I don't understand. Is this something that only yumi does that is a scum tell?
xD
I was intending for it to mean scum slip and just called it a Yami slip for fun. I’ve never played with Yami aside from a different game that’s in progress so Idk
I wanted to make sure because I really don't find what they said to be particularly scummy.
If you do find it scummy, doesn't their comment seem directed at trying to deflect from dreal?
Vaxkiller is not anti-vaccine, he is a killer of Vax machines.
@Drealmerz, You antagonize like this regardless of alignment. It's come to the point where I cannot determine what good you do for town. You nitpick at Gork who is town early, you attack me, you attack Yume. You refuse to discuss reads saying too early on D2. Why should I keep you?
I was just on a walk and found my neighbor horse eating a foil balloon.
FUCK ALL THE PERPETUATORS OF TRASH, CONSUMERIST OBLIVIOUS FUCKSTICKS WHO CONTINUE TO DESTROY THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY LIKE SHINY THINGS AND HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY
Van: It does, but that doesn’t mean much to me cause scum defend town all the time. Plus maybe Yami thinks there’s something Darude told me or someone else about them and they’re trying to cover everything and get in front of other people using Darude hood evidence.
This could all be ridiculous speculation, but I’m leaving my vote for now.
"The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent."
@drealmerz Prove me wrong by saying 'Yume's play sucks' rather than 'Yume sucks' and then applying the same treatment towards everyone. I want you to criticize the play rather than players.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
right, I'm the antagonizer...seriously titus, it pretty much only happens in games that you're in because you're so terribad at understanding much of anything during a game and it's fucking infuriating, and then you just delude yourself with complete inaccuracies and it's nearly impossible to deal with when you only think what you want to think and are completely closed to anything else (even when presented with concrete evidence that shows you you are wrong, you just refuse to even acknowledge it - it's disgusting)
yume, any time I say you suck, it is about your play, I don't fucking know you and I'm here to play a game why would I be making statements about who you are as a person?
Well, some people won't see it that way. Some people will assume that yo think thy suck as a player unless you specifically mention their play sucks, so keep that in mind.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
And no, not all the times you criticized people are centered around Moonie. In fact, I was around when your feud with Moonie started. You criticized first and when she called you out on your BS is when yo started your blood feud with her. Either way, you are not a wholly innocent party antagonized by big bad Moonie.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 1427, drealmerz7 wrote:I was just on a walk and found my neighbor horse eating a foil balloon.
FUCK ALL THE PERPETUATORS OF TRASH, CONSUMERIST OBLIVIOUS FUCKSTICKS WHO CONTINUE TO DESTROY THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY LIKE SHINY THINGS AND HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY
And then this. Let me guess, Moonie made you feel compelled to insult your neighbor's horse?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
@whoever is busy going on about furude lying/having nefarious intentions:
Nothing in their role pm indicates any knowledge of what the state win condition looks like. How could they have been playing towards a win con they knew nothing about? In addition, their win con while alive was CLEARLY the town win con AND they were trying to keep from dying...which doesn't make sense if they were planning on trying to win with the state.
I believe we should take everything they said at face value as coming from town essentially. They may have tried to get people to claim to give themselves a better chance of winning post death, but that seems like the only thing their traitor type effect would have changed about their play.
Something that's worth doing, though, is looking through their iso for traitor crumbs and seeing if anyone did anything to respond to them.
@Yume: my potential scum pool is this
AC
Yume
Havo
Vax
What are your thoughts on the names there that aren't your own?
@Fuzzy: Good thought on the alternating kill control theory. Quite possible.
Regarding Menno death: it's possible the state both shot at Menno and used their power on him just in case he survived, but I think it's more likely the state just used their power on him and the other faction shot at him to make it SEEM like the state were in charge of the nk.
Why do I think this?
Our win con. With two kills per night, and my ability that I'm incentivized to use early, after tomorrow night the expected living players are 6, which means only two lynches to achieve the FoD removal wincon. I don't think that's a reasonable number of chances to succeed at that win con(unless the FoD faction is just one slot, which is possible I guess?). With one kill per night, there are 3 lynches to pull that off in, which is more reasonable.
In addition, there was a decent bit of conversations about who the "real" scum were, and generally speaking the killing faction(s) are considered the primary threats. By killing the only slot who was known to be a threat to the state, they minimized the chance of getting stoppee by protectIves from going after conftown, and made it more likely town would focus more on removing state than FoD, whenever we get a hint of one over the other.
After writing that out, it feels super conspiracy theory, lol. Such marginal benefit to whoever performed the kill. :/ Maybe they were just redirected or something. :/
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Fuzzy, can you answer the question I asked Yume please and thank you. Don't need to answer my question from earliee, that was just to support Titus' reaction test. ^^ I always knew you were town.
-Cerb
And the bit about her joining the stat is there in the flipped role PM, so unless you are arguing that they didn't have that part in their original role PM, they knew all along they would join the state upon dying. Their win condition may have been townie, but the part about them joining the state upon death had to have been a part of their ability.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Is Vax town by play or purely by role? How is AC null? They've certainly said enough to develop feelings one way or another. How do you feel about their push on McMenno? How about drealmerz unwillingness to lynch Menno d1, but plan for him ti be lynched at a later date?
-Cerb
Pedit; thanks for the reminder
@Varsoon: did Furude know they would be joining the state upon death, and that the pts they had created would become visible to the state? Did they know the state win con before their death?
I assume they did, but let's confirm. And if they did, it doesn't change my point at all. How would they play towards a win con they didn't know? How would they lie in a way that would be helpful for a win con they didn't know?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Like there is a citizen flavor, then the abilities, then wincon, so even if the wincon was obscured, their abilities, which joining the state upon death should fall under, wouldn't be obscured.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Yep, I get that. I'm just saying I don't see how they could have played in any sort of way negative to town, or WHY they would have done that, when they didn't know their post death win con.
I think this conversation might be wandering to the point where it's not useful though.
Any answer for the questions I just asked?
-Cerb
Pedit: thanks gork! Thoughts on AC, yume, havo, and Vax please?
Why should anyone believe your mason claim when you or Xiao was not shot? Since when do masons get an ability to confirm anyone else? This Drealmerz vote is akin to the Math vote in Stevens Universe. Why do you oppose?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
a50 doesnt seem like scuma50
but chara feels a bit off.
havo's not doing enough and seems off.
yume feels townish but ive seen her get bogged down in dramatic fights as both scum and town so would prefer her to just drop talking to drealm and focus on beating up people she thinks are scum if shes town.
vax's role is strong.
if vax is town/not on the killing faction im guessing hes not going to be around for too long.
Don't need to answer my question from earliee, that was just to support Titus' reaction test. ^^ I always knew you were town.