Mini 1962: Magical Girls Mafia II (Day 4)

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: the brain and pinky

not even RVS

good to see redflavor thinks the same. btw red, mastina is one half of the brain and pinky hydra, the 'mastina' account isn't the one playing. just a heads up.

so our hydra, redflavor and brain and pinky share a neighborhood. I suggest the way mastina approached the neighborhood was scummy. she spoke about calling it a masonry and lock everyone town in it, which strikes me as oddly unsuspicious and the way she spoke about makes me feel she wasn't joking. I think there's a chance mastina was levelling with us to see what our reaction would be, but on it's face it's definitely not how town!anyone would approach neighborhood.

I'm probably wrong but this is where I'm at.

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

Eli will bring the reads, I will bring the charisma

-Mulch

that charisma gets you wagoned ~every d1 now

tell eli I'm town

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

Actually it was RVS but mastina wasn't very unsuspicious
My joke was putting no jokes

alright. I like you didn't go for the free mindmeld town lean, tho I assume if my push is wrong and you're scum, you might be self aware enough not to do that anyway.

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

Toranaga is town.
Also Mastin tries to mason gambit whenever she rolls neighborhood so I wouldn't worry about it.

a 3 player town masonry in a 13 player game is nothing short of ridiculous. I won't drop that read because I feel there was more to it that I'd have a hard time explaining here, other than she didn't read honest to me.

Hi Alisae

[HardcoreMonkey]

sorry forgot to logout from main ACC.

I feel beeboy has a higher than rand scum equity just for calling me town that easily. still waiting for alisae to post...

[HardcoreMonkey]

looks like a pogger to me

damn I'm curious

Nope

I'll give you a hint


They play more of my turbos than you do

oh I liked it better when Himiko was a mystery to me

rip

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm guessing almost everything in this page is awfully alignment indicative, I'm just not sure which way yet

I like that we ended RVS as soon as toranaga sama started posting

[HardcoreMonkey]

you're not in my neighborhood to read how she approached the whole thing. I'm a bit suspicious of you starting with "if this is true" as well, as if I'm saying something that makes sense to lie about.

?
I'm not in your neighborhood, but you said what happened no?
What you descibed feels oddly similar to what she did in another game.
This is weird because, you said that there's no reason for you to lie about what you said, but then say it's suspicious of me to take your words at face value?

there's a gap between being there and being told what happened, right? You can assume I'm trying to accurately describe what happened, and that would still be tainted with my perspective on it + I don't think my description went further than saying Mastina talked about claiming town masons. You do not have enough to call mastina a villager, do you kaede?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Hi I'm Monkey. Literally have no idea how to read any one of you except Mastina who's been very sketchy in the neighborhood chat. And also Kaeda who I scumread for having an inorganic opinion about Mastina's alignment. I'm gonna VOTE: Kaeda but Toranaga might unvote later because we haven't established a system to communicate.

What do you guys know about the neighborhood? Do you just know that TBP and us were part of it? Do you know the exact number of people in this neighborhood?

Also this game is kinda wonka i dont know why does anybody feel that too

[HardcoreMonkey]

VOTE: The Brain and the Pinky

-humaneatingmonkey

[HardcoreMonkey]

HardcoreMonkey tops the list,
RedFlavor follows, you get the gist.
Kaede Akamatsu is not far behind,
Ice Cream Sand Witch is a townread of mine.
Elizibereth is next down,
Maki Harukawa is approaching 'no longer in the pile of town'.
Kokichi Oma, still not likely scum,
Kaito Momota is also not likely one.
Panzerjager is where we start to see suspicion,
itissheaanderrantparabola is almost a given.
Himiko Yumeno is nearly the strongest,
Lady Lambdadelta is for scumreads, best.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
Because she's scum, duh.

I really enjoy this reads list as it mirrors a lot of my own thoughts in the game so far (Eli villagery, Ice Cream villagery, Himiko wolfy). I don't think Mastina is making herself hard to read with the poetry format, but I can see it annoying other players anyway. I have a bunch of thoughts in the game I didn't display yet for reasons, mainly my own laziness, but I'll be on it in a bit.

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

also at this point

vote: redflavor

reflavor is low hanging fruit as a villager but I don't like how he disappeared after those initial posts and I also don't like how he phrased himself wrt mastina.

when I'm back I'm expanding my thoughts on everything. if mastina is scum she really pocketed me with the neighborhood thread.

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

to sum up:

mastina took a large dump on everyone in her neighborhood and tried -coaching- HEM on how to scumhunt, to which HEM predictably react with calling her scum and shutting down conversation.

mastina >>rand town for all of that. playing with town!HEM is good! he gets interactions going in ways that are very alignment indicative.

[HardcoreMonkey]

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nah with me it's just massive wanting

It's dreamy weather we're on
You waved your crooked wand
Along an icy pond with a frozen moon
A murder of silhouette crows I saw
And the tears on my face
And the skates on the pond
They spell Alisae

[HardcoreMonkey]

UFO i got a role that I’ve always wanted to get

Salty I got it in a hydra tho

in before town fruit vendor

[HardcoreMonkey]

in standard ufo fashion I have no idea what my role does yet

[HardcoreMonkey]

my hydra with HEM, mastina's hydra with ginnie, and redflavor

[HardcoreMonkey]

I think Maki is a PR, tho because he said he is a level 2 cop

[HardcoreMonkey]

~humaneatingmonkey

[HardcoreMonkey]

I still think that scum wouldn't actually want that kind of attention in the middle of the game.

-2 townpoints for you Ice Cream for trying to sway me from my townread on Maki.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Isn't it scummy that Ice Cream is fluff posting and pushing the lynch of no one else but Maki?

[HardcoreMonkey]

VOTE: Ice Cream Sand Witch

[HardcoreMonkey]

I also want to talk about the power gauge. What does it do?

[HardcoreMonkey]

it's not in mafiawiki

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm here, caught up and got reads to share

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

on the Maki vs Ice argument: I don't quite understand anyone's perspective in it. Ice claiming bulletproof early is NAI any way you slice it, and Maki using it to scumread Ice is stretchy, but doesn't quite make sense for scum!Maki to make such a wild push that doesn't work. I'm slightly bothered by Alisae reading into bad logic, but not reading into motivation. Alisae is generally a slow starter if my perception is accurate, so this strong scumread on maki is quite offputting. I think some of Maki's reactions here are quite towny as she is trying to determine motivation in Ice's hard push on her as scum, and I also like Ice projecting a townread after the t-dome. Still, something a little offputting in everyone here. Gun to my head: both town.

Elizebereth: Two things I like from that slot: Calling me town when I told Mulch to tell Eli I'm town (this is awfully meta related for things I've done that I expect town!mulch to read into correctly, while scum!mulch might act with more cautious than to TMI spew a read), and voting Kaede immediately after this scummy Kaede post:

I suggest the way mastina approached the neighborhood was scummy. she spoke about calling it a masonry and lock everyone town in it, which strikes me as oddly unsuspicious and the way she spoke about makes me feel she wasn't joking. I think there's a chance mastina was levelling with us to see what our reaction would be, but on it's face it's definitely not how town!anyone would approach neighborhood.

If this is true.
1) She was probably serious.
2) She's probably also town.

which brings me to kaede: I don't like that slot and don't think it's been townie. That post I quoted was the most AI thing Kaede said ITG, because she simply didn't have the necessary information for the strong townread on mastina. Other than that, I don't like the excessive amount of posts spent in the Maki;Ice argument and I feel she has given safe stances on it and didn't push anything herself other than asking Himiko a few times why she is getting townread based off her first post (which I do think is townie).

My stance on mastina hasn't changed, I think she is town and HEM thinks she is scum. I was expecting more from neighborhood chat but it's been quite dead.

Redflavor: didn't do anything this game. as low and hanging as any fruit could possibly be, but I think this response to me in p1 is awkward:

Actually it was RVS but mastina wasn't very unsuspicious
My joke was putting no jokes

the 'mastina wasn't very unsuspicious' is very awkwardly phrased, as if redflavor was trying to say different, opposing things at once. I also don't like how redflavor popped in to say who was in neighborhood without saying anything else about the game. He is also generally a bit more trollish and free flowy than what I'm seeing here.

so those are some reads.

[HardcoreMonkey]

on the Maki vs Ice argument: I don't quite understand anyone's perspective in it. Ice claiming bulletproof early is NAI any way you slice it, and Maki using it to scumread Ice is stretchy, but doesn't quite make sense for scum!Maki to make such a wild push that doesn't work. I'm slightly bothered by Alisae reading into bad logic, but not reading into motivation. Alisae is generally a slow starter if my perception is accurate, so this strong scumread on maki is quite offputting. I think some of Maki's reactions here are quite towny as she is trying to determine motivation in Ice's hard push on her as scum, and I also like Ice projecting a townread after the t-dome. Still, something a little offputting in everyone here. Gun to my head: both town.

What does wolf Maki here do though?
Backing off while we continue to hammer on her doesn't really help her.

I'm quite skeptical of wolf!Maki thinking that reasoning would resonate with anyone or make her look towny.

is this alisae or beeboy I'm talking to?

[HardcoreMonkey]

on the Maki vs Ice argument: I don't quite understand anyone's perspective in it. Ice claiming bulletproof early is NAI any way you slice it, and Maki using it to scumread Ice is stretchy, but doesn't quite make sense for scum!Maki to make such a wild push that doesn't work. I'm slightly bothered by Alisae reading into bad logic, but not reading into motivation. Alisae is generally a slow starter if my perception is accurate, so this strong scumread on maki is quite offputting. I think some of Maki's reactions here are quite towny as she is trying to determine motivation in Ice's hard push on her as scum, and I also like Ice projecting a townread after the t-dome. Still, something a little offputting in everyone here. Gun to my head: both town.

What does wolf Maki here do though?
Backing off while we continue to hammer on her doesn't really help her.

I'm quite skeptical of wolf!Maki thinking that reasoning would resonate with anyone or make her look towny.

is this alisae or beeboy I'm talking to?

Beeboy.
I mean I've pushed shitty lines of reasoning as scum in hopes that people come out thinking I am town for it. and both times I did it, it worked really well and one of those times I still managed to get the lynch I wanted (even if looking town was more my goal).

notice that

1) Maki claimed her initial vote wasn't serious and she was faking confidence
2) her scumread on your slot grew as you kept pushing her for it
3) her scumread on your slot started to fade as she figured this isn't how you'd behave as scum with her early on.

Maki is being dragged to this BP conversation partially because you and Kaede keep pushing her for it. I don't think Maki initially intended to give her early read any kind of great impact. this was partially your doing.

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ok I suck at explaining stuff.

1) I think Maki is a good enough player to realize she shouldn't be taking the claim at face value since she has seen town do it before.
2) Her confidence is incredibly forced and scummy, I am not bothered by being scum read it's how much confidence she has in a shallow line of reasoning that bothers me. She is just latching onto something that is incredibly easy to push and her push is just incredibly contrived the more I read it. Like her confidence is 100% faked here.

Also this \/
viewtopic.php?p=9313814#p9313814

This is Maki's reaction to Mastin doing basically the same thing, and it just feels a lot more tame and natural compared to her reaction this game. And Mastin was town in the linked game so it's not like she has any reason to be more confident in her read since then.

Okay so I was mostly faking the confidence but my bp thing was legit because I was correct last time and I'm clearly correct here I hate your reaction to me here you should know meta is fucking shit to use against me and since you're linking games what makes you think I wouldn't push on this claim and I should just "know" I found something I find scummy I don't really think it matters if it's on page 1 stop acting like you can meta me it isn't cute.
My vote wasn't that srs before but it is now I got what I wanted out of that pair.

@kaede

[HardcoreMonkey]

Suffice to say, im less sure on maki scum, but im still not sure on her town, her initial vote was still awful, but the whole development afterwards was towny. Meanwhile bee's the opposite.

are you saying bee is increasingly scummy?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Also hot take
Mastina is scum
VOTE: Brain and Pinky

tell me all about it please

[HardcoreMonkey]

I do not scumread Kaede anymore fwiw

Ice Cream top town

[HardcoreMonkey]

ok.

My ability costs 2 points and conditionally I may spend 5 points.

[HardcoreMonkey]

We are here. We will read.

vote: itissheaanderrantparabola

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ice, could you explain to me how we normally coordinate the NAs here so we don't overload + how can we make it risky for scum to lie etc?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ice, could you explain to me how we normally coordinate the NAs here so we don't overload + how can we make it risky for scum to lie etc?

People who want to act say they want to act.
People with fluff roles who know they are below average do not act.

Apply basic addition.
If X > 65 tell scummy player they can't act / be mature adults and someone with a lower power role just opts to not act.

If X < 65 other people who want to act just say they want to act.
Repeat until we are at 65 points or a little less.

If we overload then bam scum are outside the pool of people who acted.

scum can just lie about how costly their powers are, no? how do we circumvent this?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Town cooperated last time and can do it again.
A day 1 mass claim doesn't break the game but heavily benefits the town if done right.

You aren't being wolfy in this exchange since I think you genuinely believe what you are saying here but trust us this is what we should be doing.

last time was completely different because all scum had .5 and all town had 1 as the cost. with varying numbers for the powers, scum can claim anything they want and get away with it I think. as you said, it's just gonna be a lot of WIFOM as the only people who have any reason to not lie about how costly their powers are, are town. I've already claimed mine and am fine with it, but I'm highly skeptical of the effectiveness of the massclaim. I think mostly, town just needs to realise some of them are gonna have to holster if our NAs are to have any effect.

but lolmechanics, what do I know I'll stick to reads...

[HardcoreMonkey]

scum can just lie about how costly their powers are, no? how do we circumvent this?

Trust me pls <3

I trust you more than I trust myself

[HardcoreMonkey]

VOTE: Kaede

Let's go.

alisae?

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: Kaede

I want the town credit for being the first on kaede, despite saying I wasn't scumreading the slot anymore, to which I blame sleep deprivation and being pocketed by Kaede's roleplaying

[HardcoreMonkey]

also when we get to this point, I should be the one hammering. if we hammer scum something really -special- happens.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I think my towngame heavily deteriorated cause I already feel kaede isn't a good lynch at all

[HardcoreMonkey]

I can believe Alisae SRing me, E doesnt have 10000 games with me like you do.
I can believe LLD SRing me, she's done that everytime she's town (even tho i've only played with her twice before).
I can believe HCM SRing me, I've never played with either head.
I CANT believe Bee SRing me, much less wagoning me to read me.

gun to my head it was more of an alisae than a beeboy read as e is the one posting

why do you think you keep getting wagoned as a villager? does this happen more often in early game? what are the reasons people generally give to wagoning you?

[HardcoreMonkey]

I suggest the way mastina approached the neighborhood was scummy. she spoke about calling it a masonry and lock everyone town in it, which strikes me as oddly unsuspicious and the way she spoke about makes me feel she wasn't joking. I think there's a chance mastina was levelling with us to see what our reaction would be, but on it's face it's definitely not how town!anyone would approach neighborhood.

If this is true.
1) She was probably serious.
2) She's probably also town.

I'll sum up the case on kaede to this post. very early in the game which is when it's easier to catch all of those slips and there's more than one there.

I don't think she has been solvey and I dislike her participation in the thread while ice cream and maki were arguing. Kaede often spoke about it as if she had to decide which one was scum, when I think most town would have shrugged that whole thing off as an awkward spat between town players. but this is minor stuff and very player dependant. what's not player dependant is calling mastina 'probably town' as a response to my post.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kaede often spoke about it as if she had

So you're saying trying to sort which one could be scum is scummy?

if the logic is: there could be scum in ice and maki, then no. I read it as: there has to be scum in either Ice or Maki, which reads as more opportunistic.

[HardcoreMonkey]

townreading kaede

NEVER CHANGING

[HardcoreMonkey]

What posts in particular gave you that feel?

I'm assigning motive when there probably isn't, just didn't feel good about kaede softpushing both sides. from kaede!town perspective she was just trying to untangle the web of lolmetareads between maki and beeboy that got them pushing each other and that's probably what it was.

[HardcoreMonkey]

townreading kaede

NEVER CHANGING

So you TR her now?

yes

[HardcoreMonkey]

Then who do you scumread now?

no one

[HardcoreMonkey]

We are here. We will read.

there's this slot and that's all they posted

from where I come from we lynch this first but apparently in mafiascum only scum cares about the game, which is appropriate given the name of the website.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I am not scumreading alisae and they're both balls to the wall with scumreads early which is not how I've seen alisae play scum... although this is not how I've seen alisae play town either, but being a hydra this is a different monster altogether isn't it.

a lot of their play here suggests town though Kaede. using your alignment to read how people interact with you is a great way to catch scum, but I'd suggest if beeboy knows you as well as you both think he does, then he is more likely to give you a throwaway townread as scum so you're not on his radar.

the only reason scum!beeboy has to push town!kaede here is to appear townie.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Then who do you scumread now?

no one

Usually when someone townreads someone, they unvote. What made you townread her?

but if I unvote her, how can we mislynch her? my plan is to awkwardly keep this up for days while never ever unvoting kaede until we reach that sweet number we need for a majority lynch of course.

I literally quoted the exact post that made me lock into the townread. it reads genuine to me as many things she wrote after getting wagoned.

[HardcoreMonkey]

give me one scumread that isn't fucking alisae and I'll vote that scumread with you for now

[HardcoreMonkey]

yeah it's normally how I do as well, but I got some 6, maybe 7 townreads from weak to strong, and not actual scumreads since you made yourself townie.

[HardcoreMonkey]

WOOWOOOWOO

SOMEONE HAS SAID SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS AN ELLIBERETH SUMMON

CAN ANYONE GUESS WHAT THAT THING WAS

IDK man I'm not in wolfchat

[HardcoreMonkey]

I feel like maybe I should

and yeah it's toranaga here, IDK where HEM is but he didn't log into the acc today

[HardcoreMonkey]

unvote

[HardcoreMonkey]

The Kaede slot is clean what the hell is the wagon about?

Her tone and play just feel straight forward and open

Kaede is very clearly town, I still don't get the votes on her. I'm thinking of the possibility of more than 1 culprit currently on it.

I agree with both of you but it took her getting wagoned for me to get that impression.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I know there's a whole lot of wanting in me strong townreading alisae, and I don't really know how e plays a hydra and I don't know beeboy quite well, but I feel their posts and pushes have been quite genuine so far. and the less participatory Maki is after having heat off her, the more her scum equity grows.

I like Kaede now and I'm as confident as I can get with this d1 in calling her town now.

I like the way Lady exposed her points and talked about claiming abilities not being a problem, that normally comes from town. I like the way she pushed Kaede and I like the 'That was a lie wasn't it Kokichi?' line after Kokichi defends Kaede from getting voted.

I'm townreading Redflavor for silly, weak reasons that you don't get to townread anyone for, but since we're talking about RedFlavor I think it works, because RF is still quite noobish and probably can't sound too genuine with the little post he made this game. so voting mastina with this reasoning: "When mastina reads me scum she is the scum", and then pushing Himiko for his #statsdontlie vote on redflavor are good indications that RF is town here.

I have weaker reasons to call other people town and not much to scumread people for. but I do feel the less mastina and Maki play, the more their scum equity increase. I don't get the townreads on Panzer but I'm very willing to sheep Kaede and Ice on it.

I don't wanna guess one scum now. Maybe himiko? although she is not even scummy so :shrug:

[HardcoreMonkey]

So only scum could ever be reading me correctly, got it.

Mulch's read is smart and went over your head

RIP

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kaede please. you're a horrible lynch this gameday, it won't happen. you don't need to get emotional and I'm sure your -sanity- is unaffected by this game.

I was writing a bigger post but I pressed the wrong goddamn buttons and it deleted. Mulch has a point because scum is looking at you now and seeing obvtown when you're town. I see Himiko and Kokichi definitely having more equity as scum than Ice and Lady, for instance.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Mulch, can you defend Kaede before her AtE makes me want to spite lynch her? I'm already doing my very best here not to do that with mastina, although I think mastina is more likely scum than Kaede.

I like how ginnie isn't even playing and we're supposed to read that as NAI.

[HardcoreMonkey]

wish I knew who you are to metadive this

[HardcoreMonkey]

WHERE IS THE MONKEY GODDAMMIT

this is all toranaga only content for a couple of days now. the monkey has left the building it seems.

[HardcoreMonkey]

last message he sent me was if I was serious about townreading you :X

[HardcoreMonkey]

Why is nobody doing this? VOTE: Kakichi

[HardcoreMonkey]

inb4 "I've been waiting for a vote I've been ML baiting."

[HardcoreMonkey]

I tried to though it out, I tried to not make it personal, I was giving you all you wanted so you could read me. It should be obvious to you that I'm town by now, but you arent even reconsidering, the only reason I can think of is you being scum, but at this point my sanity has reached it's limit, I'm done, there's no reason that I need to suffer any more from this, you know very well how I react as town, and you knew this was coming, why in god's hell would a friend of mine decide to hurt me so is still beyond me, but at this point i dont care, if you're still looking for your revenge from Gistou then take it as your personal win if you want, I don't care about it, I don't even know how much more you were planning to keep hurting me like this, but if you want this personal victory over MLing then go ahead and take it, but leave me out of your personal vendetta already im tired of having to deal with this BS from you. I dont care if you're scum or not, all I know is that you're knowingly hurting me pretty bad and that means, that you will never hear from me again.

@Mod: Rep me out.

it's a game ffs. don't take it so personal, it makes the game unfun for everyone else

anyway gj AtEing yourself to locktown, I'm sure one day someone will do that in a game when you're actually scum and you'll know how shitty it is.

[HardcoreMonkey]

So yeah, you wanna sheep me come sheep me on HardcoreMonkey. Dude's actually just scum. Between his floaty "I have no scum reads" position, to his cries for where his hydra partner went, to that reaction to the replace out, it all feels scum to me.

So leggo.

ok I'll see where this goes for now
VOTE: hardcoremonkey

lol I don't think alisae would approve this one mate

[HardcoreMonkey]

So yeah, you wanna sheep me come sheep me on HardcoreMonkey. Dude's actually just scum. Between his floaty "I have no scum reads" position, to his cries for where his hydra partner went, to that reaction to the replace out, it all feels scum to me.

So leggo.

ok I'll see where this goes for now
VOTE: hardcoremonkey

lol I don't think alisae would approve this one mate

Me: wanna sheep LLD onto UFO?
Ali: BURN MOTHERFUCKER LET THE MOTHERFUCKER BURN

eh okay

IDK what to think about that but if you're scum you're hard spewing a bunch of people town which is not how you're supposed to play

[HardcoreMonkey]

So yeah, you wanna sheep me come sheep me on HardcoreMonkey. Dude's actually just scum. Between his floaty "I have no scum reads" position, to his cries for where his hydra partner went, to that reaction to the replace out, it all feels scum to me.

So leggo.

ok I'll see where this goes for now
VOTE: hardcoremonkey

lol I don't think alisae would approve this one mate

YO.

ANYONE WHO HAS INKLINGS THIS DUDE IS TOWN.

THIS POST. READ IT. FRAME IT. #PRAYONIT. THEN VOTE HIM

what's scummy about that? nothing?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ali: BURN MOTHERFUCKER LET THE MOTHERFUCKER BURN

what are you doing alisae lol

are you serious about wagoning me right now, that's mad

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: Ice cream and sand witch

okay...

also I can clear myself through hardclaiming so leshrug

[HardcoreMonkey]

I mean I think you're town, I'm just confused with all this being pocketed by lady and voting me d1. this is so unlike you... what did beeboy do to you

[HardcoreMonkey]

do you think this lady person who never played with me before reads me better than you and amrock

what are you doing

[HardcoreMonkey]

it's not like you need to wagon me to get a better grasp of my alignment dear

I don't AtE or do any emotional shit to get townread. I get townread by being obvtown through a gameday, which let's be honest, I really really am I feel weirdly put in that Kaede spot where a player she never expected to get voted d1 goes ahead and votes her. I know you're not paying attention so it's whatever. I just hope you eventually play this gameday like I expect you to...

[HardcoreMonkey]

what do I type to make you stop being aids

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm not part of an anime clique and I call people aids since ~forever

does that annoy you dear

[HardcoreMonkey]

In all seriousness UFO we love you, and kinda just want to play around and sheep LLD for a bit.
I do however want you to actually push a scumread though.

do you think it's scummy of me to not really have a scum read right now? I think kaede made the scummiest posts ITG and it's pretty unlikely she can be scum. Maki made bad pushes, her AtE stuff was towny but now she is not even posting anymore, which concerns me. should I push that? IDK. I don't get any telling response from people when I push them, unless they AtE themselves out of the game which is fucking awful. I think Mulch is reasonable, made a few good posts and isn't pushing anyone in any direction either. is he scum, then? IIRC mulch goes much harder than me into pushing his scumreads. if he is not doing and I'm not doing, it probably means something WRT the gamestate and how not telling scum is being right now.

I'm liking parabola catch up too and his reads list is quite similar to mine. you and kaede are top town, I'd have eli;love;redflavor;lady and maybe parabola as a bottom tier kinda townreading atm. then I have kokichi in a special 'probably town because trolled too hard' category, and panzer in the 'not townreading but sheeping people that know this fucking slot better than I do and who I think are both town' category.

so what I am left with: mastina hydra, maki, himiko and kaito. if I push any of these slots, it's going to be for weakish reasons though. it's more like how I POE'd down a possible good d1 lynch from what my townreads and sheeps are.

so.

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: himiko

rarrr rarrr you scum rarr rarrr

[HardcoreMonkey]

my hydra partner thinks I'm an idiot and Himiko is town, asked me to be a good town and go case someone else.

I'm near drawing a blank but there's quite a few people I'm looking at right now

Maki
Pink and the brain
kokiri
kaito

I'll look at all those people with a WILLINGNESS to scumread them, let's see how this works

[HardcoreMonkey]

this is toranaga speaking fwiw

[HardcoreMonkey]

the brain and pinky: I suppose the most telling thing about the slot is the fact that ginngie hasn't posted yet. This is my second hydra game so I'm in no way experienced enough to say, but my impression is that town!anyone would have at least made and entrance ITT, and that ginngie hasn't yet because she is self aware of how mastina is playing and doesn't know how to act. She said nothing in neighborhood chat either, which furthers this idea that ginngie is frozen.

as per mastina herself, I suppose you can read either way. too antagonistic and unhelpful in the neighborhood chat to be actually scum, or scum leveling her play so she is read townie for it. if she was levelling her play, I'm not sure it's working because both monkey and redflavor are reading her scum, and I think mastina is smart enough to realise it wouldn't go well... at least not without other sparks of towny behaviour ITT or in the chat.

all in all, I'd lynch mastina while being very confused by her play if she actually flips scum, but I can't get past the fact that ginngie didn't post yet. I'm also not sure if I should put anti-wincon behaviour like antagonizing the chat past a player I don't really know.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kaito: focused all his 5 posts in talking about mechanics. I think mechanics talk are scumread far too much and don't super work as a tell, but it's true that scum normally has a better understanding of mechanics and can use that to appear helpful, and Kaito comes off awkward talking to himself about it. And for how concerned he seemed to be with proper play, he hasn't show up in 2 days! So that's an actual gun-to-my-head-scum read I have right now.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kokichi: Lots of trolling. thinks Kaede is town and people pushing her are >rand scum. softpushed mastina for having Kaede as town for her introduction post, but even that was sheeping Kaede's push and he presented no follow up on mastina, or anyone else. Nothing he did was actually towny so into the POE for a d1 lynch he goes.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Maki is a mess so I'm not doing that now.

ok. those were kinda forced on purpose, cause I'm trying to see what resonates with people etc.

[HardcoreMonkey]

toranaga signing out now, monkey has interesting thoughts to share

~toranaga

[HardcoreMonkey]

lmao thanks for the hype? I'm gonna post as soon as I'm done with breakfast.

[HardcoreMonkey]

the brain and pinky: I suppose the most telling thing about the slot is the fact that ginngie hasn't posted yet. This is my second hydra game so I'm in no way experienced enough to say, but my impression is that town!anyone would have at least made and entrance ITT, and that ginngie hasn't yet because she is self aware of how mastina is playing and doesn't know how to act. She said nothing in neighborhood chat either, which furthers this idea that ginngie is frozen.

as per mastina herself, I suppose you can read either way. too antagonistic and unhelpful in the neighborhood chat to be actually scum, or scum leveling her play so she is read townie for it. if she was levelling her play, I'm not sure it's working because both monkey and redflavor are reading her scum, and I think mastina is smart enough to realise it wouldn't go well... at least not without other sparks of towny behaviour ITT or in the chat.

all in all, I'd lynch mastina while being very confused by her play if she actually flips scum, but I can't get past the fact that ginngie didn't post yet. I'm also not sure if I should put anti-wincon behaviour like antagonizing the chat past a player I don't really know.

I'll add to this. If you would view our neighborhood thread now, mastina entered with great frustration because she claims that her character doesn't match her pick. And also, she insinuated that the mod was less than random about his setup. She establishes spite for the game, and that Ginngie shares that sentiment. She then proceeds to say that she automatically reads us as town out of spite, and that she doesn't care.

This is questionable to me. One, I'd expect them to just replace out if they don't like the game. Two, mastina would have announced solo status if Ginngie does not contribute to the hydra and make it official. Three, even though she says it's out of spite, her auto-townread on us was indicative of a lack of paranoia that I would attribute scum. My overall impression was that she was trying to pocket the neighborhood, putting a front where she can be less accountable to her actions, and lying about disinterest.

So I told her—when I was trying to be baity—that I think she's faking it and that she was pocketing us.

She proceeded to insult and debase my ability to scumhunt and then offer scumhunting advice (legitimate scumhunting advice, fwiw). I goaded her to see if her frustration would sound genuine at that point. But it never really did. Instead, my impression on that reaction was that—read carefully this is confusing—she's trying to pocket us by negging us. I think mastina and Ginggie is advanced enough for that play. I'm sticking to it.

But she's not gonna be our vote. Let's proceed to the next item—

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kaito: focused all his 5 posts in talking about mechanics. I think mechanics talk are scumread far too much and don't super work as a tell, but it's true that scum normally has a better understanding of mechanics and can use that to appear helpful, and Kaito comes off awkward talking to himself about it. And for how concerned he seemed to be with proper play, he hasn't show up in 2 days! So that's an actual gun-to-my-head-scum read I have right now.

I'll add to this. Kaito looks scummy because of how he made no attempts to read the people who posted before him. For someone who would have thought about mechanics, I would expect they have at least read the game. They would have at least pursued a read or two.

I can imagine that there's a scum agenda right now to push a mech talk instead of a read one, just like Panzer suggested. But I can't judge players solely based on that assumption.

But Kaito's #173 is the most telling of him. It looks like a slip. It feels like he knew something about the mechanics on scum and then tried correcting that. It's questionable and it's worth attention.

But it's not gonna be our vote. Let's move on—

[HardcoreMonkey]

Maki is a mess so I'm not doing that now.

ok. those were kinda forced on purpose, cause I'm trying to see what resonates with people etc.

We're gonna talk about this in sitechat because I think Maki is town. Her "THAAAAAAANK YOUUUUUU" post sound genuinely town and I don't expect scum to sound like that. Yes, it's that surfacey. Sort of like how I went from Kaede scumread to Kaede townread fast on account of her subbing out.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kokichi: Lots of trolling. thinks Kaede is town and people pushing her are >rand scum. softpushed mastina for having Kaede as town for her introduction post, but even that was sheeping Kaede's push and he presented no follow up on mastina, or anyone else. Nothing he did was actually towny so into the POE for a d1 lynch he goes.

I'll add to this. This guy tho.

No, kaede is highly likely town from her posts. I don't see the reason for the sudden wagon on her.

Kaede's towniness is not obvious. Any town would have seen her with reasonable paranoia. Kokichi didn't. Actually, any town would have seen this game with reasonable paranoia. Kokichi doesn't. So when he surfaced to say Kaede is so town and how he thinks the scum is on her wagon, it strikes me as scum-motivated.

The questions he throws around the thread looks like scum emulating busy work. He really doesn't sound like anyone with a legitimate process nor does his questions lead to anything that would help him sort anyone. It's not like we're in RVS but his engagement is still RVS level. See here:

Town reading someone for a basic hello post? Well that seems like it could be a lie. But, what do I know.

This could have granted him an entrance to actually start sorting and engaging. Yeah but no.

Troll reactions from wagons doesn't really impress me either.

So yeah. VOTE: Kokichi

The other players not mentioned are either townread or nullread or being baited into doing something alignment-indicative.

[HardcoreMonkey]

toranaga here

this is the only game I'm playing so you'll just have to deal with my offputting level of effort when there's nothing going on

[HardcoreMonkey]

alisae say something smart about the game

give me a reads list, or a read, any read

[HardcoreMonkey]

re: machine gun posting. I forced myself to post some stuff, and then HEM had good perspective into his kokichi read. I guess it's wolfy that we're autistically contributing to a game when no one else is doing any of that yet

I already kinda miss kaede despite the disgusting AtE stuff

[HardcoreMonkey]

I have a spicy take

[HardcoreMonkey]

Two things:

1) The scum are going to shoot people every night regardless of whether we claim or not. You can often find idiot power roles just by reading the fucking game and seeing who is being dumb and cagey about their shit, just trying desperately to live to night. So the argument that this will reveal our "most powerful spells" is just empty, because 1) scum don't know which spells are going to go off regardless of their kill and which ones require the caster to live to the next day and 2) the odds of a powerful role dying even just by accident are large enough, even if we ignore the ability for scum to make assumptions.

2) eventually, scum are not going to have the luxury of killing whatever power role they want. They are going to need to start killing people who will lynch them. So, the thing is, we now force them to play a game of "what was your kill motivated by?" and it gives us more information to work from.

There is no reason to be against claiming the point value for your ability.

^this is all bullshit

we are revealing our most powerful spells by claiming how much it costs, and it's not an 'empty' argument. It's the most damning argument against claiming. the odds of a PR dying 'by accident' aren't anywhere near as high as the odds of a powerful role dying when we're massclaiming how powerful our night actions are (assuming power = more points spent).

scum knows what powers are going off at night if we're all openly coordinating them and it blows my mind that you'd dare to sit here and write so confidently that it isn't the case. and that doesn't even matter wrt PR hunting. a NA doesn't need to 'go off' at night for the scum team to just kill inside a pool of high spending night action claims.

we are forcing them to play a game of pick and choosing if they want to kill a powerful role or a strong player. that does not benefit town in any way. you're just giving scum more options to work with at night while we'll still be in the dark the next gameday. I was completely unaware of the mechanics so it actually escaped me that you were arguing here that giving out all our powerful roles on a silver platter for scum to choose actually benefits town. thats a bucket full of aids you're suggesting and we all bought into it lol.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ok first things first

we need to eliminate the ability for scum to lie about their ability consumption from the get go. Confusion is not allowed to be an excuse for us burning over our gauge.

As a result, while we want to keep the actual abilities themselves secret

All players should be required to claim their point expenditures, and we should plan around this such that no player should accidentally cause us to go over.

Further,

My power is one such that claiming it (and how much it costs) is really not an issue. I wish to do this at some point today.

scum can lie about their ability consumption at will. it will all be 100% WIFOM regardless of the result we get. they can have a 2 and claim a 20, they can have a 20 and claim a 2. also, if we were to coordinate the night actions from who the towniest people are, then there will almost certainly be scum outside of that group.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Like replace out if you want but the paragraph of emotional shit isn't helping us because the line of Kaede the player and Kaede the person isn't clear to us as it is to you because you're planning on quitting and we still need to read your slot.

Kaede made herself lock town through the way she replaced out, so yeah it does help us. it just helps us in a lame manner that hurts the spirit of the game. IDK what you meant with 'isn't helping us' and I'm not reading it as a real thought town!you had here.

[HardcoreMonkey]

So yeah, you wanna sheep me come sheep me on HardcoreMonkey. Dude's actually just scum. Between his floaty "I have no scum reads" position, to his cries for where his hydra partner went, to that reaction to the replace out, it all feels scum to me.

So leggo.

^ this is a forced bs read with 0 things that can be described as scummy.

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: Lady Lambdadelta

this is scum. her whole play has consisted in advocating a terrible massclaim for reasons that don't work, and did so confidently. and then she went on to push town players with the same level of lolconfidence and shit logic that doesn't catch any scum.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Oh...the foe feature doesn't work in games.

I'm sorry my dear, am I interrupting your gamer talk to play mafia? I can talk about games too I'm sure.

her story is shit and I assume the rest of your list is also pretty shit.

[HardcoreMonkey]

alisae say something smart about the game

give me a reads list, or a read, any read

I thought about turning this response into a shitpost
But then I realized that wasn't a good idea.
Um
Name a person

I don't remember ever getting slightly annoyed with you but your unwillingness to play is starting to do just that

let's talk about lady. why are you so sure she is town? is it the mech talk, the confidence? is she making sense to you?

[HardcoreMonkey]

shitposting is always the right answer, alisae.

like shitposting all your team mates?

[HardcoreMonkey]

gosh toranaga turns into such a bitch when he gets a scumread

[HardcoreMonkey]

mastina's last post in neighborhood was a day ago after I posted a reads list with lady as town. she said 'may or may not post later but you're dead wrong on LLD'. so just for that I wouldn't lynch mastina now.

[HardcoreMonkey]

gosh toranaga turns into such a bitch when he gets a scumread

LOL monkey

I get scumread plenty, that's fine. I'm not saying lady is scum because she voted me, and well I didn't have a strong scumread up until now

[HardcoreMonkey]

IDK Eli you're not giving me a good reason to drink right now

[HardcoreMonkey]

did you just dayvig me

cause I'm a conditional inno child so RIP

[HardcoreMonkey]

toranaga wtf

[HardcoreMonkey]

we don't celebrate thanksgiving in brazil ma dude

[HardcoreMonkey]

is tora at an age where you don't know what a shot is lmao

lol I confused

[HardcoreMonkey]

fwiw i didn't know we're a conditional inno child i didn't understand my role PM LOL

Tora are you 18

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm 30, I talked about drinking before replying to panzer I thought 'I shot' + gif was claiming a dayvig

[HardcoreMonkey]

lolweebs

[HardcoreMonkey]

and yes monkey, we're conditional inno child: if we get hammer vote and it flips scum, thread stays open during night + our alignment is announced ITT.

[HardcoreMonkey]

can we play mafia

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ok yep
VOTE: LLD
Tunneling town lol

:thumb:

[HardcoreMonkey]

that's what you get for shit posting on Thanksgiving when Toranaga from Brazil has a scumread.

[HardcoreMonkey]

UNSUBSCRIBE: SHEEP FACTS

[HardcoreMonkey]

btw do you guys like our avatar?

[HardcoreMonkey]

SUBSCRIBE: FACTS ABOUT SCUM ITT

[HardcoreMonkey]

I was here not understand how anything worked

[HardcoreMonkey]

Also Panzer, your arguments didn't contradict the argued benefits of massclaiming. There is literally nothing good that can come from massclaiming.

it doesn't matter. let's lynch LLD, I think it's the best chance we have at flipping scum d1.

[HardcoreMonkey]

you can post your reasoning ITT and I'm sure I won't be the only one reading it. and I'd love to discuss this with you because I'm really puzzled by it, to the point where I don't see town!you posting so confidently about something that, in my opinion, is so very clearly wrong.

I'm sorry you don't like me and get angry with my posts. I'd dislike your entitled, arrogant attitude as well if I wasn't so used already to your kind.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to attack your fragile ego LLD. I was just describing how you come across to everyone else. I don't even think you're bad, I think Panzer is a lot worse and I won't even start on him

[HardcoreMonkey]

LLD, Monkey here. I'm way nicer than Toranagger here. Wont you talk to me about it?

it's simple my anime betrayal monkey buddeh: she is wrong and has no response to what I posted. I'm not super confident she is actually scum, but the reason why she decided to attack me instead of my logic, is because she has nothing and this is a good way to clutter the thread so people forget what my point was.

I'm reading her points wrt claiming power expenditure as disingenuous. I'm reading her pushes on players as disingenuous. You are free to think otherwise and I'm sure we can find common ground inside a pool of Maki, Himicho, Kokichi etc to cast a vote.

and I'm usually very nice too, but if someone feels like insulting me, they have to be prepared to be insulted back, no? Actually, this back and forth with LLD made me appreciate Mastina a lot more. She came to neighborhood, insulted everyone, I insulted her and she didn't act offended as if this was an unexpected response. if LLD can't take it, she should drop her tough girl act.

[HardcoreMonkey]

hey friends, let's play a fun game called ~guess the alignment~

Eli and mulch, do you wanna play this very fun game?

how about beeboy and alisae, I think you guys would do well!

[HardcoreMonkey]

Mastina said she'll post again on monday and yeah you can probably hammer her slot and she won't give a fuck so rip

[HardcoreMonkey]

I mean you're free to keep the trollish behaviour, I just don't feel like feeding into it

I'll check the thread later to see if anyone decided to play

[HardcoreMonkey]

what do people think about panzerjager?
like, ppl who are townreading him why,

slightly townreading him for townsiding on the ~claiming power expenditure argument~.

also for voting LLD in a way I feel makes them less likely to be scum together. just throwing that lazy conditional read there in case LLD flips scum.

[HardcoreMonkey]

aliase, is it still your understanding that claiming power expenditure is pro-town? I haven't seen you argue or push anyone to do so in a while.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Amrock, what are you reads on the game so far? Please share

[HardcoreMonkey]

mulch, alisae

are you guys going to play this or what

[HardcoreMonkey]

alisae this isn't a large game so far, IDK why this has to be beeboy's game. I have a hard time reading into beeboy's posts and tbh I'm increasingly confused with how you're both playing this.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Burnout

ok then. I can believe you've burned out, but I don't think you've been burned out the entire game and you haven't displayed behaviour I consider villagery from you. I think LLD is scum so I like that you're going there, but I'm confused with a lot of beeboy's hard stances in the game, including how strongly he decided to townread LLD and sheep all of her votes.

But yeah, if you're burned out I suppose I should stop expecting things from your end of the hydra anyway.

[HardcoreMonkey]

For the most part this is beeboy's game, I'm just here to drop support whenever.
He wants to vote mastina but I'm comfortable with my LLD vote, cuz apparently LLD's play now is starting to make me feel very uncomfortable :/

Why no vote on me? Aren't I scum?

you didn't finish your catch up

[HardcoreMonkey]

I believe you're town fwiw

[HardcoreMonkey]

Mastina will post on monday, probably regardless of how many people are on her wagon. and LLD's reasoning for going there is bonkers.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Mastina will post on monday, probably regardless of how many people are on her wagon. and LLD's reasoning for going there is bonkers.

Boy I really hope you're lying about your ability so I can watch you get lynched with some serious satisfaction.

Oh and let's be clear folks. Hardcore monkey is hammering today. If you don't let him hammer today, it is a scum claim. Further than that, if Hardcore monkey does not become an innnocent child after doing this, you lynch them.

We clear?

I'm not hammering today because I'm 1-shot and I need to active the ability at night

[HardcoreMonkey]

Also boy I can't wait until we all get global RBd night 2 because we refuse to lock people down on what kind of point expenditures they can claim. This is a fun fucking game.

scum has no motivation to tell the truth about how costly their powers are, and this is why your plan stinks.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Also boy I can't wait until we all get global RBd night 2 because we refuse to lock people down on what kind of point expenditures they can claim. This is a fun fucking game.

scum has no motivation to tell the truth about how costly their powers are, and this is why your plan stinks.

Counting isn't hard, and if they lie, they're locked into that lie for the rest of the game and we get to see how that works out for them. Additional pressure.

You will never know if it was people inside or outside the 'chosen' night actions that overheated the power gauge until everyone flips. It's amazing you're failing to understand this point. You will -never- be able to determine who is lying when it overheats. it can always be people from inside and outside the circle of trust, from now until the last gameday.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Mastina will post on monday, probably regardless of how many people are on her wagon. and LLD's reasoning for going there is bonkers.

Boy I really hope you're lying about your ability so I can watch you get lynched with some serious satisfaction.

Oh and let's be clear folks. Hardcore monkey is hammering today. If you don't let him hammer today, it is a scum claim. Further than that, if Hardcore monkey does not become an innnocent child after doing this, you lynch them.

We clear?

I'm not hammering today because I'm 1-shot and I need to active the ability at night

Full claim your fucking ability. The only reason I'm not lynching you today is you claimed to be able to hammer today and become innocent child.

you're not lynching anyone. You can vote me and see who follows.

[HardcoreMonkey]

why would I do that? and why are you assuming I'm town now?

[HardcoreMonkey]

what did I say that was so awful anyway?

[HardcoreMonkey]

it's just an expression, cupcake

[HardcoreMonkey]

We could be lieing and actually Macho. Claim BP as Macho, Claim Macho as BP. Both say one thing: Do not protect me. This is a gambit I learned from Titus Claiming Macho as a BP baits a kill. Claiming BP as Macho avoids you from getting shot for awhile.
OR we could just be WIFOMing with the gambit and actually just a BP just to fuck with scum.

/me finger guns
what are we actually doing?
You decide.

But also the reaction in For Us here when mastina did a similar gambit was much more "I am poking to understand what is going on atm"
Here its "This is just scum."
And that kind of worries me?

Because I expect Jae and mastina to pull off stupid bs like this. Not you this is why I think it is scummy coming from you I think it's stupid to do anything related to that BP thing I think people do it for towncred I've seen it done by scum but hey maybe you're town doing it. Maybe I'll use my mafia kill on you and find out myself

You scumreading me makes me roll my eyes for that reason but hey~

Ok, but you seen me do it before in DBZ Aids mash (LOOOOOOOOL) when I was lolcatting.
However you're right here, this is something I want to do a scum a lot because I feel like it'll look towny.
Just read Night and Day's scum PT. I am pretty sure I talked about doing it there.

oh no alisae said aids too gee maybe let's get rid of alisae too

trying to ISO hardcoremonkey is gonna be aids when both of you alt slip this much :<

vote: the brain and pinky

not even RVS

good to see redflavor thinks the same. btw red, mastina is one half of the brain and pinky hydra, the 'mastina' account isn't the one playing. just a heads up.

so our hydra, redflavor and brain and pinky share a neighborhood. I suggest the way mastina approached the neighborhood was scummy. she spoke about calling it a masonry and lock everyone town in it, which strikes me as oddly unsuspicious and the way she spoke about makes me feel she wasn't joking. I think there's a chance mastina was levelling with us to see what our reaction would be, but on it's face it's definitely not how town!anyone would approach neighborhood.

I'm probably wrong but this is where I'm at.

~toranaga

I think scum inside a neighbourhood claiming that it's a masonry so straight forwardly like that is unlikely because the move itself is eye brow raising as demonstrated by your reaction and scum mastina probably knows that. They'd prolly play it subtly and pocket the town in there slowly? idk

The way you outed the hood is actually really villagery though

P1 beelisae gut town; alisae that rainbow colour is still aids for people with white forum theme

oh god himiko said it TWICE. a MULTIPLE OFFENDER!!!11 someone arrest this criminal, think of the children!

fuck off LLD.

[HardcoreMonkey]

What exactly is a 1 shot innocent child?

VOTE: monkey

I have a 1 shot ability that's activated at night and, in case I hammer scum during the day, my alignment is displayed ITT and we have the thread opened at night.

[HardcoreMonkey]

if I hammer town, the ability wastes 5 points

[HardcoreMonkey]

and yes monkey, we're conditional inno child: if we get hammer vote and it flips scum, thread stays open during night + our alignment is announced ITT.

^
if we hammer town we just waste our ability and power

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: himiko

sorry for the slip

[HardcoreMonkey]

Kaede Akamatsu ~ 6
Lady Lambdadelta ~ 4/8
Himiko Yumeno ~ 1t10
Maki Harukawa ~
itissheaanderrantparabola ~2/4/8
Ice Cream Sand Witch ~ 5/8
Elizibereth ~
Panzerjager ~
Kaito Momota ~ dude went we should claim power usage and didn't even claim his but whateves i have strong reason to believe he's town now
Kokichi Oma ~ 3
HardcoreMonkey ~2/5
The Brain and Pinky
RedFlavor

We aren't gonna overload if nobody within the people not claimed has a ridiculous amount of power usage so meh this is fine

scumteam is like {Kokichi, Pinky, Panzer} or some shit
btw i cant be scum because as scum i'd care a little bit
kay that's my content for 2 days

VOTE: The Pinky and the Brain

I'm townreading this post.

I think most players have voted mastina already at some point during this gameday, and she hasn't been particularly scummy, just lacking in activity. Note that the very thing you call a town tell for yourself (not caring) is being used to push the mastina hydra slot. I'm not against the lynch because she hasn't been villagery, but I'm probably not voting there until she starts posting actual content here.

re: Kaito townread. I think I know what you mean, and if it's the ~derpclear he made by thinking only town would use the power gauge, that's a fine read. but I wouldn't put past any wolf to fake that or even legitimately get confused by these mechanics.

[HardcoreMonkey]

1. Entrance reads:
HardcoreMonkey is towny
Alisae/beeboy towny entrance

Maki has both a bad entrance and a bad follow up vote

2.

but actually tho,
someone was doing stuff in their qt instead of here

ayyy cheeky ellitelli.
aka scumfuck 100%

3. page 5 makes me think that maki and ice cream are both town, but I initially had the whole "fake confidence" thing that ice cream sand witch talked about when reading maki as well.

I also wanted to read Kaito as town for the entrance (but not enough to commit to an actual read)

. I think I am really syncing up with the beebs with my reads and I'm not quite sure what that means.

4. kaede's thinking out loud style of reads is making me want to townread her. Overall I agree with this and am worried about it:

I also have more town than I usually do on avg this early in the game ty guys <3

I also think towny reaction to the wagon. I'm not reading the replace out post because I don't particularly care

5. Our point values are 2, 4, and 8.

6.
the great justice townpool is something like this: (Kaede, Ice Cream, Hardcore Monkey)
the secondary maybe townpool is something like this: (Panzer, Maki, Kaito)
the not scumread but would like to see wagons on: (RedFlavor, GinMastina)
have no real scumreads.

VOTE: Pinky and Brain

bolded parts are conflicting with each other.

vote: itissheaanderrantparabola

I think this is scum now.

[HardcoreMonkey]

oops I misread lol

[HardcoreMonkey]

eh you know what, I wanna keep my vote there anyway.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ye it's about the derpclear
My logic there was if Kaito is who I think he is then he's someone that would get town points through play instead of through gambit as scum
and the difference is that is a lack of care town indicative for mastina? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no idea what mastina is doing and don't really know how she plays, so I'm taking it as largely NAI. I'm a little concerned with the excessive amount of votes she is getting, and I think in a rolemadness game, it's probably not the best idea for wolves to create distance and bus mastina early on like that. Some of the votes on mastina come from players I'd rather have lynched instead of her.

as per the Kaito read, I like the logic you're using for it even though IDK how Kaito plays, but it certainly resonates that this would be a player that tries to 'get towny' as a wolf instead of derpclearing himself through mechanics confusion.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I'm reversing my scumread on LLD and think she is actually town now. It took me a while to grasp that claiming our values was a bad idea, and when I finally got around to it I started seeing scum motivated behaviour in LLD pushing for the claims. However, she was the very first person to talk about it, and she went over it with the confidence of someone who believes what she is saying. I think she could still be scum doing it, but it would be more through the angle of scum trying to townside her way into getting cleared.

Furthermore, I think her scumread on me was stretchy, as she was pushing me for things that aren't scummy at all (e.g. complaining that my hydra partner isn't around, having no scum reads etc). But LLD seems to personally dislike the way I post quite a lot, so she could be just confusing a personal distaste with scum behaviour. I also think it's town indicative that she dared me to leave the site if she flipped town. It's quite common for mafiascummers to throw AtE bullshit your way when they're getting scumread, but the way she did it felt more like spite and disgust than gameplay to be townread.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Monkey here.

Toranaga and I has yet to perfect the art of collaboration.

I'll drop my read list:

LYNCHES I WILL NEVER SUPPORT

Kaede Akamatsu

That replace out was AI. And that alignment is town.

LYNCHES THAT I WILL FIGHT VEHEMENTLY AGAINST

Ice Cream Sand Witch, Elizibereth

I can read town motivation, mindset, and activity.

QUESTIONABLE LYNCHES

Panzerjager, Maki Harukawa

I am reading their tone as town.

I WILL BE SWAYED

RedFlavor, itissheaanderrantparabola

Questionable status as town.

I WILL SHEEP

Lady Lambdadelta, Himiko Yumeno

I squint hard at their posts. Their activity is scummy.

I WILL BE HAPPY WITH THIS

Kaito Momota, The Brain and the Pinky

Spidey sense is tingly. I'm reading their motivation and mindset as scum.

I WILL LOBBY FOR THIS

Kokichi Oma

Dude's like pinging me hard as scum. I don't know why no one else feels strongly about this. Probably because I'm right and discussion gets derailed when a wagon forms on him.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I will say drop everything and form a wagon on Kokichi but I still want to talk with Toranaga about how we will proceed with this game. I have fully accepted that whatever vote I throw right now, Toranaga will swoop in and vote elsewhere. I don't want to arm wrestle with Toranaga so we'll just talk.

[HardcoreMonkey]

toranaga here: let's lynch kokichi

[HardcoreMonkey]

Toranaga, read the site chat and the PMs lmao.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

[HardcoreMonkey]

LLD, Monkey here. I sincerely hold up anyone in MafiaScum to be a person of objectivity, savvy, and calculation. You included. I am already assuming that you are leveling your play towards that expectation, and to think otherwise is disrespectful. That's why I will still read your dander as something AI. If you do not wish so, please correct that. Because right now, I'm reading that exchange as a horrifying attempt to AtE. And to me, if you would have used AtE in response to our scumread of you, I can only think that it's coming from a scummy place.

Unless you're town, and then you should try to change that by engaging in a slander-deficient conversation with me about the game. Thanks.

[HardcoreMonkey]

your gif game is horrible but it's on par with your posting fwiw

~tor

[HardcoreMonkey]

@Mastina: I'm glad you're all caught up. Now explain to me like I'm 3 years old how neighbourhoods work in this game from your perspective. Why is yours a masonry while mine gets 2 scums in it? Remember: I'm only 3 years old, so you need to really really make things clear for this simple mind. Thank you.

it's not a masonry at all, just a neighborhood

I think mastina is town tho

[HardcoreMonkey]

@Mastina: I'm glad you're all caught up. Now explain to me like I'm 3 years old how neighbourhoods work in this game from your perspective. Why is yours a masonry while mine gets 2 scums in it? Remember: I'm only 3 years old, so you need to really really make things clear for this simple mind. Thank you.

it's not a masonry at all, just a neighborhood

I think mastina is town tho

I agree that it is a neighbourhood. I don't think Mastina's Town when she insists it's a masonry. I don't think she's town when she ignores the fact that 2 of her 3 top suspects are in a similar neighbourhood with me. Why would there be a neighbourhood for 2 scums to be extracting info from just one townie? And why is she treating the two neighbourhoods differently? How does this make any sense? That's why I'm asking her to elaborate on the matter before I decide this masony bit is scum!Mastina doing her thing (I already saw her "do her thing" in a 24 players game with ONLY ONE TOWNIE in it, and she did it well too. Everyone was scum and everyone thought she was Town and tried to hunt down the "other" scum until it was too late.)

don't read into the neighborhood thing as being confirmed 2 town 1 scum or any other number IMO

[HardcoreMonkey]

I don't. As I said before, it's either 1 scum in each or one scum in BOTH (one is all town and the other has one scum in it). That's the simplest way I could figure for having two neighbourhoods in a 13 players game. It could even be one outright scum in one PT and a spy/traitor in the other, but two in the same neighbourhood is a ridiculous proposition, and calling a neighbourhood "a masonry" just because is even more so, and Mastina should know better. I mean, she's no rookie by any means. She's an experienced and gifted player and a quite knowledgeable mod too, so that proposition coming from her is pinging me hard I almost want to vote her without further discussion.

you're reading into it, that's what I'm saying you shouldn't do

apparently there's a neighborhood with all 3 players starting with a K, and one with the last 3 players listed in the game

it's NAI

so stop

[HardcoreMonkey]

yeah I'm hard townreading mastina slot

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: panzer

it may not feel like, but I'd much rather have a fired up player who is willing to argue like LLD than a spineless slot that does nothing interesting.

+ I wanna sheep mastina, she knows how to read people in these areas

~tor

[HardcoreMonkey]

would absolutely still lynch kokichi though

~tor

[HardcoreMonkey]

talk to me on panzer? He feels like last game (sadly as much as I want to policy that fucker)

I'm sheeping mastina
I want to policy that fucker
his gif game is awful

well actually, ONE reason: he seemed to be keeping track of who claimed powers + I think he did some unecessary wolfy whiteknighting in this game.

I think kokichi is a better lynch but panzer is a more pleasant lynch

[HardcoreMonkey]

vote: kokichi

I think his reaction is towny here

ok I think maki and mastina would get behind this, also eli, maybe ice. we can do this fellas

[HardcoreMonkey]

mulch meta read is good enough for me

also kinda like some of kokichi's posts

vote: panzer

back to this

~tora

[HardcoreMonkey]

also VLA or whatever until the 5th for me

glgl

[HardcoreMonkey]

Hi. I'm Monkey.

I have no idea where we're at.

I just want blood.

Let's start agreeing to a lynch now.

[HardcoreMonkey]

You modded me, Maki? Did the game finish?

[HardcoreMonkey]

Ah. Maki is definitely town.

[HardcoreMonkey]

If you mod a game, you are also a town. That's the biggest town tell ever. Everybody knows it.

[HardcoreMonkey]

sorry for alt slipping, that's a thing I do apparently.

~tor

[HardcoreMonkey]

Let's lynch Kaito.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I have no idea how Koreyiko can seriously look at this game and think that we're scum. There's serious disconnect in mindset there. It screams disingenuous reading process.

Anyway, if we haven't done this, I'd like to do this VOTE: Kaito. I hope Toranaga agrees.

[HardcoreMonkey]

WAIT IS THAT L-1?

[HardcoreMonkey]

I didn't like his scumhunting and the angle he attacked this game. It feels like it came from a scum trying to find a position where he can control the discourse and then failing at it and never ever finding another way to approach the game. Instead of a town looking at this game seriously looking for scum.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Oh I'm supposed to hammer.

I don't care if I hammer town on a mislynch. I'm mechanically obliged to hammer. UNVOTE:

[HardcoreMonkey]

I don't know why you're preventing me hammering. It's not like me hammering town on a mislynch will make me unable to conf myself later. I would lynch you for suggesting that in the first place.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Uhh on the topic of UFO being conf town on hammer.
I think they should try and hammer day 2 when we potentially have a red peek.

So them hammering today is bad.

I'm talking about this? Why is it bad?? It's always good for me to hammer.

[HardcoreMonkey]

Uhh on the topic of UFO being conf town on hammer.
I think they should try and hammer day 2 when we potentially have a red peek.

So them hammering today is bad.

I'm talking about this? Why is it bad?? It's always good for me to hammer.

Didn't you say you aren't conf town on town flip?

So what? There's potential for conf town because the lynch will always have potential to be scum? Why is missing the mark gonna be bad? Unless you know that both wagons will flip town?

[HardcoreMonkey]

IF WE CAN ALL AGREE TO FLASH WAGON ICE CREAM SAND WITCH, THAT WILL BE GREAT. LET ME SEE 7 HANDS.

[HardcoreMonkey]

LET ME SEE 6 HANDS* BECAUSE I'M THE SEVENTH HAND.

COME ON.

ICE CREAM SAND WITCH JUMPED FROM SLIGHTLY TOWN TO TOP SCUM IN THE RECENT POSTS AND I THINK IT DESERVES ATTENTION.

P-EDIT:

IF WE CAN ALL AGREE TO FLASH WAGON ICE CREAM SAND WITCH, THAT WILL BE GREAT. LET ME SEE 7 HANDS.

no they're town

I don't agree.

[HardcoreMonkey]

I don't want to attempt to chase the wagon right now because we might not reach decision by the time of deadline, but Ice Cream Sand Witch is indeed scum and someone should look into that.

However, if 6 hands show up and say they like Ice Cream Sand Witch lynch, it would be great.

[HardcoreMonkey]

For now, I'm good with Kaito. I don't have a strong Himiko read and I also don't like who I'll be sheeping by voting Himiko.

I'll hammer at L-1 fuck your rules.

[HardcoreMonkey]

MOD VOTECOUNT PLEASE.

[HardcoreMonkey]

The HARDCORE MONKEY slot is lynching Kaito because of Monkey's reason here:

I didn't like his scumhunting and the angle he attacked this game. It feels like it came from a scum trying to find a position where he can control the discourse and then failing at it and never ever finding another way to approach the game. Instead of a town looking at this game seriously looking for scum.

I don't know Toranaga's view on the matter. But he's not here so lmao

[HardcoreMonkey]

Apparently Kokichi

That is the opposite of what is happening, scummy boi

[HardcoreMonkey]

There's also this from Toranaga:

Kaito: focused all his 5 posts in talking about mechanics. I think mechanics talk are scumread far too much and don't super work as a tell, but it's true that scum normally has a better understanding of mechanics and can use that to appear helpful, and Kaito comes off awkward talking to himself about it. And for how concerned he seemed to be with proper play, he hasn't show up in 2 days! So that's an actual gun-to-my-head-scum read I have right now.

And this from Monkey:

Kaito: focused all his 5 posts in talking about mechanics. I think mechanics talk are scumread far too much and don't super work as a tell, but it's true that scum normally has a better understanding of mechanics and can use that to appear helpful, and Kaito comes off awkward talking to himself about it. And for how concerned he seemed to be with proper play, he hasn't show up in 2 days! So that's an actual gun-to-my-head-scum read I have right now.

I'll add to this. Kaito looks scummy because of how he made no attempts to read the people who posted before him. For someone who would have thought about mechanics, I would expect they have at least read the game. They would have at least pursued a read or two.

I can imagine that there's a scum agenda right now to push a mech talk instead of a read one, just like Panzer suggested. But I can't judge players solely based on that assumption.

But Kaito's #173 is the most telling of him. It looks like a slip. It feels like he knew something about the mechanics on scum and then tried correcting that. It's questionable and it's worth attention.

But it's not gonna be our vote. Let's move on—

EliMulch, just seriously look at how wolfy alibb's recent posts are and how the mindset beneath it is not town.

[HardcoreMonkey]

That's not even what I'm scumreading you for.

1.) Sketchy reasons why we shouldn't hammer.
2.) Sketchy position about the whole Himiko-Kaito wagons.
3.) Sketchy process and questions.

HardcoreMonkey remains at the top,
RedFlavor follows but not by a lot.

How is RedFlavor one of mastins top town reads. ._.

She thinks our neighborhood is a masonry. No rationale behind it either. Yeah I found that scummy too. Toranaga disagrees, tho.

[HardcoreMonkey]

So reading Mastinas weird wally things.
Is Mastina actually just town?

pedit: i mean its odd but its mastina she does weird things to help her solve.

Lmao put your own verdict to it and stop sheeping reasons just so you can have a safe position within the town, scummy boi

[HardcoreMonkey]

This Ice Cream Sand Witch duo is scum I'm calling it.

[HardcoreMonkey]

VOTE: The Brain and Pinky

Why did you choose to naked vote over spewing some towny shit organically? Are you actually scum?

[HardcoreMonkey]

I have no idea how Koreyiko can seriously look at this game and think that we're scum. There's serious disconnect in mindset there. It screams disingenuous reading process.

Anyway, if we haven't done this, I'd like to do this VOTE: Kaito. I hope Toranaga agrees.

Disconnect from what? What's disingenous exactly? This is vague.

I didn't like his scumhunting and the angle he attacked this game. It feels like it came from a scum trying to find a position where he can control the discourse and then failing at it and never ever finding another way to approach the game. Instead of a town looking at this game seriously looking for scum.

This is also vague, but I can actually look for it in Kaito's posting and see if there's something there, so I'll do it.
I doubt I'll be influencing the lynch today, but I can prepare for tomorrow.
Good night all.
Apologies for not being able to get into this game before night. I've been unexpectedly busy.

This is not vague. I think you are just making shit up. I think you are bullshitting your push on me. That's your memo. My Kaito read is not vague also.

Good night flower boy

[HardcoreMonkey]

I don't know why I'm getting singled out over other people. I thought Brain and Pinky was town but they're being pretty opportunistic themself. I still don't know why everybody is saying they'd vote for me.

So why aren't you voting your strong scum read?

What do you mean "spewing some towny shit organically"? Are you asking why he did something overtly scummy instead of trying to act town?

No I'm asking why instead of saying something to help the town solve the game (which is what the default mindset of a town should be), he chose to do a naked vote which does not make much sense to do if he's town in his position. Why are you asking questions like this I'm not hard to understand?