response.
So scum in Former, Nos, Allo, Mollignir?

(obviously flaw here is that some of these will be town lurkers, but i'd bet anyhting there is one scum in that four)

Like this is bullshit

he's literally just forming his scumteam from post count. Any time some at least moderately starts posting again, he moves them up. He's actually not even trying to make his reads seem real.

Nos is literally just making up excuses at this point.
VOTE: Nosferatu

excuses for what?

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Not playing, not scum hunting, not doing anything!

lol except I've done all of those things. You're scum too.

Mjollnir just asked me why I arbitrarily chose page 20 for when I would catch up. You're literally just making up an excuse to vote me.

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you've actually done less than me LMAO

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Sorry I wasn't able to say anything earlier. I didn't check my email last night and was too busy today to log on.
Anyway, I think we should hold off on the mass-claim. While I understand the logic in 114, I also want to point out that scum has no idea who the PR roles are, so their kills are random, but town can use logic to find out who the scum is, so town voting will not be random. Town has a higher chance of lynching scum than simply random, assuming this town is competent. Also, since PR will claim before lynched, town will most likely not lynch a PR.

This is actually one of the most braindead posts I've read in awhile. I don't mean that intelligence-wise, I mean that this is actually the least thought I've seen put into a post.

I also want to point out that scum has no idea who the PR roles are, so their kills are random, but town can use logic to find out who the scum is, so town voting will not be random.

???
This doesn't even make sense. Like scum aren't going to be PR hunting like they do in literally every game? What? What info does either party have that makes their actions inherently random or not? If you're arguing that one party can use logic and the other can't, you're beyond help.

Town has a higher chance of lynching scum than simply random, assuming this town is competent.

this is just plainly illogical

Also, since PR will claim before lynched, town will most likely not lynch a PR.

you're also just assuming that we'll believe the claim

This entire post reads as you just opposing the mass claim because you think it's a townie thing to do or something.

You forget that the PRs can actually do stuff. They aren't just figureheads. Yes, scumhunting in 13 ppl is hard, but the JK can try to JK scum. The Tracker and Watcher can also help us get information about who's scum. With a mass-claim, we lose these advantages early on.

no we don't. scum has to choose. VT's can also fakeclaim as PRs. There's so many variables that you're just willfully excluding.

You do realize that even though you did do something good, you still shouldn't use that as an excuse the help scum, right? To me this seems really suspicious, like you're being deliberately obtuse in order to have an excuse to post that so that you could get a message to your scum partners. VOTE: Realeo

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think this is town nos, hes way more onvolved than whenhe is scum

there it is

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1) why would i do any of that as scum?

this is less of "why would I do that" and more of a "how did i manage to get caught" kind of deal fam

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I AM GIVING OUT READS. AND CHANGING MY OPINIONS AS TEH AFCTS CHANGE. YOU MAKE A SCUMMY POST, I CHANGE MY MIND.
I have probably been the most transparent person in this game.
You are either being very dense, or you are scum. What happend to you being really busy at the weekend? And your other reads?

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Ya Rlly.

Why a weird progression is a scummy thing?

While weird progression is a scummy thing, its not what moz is doing. Moz's progression is false. Not real. Fabricated. Imagined. An imitation. Artificial. Synthetic. Simulated. Ersatz. Faux. Bogus. Forged. Fraudulent. Inauthentic. Contrived. Spurious.

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It's alright. Everyone's wrong now and then. You'll get used to it

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Although maybe you are just thick. A lot of people are. Not Nos though! He knows how to be pleonastic, always a sign of an...average mind. Keep up the googling, Nos!

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mfw i should have forced myself to read through uninteresting unnecessary filler content that did nothing to further the gamestate in any significant manner

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its reverse triangulation

duh

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Like when I started to read them my brain went numb and next thing i knew i was onto the next post.

does it not make sense to you that the time you spent with your eyes glazed over was a waste of time?

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Likwise wih Nos, rhough gut is tellling me he is town OMGUSing mw. I'm not entirely sure wqhy he doesnt like me, but he votes me inevery game we play. I think it's because i dared to tell him to post more when we were scum together once. My guess is his ego couldmnt handle that, and I'm now on hs blacklist lol
Whatver. He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.

If I didn't like you I'd just ignore your slot like I do with mollie. The fact that you need to try this hard to discredit my line of reasoning is indicative enough of your alignment.

if moz flips town, actually powerlynch me tomorrow.

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in that game you actually posted less than me too so idek what my point of contention would be there fam

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i'm sure i criticised you for something in the Mafia PT, thats why you dont like me? May have got that wrong. I'm trying to understand why you vote me every game we're in. Onbv you might be scum, but i think you're town OMGUSing. Ah, maybe cos i called you scum early this game?

I vote you in every game we're in cause one of us is scum in every game we're in.

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its also not fair to say "every game" when I'm scum in 2/3 of them.

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He's still prob town tho. If we need an end dfay lurker lynch though, he could be a candidate, since he's a borderline troll.

?
If we need an end of day "lurker" lynch... we could lynch someone who is probably town... because you don't like how they play. And they also happen to be pushing you. This is such a scummy thing to say.

gee i wonder why hes saying scummy things

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it's like the scoratci method

socratic method

ah yes, the socratic method. Otherwise known to normal people of this site: throwing mud and seeing what sticks.

gee i wonder why hes saying scummy things

you gonna engage in rational debate with me and change your mind, or just gonna vote park/mindlessly tunnell/be a dick all game?

I don't want a rational debate with you. Hence why I haven't asked you a single question. I want you hung.

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This is what i mean about you trolling.
Either play the game, or replace out.

I am playing the game. My wincon says I've gotta lynch the scum. You're the scum. I see no problems here.

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Wouldn't I be considered a troll since i'm not engaging in dialog with him?

no because you're scumreading me and not him.

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I find that trying to convince your scumread that they're scum is pretty futile - why do you want Nos to engage with you?

i think he's town, and he thinks i scum, so obv. i want him to change his mind.

The guy just wants to troll me and argue the toss with me, since i dared crticise him in a mafia PT once, and he hasnt forgive me for it.

let me get this straight

I'm trolling

because I don't want to interact with you

despite the fact that there's actually no reason for me to initiate any sort of questioning with you.

You're pushing the blame on me for this dynamic when it's literally just you. I'm not ignoring you. If you asked me a question I'd respond. But you haven't done that and instead you've chosen this weird thing where you argue that my ego is hurt because you "criticized" me?
I honestly didn't even remember what happened but I mean I looked over it and I don't see why I would be mad of all people?
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Correct me if you have some different view of what happened but from what I'm seeing:
[moz was lurking is almost being lynched and starts flurryposting]
Nos: moz why are you flailing
Moz: what im just trying to get fykus lynched
Moz: why are you a fail (It made more sense verbatim)
Nos: you were lurking and then you started spamming under pressure it looks weird
Moz: *rages*
Nos: I've been scumreading you all game I can't just flip that at the turn of the hat; just chill
Nos: I'm not the one about to be lynched so don't start raging <-- I assume this is me being upset

So I'm not really getting why

I

am getting mad, so it doesn't feel like a genuine effort from you to understand my mindset. It just feels like you need to find a way to dismiss it, and we had a five minute spat in scumchat that you wanted to twist into me being mad and trolling you for it? I don't know, don't really wanna know either. You're not my audience, idk why you think I should be addressing you in any way. I'm not convincing

you

that you're scum.

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moz and allo are my preferred lynches for today, I'm fine comprimising, but I'd real rather not.

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really

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Allomancer has been prodded.

This is a lie. I did not receive a prod PM. I call BS on the mod and will not post until I receive a proper prod.

brilliant

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VOTE: allo

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are two people catching up at once

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If it comes down to Moz or Allo, I'm going after Allo. Don't know why everyone is in love with Nosferatu, but whatever.

ive just got that lovable personality!

wish irl people knew

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VOTE: moz

Nos looks a little better when they scumhunt (though allo vote is still awful) and moz is too opaque

even moz is busing dude

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Nosferatu and Allomancer:

Posts 246 & 248 are pretty concerning really, why are you complaining about us setup speccing at this point rather than actually going ahead and trying to scumhunt? Where is your curiosity and your want to actually scumhunt?

"why aren't you trying to scumhunt durr"
why are you creating pages of things i dont want to read? If I'm not reading pages how am I going to scumhunt? If the pages I have to read are uninteresting to me, why would I be curious about them? Like all of your questions are self-answering.

the logic doesn't make any sense as Aubrey at no point was crazy about setup speccing, he's been scumhunting as much as anybody in this game, I cannot tell if this is deliberatly disingenuous or not

lol he doesn't know what hyperbole is

he said literally the post before that he is not setup speccing and you totally ignored that.

no he didn't. He said he didn't think it was the optimal way to play.

And then a couple of posts later you say Mozamis is scum despite the fact you say it's all been setup speccing and there is nothing worth reading in the game

except the bit where I say very explicitly what I'm voting moz for isn't setup spec cause uhh
its on the same page
where I complain about PREVIOUS pages
that contain spec
which kind of implies that its
idk
stopped now.

Is it just dumb luck you called a player scum on a whim and then found you could actually make a reasonable case against him having not been reading the game at all and bragging about it?

It's possible sure, you may have simply been cherry-picking all the worst parts of Mozamis' posts and making an ad hoc case on her being scum, is there a reason for you to do this as town

Alright James Joyce, I'm gonna need you to rewrite this bit so I can parse it.

If the latter is true, then Post 268 where you call Mozamis' townread on Rat bullshit is very interesting, as that townread was based on Rat being willing to stick his neck out and be noticed.

If I'm scum then my scumpost is interesting? Hello?

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Surprising that neither Aubrey nor Nos have unvoted at a claim. If there's a CC, it's easy enough to put a vote back on.

not everyone has posted post-claim
if there's a hammer without a consensus on the validity of the claim they're scum
far less effort than unvoting, waiting, and then voting instead of just waiting

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I don't have any alignment pull for Flub.

same

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ok aubrey can be town I guess

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Nosferatu, I asked a question to Allomancer I was meant to ask you and it somehow slipped my mind. There had been a fair amount of non-setup speccing content in the game by Page 10, why did you want to avoid reading that? Clearly you must have known it was there, you had to read the game pages after all to know that we had been setup speccing a fair amount.

I would've had to sift through setup spec for that.

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instead of looking for needles in haystacks I left the farm

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hmm moz is doing scummy things, who could've predicted this

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oh wait fuck thats a main wagon now
VOTE: moz

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i didnt answer IAI's questions because they seemed "lawyer like" i.e bullshit lol i guess when you think someones scum, you don't want to bother.
I'd rather answer questions from town i.e chick, radical. even Nos, if he can be mature enough to be civil.

I'm perfectly civil

I don't have anything to ask you.

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oh mjollnir made a big boy post

i guess ill read it

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Well this heavily implies that your initial vote for Mozamis was not on a whim, and you had that evidence already there before you placed that vote down. This therefore would mean that you had in fact been reading through the pages you claimed you hadn't been reading because of all the setup spec!

no it doesn't. I saw moz scumpost, and then read through his ISO. The thing that lets me read without sifting through setup spec.

in the 1 page I've seen of you, you've spent your time asking two loaded questions and I doubt your ISO gets better

^ here's me specifically saying his ISO

I still haven't read those pages between moz's keychain vote and me complaining about setup spec

probably never will

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But what's extremely interesting is that once Allomancer became a big wagon, well you immediately stopped digging that tunnel! You suddenly claimed that you were fine with lynching one of the two and put him at L-1.

???
Why does it matter which one dies first?

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To reference your answers in Post 592, that we were apparently creating pages you can't be arsed to read, well at this point that is surely bollocks. We haven't setup specced for a while now and yet all you've STILL done is tunnel on Mozamis and a bit on Allomancer when he looked viable.

I've pretty obviously been reading the game for awhile now buddy

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Either you are scum putting on an act to appear disinterested in the game and look like too much of an easy target or you are telling the truth about being disinterested in the game and have an actual excuse to be putting in zero effort to scumhunt. The fact you are contantly finding reasons to scumhunt Mozamis, and then reacted to the Allomancer wagon and put him at L-1, that does not look like someone disintrested in the game.

Because I'm not...disinterested...in the game...

I haven't been for awhile now. Ever since I uh... started posting

I don't know what you mean by "constantly finding reasons to scumhunt moz" love for some elaboration on that.

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No Nosferatu, the two loaded questions you were referring to came from that page, not the beginning of the ISO which is where you would have gotten the rest of that evidence for your post backing up your vote on Mozamis. You claimed you hadn't read anything of her content barring those two questions and thus according to that you cannot have started reading the ISO. And yet now you are saying that you read the posts you used to back up your vote before you placed the vote?

If you cannot keep your story straight here, then how do you expect me to believe that you were being truthful before?

???
I read his loaded question
then read his ISO

what's hard to understand here?

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in the 1 page I've seen of you, you've spent your time asking two loaded questions and I doubt your ISO gets better

1 page I've seen = the 1 page I've seen his posts on aka the only page I've been posting in

it does. read it, then unvote.

^^ he legit tells me to read his ISO

instinctively, i'm against that. mass claims give scum even more info.

-snip-

my ad hoc "case" starts from beginning of his posts

It's amazing to me that you can try to not get what's going on here.

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(Pretentious aside: Reckon Freud would say that Chick is voting Moz/Mom because subconsciously she has identified Moz with her Mom, who she doesnt like because of the Electra complex)

complexes are more of a Jung thing aren't they?

But what's extremely interesting is that once Allomancer became a big wagon, well you immediately stopped digging that tunnel! You suddenly claimed that you were fine with lynching one of the two and put him at L-1.

???
Why does it matter which one dies first?

Point is you wagon hopped when it was convenient for you to do so, your reasons for disliking Allo before were hypocritical.

I mean, you could have fooled me that you're not disinterested. All you've done is tunnel Moz (which is what I mean by keep finding reasons to scumhunt him) and do a little bit of light digging on Allomancer.

Hypocrisy aside, you're absolutely right that I wagon hopped when it was convenient to do so. I will at any time no matter what game I'm in, vote the scumread with the highest amount of votes or momentum, barring a specific reasoning that makes me prefer one scum over the other.

oh mjollnir made a big boy post

i guess ill read it

For the record, he's 25 and you're 16. There's being cute & funny, then there's just being disrespectful. He's not replying to you saying, "

Oh look the baby is goo-goo-gah-gaahing! better give him some attention!

" If you said something like the above to me, I'd be extremely frustrated with you.

I'm not belittling him like that. Big boy literally just meant long to me. It's a phrase I use a lot. Wasn't trying to be disrespectful. Yet.

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I also don't see what age has to do with the perceived insult

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I don't scumread Allo for effort. I don't like to read people for effort. People tryhard as scum. I scumread him because his posts are contrived and transparently scum.

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How were those questions even loaded anyway? You even answered one of them.

The timing on you finding Allo scummy was convenient to say the least, and if you aren't reading people for effort then:

This is actually one of the most braindead posts I've read in awhile. I don't mean that intelligence-wise, I mean that this is actually the least thought I've seen put into a post.

Why is this included?

Thought!=effort. Although to be fair, it can be morning time for anyone. I don't think my finding him scummy was convenient, he just posted something dumb to me so I read back on his posts and found it to be scummy.

And yeah, it did come across as being impolite I will admit but I chose to ignore it because it's not the point of the game. Aubrey is right though, if you are wondering why people are perceiving you as lacking civility, phrasing like that may have something to do with it.

I can answer questions even if you don't like how I answer them. Just cause I don't speak queen's english and drink with my pinky up (i actually do but that's beside the point) doesn't make me an aboriginal.

A man in his mid-early 20's (or older) isn't going to want a mid-teen saying to him, "

look at you, making a big boy post.

" which is how your line is interpreted. I apologize for chastising you now knowing what you really meant, but that is a phrase typically used towards a child. I'd be cautious of using that phrase for future reference, because it can be easily seen as degrading.

Yeah but I didn't say "look at you, making a big boy post". You've added tone and wording to my post that wasn't there. If I wanted to say "look at you, making a big boy post," I would've said that, or I would've added some emoji or some shit to show how overtly condescending I wanted to be. I already said I didn't mean to be disrespectful with that post, so you explaining it to me is unneeded.

Also back to the point of age, condescension surpasses age. It would've been equally if not more offensive if he were younger than me. Hence why I said age shouldn't matter.

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How were those questions even loaded anyway? You even answered one of them.

I'll just start by saying I answered the first one because I don't think that asking one loaded question the way he did is

that

bad. But when you do it again it's like ????

As for why they're loaded, I cannot even verbalise why they are terrible questions (maybe loaded was the wrong word to use). That's how bad they are. I go to sleep and see those questions in my dreams, only to wake up in a cold sweat. Those questions killed my mother. Those questions are the business conglomerate that sold my childhood home on a technicality and turned it into a condo. Those questions took my legs. Those questions bullied me in middle school. Those questions wrecked my car. Those questions made my girlfriend leave me. Those questions are why my parents divorced. Those egregious questions are responsible for the sacking and pillaging of an Assyrian village in Mesopotamia 5 thousand years ago. Those questions killed the dinosaurs. Those questions created the supermassive blackhole at the centre of the milky way.

So as to not completely dodge the question, I'll ask you, what does moz gain from asking me those questions?

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sure I feel you

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It's a really semantic point and I have a huge propensity to get stuck on things like that anyway, it's not even on you.

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So as to not completely dodge the question, I'll ask you, what does moz gain from asking me those questions?

Without wishing to deflect, I find it curious how you feel the need to get me to explain what I feel his motivation was for asking these questions, but you'd rather go off on a long hypobolic spiel about how awful the questions were than maybe ask the source itself why he is asking those questions and what possible town motivation he may have for this.

I am willing to put forth my answers but I feel I should check whether you want to present this to Mozamis first.

moz isn't the one that had a problem with me calling his questions loaded lol

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oh wait fuck thats a main wagon now
VOTE: moz

You're only voting because it's a wagon. Scummy as hell.

like shit like this how do you town read this?

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It may be my bias with how I like to scumhunt, but I would have thought maybe you would have called him out directly to explain why he's asking those questions if you feel they are loaded rather than try and get a third part reaction to it, but I suppose I see what you are saying.

I typically don't interact with my scumreads like that. idk why, it just doesn't occur to me.

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It may be my bias with how I like to scumhunt, but I would have thought maybe you would have called him out directly to explain why he's asking those questions if you feel they are loaded rather than try and get a third part reaction to it, but I suppose I see what you are saying.

Anyway, as I have said you openly saying that you are disinterested in what is happening in the game instantly raises questions, it instantly makes you appear anti-town and means you will most likely be a talking point for the next couple of pages at least. Given how unusual the move is it seems only natural to ask why you signed up when you show an active disinterest in the game to try and work out what the reasoning behind you being unwilling to try and at least look through the setup spec for stuff you can scumhunt with, it doesn't take a lot of effort to just ignore certain posts after all.

The question about your reads is more obvious and I have no idea how this could be construed as a loaded question, it's a standard question from what I can see, asking if you've happened to see anything at least. If a player hasn't contributed at all I like to ask them what their reads are so if they are scum they can't simply fencesit, they have to show some level of commitment and have to choose how to read their buddies and why.

To the first question: How would I know ahead of time that setup spec would be a major talking point for ~10 pages? How would I be able to factor that into me wanting to sign up for the game? What answer could I give that would let him know that I'm scum? What's the town answer to that question?

To the second question: How would I have reads if I hadn't read the game? This question, I'll actually ask moz what he wanted to see from this question.

Unless that last vote was a hammer.

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it wasn't right? probably not. whatever. Wanna hear moz's answer as to what he wanted.

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destroyer of worlds

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complexes are more of a Jung thing aren't they?

lol as i wrote that i wondered if:
1) ELectra compex was Jung
2) Whether Nos would be pedantic enough to mention it.

and you did! big surprise lol
And I say pedantic because the oedipus complex was Freud and i THINK - and no doubt you will google it - the Electra complex was Jung. But as far as iunderatnd Jung basically just shifted Freud's idea onto girls.

Could this be more irrelevant to the game lol

I just didn't think Freud did much with complexes, I really just regard them as Jung expanding on Freud's work and giving it an overarching name. I didn't know that Freud came up with any complex lol.

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whoever hammers please make it a page bottom

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Wanna hear moz's answer as to what he wanted.

What question? and I'll only respond to a question that has no snark.

Why did you ask what my reads were when I started talking about not reading?

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Like what did you wanna see

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b) Well you put Mozamis in your suspects pile before (in Post 452 and you haven't mentioned him in your ISO since. What makes you reluctant to hammer?

This game needs more drama!

This is my favourite gif now

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never got to hear what moz wanted from me when he asked for my reads

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hmm

should re-evaluate.

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Well the first alarm bell that should've gone off in my head is the startling lack of scum reads on moz...

:: Final Day One VoteCount ::

mozamis (7) -

Radical Rat, I Am Innocent, Flubbernugget, Nosferatu, Chickadee, Realeo, Keychain

[Lynched]

Nosferatu (3) -

Allomancer, Aubrey, Mjollnir

I Am Innocent (1) -

mozamis

Chickadee (1) -

havingfitz

Not Voting (1) -

Raya36

Lynch has been reached at 7 votes.

Modscene forthcoming....

As much as it sucks to say it, it's pretty unlikely more than one scum was off that moz wagon. I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

I still would like to think Aubrey and Mjollnir are town.

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IF I had to choose two scum on the wagon just gun to my head, I'd say Realeo and Inno

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{aubrey, mjoll}
{key, radical}
{raya, fitz, inno}
{flub}
{moz, allo}
^ my reads as of yesterday that I will have to fix since they were bad :'(

probably will ISO everyone on the moz wagon first with priority on {fitz, mjoll, flub} since those were chick's last scumreads, and I didn't really see any lynchbait in there so I find it unlikely scum would go for a framejob here.

Kinda lazy so I don't think that I'll get done with all of those today, but it's fair to say that I should be able to get one ISO done today.

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Flipped town with garbage reads doesn't say much

as of yesterday

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@Nos:

As much as it sucks to say it, it's pretty unlikely more than one scum was off that moz wagon. I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

I'm not sure what you mean by 795, but it sounded like you were still considering Allo as scum today.

I'm not sure how to respond to this post.

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I'm going to lurk until LuV v Aubrey is over. I can use counter balance for my townread @ Aubrey.

what a god

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However, I just took another look at this player list and the only player who I believe knows about our relationship for sure is Nos

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@Nos:

As much as it sucks to say it, it's pretty unlikely more than one scum was off that moz wagon. I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

I'm not sure what you mean by 795, but it sounded like you were still considering Allo as scum today.

I'm not sure how to respond to this post.

I'm confused. Please respond by helping me clear up my confusion.

Sequence of events:

As much as it sucks to say it, it's pretty unlikely more than one scum was off that moz wagon. I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

Sounded like you still thought Allo was scum though he's an unCCed BP.

Isn't Alo BP? Am I missing something?

Isn't Alo BP? Am I missing something?

Yes, I am

Realeo and Allo (...kind of) both pointed this out.

Flipped town with garbage reads doesn't say much

as of yesterday

You made a post where you included two random quotes. I thought you were trying to say that these were your reads as of

yesterday

.

I'm not sure what you mean by 795, but it sounded like you were still considering Allo as scum today.

Hence this post. Am I making a bad assumption somewhere?

I'm just confused as to when I stopped considering Allo as scum

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tbh asking why no one finds you suspicious is like one of the least suspicious things you can do

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are scum incapable of lying?

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Except I'm not...you keep asking me why I'm considering it for today, but you missed how I already said I was wavering on that read...Obviously I don't scumread him hard enough to push regardless of his claim so why are you accusing me of doubtcasting when I've done no such thing?

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I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo

hesitant to say that it was Allo

hesitant

Definition: Tending to hesitate, wait, or proceed with caution or reservation.

synonyms: uncertain, undecided, unsure, doubtful, dubious, skeptical; tentative, nervous, reluctant, unwilling, gun-shy;
indecisive, irresolute, hesitating, dithering, vacillating, wavering, waffling, blowing hot and cold;
ambivalent, of two minds, hemming and hawing;
informal: iffy

like ???

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o shit vacillating was a vocab word last year

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why are you accusing me of doubtcasting when I've done no such thing?

Definition: Tending to hesitate, wait, or proceed with caution or reservation.

synonyms: uncertain, undecided, unsure,

doubtful

, dubious, skeptical; tentative, nervous, reluctant, unwilling, gun-shy;
indecisive, irresolute, hesitating, dithering, vacillating, wavering, waffling, blowing hot and cold;
ambivalent, of two minds, hemming and hawing;
informal: iffy

Yes, I know what hesitant means, thank you. Retreating to mechanical definitions doesn't serve your purpose when the word "doubtful" is in there. Bolded it for you.

I would qualify this as doubtcasting because you are ignoring the fact that he hasn't been CCed, as if it's irrelevant. All of your synonyms indicate that you are leaving the option open (ie. considering it), thus inducing uncertainty in the rest of the town. This is casting doubt.

Pretending as though you haven't because you haven't made a concerted push is ridiculous. Do you want me to define "subtle" for you?

this is where I smile and nod and pretend you didnt just hit me with a fistful of bullshit

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this is where I smile and nod and pretend you didnt just hit me with a fistful of bullshit

Um.

No.

If you think it's bullshit, this is where you tell me why, instead of trying to deflect.

I already did

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you suspect a lot of things

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there's really nothing I can say in response to that. He's saying I'm doubtcasting and using what I would call a reach to argue that. We have different understandings of the word doubtcasting so I don't think there's really much point in discussing this.

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there's really nothing I can say in response to that. He's saying I'm doubtcasting and using what I would call a reach to argue that. We have different understandings of the word doubtcasting so I don't think there's really much point in discussing this.

I should also say that I already said why is claim is bullshit because my original point is literally my only response to his argument. I'm not going to try convince him that what I did isn't doubtcasting because in his mind it is. I don't think there's a way to convince him otherwise so I won't.

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I'm just confused by your tone. Different definitions are fine but there was no reason for you to express doubt in regards to Allo unless you've never played an Open setup before.

I didn't think that I was expressing doubt. It's not something I was going for.

Why, given this fact, were you more set on lynching Moz for most of the day than you were on lynching Allo?

I wasn't. My vote was always on whoever had the more votes between them.

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You guys keep saying "wow it's so conveneint how he switches to whichever one gains traction"

uhh yeah I am. I thought this was mentioned already.

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Also @mjoll: why is my allo case better than the moz one? They seem equally bad to me.

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@Key: I didn't want to like completely ignore you indefinitely, just enough to like chill for a second. I was just unnecessarily abrasive about it for like zero fucking reason besides me just being a horrible person? Idk I'm fucked up, I blame my mother for birthing me, but moving on, when I was ready to continue talking, LUV was just the one who was there, so I responded to that, and like yeah I could've gone to the previous like one page to answer you directly but like ehhh

I still don't think what I did was doubtcasting and I still feel like this is lowkey pointless but I mean so is life so whatever y'know

is incredibly inconsistent with the fact that they emphasised their use of the word "hesitant" to the point of providing the dictionary definition and synonyms, and those included the word "doubtful"?

I don't think me saying "I'm very doubtful about whether I want to scumread allo" is me spreading doubt about the validity of his claim. Even though at the time I was still considering him as scum I didn't want to spread that to other people, and it really wasn't something I wanted to go about pushing today.

It's just not what I was going for, and I still don't get that's what I did. Even when we started talking about whether the claim was legit, I wasn't actually like saying "when did I stop considering him as scum" as in I STILL THINK HE'S SCUM THAT NEEDS TO HANG RIGHT NOW, I meant more like, "when did I change my stance for you to ask me this question" and then the thing that would've made me stop was apparently his claim?? I guess I just chose a really roundabout unambiguous way of saying it because I don't know, because I'm frustrating in ways that I CAN ONLY SEE IN RETROSPECT LIKE A FUCKING MORON maybe? I've rewritten this way to many times to be coherent lol

Anyhow I wasn't really thinking about his claim when I made the apparent doubtcast and uhh something something that has escaped me right now, I have really really bad short-term memory

So yeah

just not what I was going for with that


LIKE just hesitant didnt mean im hesitant to say he's bp so saying that ive like uhh shaded his claim or something just sound like a reach to me cause it wasnt even IN my mind when I wanted to talk about things.

I just dont think its doubtcasting. I really don't... maybe you could explain to me how my use of the word hesitant made allo's claim like less uhh... what's a word for worthy that is actually fitting in context...AUTHENTIC yes. so yeah if you could answer that maybe this would be worth talking about cause i dont really see a proper resolution happening cause those are good

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I like looking back on posts seeing when I literally forget my train of thought and I lose the ability to punctuate and start saying uhh as I struggle to find words

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I would qualify this as doubtcasting because you are ignoring the fact that he hasn't been CCed, as if it's irrelevant. All of your synonyms indicate that you are leaving the option open (ie. considering it), thus inducing uncertainty in the rest of the town. This is casting doubt.

like AHHH

Like I still don't think this COUNTS... I need hand movements to articulate my uhh thoughts...aaaaa

hmmm

I was trying to express MY doubt on my READ of him. Yeah they weren't really counting his claim, and I was considering it, but I wasn't like uhh

AHH

I wasn't trying to say HEY THIS COULD STILL BE SCUM GUYS

I was trying to go HEY AT FIRST ID THINK THIS WAS SCUM BUT MAYBE NOT

and TO ME that's not trying to like sully his conf town status. What I said like immediately after that maybe was I'll admit, WHICH I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IF I TRIED TO SAY THIS LIKE 3 DAYS AGO OR WHENEVER. I don't have a strong grasp of time so whenever this post I'm responding to is the interval I'm referring to

sidetracked

I guess what I'm trying to say was that the INTENTION was for me to express doubt about my shit not sew doubt about allo's stuff. Maybe idk what I'm even going for at this point.

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Maybe I need to start posting like Nosferatu, just type what is inside her brain instead of taking minutes to make sure I get the perfect word choice so I would seem genuine

idk I just forget the word I had when I started typing

it happens irl and it seems to be getting worse so I should probably get that checked out.

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Ignoring the claim and making evaluations of Allo being scum based on something else is what bothered me, and I saw your hesitation as more of an attempt to translate that hesitation to the rest of the game by saying it which you very clearly don't think. Currently the town is in "Allo is town" mode, it felt like you were trying to change it to "Allo is maybe town" mode.

Yeah I kinda get what you were going for with the whole uhh subtlety thing
makes sense retrospectively

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VOTE: flub
pressure vote because I want to see this sorted

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I've noticed that Realeo tends to make an actual post, then a bunch of useless posts, like 951 and 955

ok?

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Also @mjoll: why is my allo case better than the moz one? They seem equally bad to me.

Aubrey, how is this different than what you don't like about Realeo's solicitation?

I mean I don't think my cases were bad, mjoll does.

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not going to answer that first question cause I uhh just did, but

I think the two cases had exactly the same reasoning. If anything the allo case was weaker.

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Sorry I wasn't able to say anything earlier. I didn't check my email last night and was too busy today to log on.
Anyway, I think we should hold off on the mass-claim. While I understand the logic in 114, I also want to point out that scum has no idea who the PR roles are, so their kills are random, but town can use logic to find out who the scum is, so town voting will not be random. Town has a higher chance of lynching scum than simply random, assuming this town is competent. Also, since PR will claim before lynched, town will most likely not lynch a PR.

This is actually one of the most braindead posts I've read in awhile. I don't mean that intelligence-wise, I mean that this is actually the least thought I've seen put into a post.

I also want to point out that scum has no idea who the PR roles are, so their kills are random, but town can use logic to find out who the scum is, so town voting will not be random.

???
This doesn't even make sense. Like scum aren't going to be PR hunting like they do in literally every game? What? What info does either party have that makes their actions inherently random or not? If you're arguing that one party can use logic and the other can't, you're beyond help.

Town has a higher chance of lynching scum than simply random, assuming this town is competent.

this is just plainly illogical

Also, since PR will claim before lynched, town will most likely not lynch a PR.

you're also just assuming that we'll believe the claim

This entire post reads as you just opposing the mass claim because you think it's a townie thing to do or something.

You forget that the PRs can actually do stuff. They aren't just figureheads. Yes, scumhunting in 13 ppl is hard, but the JK can try to JK scum. The Tracker and Watcher can also help us get information about who's scum. With a mass-claim, we lose these advantages early on.

no we don't. scum has to choose. VT's can also fakeclaim as PRs. There's so many variables that you're just willfully excluding.

You do realize that even though you did do something good, you still shouldn't use that as an excuse the help scum, right? To me this seems really suspicious, like you're being deliberately obtuse in order to have an excuse to post that so that you could get a message to your scum partners. VOTE: Realeo

There's arguably one alignment indicative point here.

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this is in comparison to my moz case which for the record was:
- he had fake reads
- his progression was bad
- he avoiding putting down real votes
- the votes he did make were in bad faith
- he was deflecting
- he tried to misrep my scumread on him as a personal gripe several times
- he did the same to chicka
- he tried to make it seem like I always scumread him which is an unfair assessment
- he asked loaded questions (even if you think they weren't loaded I did)

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he's one of the people I wanted to sort today because he was one of chick's final scumreads

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I'm not sheeping her reads, he's still null to me, however I just feel like he's a priority to sort.

If I were to pick some scumsters: I don't like how mjollnir likes my allo case and not my moz case, LUV is always a priority sort since he's a strong scum player, fitz has been hiding behind setup spec for awhile now, and I haven't seen radical in bit.

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scum

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after 1000 posts, townhunting stops being viable?

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No why do u ask?

I'm saying townhunting as a strategy not a technique.

aka looking for town instead of scum. Do you think it's not something to be doing right now?

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Ehhhh 1013 kinda looks like a misrep

perhaps

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AND FYI, I AM L-1; JUST IN CASE YOU ARE DUMB AS WELL

OR MAYBE I AM AT L-2. SEE, I AM DUMB AS WELL!

im dead lmao

this is in comparison to my moz case which for the record was:
- he had fake reads
- his progression was bad
- he avoiding putting down real votes
- the votes he did make were in bad faith
- he was deflecting
- he tried to misrep my scumread on him as a personal gripe several times
- he did the same to chicka
- he tried to make it seem like I always scumread him which is an unfair assessment
- he asked loaded questions (even if you think they weren't loaded I did)

You know what, I would go through this point by point with you, but this seems like a waste of my limited time. Moz is dead and Allo is pretty much confirmed town. What I will say however is that the only one of those with any real merit is bad progression. I don't even see where he was deflecting and your case did read quite a bit like you had a vendetta against him.

1. their alignments are completely irrelevant
2. fake reads, misrepresenting cases, and not putting down serious votes is all townie behaviour to you?
3. It's pretty obvious where I thought he was deflecting.
4. How did it seem like I had a vendetta when I also made a long post saying how that didn't even make sense?

It doesn't seem like you have any actual basis for not liking my moz case or liking my allo case over it.

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probably will ISO everyone on the moz wagon first with priority on {fitz, mjoll, flub} since those were chick's last scumreads,

Did these ISO's you mention 10 days ago ever take place?

fitz has been hiding behind setup spec for awhile now

I haven't mentioned setup spec since D1 in August. I've been absent...but saying I've been "hiding" behind setup spec is a bit misrepresentative and shady.

sorry, you hadn't been posting like anything since D1 so I forgot what your most recent posts were

and no those ISOs haven't properly taken place. I skimmed flubs, but that's not really what I was aiming to do. You'll note that I am very lazy.

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STOP MISREPPING ME ALREADY!!!!

You just said you could have a POE scumread in the post right before this one!!! Well after 1000 posts, if you can't tell me who in the list of 4 is most scummy, then by all means, TELL ME HIS THE LEAST TOWNIE! Or are you saying you'd advocate a no lynch. That was all that was asked of you....NOTHING MORE!

idk but the use of exclamation points makes this feel so ironic lmao

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I was also scum in Rad and you town read me. Don't give me shit about my scum game. I don't make mistakes and I don't get suspected unless I have bad partners.

wew lad

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I was also only shot in that game by Sly and I can post PMs if he doesn't mine because he was pissed at me for something in a game that was ongoing game at the time.

tfw I know exactly what he was mad about

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what you're quoting and what you're saying look pretty different ngl

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LUV looks really bad with these condradictions, but scum!LUV in my experience doesn't really crack under scumreads like that.

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I'm more concerned with the fact that his quotes and the caption literally have nothing to do with each other

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do i not know how to read or something

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I guess I'll do one of those ISOs because I like have no social life or things to distract me,,,

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79 Straight out of the gate with some setup spec questions, I feel good about this since he could've easily just asked those questions in scum PT
I'm going to ignore the setup breaking stuff since I personally find it uninteresting and more importantly NAI
369 Catch-up that kind of implies he wasn't really reading o/
1. Opposes priority claiming which is good
2. Shooting RR's 28 gives me good vibez too
3. Dig on realeo's 37 is a reach. I've never seen scum go for such cheap town tells.
4. Chick doesn't phrase 71 in a really pockety way, don't like this point.
5. Would love to hear why fitz liked 77. First half was fence-sitting, other half was piggybacking off of key's earlier post.
6. shading moza's anti-claim stance because he claimed priority seems kinda bleh. closest analogy I can think of is throwing away your headset because it's not a building.

452 Boy do I love seeing this
1. I would not townread either realeo or aubrey based on this page (10)
2. Why did two of your scumreads become townleans?
3. I cannot tell you the physical pain it brought me to see that your only proper town read was yourself.

520-571 Extremely hung up on the use of 20 minutes for seemingly no reason. Bad vibez.

728 this vote is bad. REALLY BAD. especially within the context of that flip.

1073 Ok couple bad things here.
1. Realeo scumread because he got mad over a question is? Scum motivation there?
2. Still no reads
3. Zero justification for any of those scumreads
4. First bit about realeo's 825 is lowkey garbage

1107 Do not like the tone shift here.

Gonna put this at nullscum

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I guess I'll do one of those ISOs because I like have no social life or things to distract me,,,

Hurricane Maria?

if it wants me it can take me

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also is english in binary code not still english

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yeah?

That's my point?

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I know in Cowboy Bebop mafia he came under suspicion once in D1, mostly shrugged it off and flew under the radar for pretty much the whole game. He surrendered at the end not cause we caught him, just that we had enough confirmed town that it was inevitable.

So I don't really see him as some mastermind, I just think he knows how to handle pressure as scum which is aight.

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will lynch {flub, fitz, iai}

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will lynch {flub, fitz, iai}

Flubber is still someone I need to sort out. IAI is a town lean. I'll review your suspicions towards them and see if anything makes sense.

IAI is there cause he's just null I don't like actually scumread him js

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It is a

deadline

self hammer, ffs

well dont do that

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Looking back at Realeo, he's scum. I know ive been on and off about him, but i am pretty sure this time.

Vote: Realeo

i swear to god

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Can someone review fitz's readlist progression from D1

{radical, moz} > {realeo, moz} > {realeo, moz, chick} > {allo, moz, chick} > (D2){nos, realeo, luv}

making some assumptions as to how to block those, but I'm fairly confident in saying this is how it went down.

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VOTE: fitz

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I didn't and I'm upset that I didn't see my scumbud slip

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VOTE: IAI
L-2?

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Well if Nos and Key are both town, game over. In case they're not

claim jailkeeper

Turned off N1 and N2. Hence why I was so spastic to those who were turning players off. Finally turned on for n3 where I JK allo. Did not want to disrupt other power roles so kept confirmed town safe to allow others to catch scum (watcher, switch analyst) or confirm town (hider).

yeah but I'm the jk

please lynch ty

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So who did you target this game mr JK?

ive already revealed far too much to confirmed scum.

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because as scum, I try to cc the jk to get him lynched, instead of riding out a day where no one has expressed a desire in lynching me, my only detractor having replaced out, and just waiting to kill him tonight.

ye

ok

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yes i will win by lynching you

the scum

you are correct

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we should actually be lynching IAI regardless of his claim

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ok if I had to guess, I think that IAI is the goon and mjoll was the roleblocker

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rolecop* whatever

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we should actually be lynching IAI regardless of his claim

Says the guy who won't even say who he "targeted" with his JK this game lol.

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I suppose so. I'll be here around midnight if anyone wants to talk in real time. Especially IAI, it's been a while man!

unfortunately you're gonna have to say goodbye once you're done reading, cause he's actually scum.

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the fact that you think me not claiming my nights is scummy when the only other town PR is dead is actually why you are scum

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luv then key then creature should claim

can we just get on with it

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VRO

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VRO

what

My bitch don't love me no more, aye
She kick me out I'm like vro, aye

Okay, I've read through the first fifteen pages (half of D1) and it's going to take a while to get through the whole thing. I'd rather not hold up the game so if you guys really need the claims done before you post anything, that's cool.

@Keychain, claim first please. I'll post my reads and reasons after claims are done.

pls just finish d1 before you give claim order cause it would be great if they were based off of semi complete reads

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or even better, read d1 skip d2, and read d3

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BECAUSE IT WASNT WHAT I WANTED DUMB SHIT

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stop fucking posting oml

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the mass claim is never fucking happening because no one is here

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this legit should have happened fucking ages ago

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there's like zero chance of the switch analyst being cc'd so idk what the point of an order even is

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I'd be downright amazed at the scum teams confidence that they could lynch both me and the actual switch analyst

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Can we lynch IAI and then I block key? I can give switch numberr and LUV cam verify that I targeted him? Or am I misunderstanding how switch analyst works?

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Yeah I am.
VOTE: Key

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note that Nos has yet to say if his switch is on or off, nor has he told us any of his supposed JK targets.

Why the fuck do you think that gives any credibility

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Why are you concealing your JK targets and switch state?

Why does revealing them make you believe my claim more

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IAI is scum regardless

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I think every day we've had has dragged on for an eternity

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Can you please claim your targets?

you keep ignoring me every time I ask you why you need them in the first place

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To read you obviously.

I don't know how much you know about human behavior

but you are asking me to do something I don't want to do, "just because"

I have literally negative incentive to fullclaim. I hope you understand why I can't just roll over because you want me to with zero reasoning.

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I really hope I don't need to explain why when you counterclaim someone, you need to lay out all your info for the rest of the town to make the best informed decision.

except in this scenario, due to the lack of the ability to test out these claims, your decision isn't any more informed with my info. I could actually put the playerlist through random.org and pick the first three and tell you those were my targets and you would have the exact same information. If say the tracker or watcher was still alive, you'd have a point here. But if it eases your mind, I can always just go ahead and give you random names for each night.

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if moz flips town, actually powerlynch me tomorrow.

Why wasn't this followed through with?

because no one wanted to.

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You'd have to explain why you targeted those players. It's not going to be as easy as you're claiming.

N1 - Aubrey: I was unsure as to who to rb because of how wrong I was about moz, so I decided to use my jk as a doc and protect a townread of mine.
N2 - LUV: His entry unnerved me with his immediate conclusion that scum killed his gf to frame him in a way that felt premeditated, so I went to block him.
N3 - Mjollnir/Creature: I didn't like how he disliked my moz case but not my allo case when they were essentially the same. It seemed like he was trying to jump off of moz's death and he wasn't able to prove that he actually was reading my posts, so I went to block him.

^^^ made up in like 5 mins

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also from random.org, thats not real lmao

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announcing v/la: I won't replace out of this game because its nearly over but I won't have a lot of time because I have college application and its a bitch

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In that spirit I will fullclaim seeing as it makes no sense to delay it if I'm not even going to be here

Last night I targeted fitz because I scumread him for reasons already listed.

My switch is on. Will give priority if necessary, but I might not get back to you for awhile.

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obviously fucking not

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that literally makes no sense and there can't be 2 night kills in that case

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ah not if I killed aubrey

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whatever, lynch me if you want, I'm still town, this game just makes no sense.

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lol wait my switch was off last night lmao

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Ok so this is what happened last night

Me --> Fitz (fails because my switch is off, which uzi can verify with his ability)
Fitz --> Aubrey/IAI
IAI(he's the goon im pretty sure) --> Aubrey

So you'll lynch me today probs lets be real

IAI will be obvscum and will kill uzi I'm guessing since I won't be around to doc

BV will have to choose between keychain and creature, and I'm guessing creature will be lynched.

So yeah there you go, the rest of your game.

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no wait I skipped a day... can town lose this? BV I don't think has been shot.

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Yes, if we lynch the jailkeeper today, town totally loses.

This is LyLo isn't it...yeah sorry you guys lost

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VOTE: Key
I like creature's reaction to this.

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@Nos, explain everything you know from your role. What is your priority number? Who did you toggle on/off the past three nights? How did your on/off switch change through the game i.e. did you begin on or off and how did it change each night. Who did you JK the first two nights? I don't want random answers, I want the real ones.

I didn't switch anyone on/off. Priority 10. Starting switch was off, didn't target anyone the first night or the second, I turned my switch on last night.

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And explain why you thought Moz was bussing Allomancer as opposed to thinking you were wrong on one of them.

I didn't think that they were actually bussing. There was no associative read between the two, I simply used it as a joke because my two scumreads were voting one another.

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I wasn't able to get to my computer on the second night.

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for the first night I wanted to see if someone would switch me on, which happened.

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654 is another really good post. Probably points to Creature being town and unlikely to be in a scumteam with Nos.

it really isn't

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VOTE: IAI

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@mod: can you explain what was the deal with last night post-game

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last night i submitted an action to nk but mod said by switch was still off even though i sent a toggle action the night before so ???

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oh lol

IAI has highest priority

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Did the mod confirm to you the night before that your switch state was on?

night before what?

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D3 - mod tells me switch is off
N3 - I submit action to toggle switch on
D4 - no notification
N4 - I submit action
D5 - no action was submitted
timeline

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N3 - I submit action to toggle switch on
D4 - no notification