Danganronpa V3 Upick! Game over!

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah... hello.



My detective abilities, such as they are, aren't helping me figure out what's happening in here so far. But I don't think testing a hated claim is as bright an idea as in the inverse case.

[Shuichi Saihara]

But I don't think testing a hated claim is as bright an idea as in the inverse case.

Us C.A.W. agents would like to see if it appeared on a vote count before acting further.

I prefer to conduct my detective work without such preconceived premises, but to each their own.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Hi, Kaede.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't think testing a hated claim is as bright an idea as in the inverse case.

Wow, you are such a good detective. I bet no one else could figure this one out. What would we do without our precious detective.

Thank you! I'm really pretty new at this, so any compliment really--

Oh, you don't mean it, do you?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Oh, I'm supposed to be having reads. I nearly forgot.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah... that's a lot of pressure... But I can't let you all down.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah... that's a lot of pressure... But I can't let you all down.

Fellow detective, if I may ask you a question, what is your opinion on the suspect: Almost50?

He might be one of the culprits, but we need to keep discussing it to be sure we find the truth!

[Shuichi Saihara]

I can't tell if you're hitting on me or planning to kill me. Either way, I'm totes interested. I bet there is nothing creepy about you at all~

No, absolutely nothing at all. Though others may have different opinions. the lens with which we all see the world is so variable.


VOTE: Izuru Kamukura

I have a formal request.
If you are indeed innocent and not the culprit, please leave them to us.
We'll take care of them.

Isn't it a bit early to start with insisting only you can know what is truth?

[Shuichi Saihara]

We have a particularly good history in dealing with said suspect.
As such, we should be able to identify them wtih ease.

That's fine, but I don't see any harm in letting the rest of us investigate as we see fit, too.

[Shuichi Saihara]

We can likely assume the fakeclaims are the uPick characters while the scumteam are like monokids or something.

[Shuichi Saihara]

We can likely assume the fakeclaims are the uPick characters while the scumteam are like monokids or something.

Shuichi did you smoke some of Miu's pot

Apparently? Does it make you a better detective? You should probably try it then.

[Shuichi Saihara]

We can likely assume the fakeclaims are the uPick characters while the scumteam are like monokids or something.

That's not how upicks work, plus the monokids were part of the potential picks from Monokuma's post iirc.
It's probably just a towny sounding version of whatever evil roles they have.

I guess? Don't see why they would need them, then.

I don't really think this is important.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I wonder if the detective is picking up what I already know.

You're just lying again to make him doubt himself?

[Shuichi Saihara]

So many of you are so young, and so naive. The culprits will go to lengths you can hardly dream of.

[Shuichi Saihara]

So many of you are so young, and so naive. The culprits will go to lengths you can hardly dream of.

You sound like you know this from experience. Got something you wanna tell us?

This isn't my first killing game... :S

[Shuichi Saihara]

@Mod: Can we like try to use the accurate names in the vote count? I mean, I didn't realize Himiko was replaced by their hydra (my fault) but I also wa looking for an "Izuru" in the VC until I finally realized you have them down as "Ikura".

I think the mod should protest this by using even wronger names.

Also man this post is mega tone deaf. You're here enough to read VCs and have nothing else to say here?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Everyone needs to be part of the discussion!

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well, you're not wrong

[Shuichi Saihara]

Us Owls work together, however the owl named "Alisae" is indeed the owl you are speaking to.

BS. Alisae would have to be high to claim he can sort me so early into D1. He has seen it all (or at least most of it) and thus knows better. If you are indeed Alisae then I'm comfortable calling your slot scum for that reason alone.

Pot, to kettle: "You are white."

[Shuichi Saihara]

However, Almost50 isn't resisting his wagon at all.....it's almost like he knows we are spot on.

That's cute. You think if I had a "male" role that I'd be OK with me going down on D1?

I'm just feeding scum the rope to hang themselves with is all I'm doing. More votes on me if you will.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I have no idea how many votes that is.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Keep the pressure and then get lynched for costing us the game with your nonsense.

[Shuichi Saihara]

For those who don't know me: I don't play the same way EVEN if I was handed the exact same role in an exact same setup.

Yeah? Who does?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Man you've played more than one game of mafia. You still think anyone listens to dead people??

[Shuichi Saihara]

((Basicly A50 is softing some kind of Vengeful modifier to scare people from voting him.
Vote him.
He's scum



This is a way better way to talk OOC lmfao))

Another proof you can't even read my posts correctly for shit. I didn't soft anything AT ALL. I followed it up explaining that you should be lynched next (after I flip Town) for claiming you can read me easily.

Now add the claim that I softed Vengeful which I didn't and you see that Crows is literally inventing reasons to keep the push on me. Why? Because >I< can sort them out "easily" (not really, but I like the arrogance in that claim so I'll stick to it).

You honestly believe they'd make something up they couldn't even pretend to back up because they're that desperate on page 3? Please. I see exactly where they thought they saw this.

[Shuichi Saihara]

or just keep ignoring me that's cool too

[Shuichi Saihara]

Oh, I'm sure you do that all the time.

[Shuichi Saihara]

i just want to play mafia games that you have to prove you learn from the past to sign up for.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Man it's like a loopier mastina in here.

[Shuichi Saihara]

or just keep ignoring me that's cool too

I'm doing just that, but thanks for the thumbs up.

...

VOTE: A50

L-2

[Shuichi Saihara]

If someone owns Fort Knox, then he is rich. Bill Gates is rich. Therefore, Bill Gates owns Fort Knox.). Your argument is basically holds the same lack of logic: If someone thought your read of them is stronger then they actually are, they are an overreacting scum. A50 thought the read was stronger than it was. He is an overreacting scum.

I think you'll find this isn't an equivalent logical statement.

You sure do like logic, don't you?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I will do what I please thank you for your concern.

[Shuichi Saihara]

People still think mastina is good?

[Shuichi Saihara]

@Shuichi: Why aren't you voting me already? (Also a note: If you jump if during my back and forth with someone else you ARE likely to get ignored until I'm done with them. You're even in luck I didn't get angry for it. Thank you and God bless).

I believe you'll find that I am.

That's a bad policy and I will not honor it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

or rather, ~i will not allow you to dictate to me the terms of my investigation~.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If someone owns Fort Knox, then he is rich. Bill Gates is rich. Therefore, Bill Gates owns Fort Knox.). Your argument is basically holds the same lack of logic: If someone thought your read of them is stronger then they actually are, they are an overreacting scum. A50 thought the read was stronger than it was. He is an overreacting scum.

I think you'll find this isn't an equivalent logical statement.

You sure do like logic, don't you?

How is it not the equivalent? The example was [Claim A leads to Claim B] [Elaboration on Claim B] [Elaboration is Claim A] and the statement that follows is the same thing. You cannot assume that someone over reading a read means they're scum any more than Bill Gates owning Fort Knox because he's rich.

And I suppose. I want to be able to contribute more to mafia games, and logic seems to be my strongest suit.

I could be losing the thread, but I'm pretty sure you switched them. The first is: If A, then B. B. Therefore, A. Which is illogical. The second says: If A, then B. A. Therefore, B. Which actually is logic. If you want to disagree with that argument you should be attacking premise A because it is in fact quite silly.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Sorry, I mean you should be attacking the if-then statement, that's the silly part.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Idek wtf is up with Kaede being scumread but that's hella baseless.

I think only Kokichi scumreads me, and he could just be pressuring me instead of actually scumreading me.
I wish you'd have given him time to react to my post before you came to A50's defense tho.

P-Edit: All the posts that appear while im trying to hit submit >.<

Speaking of which, everything is essentially baseless on Day 1. We do the best we can with our detective skills.

[Shuichi Saihara]

TLDR: I am being pedantic.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Speaking of which, everything is essentially baseless on Day 1. We do the best we can with our detective skills.

So you do find the Crows argument illogical?
And yet it seems you're taking advantage of its existence all the same...
Even with a 'baseless' first day, surely you can do better than that?

I am voting for completely different reasons.

[Shuichi Saihara]

1- @Town Vig: Please take out Shuichi.
2- @Town Cop (if there is one): Please investigate Crows.

You capsrage locked them down as scum, and I'm the one who should be vigged? You haven't even attempted to interact with me, nor have you offered any reasons for this read so it's totally absurd that you actually could expect anyone to follow it.

Happy with my vote.

[Shuichi Saihara]

People still think mastina is good?

She's better than you, that's for sure!

Lolk.

[Shuichi Saihara]

*Me* arrogant? Jeez.

[Shuichi Saihara]

or rather, ~i will not allow you to dictate to me the terms of my investigation~.

Arrogance won't get you anywhere with me. pal. You're on my ignore list for real for the rest of the game.

This post isn't arrogant.

It literally isn't.

I just don't care for being told what to do.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm really pissed.

You were already fucking ignoring me though, so that's not a change!

I don't understand why you're being such a royal ass to me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Careful Kaede! If you ask too many questions you'll end up on the dreaded ignore list for being so mean.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Being called arrogant really sets me off because I'm not, at all, and I hate the pervasive culture of arrogance on the site where expressing self-doubt is scummy and everyone is 100% locked into every read and doesn't even feel bad when they're wrong. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Cool anyone else want to insult me? I'm here all week

[Shuichi Saihara]

Good luck roleplaying as someone who's just boring. :p

[Shuichi Saihara]

Good luck roleplaying as someone who's just boring. :p

It's okay to be a fictional character Shuichi. I still love you.

I won't give you your happy ending!

(I was gonna make hope scum or do multiball in my setup I'm now not doing... missed opportunity yo)

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm not boring! ;_;

[Shuichi Saihara]

I was looking forward to wisdom adding sanity to the thread.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Come on, Almost. Put your money where your mouth is. What are you so afraid of? Unless you think that terrible Crows vote is doing anything, lol.

Anyway I don't really think my vote is on scum and I shouldn't vote out of spite as much as I'm not looking forward to playing with a brick wall.

VOTE: cy

[Shuichi Saihara]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Shuichi Saihara]

You really expect a lot from me, huh? I'll try not to disappoint you, but it would help if more of my friends believed in me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I should up my sass game.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Didn't think the angle 188 comes from is especially town-minded in origin

I don't have a case

[Shuichi Saihara]

What about cy's wall did you like? Also what do you think of cy's stance on a50?

It felt like it had logic to it and made sense and pushing you isnt particularly an easy feat, maybe i thought scum would be looking for an easier hop? I disagree with their stance on A50, but town doesnt equal right.

I mean yes it's literally about logic but I wouldn't expect you to say that's a town trait.

And having a wacky different scumread isn't like a super crazy scum strat or anything. If anything it's nice to be able to push something forever that won't get lynched.

[Shuichi Saihara]

That totes wasn't a lie by the way.

Wait... which is it?

[Shuichi Saihara]

on L-2 6 hours into the game

There's no need to be so antsy. It provided information and got the game rolling. Granted there are a lot of shitty hammers onsite for some reason, so I guess that tactic is less effective. Or more effective?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Obligatory Mavis tribute

I just played this to listen to the song

I didn't even know there was a fairy tail spin-off ugh. i tried watching it as a replacement for inuyasha (already not a good anime) and it just couldn't fill that void in my life because it's the same thing only worse and natsu isnt cute

[Shuichi Saihara]

What was your opinion on Kokichi's call to slow down the wagon whilst supporting Almost's lynch?

At the time I didn't care but now that you mention it I'm not a big fan.

I think calling to slow down wagons in general is something scum do for townie brownies.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Nope
Yume/Mavis is not a D1 lynch.
Try again

y tho

[Shuichi Saihara]

Nope
Yume/Mavis is not a D1 lynch.
Try again

Why not?

D1's aren't her forte.
Its easier to read her later into the game when she can actually get into it, she just struggles with D1s

we cn't honor other users' day passes here at the shuichi company.

this may not stop me from issuing them on occasion, but it won't be to anyone who's in this game

[Shuichi Saihara]

omg this is why you picked her i love you

[Shuichi Saihara]

I won't lynch anyone who is entertaining.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'm so glad we can all be friends.

[Shuichi Saihara]

What if the post restriction is a lie tho

[Shuichi Saihara]

alisae what here is wrong
village:
me
you
wisdom
kaede
shuichi
hebi

test

shuichi you get to answer this too

I'm a lot slower to arrive at confident reads than you are. Here's my town list:

me
crows
hebi?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't have any strong objections to it at this time, but I am particularly not convinced yet about you and Wisdom.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Crows (3) - cytheflyguy, Miu Iruma, Almost50

this is some real bs

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: Kokichi

[Shuichi Saihara]

Well. My vote was mostly a joke but the results have been so interesting I think I'll keep it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Are you kidding? These pages have generated all kinds of interesting information.

Thrills, chills, kills!

Wait, that's not my line.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why, watching you squirm, of course~

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why, watching you squirm, of course~

So you're saying I'm mafia?

It's certainly possible!

[Shuichi Saihara]

[Shuichi Saihara]

tldr; kokichi is scum, kaede is obvtown and shuichi is still sidelining like a pro

shade!

[Shuichi Saihara]

At his point my vote is out of pure spite because he's misreading me so hard if he's town that i dont even care, and if he's scum then he needs to die anyway.

~sidelining~

[Shuichi Saihara]

people are trying to paint this as tvt

who?

[Shuichi Saihara]

if he's town, his lynch is obviously going to cause my ML later

?????

[Shuichi Saihara]

tone isn't bullshit!

[Shuichi Saihara]

if he's town, his lynch is obviously going to cause my ML later

?????

Because he keeps saying that im scum.

So what? That happens all the time

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't townread Kokichi as much as acidphoenix ftr

If there is scum between Kaede and Kokichi it's Kokichi

Torque this is a scummy stance but I TR acid so...

Huh?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't understand either half of that read but ok sure.

My question was why that stance is scummy I guess.

[Shuichi Saihara]

look at me detracting attention from kokichi while remaining on the sidelines! i am nailing this.

[Shuichi Saihara]

prob gonna have to nk wis tho >:

[Shuichi Saihara]

shuichi why are you so useless

I dunno. I guess I'm just not on my game yet. I'm having fun, though!

[Shuichi Saihara]

welcome to maybetown, wis

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: hebi

some incentive to give us ali back!

(kokichi is still scum tho)

[Shuichi Saihara]

let's all just make a big trust circle and lynch the people we don't know

#justmsthings

[Shuichi Saihara]

[Shuichi Saihara]

You git me, I'm using exclamation points because I'm scum!

[Shuichi Saihara]

!!!

What an idea!!

[Shuichi Saihara]

You're!!!! Not!!! Doing!!! It!!! Right!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!!!!!!!!11!
!!!!!1!!!!!!111!!!!!
11!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!11
!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!1
!!!!!!!!1!!1!!
!!!!1!!!1
!11!!
!!!!!!!!!!!11!
!!!1

Scum

Useless

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's fine
I'm having fun

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's fine
I'm having fun

Are you feeling confident?

I have a few good reads but am generally still developing my confidence level

[Shuichi Saihara]

You have "reads" and you're asking "questions" but none of it feels real, just going through the motions

Okay, then what's the actual content that I posted. You said I had a little content, so what was it. You already said that to explain the other part.

She said you had little content, not a little.

I can't fathom what the point of this line of questioning is.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I wait with bated breath for what Kokichi "learned"

I hope we still get an answer to this!

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kokichi, what did you learn from your selfvote?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Did I miss that somewhere?

[Shuichi Saihara]

It's unfortunate timing, but I will not be around much today and will have a reduced presence until tuesday

[Shuichi Saihara]

. I was doing set up spec that probably one of them in the neighborhood was scum, since lld said she didn't choose them

God damn it this is exactly the fucking shit I wanted to avoid.

I haven't read like 5 pages btw.

[Shuichi Saihara]

They pushed lld to make the first move on me, then made it look like they were sheeping

Since apparently LLD didn't care about my wish to not out ourselves and in fact did so to someone she apparently was scumreading I'll just say that this is exactly the opposite of what happened.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Question to shuichi and crows.

When I flip town, how would that change your perspective of the game?

It wouldn't

[Shuichi Saihara]

I Don even know what my read on you is right now though because I haven't read the thread

[Shuichi Saihara]

it is a masonry because we all hard tr each other.

yep
scum-LLD sure is unable to make you hard townread her in a neighborhood
totez

I am not town reading LLD that hard yet fwiw

[Shuichi Saihara]

So you're just sheeping?

I just haven't bothered to remove my vote now that it's served it's purpose

UNVOTE:

[Shuichi Saihara]

LLD has now lost the townpoints I assigned her and is back to null

I WAS GONNA POST ANOTHER "LOLWIS"
BUT THEN I REMEMBERED YOU'RE SCUM
SO NOW ITS
WOWIE
LOOK AT THESE SCUMFUCKS TRYING TO DEVIDE A TOWNBLOC

"townbloc", based on literally nothing

No its based on our play and role stuff

None of you are townread enough at this point in the game to declare that town bloc apropos of nothing, so if you're actually confirmably all town just out it please, scum are coming for you anyway if you are AN ALL TOWN HOOD

Crows is town reading me because I'm unbelievably town in the hood

[Shuichi Saihara]

You know I am in fact leaving this site soon when it comes to playing in games
so you'll never have to worry about playing in a game with me ever again.

:<

Fuck MS

:<

I think that everywhere else is worse.

[Shuichi Saihara]

can everyone who's not voting kokichi look at kokichi and realize we have our scumlynch ready to go

It seems likely but I'm not going to vote until I can read.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Crows is town reading me because I'm unbelievably town in the hood

could you be unbelievably town in the thread as well?

I will eventually

[Shuichi Saihara]

You know I am in fact leaving this site soon when it comes to playing in games
so you'll never have to worry about playing in a game with me ever again.

:<

Fuck MS

:<

I think that everywhere else is worse.

I wish I knew who your main was.

The truth is out there if you care enough to look for it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

so because one time it happened to be all town you're going to declare every neighborhood a town bloc, specifically one that has

one

three

of the best scum players on site in it?

Important edit

Did you find me that fast? :p

[Shuichi Saihara]

I hate that I can't be at a computer right now.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I got on a plane and didn't die. It would be cool of you all to continue to not lynch anyone but u understand if you must before I'm available.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi was like last on my list. I kind of suspect the dgr alts were given themselves regardless.

[Shuichi Saihara]

God I'm going to practically replace into this game in a few days

[Shuichi Saihara]

Shuichi is still out of town

[Shuichi Saihara]

I have a suspicion that this wagon is going to be lazy when I get the time to look at it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I isod miu. Is there a case against her other than "nm isn't supposed to play mafia"?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Also, claim

[Shuichi Saihara]

Also, claim

He just friggin' did. He's a bloody inventor.

Yeah, and? That's partial.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I isod miu. Is there a case against her other than "nm isn't supposed to play mafia"?

Everyone should vote either me or Kokichi in their next post if they aren't already, I don't care if you're townreading both of us

And you're actually doing that? Please. 1v1s can be ignored every time except apparently now.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I didn't see a ton of reasons to TR miu either so feel free to throw those at me. I just don't get why that's at L-1.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I dunno, many of you seemingly had no trouble ignoring wisdom for 100% of the day phase

[Shuichi Saihara]

@Shuichi/cy: Any objections to lynching LLD for a compromise?

I object to any lynch until I get home and can read the thread.

Would you rather lynch Kokichi whose all we have is that he's restricted in what he can say and have some "I can upgrade" as a claim?

I don't know yet. He has too many posts for me to read rn.

Me. Shush.

[Shuichi Saihara]

<_>

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why would I be able to upgrade if she can upgrade people?

Why not?

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't lynch for overlapping roles without a good reason. That's basically neighbor spec tier to me

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why wouldnt a hypothetical scum Miu be an inventor too, that logic makes no sense, if anything an hypothetical scum Miu has probably different inventions.

Actually they're kind of scummy inventions if you think about it

[Shuichi Saihara]

Again, I have no intention of voting sooner than Monday night

[Shuichi Saihara]

I wouldn't, lie detector is a bad role and no one uses it

[Shuichi Saihara]

Actually this means we either have a RB or a redirector (RB is more likely). If it was meant to be a Strongman though then we have a full Doctor, a RB or a BP.

Aren't you on the Kokichi wagon

[Shuichi Saihara]

I have a sneaking gut feeling both these wagons are wrong, though I'm only basing that Kokichi feeling on the last 3 pages.

[Shuichi Saihara]

gotten something that is not so damn similar to the ultimate inventor.

It really isn't that similar from what I can see.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fuck no, unvote Miu now. She's fuckin town.


Fuck no, unvote Miu now. She's fuckin town.

I'd love to hear why

[Shuichi Saihara]

I hope this day lasts long enough for me to finish my investigation. I want to reveal the truth.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fuck no, unvote Miu now. She's fuckin town.


Fuck no, unvote Miu now. She's fuckin town.

I'd love to hear why

Why is Kobitchi town?

I'm not sure he is, but I don't see why scum would handle a role the way he seems to have handled it. Still I know I'm missing a lot of context.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I hope this day lasts long enough for me to finish my investigation. I want to reveal the truth.

How long do you say it will take you to do that? I remember monday or something.

I get home Monday evening. I'll read then and or tuesday.

[Shuichi Saihara]

My train of thought is that upgrading is similar to inventing. One improves while the other one is just made. It's not that hard to make bigger variants in roles.

Mine is that it's not.

Also, please lynch scumreads in general. Play over role always.

[Shuichi Saihara]

This is his usual town playstyle

News to me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

The few times that he doesn't post about other people, he always makes it about himself and how things affect him.

What's the alternative???

[Shuichi Saihara]

Ah, I found the perfect name for the: Wisdom, Miu, A50, Cy group. The brainwashed Atua group.

All game.. LITERALLY ALL GAME.. Kokichi has been taking shots at the PLAYERS and never on their cases against him. Not ONCE have I seen him respond to an argument with a counter argument. There's nothing intellectual about his posts. He's just discrediting anyone who votes him or throwing shade at them. EVERYONE who has voted, or has shown intention to vote Kokichi at some point either got SR'd by him or has been called a sheep or brainwashed and whatnot.

Well, for one, this is quite true, but i think the main issue was "aimless questions", which is kinda hard to argue against no matter your alignment.

You could respond by saying what the point was.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Tbh I kinda want this day to end myself. I feel we're near the end. What do we need to wait on anymore for the game to end?

Shuichi mother fuckin saihara.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Daily reminder that shut up

[Shuichi Saihara]

That's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it

[Shuichi Saihara]

What a massive scumpost.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I have not. Ill see if I can get free WiFi on my ride home, but I doubt it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

What a massive scumpost.

I'm not wrong

And?

[Shuichi Saihara]

If either wagon flipped scum it wouldn't be as bad, but my not caught up ass arbitrarily thinks they will not.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If either wagon flipped scum it wouldn't be as bad, but my not caught up ass arbitrarily thinks they will not.

Why do you think Miu can be town? Cause I don't see it. All people say "Miu is Miu" like that is an explanation of anything.

I haven't seen a case against her and found little of significance in her iso.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If either wagon flipped scum it wouldn't be as bad, but my not caught up ass arbitrarily thinks they will not.

Why do you think Miu can be town? Cause I don't see it. All people say "Miu is Miu" like that is an explanation of anything.

It's not our fault you don't understand how a player works. This is how he acts as town. He's not totally in the clear, but nothing pings off as scum to most players that know him, as far as I'm concerned.

Please stop pretending one game is a pattern.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Or blindly following others' meta.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Bah, I only got to page 75.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I guess I don't have to be fully informed. VOTE: cy

[Shuichi Saihara]

Psure we crayon'ed Korekiyo red on every vote count scenario we had
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almost + kiyo + hebichan lets pack it up boys

I dunno. I think a lot of hebis posts around where I got to were town-crazy. That said I noticed some seeming contradictions from her that I plan on pointing out from a computer.

I'm not sure about kiyo yet either and want to finish reading to see the part that upset everyone.

[Shuichi Saihara]

VOTE: LLD

Actually nah fuck you.

I am claiming. I'm Maki, and I had an Unblockable Vig that I shot A50 with.

And he didn't die

So let's go lynches there yea?

OK, this is multi-level SHIT.

1- IF you're a Town Vig then you picking me to shoot was a bad choice to phrase the best way I can.
2- IF you're telling the truth you didn't need to claim. There are multiple reasons why your shot failed. Now what do you mean by "unblockable"? That's still obscure IMHO, as it could mean the RB could not have stopped you but the Doctor still could.
3- At any level, I don't see what's so implicating in a failed kill. "I shot him and he didn't die so he must be Scum" just doesn't compute at this end. Try again. Do you have a case?

Now unless you give me a GOOD REASON why you shot at e to begin with then I'm voting you. A Town Vig who can't tell who's bad at reads is as destructive to Town as the Mafia is.

Hi. Do you know why you aren't dead?

[Shuichi Saihara]

It appears I'm actually being somewhat town read here so can we discuss why the Kokichi wagon got so much resistance when I'm town too. Maybe scum were informed of Kokichi's role.

I thought scum just got to decide his target or something.

Maybe it's because ppl didn't Sr him obv

[Shuichi Saihara]

can somebody explain why it's not this scenario

scum rbd almost
almost bg failed
lld vig hit almost's bp

That makes the most sense.

So if anyone wants to claim a rb action on A50, now is the time to do so or its your funeral if you claim.

Who would block him.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Can we please wagon cy? He's kind of obvscum.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Actually Kiyo
you're at L-2 because you're hated
You should probably claim lol

Correction L-1

VOTE: Kiyo

stop

[Shuichi Saihara]

can somebody explain why it's not this scenario

scum rbd almost
almost bg failed
lld vig hit almost's bp

That makes the most sense.

So if anyone wants to claim a rb action on A50, now is the time to do so or its your funeral if you claim.

Who would block him.

In no world does Kaede block him either

statistical regression was used to come to this conclusion

SHIT! That remark made me go reread her role PM, and if she targeted me for the neighborhood then she did RB me.

Hey guys, CROWS IS SCUM and I SWEAR IT! LLD is likely Town now, but I SWEAR TO GOD ALI IS SCUM!

VOTE: Crows

Like, vote this. If if it flips Town blame ME for losing he game. I was wrong to let you sway me off his ass on D1. THIS IS SCUM ALI.

dude you're legit nuts.

[Shuichi Saihara]

LIKE
KAEDE EVEN SAID IN THREAD
THAT SHE TARGETTED ME

i can also confirm crows claimed kaede targeted them in the hood before any of this came up.

[Shuichi Saihara]

i literally hate everyone posting in this thread right now

[Shuichi Saihara]

Like A50 is always scum period because of this push.

why?

it's insane craplogic, but i haven't ever seen anything else from him in any game

[Shuichi Saihara]

I need to be more selective about the playerlists I'm willing to put up with.

I'm tired of trying to explain basic sense to crazy players.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Like anyone who's ever said someone was 100% anything when they didn't have proof should go straight on a blacklist.

Except then I don't think I could play in any mafia games anymore.

[Shuichi Saihara]

read like
all of these posts

I did, but it's not clicking, whatever it is.

[Shuichi Saihara]

i do, yes

unless he claimed scum between pages 75 and 140

[Shuichi Saihara]

Kaede was a vastly better nightkill than Miu-town would be.

[Shuichi Saihara]

read like
all of these posts

I did, but it's not clicking, whatever it is.

He's scum suggesting I am faking kaede neighbourizing me

Why can't he be town and bad?

[Shuichi Saihara]

read like
all of these posts

I did, but it's not clicking, whatever it is.

He's scum suggesting I am faking kaede neighbourizing me

Why can't he be town and bad?

Because the push is extremely easy to make from scum.
A50 isn't bad at the game
If he was town he would never make this push
so he's scum.

My observations have led me to believe that he is quite bad at the game.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I HAVE A NEIGHBOURHOOD IN MY PRIATE TOPICS

YOU ARE LYING. How did you find about that neighborhood is the mod didn't tell you about it? Did you go search all PT's in the private section to see which of them you had access to???

Yes, this is exactly what e must have done, and eir comments in our neighborhood before this issue came up reinforce that this is what happened.

[Shuichi Saihara]

OKAY A50
AND HERE IS KAEDE'S ROLE PM

WHAT DOES IT SAY?

YOU WILL INVITE PEOPLE TO A PIANO RECITAL EACH NIGHT IN YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THE NEIGHBOURIZING IS DELAYED

You don't fool me. When a player say precisely that their PTs start the next day it's bc they

asked the mod

. Otherwise Kaede would not have even though of saying that in the first place. It is evident she asked Maria if her hoods would be activated the same night and the response was that they only get started the NEXT DAY.

I would love to continue trying to talk to you but I literally don't even understand the words in this post.

Of course hoods don't get activated the same night. That makes no sense.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Like this is how the game works. You do things at night and then they resolve. If Kaede was a vig and vigged Crows, they would be vigged. If she doc'ed them they would be doc'ed. It's no different. There is no special property of neighborizing that makes it magically not resolve if you die.

[Shuichi Saihara]

OK, I don't understand this "night 0" thing at all.

[Shuichi Saihara]

OK, I don't understand this "night 0" thing at all.

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[Shuichi Saihara]

The neighbourhood existed from the beginning but just with Kaede, then n1 she added Crows to it

Oh, I get it.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I concur.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I do not see the scum motivation in pretending not to understand, Ali. I think the not understanding has to be real, and isn't alignment relevant.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I mean okay I see the hypothetical benefit to not understanding but it's not going to confuse everyone else enough to lynch you so ?????

[Shuichi Saihara]

I do not see the scum motivation in pretending not to understand, Ali. I think the not understanding has to be real, and isn't alignment relevant.

The lack of understanding looks faked

To what end?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Can we lynch scum now? Look, this dude pops in to post nothing, constantly tries to fall back on logic, hasn't made a town post all game. Does anyone have a single reason to think it's town? I can point to one for most of you. But lurking it out while we throw shit at each other and yell a bunch is, I assume, the only way the culprit can think of to play scum because he's no good at fabricating reads (this is why he doesn't have any that come from natural trajectories) -- just function discontinuities, if you will). Literally no one doesn't scumread this, so why doesn't it get votes?

[Shuichi Saihara]

They are litterally turning everything I say to look like it is coming from scum
it looks like scum trying to present strong reasoning and not town looking like they are right.
It looks like scum trying to win a debate instead of lynch scum.

1) Yes, he is doing that a bit.
2) But no one could look at that reasoning who understands the mechanics of mafia and think it's strong reasoning.
3) Townies aren't allowed to get overinvolved in winning an argument? I think I see that all the time.

[Shuichi Saihara]

holy crap he has 209 posts???

[Shuichi Saihara]

My dude I think you need to cool off and come back later with fresh eyes.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I'll tell you what! If Kaede didn't target ME last night, I'm quitting playing solo with this account. OK?

This is against site rules.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Maria obviously has designed the game to make OUR ROLES work against us

There is minimal evidence to support this.

But hey, there's minimal evidence you even read my posts, so I guess I shouldn't waste my finger movements.

[Shuichi Saihara]

My role would have been weakened if I targeted a Town-aligned male. There are like 5 male caharcters in this game (if I remember the claims correctly), so they can't all be scum EVEN if we assume all Scum are males (which I'm NOT promoting), so me protecting a Townie could have still hurt me.

Your flavor makes very very clear sense with this. In fact if Tenko didn't have something to do with males in her role I would be quite surprised.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If Kaede HARD TR'd Crows though she probably would NOT have targeted him bc of the block. With a role like this you target a soft TR.. someone you're not confident in your read about them. If they're Town then you'll probably know it in the PT. If they're Scum then at least you blocked their action.

Hate to rain on your all knowing overbeing level of mafia theory knowledge, but Kaede's role honestly is best used as a roleblocker with the other part ignored. However, her posts make it very clear she didn't see it that way, so we shouldn't be surprised she tried to neighborize someone she literally said she wanted to neighborize.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Good night and everyone pls stahp.

[Shuichi Saihara]

if the Cop was killed, the investigation never resolves, because he wasn't alive to investigate.

i hate NAR so much.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Like anyone who's ever said someone was 100% anything when they didn't have proof should go straight on a blacklist.

Except then I don't think I could play in any mafia games anymore.

Hey man, I'm trying to keep an open mind about possible players. It's not my fault that my open mind makes people scumread me.

literally every fucking thing this slot posts is scummy.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I would like more information before I agree to be okay with a Kiyo lynch, but everyone else thinks he's scum anyway so I guess it doesn't matter what I think.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I don't really think we should all be responding so quickly to vague role info. If you want to out role info to lynch someone, you have to actually out it. Let us judge how conclusive it is.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Mavis is here.

Mavis shall

VOTE: Wisdom

becaue his push on Kokichi screams scum attempting to get an easy mislynch.

Yeah, that mislynch was real easy.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I guess I should probably note that a thing that concerns me about Crows is the way they hammered (I think?) Kokichi while expressing a townread on him and not waiting a couple more hours for me to return to the thread when I was telegraphing that I was likely to try creating a third wagon.

[Shuichi Saihara]

shuichi you're quickly becoming my tomorrow lynch interest

i won't out shit and trying to get me to is scummy

I will not be dissuaded by your threats. I don't want another mislynch. If you want to promise it's 100% conclusive, perhaps I would trust that.

I think it's almost suspicious that you aren't townreading my posting today quite frankly.

[Shuichi Saihara]

If you want to promise it's 100% conclusive, perhaps I would trust that.

I just don't want you to have wiggle room to come out tomorrow and say oh I just tracked him to a townread and thought that was suspicious