Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[Xiao Long]

if you vote for me
youre in big trouble

This sounds like something a dad would say.
You some kind of father?

vote: gorkington

[Xiao Long]

if you really want to be protown you could vote for me or xiao.
preferably xiao because hes probably scum, but either works.

Daddy always gets grumpy when you disobey him ;(

[Xiao Long]

You don’t get a say in this matter.

[Xiao Long]

There’s no jokes here, you outted yourself. You’re donezo.

[Xiao Long]

Good thing I’m not playing scum then, I guess =D

[Xiao Long]

He’s bluffing, dreamerz

[Xiao Long]

earlygame is when scum has a lot of potential to feel uncomfortable.
i dont really see what kind of better lead you could want at this point, unless your purpose here is to just be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian while not helping any kind of wagon momentum get going.

Are you saying you’re uncomfortable with my vote because you’re scum and it’s early game?
Wow easy game, one down already. Who next?

[Xiao Long]

You would bluff for some reaction swag and content. Unless you really do know me, then I’d feel kinda bad cause I’ve never seen you before lol

[Xiao Long]

You’re really Cheetos? I hope that’s not a lie, I was wanting to get back into a game with Cheetos.

Dream drop a sick vote on him to start the wagon like he wanted

[Xiao Long]

In that case definitely don’t believe his lies about confidence. I was confident enough to fake an obnoxious post restriction as town in our other game together.

If I’d have known you were Cheetos I’d have done the comics again.

[Xiao Long]

I don’t need you to not want to lynch me, your pushes against me will help me figure out your alignment

[Xiao Long]

vote: Dreamsicle

More interested in this now

[Xiao Long]

vote: Dreamsicle

More interested in this now

Why?

~Ali

Cheetos seems ok atm
Dreamsicle seems flustered

Xiao: answer 59, please?

someone stop me from reading Xiao's move onto dreal as picking the easier town in the conversation to go after. or don't, i don't mind.
~Chara

Why’s he easier?

As for 59, cause the info post said scum are called father of the dead and Cheetos’ first post sounded like a dad. I was saying that was him outing himself

[Xiao Long]

Almond Charizard: Oh god, I hope most people caught the reference and don’t think I have a weird Cheetos fetish

Idk, why would town Dream be flustered?

[Xiao Long]

I guess nowhere for now if everyone seems to agree it’s his usual town play.

unvote

[Xiao Long]

xiao
if youre looking for a place to vote
you could either vote
mcmenno
or xiao

Why McMenno?
That Xiao guy is town, so I’ll pass
I’ll see what the game state is like when I wake up
Give me content while I sleep

[Xiao Long]

Did I not explain why I unvoted Dreamsicle?

The Tito and Dreamsicle interaction gives me a town feeling for Dreamsicle now anyways.
Tito seems more headstrong than the last time I played with her, and I’ve only played with town Tito. That’s about the extent of the content y’all gave me.

P Edit: wtf

[Xiao Long]

I mean, I get that, but into your team? What team? And what are these names?

[Xiao Long]

I understand about 0 of what you’re talking about

[Xiao Long]

Why am I considered awkward? :<

[Xiao Long]

They read funny and interesting to me....

[Xiao Long]

ive seen this kind of behavior from scum before when it comes to engaging someone who's pushing them that they know is hard to push back, in that they want to call them a liar, but they cant actually commit to calling them scum because they know they cant seriously push a real case on them.
the use of the word "liar" here is key. i dont think town really uses that word there unless they think the person is scum.

Cause I don't really think you're scum right now, but you're definitely lying about the confidence thing. Lying isn't a scum specific thing, imo, cause I lie all the time as town.

I guess nowhere for now if everyone seems to agree it’s his usual town play.

unvote

also think that his recent posting is coming across as consensus scumhunting.
the xiao i know would never let someone else tell him who he should be scumreading D:

The Xiao you know had a guilty on you the entire game and no one listened to him. I don't have a guilty on Dreamsicle right now or I'd be kicking and screaming for his lynch.

Hey Cheetos, do you know what Yami's crystal nectarines thing is about?

[Xiao Long]

claiming..... Im the town potato

Looked briefly through the post on my phone. Going to go through the posts and see if there is anything interesting there. Hope to post something more substantial tonight,

Hey what's this mean?

[Xiao Long]

Why is Darude wrong? And why are they Lisanna? You're confirming Darude as a crystal nectarine?

[Xiao Long]

If you're not scum, what's with all your "team" talk?

[Xiao Long]

That vote just seems to be made to take pressure off you btw

[Xiao Long]

Would that not be a neighborhood instead of a team?

[Xiao Long]

A neighborhood is a neighborhood, though. Team implies people with the same alignments working towards the same goal. How can you know you and Darude are a team unless you recruited them when you "neighborized" them?
I'm not quite sure what to think of Darude atm.

[Xiao Long]

Okay, I've read p, and this is a placeholder.

Nectarines recruit Queen of Moon Logic onto their team

Bye.

See you even used the word "recruit"

Oh, and you "recruited" Queen of Moons not Darude.
Or is Darude the same as Moon Queen?

[Xiao Long]

So Tito is the Moon Queen?
In that case why would I be required to scum read Darude?

[Xiao Long]

Why do you think Darude is voting you?

[Xiao Long]

Reading Ratatouille: I know it's not the same reason as 105, I wasn't intending for it to be the same reason. 105 is the reason I unvoted.
My feeling on him being town now is reading what seemed to be legitimate frustration with Tito. As far as Tito, I always read Tito as town on day 1, I get a better idea of her on day 2 usually.

Yami: How many neighborhoods are there? There's you and Darude, and then you and Tito? Any more? Why did you need to openly post the "recruitment" but Darude didn't?

[Xiao Long]

What nicknames do you mean, Vince McMahon?

[Xiao Long]

Pedit: mmmm. So your unvote was indeed for reasons that looks to be purely consensus scumhunting? At what point are you going to push someone even if everyone is against you?

I don't think "seems flustered" is enough of a case for ignoring the consensus that he always seems flustered. If I had something on him I thought was legitimately scummy, I'd push his shit in.

[Xiao Long]

I'm saying that if I had something solid on him I would push him even if everyone else in the game town read him.
I never said I did have something solid, lol, people got more hyped about it than they did with your votes though, for whatever reason.

[Xiao Long]

Like seesh just about anyone and their mothers can lay down content you gotta have something you like about it~

It’s early day 1. I like players who have diarrhea of the mouth. I like to let them talk all they want.

Talking is good for later.

VOTE: Havo

Ok

VOTE: Xiao Long

VOTE: Yume
More details to come~

I mean these probably have less reason for voting and unvoting than I did.

[Xiao Long]

And my vote and unvote had a thought process as well, so how are they different?

[Xiao Long]

It's two separate actions. Lisanna neighborized me during pregame and I neighborized Titus during this day. The neighborhood I created opens after the day is over, but since Lisanna wants me dead, I probably won't be able to activate it. Oh well.

What happened in your hood with Darude?

[Xiao Long]

xD
I mean what is it that happened that made you vote for him. But I want him to answer.

[Xiao Long]

Cheetos, what are your thoughts on all this neighbor action?

[Xiao Long]

But what about all the neighborhooding? Like Darude being able to neighbor before day start, but Yami having to do it in thread?

[Xiao Long]

I'm just wondering why one had access to the option before day start but the other didn't.

[Xiao Long]

I think I have three games played with her? But that was like two years ago, so idk what this moon queen shit is about

So you don't want to know about the neighbor stuff? Obviously something happened in their hood that was worth Darude voting for Yami, you don't want to know more about that?

[Xiao Long]

I want them to share it at their own will as they think it is good for us to know

And if they're scum that would be when?

and so you don't have much familiarity with titus at all, yet you use the term "usually" and have confidence in your non-ability to read her on D1 - to me this is just scum not wanting to commit to someone on D1,

Enough familiarity for me. You having different standards in how much comfort you have reading someone doesn't make me scum, dawg.

he doesn't even leave open the possibility of titus doing something that would allow him to sort her at all on D1

Is that what I said?

As far as Tito, I always read Tito as town on day 1, I get a better idea of her on day 2 usually.

Oh look, it's not what I said.

[Xiao Long]

Hmm, Cheetos gaining town points while Dreamsicle is losing them after that exchange.
I think if I were we'd definitely be able to win. Doubly so since people would quit wasting their time tunneling me and look at other people.

[Xiao Long]

I think if I were conftown*

[Xiao Long]

Despacito joins the line of people voting me for weak/no reasons. Gotta be at least one scum there.

[Xiao Long]

Gonna assume it’s here for now

vote Yami

[Xiao Long]

They are wrong because I'm not scum, which will become apparent if you flip me.

And yes, yes, I am.

VOTE: Xiao

i mean if we're gonna be boring

vote: xiao

worst post in the game so far.

Lets see where this goes

VOTE: Xiao

how frustrated are you going to be postgame
when i get to be a jerk about me being town and xiao being scum

Reading back but this gets sheepage.

VOTE: Xiao

Scumhunting btw
Legit case btw

[Xiao Long]

Van hasn’t returned, so no clue there.

Tito and Yami’s votes are dookie tho
Cheetos apparently votes me on misunderstanding my first posts but then trying to retcon his reasons?

[Xiao Long]

Sure, I’m doing it cause it’s fun and it helps me sort people better. I definitely have done it before, but not to this degree. Cheetos can vouch for his nickname at least.

Now answer my question: Why’d you promise to read through the thread after your first post and then only come back with that trash? Looks like you didn’t really read anything and just hopped on the biggest wagon.

[Xiao Long]

Although it would have been way funnier if we went through the whole game without anyone mentioning the nicknames.

[Xiao Long]

Wait did someone else mention the same thing? Shit, I should have just quoted that then.

There seems to be far less scumhunting on the wagon, though.

[Xiao Long]

All of my nicknames are pretty obvious. You’d have to be intentionally dense to not know who I was talking about.

How do you read the whole thread and the nicknames is the only thing you have to comment on? It’s ok, no one else is going to question you apparently.

[Xiao Long]

im talking about your scumhunting off of the wagon, as in, i dont believe that youre genuinely trying to parse anything that anyone is doing on the wagon right now.
or at least i especially dont believe your interpretation of my vote on you.

Have I not questioned people outside of the context of my wagon? Pretty sure I have.
You seem to be holding me to much higher standards than the opportunistic voters which makes me scratch my head as to why town Cheetos would do that.

I may have misinterpreted your vote on me, feel free to quote the actual case.

[Xiao Long]

its not that its hard to tell who you're talking about, it's that it's more difficult to follow your reads

as in, if i ISO you i have to remember that you've referred to drealmerz as 3 different names and ctrl+f all of those different nickanmes that dont need to exist

so i went into a few of your games to see if this was a pattern and didnt find any other examples of you doing it

so i asked you directly

ive plenty else to comment on but this is what im choosing to comment on right now

Your Dreamsicle example is the only one you have cause I was playing with the format of his name the first couple times. Everyone has been named consistently. Besides, I don’t see you crying about people using acronyms for longer names. What a non argument.

[Xiao Long]

i) your entrance was awkward and the jokepost was crutchy.

Ugh, people keep saying it’s awkward without saying WHY it’s awkward.

ii) your questioning since then has read as busybody, which is something ive seen scum do after having an awkward jokey entrance.

Any kind of questioning and hunting that I do is going to be automatically read as scummy to you, apparently. What’s that called again? Confirmation bias? I don’t remember the word.

iii) you hard discredit the entire wagon on you with uniform blanket reasoning, calling everyone on it scummy, and nobody is even implied to be badTown reading you wrong, in spite of you having said that you think im townish SINCE my push on you, including my apparent "retcon" that youre now citing.

Nice misrep, dawg. I never called everyone on it scummy, I said there’s gotta be at least one scum on it, and I didn’t even say you were the scum, I said it was Yami.
And I unfortunately do still think you’re townish, but it doesn’t mean your case against me is good.

so all in all, i dont believe your transitions.
i dont believe anything about any read youve pushed and the way youve come to and come away from your reads.
i dont believe your reaction to your wagon.
and i havent gotten any kind of townvibes from anything youve done.

so.
yes.
baseless case.
keep pushing that point.
its going to look real good on you.

[/quote][/quote]
I will keep pushing that point. Cause your case is wack and you know it.

P EDIT: bah this phone post took too long apparently

[Xiao Long]

TheFuzzylogic99
Furude Hanyu (Alisae & zachstralkita)
Almost Chara (Almost50 & Not Chara)

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 & Drixx)

Gorkington

Xiao Long

Desperado
drealmerz7
McMenno sheepsaysmeep
Yume
Havo
Vaxkiller

Titus

Unless I'm wrong about Cheetos (which given his conviction about me and his arguments with Dreamsicle, I don't think I am), we have 9 people to sort now which makes things a lot easier.
Of those 9, I can see scum being among Despacito, Yami and Darude the most.

Everyone, who of those 9 is the most suspicious to you?

[Xiao Long]

Why, team

Crystal Gems

, of course. Yume is Paddy. Moonie can be whatever she wishes. Lisanna is Topaz.

Hmmm....

Then there's "The State",

which is colored green so I'm assuming they are something like the Crystal Gems from SU2 where they have to keep us alive to win

~Drixx

HMMMM......

[Xiao Long]

Why, team

Crystal Gems

, of course. Yume is Paddy. Moonie can be whatever she wishes. Lisanna is Topaz.

Hmmm....

Then there's "The State",

which is colored green so I'm assuming they are something like the Crystal Gems from SU2 where they have to keep us alive to win

~Drixx

HMMMM......

Why u suspecting ur mason partner?

I'm not? lol
I'm saying maybe you're the state since you talked about crystal gems, and Ratatouille said that they were part of a third faction in a different game.

[Xiao Long]

Well, the Crystal Gems were a town-friendly third party back then. So even if I were third party, which I'm not, it'd be one which is town-friendly.

I don't know if it is or isn't town friendly, just thought it might be a connection.

[Xiao Long]

Well, the Crystal Gems were a town-friendly third party back then. So even if I were third party, which I'm not, it'd be one which is town-friendly.

I don't know if it is or isn't town friendly, just thought it might be a connection.

The only connection I have right now is with Lisanna.

Btw you never told me what happened that made her vote you.

[Xiao Long]

Hey Fuzzy

claiming..... Im the town potato

Looked briefly through the post on my phone. Going to go through the posts and see if there is anything interesting there. Hope to post something more substantial tonight,

Hey what's this mean?

[Xiao Long]

Fuzzy: ugh -_-

Yami: Can you expand on that?

[Xiao Long]

Far too much set up speculation in a Varsoon game. Just seems like people are trying to spin WIFOM everywhere to confuse town.

Yami: Ratatouille’s question was referring to making someone an IC, my response was an embarrassing misunderstanding

vote: Despacito

For now, but still looking at others

[Xiao Long]

Darude having a neighborhood with everyone makes it sound like she’s part of the state just cause of the naming of the faction it would make sense. I don’t know how much the faction names have to do with abilities though.

[Xiao Long]

S’why I said I don’t know how much faction names have to do with abilities though and left it alone.

[Xiao Long]

If McMahon's ISO is lazy, what do you think of Van's?

[Xiao Long]

Or Despacito too lol

[Xiao Long]

He said he was going to give more but never delivered.
There is no scum motivation for nicknames, plus he lied about me never using nicknames in other games.
Like I said, Cheetos can vouch:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60361&p=6601192&hi ... s#p6601192

[Xiao Long]

Are you going to be back before deadline?

[Xiao Long]

Damn, Varsoon, I snagged your page top twice in a row.

V: You lil' basterd.

[Xiao Long]

Van = Vax yeah
By Despacito's ISO being lazy I just meant all of his posts. Cause I kind of think all of his posts are lazy.
Of course Despacito would want a Van lynch over himself.

[Xiao Long]

vote: Darude

Guess Despacito will be D2.

[Xiao Long]

Meh, if they don’t flip scum you should yell at them instead for scummy ass pt actions.

[Xiao Long]

By my count that’s L1, should we at least wait for claim?

[Xiao Long]

And you were called out, so congrats?
Btw not claiming just looks like you're scared of being countered.

[Xiao Long]

Ya you still don't seem to understand you were the one being sorted

I get that, but when you constantly do it all game instead of giving me any real interaction while also not giving me any concrete answer to questions, it seems scummy.

Also you know what our role does. We make PTs

So you only have one ability? If we already know, why didn't you just say that after we first asked for your claim instead of crossing your arms and pouting?

Or did you miss the part of the game where it says every townie gets the same Citizen PM

Did I ask for flavor? Nope.

[Xiao Long]

@everyone: Have you claimed anything to furude in your pt with them? If so, don't say what it is, just confirm that you've done so. Furude, please pass anything that has been claimed to you, on to Titus. She can do what she wants with it, but if we're wrong I want her to be working with maximum information, and I also want to ensure that scum do not have more information than town due to people claiming too much to furude.

Don't claim anything more, btw. Just want to make sure knowledge is passed on.

Cheetos and McMahon you guys missed this

[Xiao Long]

Darude, if we don't lynch you, who are you top candidates?

[Xiao Long]

I’ll be back after work to see where everyone’s at.
I’m pretty much only ok with a Darude or Despacito lynch today, McMahon and Van can wait.

Darude what did you get from Despacito, McMahon and Van in your PT’s with them?
Despacito, Van and McMahon did you guys claim to Darude?

Dreamsicle stfu for a bit and let other people give opinions without your influence even though I kinda like how over the top you are.

[Xiao Long]

Just making sure.

I'm guessing you aren't lynched because people don't want to be held responsible if you actually flip town.
It's only 10 hours left, people need to either hammer you or wagon someone else ASAP (preferably Despacito if not you).

[Xiao Long]

Almond Charizard:
Both are possible.
If Darude is town then it's both scum and town people not wanting to be reverse wagoned.
If Darude is scum, then it's town people with cold feet or scum holding out for the chance that Darude isn't lynched.
At this point, it's pointless to worry about it and either just lynch Darude or lynch someone else.

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon hasn’t answered yet.

Btw, I said I’m only cool with a Darude or Despacito lynch today and when the Darude wagon fell apart, nobody votes for Despacito. This feels like diversion and trying to create enough chaos in the final hours so that he doesn’t get lynched.

vote Despacito

[Xiao Long]

You talking to me? This whole time I was under the impression that the majority was wanting to sort Van on day 2. Van sucks, Despacito is worse.

[Xiao Long]

I may be biased cause Despacito’s case on me was FUCKING TRASH

[Xiao Long]

(also like, the entire wagon is basically me, titus and RR, so the only person you can really say would be diverting attention from desp is me, btw, so you might want to just call me out specifically if youre just going to make generalizations that literally only apply to me)

It was more McMahon and Van I was referring too.
I thought I saw others in there too besides you Tito and RR. I just woke up from a long ass nap, guess I’m grittier than I thought.

Ugh

unvote

Let me drink a coke and reread

[Xiao Long]

Groggier *
Not grittier

[Xiao Long]

Hmm, apparently it actually was Van that I was seeing causing chaos with random votes everywhere.

Apparently I completely didn't even see this when I first read:

I'm guessing you aren't lynched because people don't want to be held responsible if you actually flip town.

this is terrible, it's fucking mafia, this is how the game is played

seriously what the fuck is this shit?

Almond Charizard:
Both are possible.
If Darude is town then it's both scum and town people not wanting to be reverse wagoned.
If Darude is scum, then it's town people with cold feet or scum holding out for the chance that Darude isn't lynched.
At this point, it's pointless to worry about it and either just lynch Darude or lynch someone else.

WHAT?!?!?! this is fucking stupid and useless, just like the above fucking quote of yours

THIS IS MAFIA THIS IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED, it's not "pointless to worry about" IT'S THE FUCKING THING TO FIGURE OUT

Yeah, dawg, I think it's obvious to everyone I meant it's pointless to worry about it now before we know Darude's flip.

[Xiao Long]

Well if its him or me
VOTE: furude

When he flips town its on you.

This that shit I don't like

vote VanFiller

I will hammer the fuck out of Despacito if he gets run up, though.

[Xiao Long]

Oh boy, you champs posted a lot between when I left to get dinner and woke up this morning.
VC ASAP.

YOU'RE TOO SLOW

[Xiao Long]

It's fine, apparently Tito is BP so it ended up being a nice choice.

[Xiao Long]

CLAIM BOI

[Xiao Long]

Varsoon answered.
If we had hit GF, they would have been revealed as scum.

[Xiao Long]

Well, I thought I was vanilla and we all had the same ability, but when I told Farude I was Vanilla in the neighboorhood he said "uhhhhh ok"

Which made me think it was a weird response. My PM says taht the State will use an action at night and when they do it will be announced in the morning. When its announced I can use that ability. I guess im the only one with that ability?

So you're vanilla with an ability?
Can you clarify this a little?

[Xiao Long]

Why don't you just put him back at L-1 then, Dreamsicle?

[Xiao Long]

So how does that work giving you that ability?

[Xiao Long]

rr/titus, i havent played a varsoon game in a little while, does he usually provide fakeclaims/fakeclaim PMs at the start of the game for scum?
or do you have to request something and he fills in the details?

"In order to avoid players from gaming the flavor of this setup, every player will be given a default 'Citizen' Role PM. Members of The Dead will not know their true identity until they are dead.
While roles will still have unique mechanical abilities, their unique flavor will not be revealed until being flipped upon death in the game thread."

Varsoon says every player here, so maybe?

[Xiao Long]

I figured all citizens had that ability. Making them vanilla until scum used an ability, which would be announced and then town would have access to that ability.

Looking at my PM it says the state HAVE to use an ability and it will be announced to the thread

.

In that case, do you also HAVE to use the ability you gain?

[Xiao Long]

Ratatouille is over speculating the fuck out of everything in PT as well.
Just pick one of these people and get the lynch over with: Despacito, McMahon, Van, Darude

[Xiao Long]

unless there are five "the dead" players or less alive? then we can only win by killing the state. yet drixx is suggesting that it is a more refined "crystal gems"-like faction that has to win with the town

"The Dead will win the game if all players that are a part of The Father of Death faction are dead and at least six total players of

any faction

are still alive."

Seems to me that as long as 5 dead and 1 state are alive and they kill the father, then town wins. Am I misreading?

[Xiao Long]

yume you need to make a large effort to suck less

and y'all need to make an effort to lynch someone, which you don't seem to be doing, so I am doing a Lelouch gambit to motivate you.

If you want to make the effort to lynch someone, why don't you vote Van? Distancing?

[Xiao Long]

like this exact situation is what varsoon tries to avoid

a claim in a varsoon game should NEVER result in a pass

i'm not townreading Vax because his claim sounds like it could be mega man. i'm townreading the mistaken assumption that everyone has the same role PM.
~Chara

that is not a mistake?!?!?!

we really do all have the same fucking role pm

what is the matter with you guys

From my understanding everyone has the same citizen pm but different roles.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

[Xiao Long]

From my understanding everyone has the same citizen pm but different roles.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

that attempting to clear anyone based on how genuine they look while claiming their role is stupid because there's no need to lie about anything in this game

Got it

[Xiao Long]

The thing that's annoying to me is Yami and Dreamsicle bitching at others for not lynching when neither of them hammered Van when he was L-1.

[Xiao Long]

no it's turned into an utter clusterfuck now, we were working together before, now it's a clusterfuck

I mean it'll probably work out and we'll have a lynch by deadline because ... well maybe not, I don't know, and am no longer invested in this Day

xioa I didn't fucking hammer because there wasn't a claim yet, wtf? then when there was it was L-2 AND we'd been asked to wait 30 mins for drixx, not an unreasonable request

That's fair, but what is your current read on Van?

[Xiao Long]

That's fair, but what is your current read on Van?

scumfuck galore

Then why not vote him now instead of Darude?

[Xiao Long]

"You underestimate the character of man.
You think that they'll surrender if you bind their working hands."

-Thomas Light

VOTECOUNT 1.08

Vaxkiller (2):

Desperado, Xiao Long

Furude Hanyu (3):

drealmerz7, Yume, McMenno

Desperado (4):

Havo, Reasonably Rational, Vaxkiller, Titus

McMenno (1):

Furude Hanyu

Not Voting (2):

TheFuzzylogic99, Almost Chara, Gorkington

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2017-11-06 23:00:00)

Elec Man has rendered Almost Chara voteless
Titus does not count as a living player for the purposes of deciding Win Conditions.

I updated VC (you're welcome, Varsoon)
Any mistakes?
Fuzzy and Cheetos what are you guys leaning towards?

[Xiao Long]

Despacito, McMahon and Van look like the only real candidates atm

[Xiao Long]

If I were scum, why would I recruit Titus, thereby making her virtually untargetable by my own faction, when she is confirmed town by a mod post? No, I won't. I'd just go the direct route and let her brains be blown out. If you think I do convoluted things as either alignment, you have the wrong person.

Didn't you recruit Tito before she was confirmed?

[Xiao Long]

The flavor spec from Ratatouille makes sense, but I don't want to put as much stock into it.

I'll at least respect their opinions by voting someone else.
So who is it going to be, Despacito, McMahon or Darude?
Why/Why not?
As much as I'd love to force Fuzzy in here to keep posting, it doesn't seem like we have that luxury.

[Xiao Long]

I'll

vote Despacito

for now

[Xiao Long]

I'll

vote Despacito

for now

This kinda thing creeps me out. Like sneaking a vote in... I know you're mason claimed and all but the pings...

I've been wanting Despacito for a long time, and Ratatouille clearly doesn't want Van or Darude, so I'm back to where I originally was.

[Xiao Long]

It's like 5:30 A.M. right now, guys. I'm trying to at least stick with the game until we make a lynch, but hopping back and forth between the same wagons is making this take forever.

[Xiao Long]

wow, more terrible stupid shit from you! SURPRISE!!! I MADE THIS POST AFTER YO MADE THE STATEMENT, THAT MEANS I AM LOOKING FOR EXAMPLES FROM BEFORE THIS POST YOU IGNORNAT FUCK

how about get out of the fucking thread if you aren't going to actually play and just going to antagonize

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

Spoiler:

vote McMahon

[Xiao Long]

It's fine to be mad at her, but I think your reaction was pretty disproportionate. Idk y'alls relationship tho

I dunno, just chill dawg.

[Xiao Long]

When you do it to others, it's okay, but when others do it to you, it's not okay. >.>

But whatever, just ignore me, cos you apparently can rub others wrong but get made when others rub you wrong.

You realize this will probably fan the flames, right?

[Xiao Long]

Idk then, maybe try to befriend each other outside of the game so yall don't rip each others throats out when you're in a game together?

[Xiao Long]

Yami: That's fair and good and all, but I think after game would probably be a better time to bring that up as people are actively trying to dispell the situation.

[Xiao Long]

I like everyone in this game as a person, so all yall mfkers need to relax.

Now, either Despacito or McMahon are our options.
McMahon's claim sounds legit, but I don't know whether it would be scum or town sided since I assume both sides are against the state.

[Xiao Long]

I thought father of death was the scum?

[Xiao Long]

So they're both scum but one's more scum? Either way, you understood what I was saying.

[Xiao Long]

Fudgy and Darude not voting why?

[Xiao Long]

How many people do we really want to claim on D1?

[Xiao Long]

Pseudoclaim?

[Xiao Long]

I thought Van explicitly claimed he gains use of the state's night actions?
Actually if you block the state, it seems like you two have some conflicting abilities.

[Xiao Long]

HAVO IS A TERRIBLE LYNCH IT SERIOUSLY TELLS US NOTHING IF IT IS WRONG AND I HAVE NO REAL PINGS AS SCUM THERE AT ALL (beacuse of lack of contribution, really)

I'm kind of in agreement here.
We have more to go on with a Van or McMahon lynch than a Havo one especially if Havo doesn't come back in time to claim.
Even if she does claim, that's another outed role on D1.

[Xiao Long]

4 minutes left guys

[Xiao Long]

vote Darude

[Xiao Long]

What a ridiculous end day.

[Xiao Long]

That's time, Darude are you scum or not?

[Xiao Long]

Reading but won’t be able to post much for like 9 hours cause work

But Dreamsicle, are you saying you and Fuzzy had a different PM?
If so, Fuzzy should state what his said then you

[Xiao Long]

TheFuzzylogic99

Furude Hanyu (Alisae & zachstralkita)

Almost Chara (Almost50 & Not Chara)

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 & Drixx)

Gorkington

Xiao Long

Desperado
drealmerz7

McMenno sheepsaysmeep

Yume
Havo
Vaxkiller

Titus

vote Despacito

Like I originally wanted.

[Xiao Long]

Actually

unvote

Rereading his posts from end of D1 make me feel he’s more towny than I thought before

[Xiao Long]

But he went after me first
I think he had some decent opinions on claims and shit during the end of D1 which is making me question my scumread on him.
At the same time having to question my town read on Dreamsicle

[Xiao Long]

Hmm

vote Dreamsicle

Went back to read the hood Darude started with me cause something was sticking out to me
Darude has asked me my thoughts on Dreamsicle and I said he seems town cause of his bitchfit with Tito
But Darude said it wasn’t a good indication cause Dreamsicle told her he’ll AtE as any alignment.
I kinda brushed it off cause I thought Darude was scummy til she actually flipped.

Unless she was lying when she said that cause she was lying about other shit.

[Xiao Long]

unvote

Makes sense Dreamsicle

vote Yami

Your quickness to discredit anything Darude said when she was still town doesn’t tho

[Xiao Long]

For clarification I meant Yamis quickness cause she said “DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY SAY CUZ THEY STATE NOW”

[Xiao Long]

Unless I’m misreading, Darude was town up until she flipped so I must assume she was playing as town until that point

[Xiao Long]

Unless they didn't read their role PM, they knew they were getting lynched and that their win con will change as a result, so they cold still have lied once their lynch became imminent.

So you think they would have tried to play the game in a town way while also playing like a state? How would she even know how to play as state?

Wait would that part have even shown up in her role pm if she didn’t know who she was?

[Xiao Long]

I think that’s a Yami slip

[Xiao Long]

I just don’t know if Darude wouldn’t play like town while town, and also unclear about whether Darude would’ve known that part of her role.

[Xiao Long]

It'll never be over, will it?

You are aligned with

The Dead

.
You will win the game if all players that are a part of

The Father of Death

faction are dead and at least six total players of any faction are still alive.
You will win the game if all players that are a part of

The State

faction are dead and at least one player of

The Dead

faction is still alive.
You will lose the game if

The Dead

are reduced to a single living player.[/cell][/row][/table][/align]

In this is looks like her role still has her having a town wincon, so why would she not play like town?
(On phone sorry for fucking up the format in the quoted post)

[Xiao Long]

I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, I just don’t know if they had access to that information when they only had a citizen pm.
I also don’t know why they wouldn’t just always play under town wincon unless they were intending on dying from the start.
Am I missing some level 5 mafia strats or something?

[Xiao Long]

I think that’s a Yami slip

I don't understand. Is this something that only yumi does that is a scum tell?

xD

I was intending for it to mean scum slip and just called it a Yami slip for fun. I’ve never played with Yami aside from a different game that’s in progress so Idk

[Xiao Long]

Van: It does, but that doesn’t mean much to me cause scum defend town all the time. Plus maybe Yami thinks there’s something Darude told me or someone else about them and they’re trying to cover everything and get in front of other people using Darude hood evidence.

This could all be ridiculous speculation, but I’m leaving my vote for now.

[Xiao Long]

S’up

[Xiao Long]

TheFuzzylogic99

Furude Hanyu (Alisae & zachstralkita)

Almost Chara (Almost50 & Not Chara)

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 & Drixx)

Gorkington

Xiao Long

Desperado

drealmerz7

McMenno sheepsaysmeep

Yume

Havo

Vaxkiller

Titus

[Xiao Long]

Halo is white cause I can’t get a read on the slot

[Xiao Long]

Should I have him as conftown?

[Xiao Long]

Yami how is that proven?
Halo idgi

Tito, right now I just think it’s a pointless effort since they’ve been nothing but town in their actions. I think it’d be more worthwhile for you to push people that haven’t really been pushed yet.

[Xiao Long]

Here's the deal, I think you are both scum, and that's why we are scum to you.

1. Get rid of protective role and power hoarding/roleblocker role, both of which can hinder your night actions and stop your kills
2. Kill whomever
3. Lynch some poor sucker who still believes you are both 'conftown'
4. Profit?

Oh, and the fact that neither of you are dead further damns you both

p-edit: It's proven because he is the main character.

Sounds like you’re saying this cause I voted you and called you scum first.
I thought the main character stuff was just speculation and there was a debate whether or not he was Megan’s man or Protonman?

Yami how is that proven?
Halo idgi

Tito, right now I just think it’s a pointless effort since they’ve been nothing but town in their actions. I think it’d be more worthwhile for you to push people that haven’t really been pushed yet.

That's inconsistent with your reads list as everyone not green has been pushed by someone.

When was AC pushed? And Halo wasn’t really pushed except by a half hearted effort at deadline iirc.

[Xiao Long]

@Xiao Long, Just how do you have a PT with RR?

Varsoon, I guess?

[Xiao Long]

Then explain why you both survived the night as masons and why scum killed a not-conftown first?

Not scum, so couldn’t tell you. Probably to make people question masons like right now?
Van isn’t conftown though, so if that’s your reason for thinking I’m scum it doesn’t make any sense.

[Xiao Long]

What does that have to do with me?
And can you explain why Van is conftown because I still don’t get it.

[Xiao Long]

You and RR are scum faking masons, that's why you survived, and that's what it has to do with you. And I already said why Vax is conftown, so I am not repeating things for scum convenience.

It sounds more like your reasons for Van being conftown are unsubstantiated and you can't really answer honestly when questioned about it.

drealmerz and Lisanna are your cheerleaders, by the way.

Oh, so you scumread me because you're butthurt about Dreamsicle and Dreamsicle doesn't scum read me? Cool.

@Xiao Long, Just how do you have a PT with RR?

Varsoon, I guess?

Let's be frank here. You and RR are not masons. So just how do you have a PT with RR?

Why do you assume this?

[Xiao Long]

You and RR are scum faking masons, that's why you survived, and that's what it has to do with you. And I already said why Vax is conftown, so I am not repeating things for scum convenience.

It sounds more like your reasons for Van being conftown are unsubstantiated and you can't really answer honestly when questioned about it.

drealmerz and Lisanna are your cheerleaders, by the way.

Oh, so you scumread me because you're butthurt about Dreamsicle and Dreamsicle doesn't scum read me? Cool.

@Xiao Long, Just how do you have a PT with RR?

Varsoon, I guess?

Let's be frank here. You and RR are not masons. So just how do you have a PT with RR?

Why do you assume this?

It's true. Does it matter why? How do you have a PT with RR since you are not masons?

How's it true?

[Xiao Long]

Because it's a boring line of questioning when everything's already been discussed in thread.

Halo how were you right when Darude was town?

[Xiao Long]

Yami: So you're saying scum you would kill me but scum you wouldn't kill someone else and then try to WIFOM the town with why scum didn't kill me?

"Give me a direct answer on why you didn't die rather than simply saying it's because you're town"
How am I supposed to answer a question that's impossible for me to know the answer to? Is this even a real question?

[Xiao Long]

Because it's a boring line of questioning when everything's already been discussed in thread.

Halo how were you right when Darude was town?

Because her whole set up with all the PTs stunk of Big Brother and the State from the start.

And now the State is privy to any and all info that was divulged in those PTs.

She’s even helping them now.

I mean this was literally the same thing I thought on D1

Darude having a neighborhood with everyone makes it sound like she’s part of the state just cause of the naming of the faction it would make sense. I don’t know how much the faction names have to do with abilities though.

Doesn't change the fact that they were actually town on D1 so both of us read them wrong.

I def wouldn't kill McMenno. I happen to be a firm believer that scum should kill conftown, and this is true regardless of alignment. Now stop making lame excuses or eat rope. That goes for both of you.

Oh, well that settles it, I should totally believe you when you say you definitely wouldn't kill McMahon. If you're scum, you totally wouldn't lie about that.

Spoiler:

[Xiao Long]

Yami: So you're saying scum you would kill me but scum you wouldn't kill someone else and then try to WIFOM the town with why scum didn't kill me?

"Give me a direct answer on why you didn't die rather than simply saying it's because you're town"
How am I supposed to answer a question that's impossible for me to know the answer to? Is this even a real question?

If you don't answer, then the only way to prove you're both masons is for one of you to die so that the other is confirmed and the potential scum pool is lowered. It would also help you achieve what you want, others scumreading me. Ergo, it benefits all your agendas for one of you two to die: your mason claim becomes the truth and I become a prime suspect. You know what needs to be done.

The fuck?
Others scumreading you is not my main objective, my main objective is to catch scum so town can win. If you are scum, that helps me accomplish my goal. You telling me or RR to offer one of ourselves up is a horrible idea because of this:

The Dead

will win the game if all players that are a part of

The Father of Death

faction are dead and

at least six total players of any faction are still alive.

It's very FoD of you to demand mislynches.

[Xiao Long]

In that case why didn't Van die since you say he's conftown and you say he's the main character?

P-EDIT: That would make sense if I knew for sure Van wasn't scum with you. At this moment I don't. You're seriously trying to push a case against me because I don't have alignment knowledge?

[Xiao Long]

Am I the only one that thinks Yami's logic doesn't add up? Am I missing something that's obvious?

[Xiao Long]

This is yet another point on why you're bsing, the first being you are both still alive, and scum wouldn't kill themselves. You aren't doing yourselves any favors with this blatant fearmongering.

You asked whether I would do WIFOM kills as scum? Not by choice, I assure you. I don't do wifom kills as scum, unless my partner forces me to.

p-edit: Because he is not a mason like you claim to be. Maybe Lappy could give me a straight answer that could convince me. Lappy, why aren't either of you dead, given that you're masons and scum love killing conftown. 'WIFOM' is an unacceptable answer for someone of your calliber, not to mention that scum would def kill you if you are mason, because you'd wreck them otherwise. So again, why aren't you dead, Lappy?

And I'm supposed to just believe what you say? Really, dawg? Have you ever played with other people before?

Am I the only one that thinks Yami's logic doesn't add up? Am I missing something that's obvious?

Work with me here. I am trying fo figure out why conftown isn't dead and you aren't doing yourself any favors by saying 'I don't know' and 'cos WIFOM', especially not when you scumread me, who doesn't do WIFOM kills.

I've already given you my best guesses. You say you don't do WIFOM kills, I have 0 way to verify this aside from meta which is easily manipulated. Why the fuck should I believe anything you say? And if you aren't scum, who's to say whoever IS scum didn't do a WIFOM kill?

Am I the only one that thinks Yami's logic doesn't add up? Am I missing something that's obvious?

I am mostly in agreement with Yume.

Literally, how?

Answer how you have a PT with RR and are not a mason.

How many times do you need the same question answered?

[Xiao Long]

Exactly. You shouldn't believe anything I say, but it works other way around too. You expect me to believe you are masons despite the fact neither or you is dead and therefore there's no way to verify your claims? Well, I don't.

But you're specifically saying I'm scum because I don't believe you about something...

[Xiao Long]

Which couldn't be attributed to WIFOM because....?

[Xiao Long]

Also, why am I scum, pray tell? Because I voted your ''partner' right out of the gate? Because my ability gets in your way?

I don't have "partner", but if you're trying to say Ratatouille, you didn't even vote them until after I voted you.
Neighborizer? If I were scum, how would that get in my way? The fuck?

And I said you're scum because of how you tried to plant doubt into anyone reviewing Darude's reads even though Darude had a town wincon when alive.

[Xiao Long]

No, not the neighborize, but the fact I make both me and my target unkillable and generally untargetable, meaning you can't kill them despite wanting to. You scumread me despite this ability because you don't want me to use it anymore and thus get in the way of your kills. Don't play dumb, not with me.

When was I supposed to know you had that ability?

[Xiao Long]

unvote

I didn’t really look for where you claimed that Yami, but after reading everything stated since I was gone is pretty demotivated cause now I’m dead no matter what.

Either I get lynched cause people think I’m State or I get NK’d cause I was outted as a cop.
For what it’s worth I really did have an inno on Fuzzy and I was planning on investigating either Halo or Almond Charizard tonight.

(Btw AC, I’m totally cool with the Ciao nickname)

Good luck to town, try to stay civil everyone.

[Xiao Long]

Is that actually true or are you just bs’ing?

[Xiao Long]

Then I’ll investigate Halo or AC tonight, since I think one of them is scum.

[Xiao Long]

Fake claiming in a neighborhood and then a different fake claim of masons after I get ran up for the weakest reasons?
That’s more of a Varsoon play, I prefer to play from levels 1-3.
Wanting to lynch a claimed cop is vintage Cheetos though. Maybe I should have investigated you to bring it full circle.

[Xiao Long]

Exactly my point

[Xiao Long]

so your points were
i) "varsoon is more likely to fakeclaim things", which doesnt really have much to do with anything, given that RR was the one who stuck their neck out to fakeclaim for you, all you had to do was not deny it (which is more or less what you did).
ii) "ive seen cheetos push a claimed cop before", by which you mean, i tried to lurk through you trying to push a guilty on me in varsoon mafia.
iii) "maybe i should have investigated cheetos because i think hes scum here". which i think you know better if youre town here.

Nope
1. I'm saying I won't do a play at that level. Varsoon's far better at pulling off stuff like that than I am.
2. You should reread that game, you weren't really lurking.
3. Nah, I don't think you're actually scum, but I should have investigated you to complete the check list.

you had weird as heck engages with titus, as if you were trying to question her motives when shes literally conftown.

Examples?

your earlygame was super off.

In what way?

and your play since the mason claim on you has been coasty.

Not really, I tried to push a couple people, and others have been far more "coasty" than I have, yet you're not voting them.

theres already a claimed and proven 1-shot cop role. and yes, someone is frankly right that varsoon isnt the kind of mod to just put in a straight up cop into a game. theres no apparent reason for you being in a hood with RR. really doesnt add up, at all.

Except I had a way more powerful cop role in Varsoon Mafia than I do now (in that game I couldn't be blocked and my results couldn't be tampered with). I guess you're completely wrong about him not putting one in the game.

[Xiao Long]

*sigh*
All this talk of “oh xiao can’t be a cop cause Varsoon hates cops”

Y’all do realize he hates multiball as well, right? Smh

[Xiao Long]

*sigh*
All this talk of “oh xiao can’t be a cop cause Varsoon hates cops”

Y’all do realize he hates multiball as well, right? Smh

1- Varsoon apparently hates to PLAY in MB, but this certainly isn't his first (or second) time to design a MB setup.

It’s not his first time to include a cop either.

2- You're oversimplifying the issue. I'm not SRing you just for being a Cop, but rather because it doesn't make sense for Town to gave all those powers, and there is already a flipped Town Cop.

Who is a flipped town cop?

3- Another minor reason to SR you is the Town already had a neighbourizer in Furude. Then Yume also can create hoods (forget about her protection for now. I'm only discussing hoods). Then YOU also have that ability!!! Are you telling me all 3 are likely Town?

Despite everyone telling me how wrong I am, I still think Yami is probably scum and the “protection” is really just her choosing not to NK someone.

4- Your neibourizing ability is one shot (correct me if I'm wrong), and The State abilities are one shot. Now add that you already claimed you were specifically looking for TFoD and you might understand.

Ok
1. How would you know if State abilities are one shot or not unless you are State?
2. Did I say I was specifically looking for FoD people? Either way, FoD is red. To me, red = bad.

[Xiao Long]

I find it notable that xiao hasn't been run up closer to lynch by players of 2 scum factions (to me indicating the even MORE likelihood of him being scum)

and he's not defending himself at all, he's closed down, scummm

again, there was no block last Night

Probably because they know I’m not scum and they’re still in a position that if they expose themselves they’ll lose quickly.

I actually have been defending myself some, but everyone’s already got it in their minds that I’m scum, so when i try to push someone they don’t think is scum they’re like “oh scum xiao is trying to divert attention” and if I get on the wagon with them they’ll probably be like “oh scum xiao trying to get town points”.
I’ve been reduced to a BOT and it’s made the game really shit for me.

[Xiao Long]

Who should I block? I'm thinking fuzzy.

Fuzzy is town, why block him?

[Xiao Long]

1. How would you know if State abilities are one shot or not unless you are State?
2. Did I say I was specifically looking for FoD people? Either way, FoD is red. To me, red = bad.

1- Evident from the fact it's mod announced and Vax gets it next.
2- Didn't you claim you were a Cop assigned to catch TFoD? Or did I misunderstand what RR said you claimed to them?

3- If I am wrong on #2 then that's EVEN MORE SUSPICIOUS. A FULL COP + one who is looking for a certain scumster, both Town and in a Varsoon game??

~A50

Did the mod announce their abilities are one shot? I didn’t notice.
@Van: are the abilities you acquire one shot?
I don’t think so. I don’t know if a guilty would tell me if they were FoD or State or not.
And I am reading the game, though not as intently as before. McMahon wasn’t a cop, he could only identify one player and then kill both himself and that player. How is that being a cop?

[Xiao Long]

Was there something more I was supposed to say about my investigation?

[Xiao Long]

Taking Varsoons page tops is my only happiness now

[Xiao Long]

Oh
It just says each night I can visit a player to discover their alignment.

[Xiao Long]

It said Fuzzy’s aligned with the dead

[Xiao Long]

and why aren't you fighting more for you who think is scum, xiao?

You mean like trying to lynch and stuff?
Cause I’m not really able to push things without people viewing it as scum motivated. I personally think scum is in Yami/AC/Havo

[Xiao Long]

xiao, can you give me a larger pool than that? it is D2, I GUESS it is possible there are only 3 scum (that would make the dead power even more ridiculously dead sided), but even granting that, surely you can't be hitting on all 3, who else do you think could be scum? anyone?

I mean, everyone except Tito, Fuzzy and myself COULD be scum, but those three are the only ones I’m feeling right now. Maybe Van? But I’m not sure how the “main character “ thing lines up.

[Xiao Long]

xiao why are you not voting

Thought I was still voting

vote Yami

[Xiao Long]

He is

V: Don't speak for me like that, I'm lurking.

[Xiao Long]

Desk is voteless

[Xiao Long]

Desp

[Xiao Long]

I will probably vote Halo if someone votes Dreamsicle since I think Dream is actually town

[Xiao Long]

Times up

[Xiao Long]

I investigated AC and got the result....


....that Fuzzy is aligned with the dead.

Who redirected me?

[Xiao Long]

Van being teamed with Halo makes sense considering “The Good Doctor” made Protonman and Megan’s man, if that’s who Van really is.

[Xiao Long]

Can anyone explain why my shit redirected?

vote Van

[Xiao Long]

If I was going to lie about a result, I would have just faked a guilty on someone. The fuck is the use of a “fake redirect”? Someone knows what happened and is intentionally keeping it from us.

[Xiao Long]

Can anyone explain why my shit redirected?

vote Van

THis is such bullshit! Did you vote me because you think _I_ redirected you? My role is proven! You think im a fucking re-director on top of this? Why did you target AC if you think I'm scum?????? dreal didnt see any redirection and this is xiao's idea to not have to hand out any more "inno's" on anyone.

If you guys lynch me today before I can talk later tonight, make sure to kill xiao/fuzzy... MAYBE RR

No, I didn’t vote you cause I think you redirected me. I voted you because of this:

Van being teamed with Halo makes sense considering “The Good Doctor” made Protonman and Megan’s man, if that’s who Van really is.

And I investigated AC cause I also thought they might be scum.

[Xiao Long]

If I was going to lie about a result, I would have just faked a guilty on someone. The fuck is the use of a “fake redirect”? Someone knows what happened and is intentionally keeping it from us.

You investigated AC, got Not guilty but kept it to yourself since your scum... because your going to paint yourself int a corner otherwise handing out inno's.

Nope.

someone created a hood with someone
someone caused someone unable to use their abilities toDay and toNight
someone killed somoene
someone sent bomb man to someone
someone investigated someone

Here are the FACTS. Are we seriously going to just xiao lie about this with no issues?

Or Drealmerz is lying?

The specifics here are really hard to fake.

Lol how are they hard to fake?
We already know I investigate people, saying someone investigated someone isn’t hard to fake.
Bomb man was publicly announced.
A kill is obviously assumed since scum is still alive.
Stopping someone from using their abilities is easily assumed since you have that power now.
Yami creating a hood is easily assumed since she stated as much in thread.


How desperate are you going to get, dawg?

[Xiao Long]

I really don’t get why you think I want your lynch when I already said I think you’re town lol


Tito: Come up with a scenario for town Dream regarding the sensor results? Like others said, it could be a redirect that wouldn’t show up for Dream, or it could be town Dream really thinking I’m scum and lying to get a lynch.

I don’t want to vote Dream regardless cause I’m 99.33% (repeating of course) sure Van is scum.

[Xiao Long]

Nah, if I were trying to lynch you it’d be now since Tito apparently wants your lynch. Van is the only lynch I’m interested in today.