I have good reason to ask for this, as it would be an incredible boon to our odds of winning if I become confirmed town.
I can fullclaim if players deem the details necessary.
In ancient days years past, my role would actually have ties to a godfather. However, under modern definitions my role is unambiguously not a godfather. It's much closer to an innocent child, but not to the point where claiming it alone would make me conftown. I should however clarify there are two halves to my role. One gives me town credit. The other gives me incentive to be conftown by investigation.In post 49, III Xaldin wrote:Unless you supposed traitors have some sort of godfather which would be most unifitting for Roxas in all honesty.
Off of role alone I would likely be townread but I have been mislynched while carrying a role similar to what I have so I want to leave no room for doubt this time around.In post 40, V Lexaeus wrote:I say we probably shouldn't lynch him today.
Oh? Do tell how Larxene isn't obvtown then. That, or define what the term obvtown means. For me, it means obviously town. As in, a read which is so obvious it needs no explanation. Do you feel a Larxene townread needs explanation? I do not. Because Larxene is obvtown.In post 37, II Xigbar wrote:Both posts felt played up. Larxene is definitely not obvtown, Luxord is definitely not obvscum.
For comments like thisIn post 33, X Luxord wrote:Why's that?
Rather than anything useful. 12 was a poor RVS. 18 was a random switch, with unattached fluff. 22 shows lack of critical thought. 35 is a poor defense of a stance: it being the RVS is no justification for there being no reasoning.In post 33, X Luxord wrote:Also, is it just me or is the whole secret alt thing making a disproportionate amount of people use good grammar?
I must admit a lack of flavor knowledge aside from generally being aware of Roxas being Sora's opposite and I believe him going from Zero to Hero. I did get the impression my role was one of the stronger ones in the game, however, it requires specific circumstances in order to work.In post 53, V Lexaeus wrote:As for Roxas... He's a special case. In flavor, he's the key (literally) to the Organization's entire scheme until the Oblivion Squad screws it up vying for power, and he runs away.
Alignments do not necessarily match flavor (except for Xemnas I suppose), but it does seem like the role assignments are based on it. So when Roxas claims a super powerful role that benefits immensely from being cop cleared? I believe him, and don't want to waste the effort pushing him with a cop result incoming, and especially don't want to risk a mislynch without getting that sorted.
How so? Larxene is in fact obviously town. Luxord is just scum. Those were the most apt descriptions to use. The terms were accurate. And, counter-question.In post 57, VI Zexion wrote:all I have right now is a pretty baseless post calling someone "obviously town" and someone else "just scum" (quote marks for precision not for mockery) on page 2 which are ridiculous positions to hold this early.
Why didn't you interact with my slot? You didn't bother to ask me why I held those stances. I am perfectly capable of explaining them (and in the case of Luxord I am actively doing so), yet you went in and did the very thing you were accusing me of.In post 57, VI Zexion wrote:There are no interactions with other slots.
This is a continued instance of not actually providing game content.In post 51, X Luxord wrote:VOTE: 6 Zex
As someone who has no flavor knowledge, all of the names are frustratingly similar.
Yes it is.In post 76, VIII Axel wrote:This is a TERRIBLE vote.In post 51, X Luxord wrote:VOTE: 6 Zex
As someone who has no flavor knowledge, all of the names are frustratingly similar.
As do I. I thought 77 was a good point about Luxord and it felt incredibly natural.In post 76, VIII Axel wrote:I enjoy Marluxia's content.
And the thought did not occur to you that I was indirectly interacting with the slots I was referencing in my reads and giving something for others to engage with me on?In post 78, VI Zexion wrote:I kindly disagree. I stated my reasoning: your entrance felt canned, Lexaeus felt like he was just making noise. I didn't interact directly with your slot but I did do so indirectly by stating my read on you and giving you something to engage with me on.
When I say a slot is obviously town what I mean by that is the slot is so town that words don't do the read justice. It is the reaction of "oh. Town." to when a player has posted. There is no one trigger. There is no one thing I would point to. No one specific trait, no one specific characteristic, no one specific post. Because the read is so obviously true that it speaks for itself. Larxene is obviously town because it is obvious Larxene is town.In post 78, VI Zexion wrote:I don't think that Larxene is obviously town, please explain that.
This has not changed for me. Tell me why Larxene is not obvtown to you. Because I simply do not understand how it is possible toIn post 68, XIII Roxas wrote:Do tell how Larxene isn't obvtown then. That, or define what the term obvtown means. For me, it means obviously town. As in, a read which is so obvious it needs no explanation. Do you feel a Larxene townread needs explanation? I do not. Because Larxene is obvtown.
Very high chance ^this is scum.In post 95, IX Demyx wrote:Oh man my avatar is AWESOME
In post 108, VII Saix wrote:My reads are based on how logical posts were imo...
You and I have very different definitions of over-reaction mate.In post 112, VII Saix wrote:The 2nd para is a bit of an over-reaction.
I will confirm this is true of my main as well. It does not change with me using an alt. Tell me why you, knowing this is something you expect to be part of my playstyle, think it comes from scum specifically.In post 112, VII Saix wrote:All 3 of the paras (and Rox's earlier responses) felt like uttered by an over-conscious or self-aware player.
I promised a response to that case and I will give it in my next post. But to give an idea of what you're in for:In post 104, II Xigbar wrote:You're complaining that there's no content, but not a single person has addressed the case that I provided against Larxene, nor has anyone joined me in voting her.
I specifically note that I know that certain players would, as town, make a play like that.In post 105, II Xigbar wrote: I specifically note that I think that certain players would, as scum, make a play like that.
Yes.In post 123, II Xigbar wrote:Roxas, say I'm a vig and I kill Larxene and they flip scum. Are you willing to put your head next on the chopping block to defend them?
I however will say more. I cannot deny the truth: I would make any ploy I felt would earn me towncred as scum.In post 126, II Xigbar wrote:I think thatyouwould make a play like that if you had some way to get towncred from that, especially in a secret alt game. I will say no more about that.
This is false; I showed why.In post 135, II Xigbar wrote:1) Larxene threw out a bunch of townreads then backed off on them in a scummy way.
This is a misrep of my point. I specifically said that her lack of specifics was not in fact a scumtell. I then went on to note that were you to believe it was a scumtell, she isn't even the player most guilty of it. My point was thus that you were wrong in your fundamental premise and your focus on her having done something others were far more guilty of is ridiculous. Sure her "sinning" (it's not but let's humor you) wouldn't go away, but that's no excuse for having utterly ignored altogether all the other players guilty of the alleged sin.Larxene's scumreads are very lazy and it feels like scum looking for easy positions. Your best argument to rebut it is that others have done the same thing too. That's scummy on both of your parts.
...I believe that he is scum defending Larxene and I think that Larxene will be quite difficult to lynch whereas Roxas will be much easier to lynch, so I am going to go after him first.
In post 135, II Xigbar wrote:2) Larxene's scumreads are very lazyand it feels like scum looking for easy positions.
I have no words.In post 135, II Xigbar wrote:I think that Larxene will be quite difficult to lynch whereasRoxas will be much easier to lynch, so I am going to go after him first.
This is you, selling a narrative.In post 140, II Xigbar wrote:No, you disagreed with them since they didn't suit your agenda.This is false; I showed why.
And I think Larxene is not guilty of this whereas there are other players whoI think that giving absolutely no reasons for your reads while sheeping general consensus on basically every single one of your reads is scummy.
Your read on me IS easy because itI am visibly not following crowd consensus of any sort. My read on you developed independent of any slot in game and I jumped Larxene while they were universally townread. Saying I'm being 'easy' is disingenuous as hell.
I've made this clear already.You have shown no desire to engage with my reads
In post 145, II Xigbar wrote:If you didn't want to be pushed as being scum hard defending scum then you shouldn't be hard defending scum as a player who refuses to bus.
Your premise is right.There is a fucking difference between pretending to have reads and trying to look town and simply not having reads at all while making no effort to fake looking town. Larxene is fake as balls and has the most insincere reads in the game while actively trying to look like she's playing the game.
Sorry I'm not intimidated by terrorist threats.If you fuck off and let me do my thing with Larxene I'll unvote you and go for the person I'm more sure is scum, but I'm not going to fight both of you simultaneously.
I'm not who you think I am. I have a reasonable idea who you are talking about and that person isn't me.You would think that given that virtually every town game I've seen you in you've hard townread at least one scum, you would have learned something by now.
Voting a player who voted me != OMGUS.In post 146, II Xigbar wrote:That OMGUS was absolutely horrid.
Full disclosure: I actually don't do reasons well!In post 149, II Xigbar wrote:Come at me, then. Show me what you can do, Mr. Man of Mystery.
My practice is voting scum.In post 151, II Xigbar wrote:Get practicing so you can make yourself useful.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah fuck.In post 153, X Luxord wrote:First, I think I'm very hesitant to write off Roxas vs. Xigbar as town vs. town.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to fake content on slots that I don't actually have stances on. I would like to make a readslist but I'm trying to figure out formatting which would preserve my anonymity because I'm afraid no matter what style of readslist I use I will immediately out my identity once I have done so.In post 157, VI Zexion wrote:@Roxas if you're town here I definitely would like to see more from you that isn't just pushing back on other slots because I feel like that's pretty much the extent of what I've seen from you so far; don't think it's helpful at all to limit your content to reactions to other slots if you're town, think your reasoning on Lexaeus town is pretty poor and I don't find your stance there reasonable at all.
Oi!In post 159, XII Larxene wrote:Look at that, Roxas did it for me. I guess he is useful for something.
When Xigbar started the game I thought "mild town. Probably mostly wrong, but mild town all the same". This lasted for a while (I don't remember exactly how long), but degraded more into a null-read later. Then I started to actually engage Xigbar and it moved to being a scumread, especially since my Luxord read had the inverse trajectory of the Xigbar read in that I slowly was losing my confidence in Luxord being scum and thought he could even maybe be town.In post 159, XII Larxene wrote:I want to talk about that because it's hurting your otherwisestellarrecord of being absolutely right in this game.
Regardless of Xaldin's alignment I don't like this vote.
Did I say I had no read on Xaldin?In post 182, III Xaldin wrote:Xigbar, it is amusing how you scunread larxene for not explaining her scunread when you are doing the same exact thing. As for your comment about alts. It is both scummy and against the spirit of the game. It's scummy because it's an easy and lazy excuse to go Afterwards"I guess I was wrong about who it was and the meta"
Now you can alt guess all you want but in.a case meta has no place. Also you would be correct that I am scumreading you. I simply don't always vote on my point suspicion posts.
@Zexion, his read makes no sense because it is fake.
As someone with great experience with the scummer whose style you are imitating, I can point to these areas of your post where you went wrong. You had the right idea, but these ones utterly shattered the illusion. Some constructive criticism: keep the "town town? scum? scum" in order and separate from all other content, which would come in a separate post. Furthermore, the scummer you mimicked will collapse content in the manner I have done so: combining separate paragraphs, shortening spaces between quotes, and cutting out older quotes. That scummer also would not have used a spoiler tag so freely.In post 200, IX Demyx wrote:Likely not partners with Vexen.SAME. Although I figure I'll be obvious enough to anyone that knows me anyway. Sadly, this post says nothing about your alignment.In post 18, X Luxord wrote:VOTE: Xigbar
Also, I really should have found out whether or not the game would reveal all alts at the end. Oh well.Really doubt this push as a whole comes from scum.In post 24, V Lexaeus wrote:Sorry, my bad. They are full fledged scum, I just meant traitor as in the flavor. Should have said treacherous or just scum like I did the first time.
Your point is valid as my scumgame is indeed stronger than my towngame but this is easily remedied by...slots investigating me.In post 204, VI Zexion wrote:this is my weakest scumread but it's definitely the one that I'm most worried about endgaming if it's scum
Your entrance pinged me crazy hard but now I'm not as sure. I don't actually knowIn post 206, IX Demyx wrote:Awww did I really ping you for that many people so far? <3 Thanks, boo.
What if I told you that I put extensive thought into my opening post?In post 216, IX Demyx wrote:Think that if Roxas were scum there would be more thought put into the opening post/sequence and there just wasn't. It doesn't come across as stiff, either.
If they are someone who I think they could be and if they have an accurate read on my identity, I would not be bothered by it and would expect it. However, I would expect it regardless of their alignment and I've got mixed feelings about it.In post 218, VI Zexion wrote:Frankly, it feels as though you've come into the game determined to townread Roxas and make them look town and I really don't like it.
I know which scummer you are talking about and while I don't know if I am allowed to state directly I am not them I can safely abuse a loophole to let you know I am not them by stating this:In post 224, VI Zexion wrote:The motivation for you townread Roxas depends on his alignment - if he's town then you're trying to pocket him because he's an easy pocket when he's town and all you need to do is agree with his reads and you're town to him; if he's scum then you're scum with him and you're trying to improve the position your team is in because your scumbuds are being scumread and you don't want to have to endgame town without Roxas. Roxas' motivation for not articulating the Luxord scumread is so obvious I'm baffled that you're asking me - if Roxas is scum then he doesn't have to provide reasoning that he'll have to justify and be held accountable for.
Sure.In post 239, IX Demyx wrote:If you're struggling do it Ranger style. That's pretty common these days so I don't think it gives anything away.
I would like to note:In post 246, VI Zexion wrote:definitely needing to hear from you there about as many of those reads you're able to talk about because if you're town I think you're dead on the wrong track and frankly I wouldn't expect there to be any way of helping you course correct when you're not in a mode of being able to talk about anything so I'm pretty much expecting to just be frustrated with your slot for the rest of the game here if you're town. Really unhappy with that prospect; think if you are town you need to be a lot less closed off than what you've been so far.
(That reminds me I probably need to go back and do that.) If you ask me to explain all my reads with reasoning, my answer is a flat-out no.In post 226, XIII Roxas wrote:Full disclosure: I actually don't do reasons well!
Okay let's do it this way then.In post 248, VI Zexion wrote:Ftr I take significant issue with this; if you had read the rest of the post you would clearly see that my motivation for that vote was to work with a townread and push the gamestate out of stagnancy - you're literally taking that vote out of context and slapping on scum motivation that is completely nonexistent in context. I don't know if this is a complete failure of reading on your part or just you being scum but that shit is caricature and doesn't fly.
Regardless of Xaldin's alignment I don't like this vote.In post 181, VI Zexion wrote:Don't have time to respond to anything else in detail butXigbar I don't understand the Xaldin read at all?Pretty willing to follow you there purely in the interest of moving the game forwardsconsidering how much time we have left in the day just as long as this doesn't devolve into a nullread / lurker goosechase butI don't understand at all why you're scumreading the slot as hard as you are. Don't think that scumreading Axel less because they're too scummy is good reasoning at all especially when I'm pretty much 99% on the altguess there. I'm fine with you feeling a little paranoid about my slot but I think that'll probably go away for you once you realize who I am / once I push a lynch on scum (basically no doubt left in my mind about who you are).
Vote: Xaldin
By Yucky, did you mean that Xaldin is Yucky, or did you mean that my Xaldin stance is Yucky?
I'm going to need specifics here because I got the opposite impression of Xaldin.In post 254, VIII Axel wrote:Stance. Play has moderately improved since Page 1.In post 252, XIII Roxas wrote:By Yucky, did you mean that Xaldin is Yucky, or did you mean that my Xaldin stance is Yucky?
If my read on your identity is correct...you don't like anyone in this game more than me.In post 260, IX Demyx wrote:It is really hard to think about your alignment when my kneejerk reaction to your signing here isIlikeyou!
I back this up with posts like this:In post 295, XIII Roxas wrote:I'm going to need specifics here because I got the opposite impression of Xaldin.In post 254, VIII Axel wrote:Stance. Play has moderately improved since Page 1.In post 252, XIII Roxas wrote:By Yucky, did you mean that Xaldin is Yucky, or did you mean that my Xaldin stance is Yucky?
In post 278, III Xaldin wrote:Man game is slow.
Wherein Xaldin continues to do nothing.In post 279, III Xaldin wrote:Godfather isn't immune, he comes back as town, scum.godfsther would want to be targeted not discourage it. How did you even come to that conclusion.In post 257, IX Demyx wrote:Godfather
You would say this as he was getting in the way of your plans for my counterpart. But technically speaking it wouldn't be you who killed him so much as Axel.In post 290, XII Larxene wrote:Spoiler: we killed him. Sorry not sorry?In post 285, I Xemnas wrote:My friends, I'm happy to announce that Vexen is about to return from his prolonged excursion in Castle Oblivion. You may notice that his personality has undergone some... adjustments during his visit. Please try not to call attention to these changes; we do not want to upset our friend, do we?
I'm actually surprised at this, since if you are the player I've begun to suspect you may be (in which case I'd be vindicated in my townread of you since that is a read nearly impossible to get wrong), you and I have played many games together. I would think you would have recognized my style of posting.In post 291, XII Larxene wrote:Dunno who the player behind the Keyblade is.
I am, on the grounds he is the exact thing you describe:In post 303, VII Saix wrote:Who is opposed to Axel lynch and why?
A deadline-mislynch.Scurrying for a legit lynch at the last moment will results in a mislynch.
Not even close. It was however a nice illustration of my point. Xaldin's contribution to the game is incredibly lackluster.In post 304, VIII Axel wrote:OK - and that's your best scumtell on him?In post 297, XIII Roxas wrote:Wherein Xaldin continues to do nothing.
What about it? I have no issues with it, have seen none presented with it, and quite like what I have seen of it.In post 358, VII Saix wrote:What about Axel's contribution?
I...am going to level with you.In post 359, VI Zexion wrote:If you can possibly go over your Demyx read for me that would be pretty helpful; not really sure whether their entrance pinged you because it was an imitation or for some other reason or why your suspicion there started to ease.
That was not me on page 15. I was caught up. Prior to seeing your identity I wasn't going to respond to 359 at all. It was only when I learned your identity that I went back to address your point. There is a ten minute gap between my posts. That gap was me reading, seeing your identity, and only then going back to respond.In post 384, VI Zexion wrote:I'm not sure I like the fact that you're catching up on page 15 but have read this page to know that I altslipped. I'm not really interested in talking about who Demyx may or may not be.
Remind me to do this in 12-24 hours.In post 391, VI Zexion wrote:I can't make sense of your Larxene read or your Axel read.
Not knowing who Demyx is doesn't change my read of not knowing what Demyx's alignment is. I am almost positive that Demyx is someone in my circle of friends, but while I now know Demyx isn't you, I still don't know who Demyx actuallyIn post 391, VI Zexion wrote:I'd definitely like it if you went back over Demyx's content and come back with what your read is there because a wrong altguess is absolutely something that can skew a read in one direction or another and I'd be interested to hear what your take is now that you don't know what your take is.
I am strongly inclined to agree and also think it pushes you even further up the town chart.In post 432, II Xigbar wrote:This is not how Town Xaldin talks to me here.
This is also not a bus vote.In post 442, VI Zexion wrote:Well then I guess it just works perfectly that I'm ~full of surprises~.In post 440, III Xaldin wrote:If you guessed who I am from that post I would be surprised.
VOTE: Xaldin
Lynching me ain't impossible but it sure isn't easy enough where I'd merit the title. I maybe get lynched in 20% of my games? Rough estimate because that's not something I pay attention to.In post 447, I Xemnas wrote:My impression of Roxas's behavior matches up more with what is known in layman's terms as "lynchbait" than a traitor.
In post 457, Heartless wrote:Vexen [1] - Demyx
Saïx [4] - Axel, Lexaeus, Vexen, Luxord
Xaldin [5] - Larxene, Roxas, Marluxia, Xigbar, Zexion
Axel [2] - Xemnas, Saïx
Not Voting: Xaldin
I am very much not fond of the shrinking size of the Xaldin wagon and hate the Axel wagon. For that matter the Saix wagon isn't great either. Prior to looking at the votecounts I was feeling like I was getting ready to maybe call a scumteam, but now I'm not nearly as sure. I need to reevaluate since I'm not happy with my stances right now.In post 487, Heartless wrote:Vexen [1] - Demyx
Saïx [4] - Axel, Lexaeus, Vexen, Luxord
Xaldin [3] - Roxas, Marluxia, Xigbar
Axel [4] - Xemnas, Saïx, Larxene, Zexion
Not Voting: Xaldin
This is probably scum in addition to Xaldin no matter what at this stage.
To elaborate,In post 502, XIII Roxas wrote:Prior to looking at the votecounts I was feeling like I was getting ready to maybe call a scumteam, but now I'm not nearly as sure.
Changed from this? I was willing to call Zexion town with Xaldin remaining as scum. I was ready to keep calling Luxord as probably scum. Xigbar would get bumped up at least a couple of tiers if not more. (This is most likely staying.) As a result, I was getting ready to call a scumteam of Xaldin, Luxord, and then either Demyx or Saix with a strong lean towards Demyx. But now I'm not so sure; is that actually viable with the vote distribution we're seeing? I'm not so sure so I think I cleared a town player I shouldn't have.In post 244, XIII Roxas wrote:{Xemnas, Larxene}
{Axel, Marluxia}
{Lexaeus}
{Vexen}
{Saix}
{Xigbar, Demyx}
{Zexion, Luxord}
{Xaldin}
Strong-town > town > weak-town > townlean > null > mixed (ambivalent) > scumlean > scumread.
Can confirm: I am incredibly difficult to pocket or otherwise influence. I may at times hold strong townreads on unusual players, but these reads aren't based off of any deliberate effort by the players in question. Quite the opposite, deliberate effort is indeed a good way to ping me hard.In post 516, IX Demyx wrote:Dude you are smoking something really strong here. Agreeing with Roxas is the fastest way to get scumread. Like every time I have I've had a paranoia burst from them so you're just flat wrong here through my experiences alone.In post 506, VI Zexion wrote:Like I just don't get how anyone is townreading Axel in any universe and I'm fairly sure that if Luxord isn't scum after that then Demyx is because there's no way a player who is at least competent the way Demyx seems to be would read that shit as "oh I get your townread there Roxas", like that's just blatant as fuck pocketing and anyone who knows Roxas knows that all you need to do to pocket him forever and beyond is to buy into his reads / narrative. Doesn't matter how much he scumreads you beforehand if you just agree with him you're suddenly a townread.
You know given my current stance on you I hate to bring it up because it doesn't do your argument you're town many favors, but...I do kinda sorta townread your outburst here.In post 523, IX Demyx wrote:Which... Oh lookie here! Town again! Doing it again! Having Roxas suspect me again!
Knowing who Zexion is, I'd say it actually does fit them as town. There is something suspicious about the wagons we've had, but Zexion isn't the main contributor to that.In post 518, VIII Axel wrote:OK - that's fair but you at least agree there's something suspicious about it? Doesn't fit the puzzle of Zexion too well.In post 500, XIII Roxas wrote:This is also not a bus vote.
I'mIn post 554, VI Zexion wrote:Free townread for anyone who hammers.
I don't understand why Xaldin isn't dead?In post 573, XI Marluxia wrote:Roxas's gambit amused me, but a real hammer would be much much better.
It's not a fucking charade; I legit have a double-vote and the mods checked in (albeit only with a prod) so they should be ending the day and I don't understand why they haven't.In post 575, VII Saix wrote:Rox, what was the point of the charade?
I need to ask the mods some questions about my double-vote because I was under the impression I was in fact hammering Xaldin.In post 598, Heartless wrote:Xaldin [6] - Roxas, Marluxia, Xigbar, Zexion, Lexaeus, Demyx
This vote is pretty ew as well.