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Cerb hasn't checked in since game started. I dropped him some thoughts on things so far.
@Yume - We might have a fruit basket situation. Don't say anything. Wait for confirmation.
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Also just a head's up: Cerb is on vacation and I'm moving in a week, so please bear with us. Anything you want our thoughts on please throw out a bolded@RRto snag our attention. It will help a lot.
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Hi all, on my way back to my friends from Blizzcon, which was amazing.
@Gork: I don't actually undedstand your Xiao thing, but I don't know Xiaos play at all. Is this more meta based, or just behavior x is always scum indicative?
@Xiao: I also don't understand your suspicion of drealm, or your decision to back off. Elaborate.
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@Drealm: I'll need to check with Drixx, but I assume he's spoken with Titus about both our rl situations and thus that statement is NAI. Decent reasoning though.
Havo: I don't know you. Tell me how you play in a sentence.
Oh, and: Who thinks if they were confrown we'd definitely be able to win?
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THIS is not the same reason given in 105. In 105 you say the bs thing that gork is attacking you about, the whole "my unvote is occurring because nobody agrees with me, BUT I'm not moving my vote somewhere else to apply pressure there instead, I'm just gonna back down" thing. This second reason is much better, though still lacks details regarding what about that interaction makes you feel their town. If that interaction makes you think drealmerz is town, what does it tell you about Titus?In post 186, Xiao Long wrote:Did I not explain why I unvoted Dreamsicle?
The Tito and Dreamsicle interaction gives me a town feeling for Dreamsicle now anyways.
Tito seems more headstrong than the last time I played with her, and I’ve only played with town Tito. That’s about the extent of the content y’all gave me.
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@Gork: I take issue with you walking back the strength and conviction in your initial push, while finding other things to be suspicious of. It pings a bit, in that it feels as though you know that first push was completely fabricated so you're preemptively dismissing it yourself before someone else calls you out on it, but reluctant to just drop the wagon as soon as someone questions you about it because that's suspicious. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and you were just trying to outline your entire thought process for me, including your future realizations. :/
Nobody answered my question.
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Also: Hai Yume, ilu. Also, 214 is confusing. You say THEY neighborized you, then say YOU neighborized Titus, and idk if you're talking about one neighborizing action or two, or who initiated it. I also dunno if you should clarify that detail. Probably shouldn't actually, so I should probably just delete this bit calling attention to it, but fuck it.
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Pedit: mmmm. So your unvote was indeed for reasons that looks to be purely consensus scumhunting? At what point are you going to push someone even if everyone is against you?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Confusing post Furude. Implication of belief in scumminess, but the reason you're giving for scumminess is actually not...since their unvote is in line with the implication they made that they don't have anything on them...
Am I misreading that post?
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If that's their style sure. Is it? Is this out of character?In post 232, Furude Hanyu wrote:
Ok but it would have been a great way to start sorting them now wouldn't it?In post 229, Reasonably Rational wrote:since their unvote is in line with the implication they made that they don't have anything on them...
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@gork: I'm not particularly concerned atm, but I am making sure everyone else notices something that COULD be suspicious behavior. Haven't played with scum!you, so harder determination to make.
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VOTE: Gorkington
You feel weird as fuck man. That last exchange is super o.o.
You're being way sillier than you were last time when we were town together.
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To be clear, the quoted post is fine. It's the one before that which feels strange blah blah.In post 267, Gorkington wrote:
how are you voting yume for this over me or xiao?In post 246, drealmerz7 wrote:your first post about creating teams was bad but I'm used to you being bad, but wtf is this shit? outing someone else's ability? you can die, this sort of thing is incredibly scummy and if you're town doing it you're a giant liability.
if youre not voting xiao out of principle of me being on the wagon because you think im scum, vote me instead of being a coward.
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Eh, I don't recall your vecna exchange being nearly as tongue in cheek.
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Also, WHY IS NO ONE ANSWERING MY FUCKING QUESTION!!???
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In post 181, Reasonably Rational wrote:Hi all, on my way back to my friends from Blizzcon, which was amazing.
@Gork: I don't actually undedstand your Xiao thing, but I don't know Xiaos play at all. Is this more meta based, or just behavior x is always scum indicative?
@Xiao: I also don't understand your suspicion of drealm, or your decision to back off. Elaborate.
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@Drealm: I'll need to check with Drixx, but I assume he's spoken with Titus about both our rl situations and thus that statement is NAI. Decent reasoning though.
Havo: I don't know you. Tell me how you play in a sentence.
Oh, and: Who thinks if they were confrown we'd definitely be able to win?
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Confrown was obviously supposed to be conftown. ^^
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Pedit: Evil Varsoon.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Interesting assertion. So you think you're so wrong that scum will kill you early because doing so won't throw suspicion on any of them? :p
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So this is kinda awkward. Cerb is at Blizzcon and I can't get his attention. YOLO or whatever the youngins say these days:
Xiao is not scum!
How do I know? I know because we're masons with them. Yes for realsies. Mod confirmed to one another and everything.
So get the hell of Xiao and re-calibrate.
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It's not a fake claim. I don't put my reads (especially day one reads) above anyone else so I don't do fake claim shit like that.In post 306, Gorkington wrote:drixx
im telling you upfront
that if this is a fakeclaim
and youre town
im blacklisting you for good.
dont do this if youre just townreading xiao.
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@Xiao: I got Cerb's attention for a minute. Check PT and do the thing.
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Every time we're masons we get misread as scum. Every. Fucking. Time. As soon as we got our Role PM I told Cerb that I was going to end up claiming day one because either we were gonna get run up or Xiao would.In post 311, Gorkington wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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i was literally reading both of you on opposite scumteams.
q.q
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This, plus despacito is our pool imo. Titus obviously isn't suck. I'd prefer to lynch one of the people who just piled on without cause. Despacito or Vax. Open to Gork, but he talks enough to figure out, and he's useful if he's town. ^^In post 275, Varsoon wrote:"The man who turns the wheels, they will follow
Anywhere he leads."
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Xiao Long (4):Gorkington, Titus, Vaxkiller, Yume
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Thoughts Titus?
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Oh, also confident I can read Hume correctly with a little time, so also not a concern.
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In post 306, Gorkington wrote:drixx
im telling you upfront
that if this is a fakeclaim
and youre town
im blacklisting you for good.
dont do this if youre just townreading xiao.
If these two posts read genuine to you, then Gork is probably town. The first one, if genuinely emotional, is exactly what I would expect from town who believes they found scum and then someone steps in and clears them and he's worried it's not a true claim.In post 311, Gorkington wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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i was literally reading both of you on opposite scumteams.
q.q
The second post is weak evidence for not being really well informed and not paying attention to role PM closely. This game is almost certainly some iteration of the 3 discreet factions like from SU2. We have most of us in the dead (town). Then there's "The State", which is colored green so I'm assuming they are something like the Crystal Gems from SU2 where they have to keep us alive to win (although with Varsoon that's not a perfectly safe assumption to make; he will certainly have iterated on the idea and trying to outguess him is a fool's errand). Then there's "The Father of Death" faction which is red and presumably is scum in the traditional sense.
I think those posts are probably genuine which makes me think Gork is probably town (or perhaps state; I could see a state aligned gork posting the 2nd post to throw us off that trail).
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I would like to see more out of Desperado, Yume, Havo, Vax and Fuzzy, personally. It's a blitz game so I'm confused at the current pace of the game.In post 337, Xiao Long wrote:TheFuzzylogic99
Furude Hanyu (Alisae & zachstralkita)
Almost Chara (Almost50 & Not Chara)
Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
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McMenno sheepsaysmeep
Yume
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Vaxkiller
Titus
Unless I'm wrong about Cheetos (which given his conviction about me and his arguments with Dreamsicle, I don't think I am), we have 9 people to sort now which makes things a lot easier.
Of those 9, I can see scum being among Despacito, Yami and Darude the most.
Everyone, who of those 9 is the most suspicious to you?
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Hopefully Titus can put together a fruit basket today for us. Want to give your town reads and thoughts?In post 340, Yume wrote:I am not sure who to scumread now.....
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@Farude - Gross posts. It's pretty obvious that Cerb was protecting that we are masons. What was he going to tell you to explain why I was sure Xiao was not scum that wouldn't reveal that we're masons? It's almost like us being masons is somehow threatening to you. I can't recall seeing either of you grasp at straws like this before.
@Almost Chara - There is someone who has the role of 'The Reporter', so that may in fact be a player message. That player had to be alive in order for Xiao's ability to work. Thus me pushing Farude to obvtown in the hood and Cerb asking the question he did in thread. Since we have no idea who the reporter is, we agreed with Xiao that he should pop it today.
@McMenno - Explain read plz? Interested if you saw something I saw.
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Go look at any Varsoon game ever and then you'll realize you shouldn't be trying to outguess the modfather. Just stop it. The next thing you're going to argue is that Elvis is alive and playing in this game.In post 390, Furude Hanyu wrote:In post 1, Varsoon wrote:In order to avoid players from gaming the flavor of this setup, every player will be given a default 'Citizen' Role PM. Members of The Dead will not know their true identity until they are dead.
While roles will still have unique mechanical abilities, their unique flavor will not be revealed until being flipped upon death in the game thread.
Also these mechanicsIn post 1, Varsoon wrote:In this game, there are three factions confirmed to be a part of the setup.
These factions are The State, The Dead, and The Father of Death.
The Dead is the default uninformed majority faction, typically referred to as 'Town'. The default win-condition of The Dead has two possibilities for achieving a win:
The Dead will win the game if all players that are a part of The Father of Death faction are dead and at least six total players of any faction are still alive.
The Dead will win the game if all players that are a part of The State faction are dead and at least two members of The Dead faction is still alive.
The Dead will lose the game if they ever have only one member left alive at any given time.
make 0 sense for masons.
I mean sure it could be my lack of understanding of mechanics
but these mechanics don't make sense to me with me for masons.
Masons don't make sense mechanicly
lynch them.
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Working to get solid reads on strong players and then picking one to make into an IC who isn't likely to be killed since killing her won't advance any wincon is scummy play? You think that ABILITY is scummy? Like ... really?In post 393, Furude Hanyu wrote:
Ok then vote us because by play you're scumIn post 391, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Farude - Gross posts.
The rest of you as confused by Farude right now as I am?
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P-Edit: @drealmerz7 - We knew about the ability because we're masons with Xiao and he told us about it. We talked about when to use it and because it depends on an unknown player who is 'The Reporter' to work, we agreed it should be used today. From that point, we worked on trying to get a hard town read from amongst a group of players we felt would do best as an IC with no incentive to be killed. We agreed on Titus and I claimed because Xiao was in danger of being mislynched.
Saying anything MORE than that would be a bad idea.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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We were torn between using it on Furude, who is legitimately the most suspicious slot in the game to us, mechanically speaking due to all these silly hoods they have going on(which is why I immediately disavowed knowledge of drixxs townread on Xiao, better to be dissonant than make our masonry obvious as drixx was doing), and Titus. We decided to target Titus because even though she was more likely to be town, having her as an unknown would make it MUCH harder to solve the game than it will be knowing we can work with her and trust her goals.
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In post 475, Xiao Long wrote:Far too much set up speculation in a Varsoon game. Just seems like people are trying to spin WIFOM everywhere to confuse town.
Yami: Ratatouille’s question was referring to making someone an IC, my response was an embarrassing misunderstanding
vote: Despacito
For now, but still looking at others
Why are gork and Yume town? Has learning you were wrong about Xiao changed your position on anything?In post 287, Desperado wrote:
1/3 aint bad i guessIn post 265, drealmerz7 wrote:my vote is now fluid between xiao, gork, and yume
vote: xiao
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The Xiao quote shouldn't be there.
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He has 7 posts, and I quoted the only one worth a damn. :p The rests are fluff or explaining his nickname problem with xiao...or voting for Vax after xiao and us revealed our masonry.In post 494, Almost Chara wrote:i'm used to McMenno being "lazy" from my limited experience with him. the attitude towards RR is bothering me.
McMenno: what did your "reading comprehension" comment even mean? did i misunderstand something?
i'll ISO Desperado when i get a minute. i like it more than the Furude wagon only because i don't have a read on Desp.
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Farude has dropped some misrepresentations in here concerning things Cerb or I said, and each of them came along with planting doubt about our slot.
At the same time, they're busy in their PT with Xiao trying to use lies to elicit some response they can use against him. For example:- First they lied to Xiao and said that Yume doesn't usually do nicknames/codes and fluff and spent time trying to get Xiao to tell them anything we had said about Yume. After Xiao said they should ask us themselves, they said they were trying to get Xiao to say that we had agreed that Yume doesn't usually play the way she has so far with the nicknames and fluff posts.
- Ongoing right now they are telling Xiao that we know Yume's role and have told them (Farude hydra) but kept it from Xiao for some reason.
Add to their shady behavior the fact that they have claimed to have a PT with every slot, one on one. Obviously we know this is true for a couple slots, and nobody spoke up since that claim and said otherwise. The problem with that role is that it literally doesn't work as a town role. Scum would know and just kill the slot if it is at all competent, for obvious reasons. It does make sense for a "Father of Death" role though.
From the moment I stepped in (against Cerb's wishes) and claimed to keep Xiao from being mislynched, Farude hydra has reacted to us as if we're a huge threat. Constant shading and doubtcasting and now outright lying to our partner in what looks/feels like an attempt to get Xiao to make a mistake when answering the freaking spanish inquisition they're putting on so they can come to the thread with more than easily shot down misrepresentation of Cerb and I.
Pretty damned sure Farude hydra is scum at this point. Seeing no town motive in their behavior whatsoever. Waiting for Cerb to pop back around but pretty sure that Furude hydra is the right lynch.
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@Furude: I'm the head that's vocal about hating people not signing, and I've been too busy to be concerned with it. So yeah, kinda gave up on that too soon. :p
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If we posit them as town: Well scum would know because each of them would have a 1on1 PT with them. So that means they are outed to scum straightaway as a role. Then consider Xiao's ability to make someone an IC with no incentive for scum to kill them (Titus no longer counts in terms of win condition, so killing her doesn't help scum except by silencing her, and now that she blabbed she is BP they don't even have to fear her role). That would mean a town!Farude becomes a super safe person to funnel role results through to Titus who can claim them and know who they come from but doesn't out the people unless it's necessary. It's an absurd info nexus and would make town by far the most informed group.In post 524, drealmerz7 wrote:drixx, can you elaborate on "obvious reasons" a bit?
So a town slot with that role just gets killed night 1 by any competent scum team.
Now this is a Varsoon game so I spent most of the time since I outed Xiao and us giving Furude the benefit of the doubt, but at this point the slot's behavior paired with the role being so unlikely to be given to town has me pretty sure they're scum.
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Man we're totally ganging up on Varsoon and ninja snagging his pagetops like crazy.
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If you ignore our history with Titus, as well as other sekrit things, absolutely.In post 528, Gorkington wrote:this is probably just navel gazing but
wouldnt using that ability on furude been the best possible utility for it?
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Oh, and you also have to consider that if furude is town, then with our ability in the game that could easily be ridiculously unbalanced...as drixx was sayinf. But if they're SCUM, then their role is guaranteed to put them under scrutiny. I would expect them to be ascetic or a gf, so using that ability on them possibly screws them over, depending on the form of their immunity.
Pure spec though ofc. Maybe it was just mechanically the best choice and we made the wrong one. :/
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VOTE: Furude
No vote was there yet.
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For the record, I want desperado dead too. ^^ just less concerned about the harm he can do to the game than the harm furude could do.
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Yep.In post 538, Xiao Long wrote:By my count that’s L1, should we at least wait for claim?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Why is the lynch bullshit? Use your words, last time I checked you weren't bad at that.
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I'm not scum reading you for questioning us. Mechanically there was a certain degree of suspicion from before our claim. Questioning us is reasonable, though it should probably be a lower priority than you're placing on it.
@everyone: Have you claimed anything to furude in your pt with them? If so, don't say what it is, just confirm that you've done so. Furude, please pass anything that has been claimed to you, on to Titus. She can do what she wants with it, but if we're wrong I want her to be working with maximum information, and I also want to ensure that scum do not have more information than town due to people claiming too much to furude.
Don't claim anything more, btw. Just want to make sure knowledge is passed on.
Furude, also...just saying x is y, without saying WHY that's the case, is useless.
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Games full of scumbutts. Everyone is sucking at obvtowning, or else I'm just bad. I'm probably just bad. :/ Haven't played lately.
And it's a lower priority because...SCUM WILL KILL US, SO ONLY BE WORRIED IF WE DON'T DIE! Pretty obvious imo. :please
Keeping you around another day was something I kinda wanted just to see if you'd live through the night, and if you did we'd just autolynch you, but my other head disagreed.
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The bolded is the best reason to think they're town that I've thought of, but I have enough respect for Alisae and have played with them enough times(not a lot, but enough) to think they could do it specifically because of how ballsy it is.In post 599, Almost Chara wrote:22 hours to deadline means i won't be there when it hits.
i wrote, then continued to write even as i remembered it doesn't actually matter. :<
i don't really want to lynch Furude.discrediting the masons privately and publicly is a ballsy scum move, especially when one of them is RR. they'd immediately get blowback when RR flipped town. plus, the thought process that was explained to me in the hood (essentially the same as what's here publicly, i believe) is something i can definitely buy from town Alisae.
i'd rather lynch McMenno. Desp, i can't seem to form an opinion on beyond "not much". i haven't read a few of the more recent pages, though.
~Chara
pedit: sounds like it's decided already i suppose. that's a good idea at least.
Like I said earlier though, lots of scumbutts here unfortunately. :/
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I really really want a vc. :/
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Hmm. What you were doing was searching for inconsistencies in the way the two of us responded.
Let's break down why what you were doing wasn't beneficial to town.
1) If we were scum, we had a pt together. Therefore, our answers would be fine. Therefore, you couldn't have caught scum from that play.
2) if we just had a pt together and were town lying, you still wouldn't have been able to figure that out from what you were doing.
3) if we were town completely gambiting and lying with no pt together...what you did could have had an effect.
So, only one option actually accomplishes something. Let's talk about WHAT it accomplishes:
It tells you that we can't possibly be masons together(at least, not as normally handled, with a pt and everything), or that we gave a hold together. NEITHER of those things actually determine the alignment of either of our slots. We could still be lying. We could be scum together. We could be gambiting town togethed. We could be one scum and a fooled town vouching for them.
Yes, it's valuable to town to know those are the options, but you know who that knowledge is even more are useful for? Scum who have just had an IC-like effect popped in their face and also saw two masons and now need to determine if there's ANY way they can keep from having to shoot the masons, by maybe finding out that they don't even have a pt together and thus can't be masons.
Because again, that's all you could do. You could find out we can't possibly be masons, which would mean that drixx and I decided to lie for Xiao because we town read him, and NOTHING more, if you were town. If you were scum, though, it changes the entire way you play the game.
Which is, again, why I said questioning US on our masonry was a lower priority than you placed on it.
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I'm happy with any of those three. I appreciate the STU acronym and lifestyle and furudes shit still definitely stinks.
Gork, do you prefer desp to mcmenno? If not, why do you even offer them as an alternative? And why is Menno the first one you suggestion, purely wagon count? If so, I'd like to remind yout that Xiao and us will be voting together, and hopefully Titus too, and we're all active so significant wagon swings can happen.
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For reals yo, the line you took makes a hell of a lot more sense coming from scum than town. Unfortunately, I know you're not stupid, so I can't just assume you're bad town doing a dumb thing because you convinced yourself it actually had value....cuz that's basically the only option explaining why you thought you'd get something helpful out of asking us shit like how many pages were in our pt.
So, basically, the point of my entire post was just just that the line you took just makes more sense coming from scum than town, unless you're bad town who doesn't think, and I know you're not. The fact that you're doubling down on defending it, instead of thinking critically and realizing oh right, that was actually pretty fucking useless, doesn't help matters either.
@ac: don't think drealm is going to develop the pull necessary to actually make us do what he wants. Could be wrong though.
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Do you think town with farudes ability is going to act like they did, and just neighborize fucking everyone D1, insuring scum know they have hoods with multiple people and making themselves a certain target when leaky people inevitably reveal they have a bunch of hoods?In post 681, Vaxkiller wrote:Do you guys really think scum is going to act like Farude is? Take a hard stance against a mason claim putting themselves out there int he light?
It just makes more sense for me that farude is a scum gf whose ability is MEANT to draw xiaos power and fake confirm them and fuck over town ti make up for masons+IC.
Ofc, if they don't have a firm of investigation immunity and are scum, then I'm kinda confused about everything.
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I'm not trying to outguess Varsoon? I just know what Xiao and I can do, and you don't make sense in that universe. That's what made me care about your slot. The whole stupid not actually able to get AI results thing you were doing was also pretty bad, but bothers drixx a lot more than me.^^ I'm really just killing time poking you right now until Drixx wakes up so I can see if sleeping has made him any less certain.
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Wait, played accordingly like neighborizing everybody and then claiming said hoods without any reason to do so, thus making sure that any cop that existed would have a very good reason to investigate you?In post 691, Furude Hanyu wrote:
lmao if we were a godfather we would have won just period.In post 688, McMenno wrote:Well I don't think furude is a gf
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I don't get lynched D1 as town and I'm not under this much heat D1 as town.
If we were a gf we would be getting copped tonight because we would have played accordingly.
Mcmenno: Xiao ability publicly reveals alignments, functioning as a cop. Therefore, if something messes up the alignment reveal, that's not bastard. Though there was something about the ability possibly failing and being refunded if so...but if it would fail on frigging scum, that's EVEN stronger since you could just try again.
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Pedit; why do you keep saying you're not being allowed to speculate? You've said it like 4 times. I don't give a fuck if you speculate?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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I'll ask Xiao to confirm with Varsoon.In post 702, Gorkington wrote:okay wait, can you double check with varsoon whether your role would give a false positive on a godfather or not?
because honestly that seems straight up bastard if it functions that way.
its almost on the same level as an innocent child ability for scum unless the ability explicitly dictates that it could get a false positive from a godfather-esque role
And yeah, I assume ascetic as well, but if furude were ascetic....as scum they'd have claimed it with their ability. Might be other ascetics around though.
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Pedit: cool. I'll do this until drixx gets here, maybe he'll yell at me to swap back. I'm happy with either. :p
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Omg Mcmenno is offering content. Much amaze.
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Menno is somewhere between l-2 and lynched.
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Just waiting for xiao and drixx to weigh in.
I'm intrigued by Vax just sheeping the biggest wagon again and not really playing though.
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Vax didn't do the sheeping thing with furure though. Just xiao and menno. How interesting.
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Probably. :p just thinkin out loud though really.
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Pedit: sure. So is vax. And yume. And tfl. And any other do nothings around. And everyone else too. :lShow"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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My vote is there in spirit. Also on furude in spirit. And I'll be here to make it a reality. ^^
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Cool, so, read the fucking game and give us more than you have so far.
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Pedit: Xiao and myself will, and that will put you tied as the lynch for today. You have absolutely no town cred, and no defenders. You are very much at risk of being lynched today.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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