Mini 1992 - One-Shot Mafia - GAME OVER

[Lovebird]

Confirming!

[Lovebird]

Sir Bastion seems like town.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Lovebird]

That is not this though I imagine, unless Flareon gave everyone a Vig shot as their action

What does this mean?

[Lovebird]

I thought we had started.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Lovebird]

My role pm didn't say anything about confirming in-thread. Not sure what that means for Alisae's comment and gif's response.

VOTE: Bambietta

[Lovebird]

Why would gif look at the thread, not say anything, then pretend to have not looked at it?

[Lovebird]

I could agree about the entrance, though.

[Lovebird]

Oh, I think I get it. Still not sure how realistic that seems.

[Lovebird]

You might be right actually if gif confirmed via pm but only looked at the game thread later.

"Missed that part" is also weird.

[Lovebird]

Would still rather vote Bambietta, though.

[Lovebird]

Nothing on this page changed my read on anyone.

[Lovebird]

Ari didn't answer my question.

[Lovebird]

I think Penguin is town. I kind of agree with him, too.

[Lovebird]

Like, I don't feel like he's scumhunting he's just stating extremely easy opinions to state.

It seems like lots of people aren't really scumhunting. Why does it make majiffy scum in particular?

[Lovebird]

That's true, I think. Answering other people's questions is one of those scumtells that I don't actually think is a scumtell.

If that makes sense.

[Lovebird]

I still don't see why majiffy in particular. If they're observations that you agree with, are you scumreading him for just agreeing with you?

[Lovebird]

Why vote raya?

[Lovebird]

the rep out is scummy.

Why? I don't really see it.

[Lovebird]

Maybe bambietta is town.

[Lovebird]

Don't really think raya's replace out was scummy so kind of scumreading alisae moving her vote there for it.

[Lovebird]

No, I meant this.

raya36 has requested replacement

VOTE: Raya

the rep out is scummy.

Did you read the whole game so far?

[Lovebird]

I'm saying that I think the raya vote in the first place is scummy.

[Lovebird]

Nothing about that really jumps out at me. I kind of agree with her really, I didn't think your post was that good.

[Lovebird]

Why are you scumreading sir bastion? He seems like town to me.

[Lovebird]

I guess I'll be an "outside perspective" this game. Should be useful.

[Lovebird]

I think bambietta is town.

[Lovebird]

How? They've outed like 1 read.

Feels like she's trying, I guess.

[Lovebird]

Should we have nullreads hammer? Having strong townreads hammer seems likely to get them shot, having scumreads hammer means scum might get the abilities.

[Lovebird]

I don't really feel good about lynching bambietta anymore.

[Lovebird]

UNVOTE:

[Lovebird]

Bambietta, why are you scumreading UT?

[Lovebird]

That's weird timing, reck.

[Lovebird]

Having strong townreads hammer seems likely to get them shot, having scumreads hammer means scum might get the abilities.

[Lovebird]

That's weird timing, reck.

i am very sorry my raid group couldn't MOTHERFUCKING KILL KEFKA quick enough for me to come in and swap my vote to majiffy in a time period that you feel is adequate; i will pass along your feedback

Just seems weird that right after a few other people switch their votes, that's when you switch to your real vote. Not entirely sure what it means.

Also, I like the image thing.

So many preview edits. I thought I posted too much.

[Lovebird]

Reck, Bambi, UT has at least 1 scum I think. Those are my 3 biggest scum reads.

Pretty sure I agree with this, except with Alisae instead of Bambietta.

[Lovebird]

why is alisae scum to you?

The vote on raya, also kind of feels like she's playing more to some kind of angle than someone like penguin who seems to really be just trying to figure things out.

[Lovebird]

Why are we leaving "one scum in this pairing" to day two?

[Lovebird]

I like it as a readslist I guess but I'd rather just go along with whatever I see. Not really seeing the point in so much planning.

[Lovebird]

We should take more time on this.

[Lovebird]

I don't think it's necessarily a scum reaction but it's not a super towny reaction either.

[Lovebird]

Profound.

[Lovebird]

Majiffy wagon seems kind of randomly selected honestly. I didn't think his first catch up post was that bad because I didn't think there was meant to be a lot of game related stuff in it.

[Lovebird]

I'm objecting to the current gamestate, Alisae.

[Lovebird]

Me suddenly being scum for not wanting the majiffy lynch is either pre-flip or an attempt to scare me into not defending him, I think.

[Lovebird]

What's scummy about thinking people are town, bastion?

[Lovebird]

I just don't think you should have had this strong of a scumread on majiffy after his three posts so it feels faked.

[Lovebird]

l
coupled with those classic seeds to look town when town is going to mislynch here and general pro town noise *lets not rush into this

Is it scummy to not want to rush when town is actually rushing?

[Lovebird]

Town should be sharing their thoughts, so I do

Yes, majiffy was pretty close to getting hammered.

[Lovebird]

Town should be pushing, not sharing their thoughts,

your not pushing, the question is why and I feel the answer is because your scum

Wrong on all accounts.

I've said who I think is scum before and I've asked questions to try to clarify my read on Alisae. Just not confident enough to definitively say "this is scum", and that doesn't make me scum.

[Lovebird]

also lovebird only calling out townreads instead of scumreads is a red flag because it's way easier for scum to just call people town than commit to a push

I think it's easier to see reasons why people are town than reasons they're scum. There's also more town than there are scum, so it makes sense.

I've called out scumreads anyways.

[Lovebird]

Me suddenly being scum for not wanting the majiffy lynch is either pre-flip or an attempt to scare me into not defending him, I think.

This post is scummy lol.

Explain?

[Lovebird]

When I was "ride or die" town before and now I'm scum pretty much just for what I said about majiffy then either your confidence before was faked or "ride or die" doesn't actually mean a lot to you.

[Lovebird]

Also, feels like gif is one of those scum who doesn't really do a lot but people ignore them anyways.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Alisae

[Lovebird]

Because I'm also scumreading alisae and I have more actual reason there than the gut feeling I have with you.

[Lovebird]

Thoughts? Don't really have any idea what your reads look like.

[Lovebird]

Pretty sure most people shared that opinion, not sure why you think it'd be buddying you specifically.

[Lovebird]

I have no clue what bastion's issue is. I have given a real scumread and given reasons for it, before he even asked about it. Just because I try to figure things out instead of just loltunnelling? Doesn't seem like good town play.

[Lovebird]

no it doesnt, cause we know shit

we all know shit

its day 1 we have no info. Everything changes when the first lynch happens and all those reads and town feels go out the fecking window and you are back at square 1.

Push people, kick dirt in their eyes, get them flustured it's better in the long run.

If everything changes after day one then why are scumreads better than townreads?

[Lovebird]

My only response to 613 is "why?"

[Lovebird]

Was asking why alisae is a town player for you in the first place.

[Lovebird]

Bastion, you're telling me why you think that scumreads are more useful than townreads but you're not telling me why my alleged lack of them makes me scum.

[Lovebird]

I've already said why I think you're scum. I don't think you had a real reason to move your vote to raya after the replace out. I don't think your majiffy read and the strength of it was justified based on what he had posted so far. Your confidence in your reads is demonstrably either fake or not actually very confident.

I'm not claiming any pretense of having anything confirmed here. Just that this is a direction I want to go in. I've been trying to figure you out better for a while but you seem to dodge or deflect my questions frequently, and then people scumread me for apparently being aimless.

[Lovebird]

When I say "justified" I mean "warranted". That response is a good example of why I'm scumreading you. It's just a platitude and doesn't really answer anything I've said, just like 633 was.

[Lovebird]

How does voting the biggest wagon regardless of who it is say anything about his position?

[Lovebird]

I think you misinterpreted what I said.

[Lovebird]

Bastion you're starting from a fundamentally different position than me so there's nothing I can say other than "townreads aren't useless", and also that I have been pursuing scumreads.

[Lovebird]

Okay, inclined to believe you on this, but why not say any of this earlier?

[Lovebird]

Just mean when I asked about it all you said was "rep out was scummy" when this would've made sense.

[Lovebird]

wait so dont you think im scum too??

yet youre reading alisae as scum for moving her vote onto my slot after the replace out?

Not really right now. Don't have you as town though.

You can have scumreads independent of eachother.

[Lovebird]

Think scum is in gif, not mafia, ut, majiffy, reck, aristo. Still thinking about alisae.

[Lovebird]

I want to hear from penguinpower.

[Lovebird]

Alisae, what's your read on me?

[Lovebird]

Sometimes there aren't words behind a feeling.

[Lovebird]

Same thing I said about gif applies to ut, actually.

[Lovebird]

I think he's scum because he hasn't done any scumhunting and because of the majiffy vote. If he is scum then it's like I said.

[Lovebird]

Am I talking about ut or gif? Actually, it's both.

[Lovebird]

why is the majiffy vote scummy

Opportunistic. Don't think there was actually a good reason to think majiffy was scum at that point and I don't think they had good reasons themselves for voting.

[Lovebird]

Pivot from what? What's fake about it?

[Lovebird]

I mean, I thought Majiffy was v scummy at that point. And so did like half the game who put him to L-1.
Why specifically highlight those few players

They stand out as not really saying anything about majiffy but still voting there.

Why was majiffy scummy there to you?

[Lovebird]

I transparently was sleeping reck's vote

Ok.

So you're saying I'm right?

[Lovebird]

I don't think that's having a good reason yourself for voting. Weren't you scumreading reck then?

[Lovebird]

Don't understand the contradiction there kokichi.

[Lovebird]

1. his catchup post was scummy. it read like it was building towards a predefined conclusion rather than actually trying to sort anything out or give any reads. and half of it was like jokes or potshots in lieu of reads

Thoughts on the first lines of 477?

[Lovebird]

I mean that was his response to the idea that he wasn't sorting people or was joking too much.

[Lovebird]

I thought he was talking about this game responding to alisae saying his posts don't add much to the game, not to just the meta. The post in the other game wasn't on page six.

[Lovebird]

I was surprised that people read his initial post as intending to be serious especially when so many other people were joking around at the time. So it makes sense to me.

[Lovebird]

What does "loltown" mean?

[Lovebird]

Feels like we're shifting major wagons from player to player based on ease of lynch, not actually based on scum play. Majiffy wasn't really around, Ari isn't really around. Not that scum can't be lurkers, but why isn't anyone wagoning people who are actually here?

[Lovebird]

Mulch unvote ari, I want to talk to you.

[Lovebird]

Want to hear more on his reads. We agree on a lot and it makes me suspicious but I'm also a weird choice to pocket. Also just don't think the ari lynch is very good right now.

[Lovebird]

Kokichi, if you're voting ari just based on meta you heard from someone else, do you not really have any strong scumreads? Not meant to be an incriminating question, just curious.

[Lovebird]

Want to hear more on his reads. We agree on a lot and it makes me suspicious but I'm also a weird choice to pocket. Also just don't think the ari lynch is very good right now.

Uhhhh what?

Where in the great green fuck has Mulch tried to pocket you?

It would be indirectly, I guess. Agreeing with my reads and backing up the thing I've been most vocal about that nobody else sees.

[Lovebird]

Bambietta is back to not doing anything. UT said basically the exact same thing reck said two posts previously.

[Lovebird]

What reads do you want to talk about? I agree with your Alisae one obviously (although i'm not going to lie Alisae's response to me I think has been a teensy weensy bit towny)

Just getting kind of a weird feeling, about you and my reads.

What's your read on reck? You didn't include him in your reads list.

[Lovebird]

He basically already did.

Wait, ari is a bad lynch.

[Lovebird]

Actually, maybe I'm misinterpreting that. Ignore me.

[Lovebird]

Ok. Everyone stop voting ari.

[Lovebird]

It's not a bad post. I just remembered something that makes ari a bad lynch.

[Lovebird]

Ari, not entirely sure and don't want to say more.

[Lovebird]

Never had someone say that I should have split something into

more

posts before.

Ari, not entirely sure and don't want to say more.

Cool, that's a fine answer!

I think you're town here. Who are your main scumreads?

Alisae, tripod and gif.

[Lovebird]

It's just always notable when someone enters with your exact same reads. You having largely my same scumreads but voting kind of peripherally is also notable.

[Lovebird]

Scum probably searching hard for ari's soft now.

Alisae, tripod and gif.

They will be my first Isos in catching up then

[Lovebird]

Well, I -felt- a little pocketed from someone coming in and agreeing with me so much.

[Lovebird]

Wasn't saying that that's what you were doing.

[Lovebird]

I realized the second line while typing the first line.

Are you saying you think I don't have a reason for ari being a bad lynch or do you just think the timing or something is fake?

[Lovebird]

My bastion townread just stopped existing.

[Lovebird]

[Lovebird]

Your showing up 200 posts from your last one with an L-1 vote on bambi and nothing said about the replacement of your previous top scumread is terrible.

[Lovebird]

I'll ring my bell as much as I want.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Bambi
ok I thought I had more to say tbh :/

That's only 5 votes I think.

[Lovebird]

Not sure why that quoted.

[Lovebird]

How about ut?

[Lovebird]

Wouldn't it be more likely that her buddies would be waiting to hammer? Unless you think they're early on the wagon, assuming she flips scum.

[Lovebird]

Why are you both asking for reasons not to vote instead of following your scumreads?

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Lovebird]

You have your words though Mollie. UT was in your scum pile, vote him with me?

[Lovebird]

Mollie is likely to get shot, I think.

[Lovebird]

I think Kokichi would be a good hammerer, actually. Just the right level of null/town.

[Lovebird]

Yeah, but in that case we can almost use the scum kill like a vig and sort null slots. At the very least we can force them to choose between taking out the PR and taking out a strong townread.

[Lovebird]

Yeah, but in that case we can almost use the scum kill like a vig and sort null slots. At the very least we can force them to choose between taking out the PR and taking out a strong townread.

What makes you think there are no protectives?

I don't think that. I'm saying that this plan means we can potentially save those shots.

Yeah, but in that case we can almost use the scum kill like a vig and sort null slots. At the very least we can force them to choose between taking out the PR and taking out a strong townread.

:/

and if koki is scum then scum gets the pr

The same can be said of anyone. Having strong townreads take it seems likely to get them shot.

[Lovebird]

Ok. I'm not reading Kokichi that way but I get it.

[Lovebird]

One shot strongman seems like a likely scum role.

[Lovebird]

Feel like I should hammer right now.

[Lovebird]

Still think this was a bad idea.

[Lovebird]

I remember what I told you about it.

[Lovebird]

Still think this was a bad idea.

yeah rather than trying to eliminate a threat I pushed on a bad player and gave away the hammer to someone else

it was all part of my ingenious scum plan that only you can see

Wasn't talking about you in the slightest. Self-conscious? Was talking about having a strong townread hammer. Protectives are only good for one shot, Mollie could just die next night.

[Lovebird]

Still think this was a bad idea.

about bambi or having me hammer

Little bit of both, but mostly the second.

[Lovebird]

[Lovebird]

Does shooting someone you scumread make sense for mulch? Leaving them alive gives you something to look busy doing during the day and I would think makes it less likely that a townie takes control and starts a wagon on one of your scumbuddies.

[Lovebird]

Ari, you let me down. Why?

[Lovebird]

Ok.

[Lovebird]

Oh, did you mean in the game or something? Yeah, I guess I'm less sure you're scum now.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Gut feeling. Just want to vote somewhere. If you're townreading UT and Mulch then GIF has only voted town so far this game I think.

[Lovebird]

Reading through Bambietta's iso makes it seem like Mulch is one of her buddies, but that would mean that both day one major wagons were on scum. Unlikely? I'm also townreading Mulch.

[Lovebird]

I'm going to question why Lovebird is so townread and why I think we all forgot about Bastion at the moment. Aristophanes is also nowhere to be seen.

Probably all town.

Reading back, yeah, appearantly there was a guy named Majiffy. I forgot about him too. Put him in with Aristophanes and Bastion.

Weird interaction, which is what I was referring to before.

Later, Bamb chooses not to hop on the majiffy wagon or even pretend to start scumreading there so that she could believably vote. Doesn't seem like she's planning to vote majiffy anytime soon.

Holy shit, that was a big ass wall of text Majiffy.

[Lovebird]

Something to look at is the end of the wagon yesterday. Bambietta didn't have to lose the power and I doubt that it was WIFOM with Mollie scum. That means that scum couldn't orchestrate it so that one of them would hammer? So either scum at the start of the wagon or scum voting elsewhere and wouldn't be able to believably shift to the wagon.

[Lovebird]

I'm townreading his play, and also the wagon thing. There's conflict in my read there. For GIF, there's only a lack of confidence.

[Lovebird]

Aristophanes either has a confirmable role or has lied to me and is scum.

[Lovebird]

which apparently was him fake claiming a vig shot when people were saying "yeah let's just lynch him to get the vig to someone else"

Who was saying this? Why did you agree?

[Lovebird]

A vig can confirm themselves to there's really no reason to lynch one just to give it to another player.

[Lovebird]

So -you- were saying that?

"Someone else deserves the bullet" is pretty bad.

[Lovebird]

Your preferred lynch wasn't going through? We were like 3 days in.

[Lovebird]

why is it bad? a "missed" vig 1-shot can be easily faked via "oh, I guess I was just roleblocked gg". have you never seen that done before?

Pedit: Bambi, duh.

That's true, but is that reason to hammer the vig before he's claimed a shot?

[Lovebird]

Can scum do kill and use an action at the same time?

[Lovebird]

Fruit vendor should've saved the shot.

[Lovebird]

Fruit vendor should've saved the shot.

what?

If the fruit vendor had waited until we only had 1 scum left, that's conftown.

[Lovebird]

No, seriously. If scum can't kill and use their action at the same time, if someone gets fruit then the fruit vendor wasn't doing the scum kill. If there was only one scum left and someone died at night then the person giving fruit couldn't be scum.

[Lovebird]

Doesn't matter now I guess. If there's a shot refresher or something then the fruit vendor is a good target though.

[Lovebird]

I think maybe I'm not getting my point across, but it doesn't really matter.

[Lovebird]

Someone bussed bambi. Unless you think it's kokichi/gif.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Lovebird]

Kokichi playing differently than earlier in the game?

[Lovebird]

Penguin is still town.

[Lovebird]

Lol.

I think his play is pretty towny. And fruit vendor is a town role. You can call it NAI, but we've already seen the difference between town and scum roles.

[Lovebird]

Town roles we've seen have been pretty weak. Bambietta's role was strong.

[Lovebird]

It's possible, but I doubt it. Most of my read isn't based on the fruit thing anyways.

[Lovebird]

Hi. Been busy, don't remember if I got prodded. Post soon.

[Lovebird]

People are making the fruit thing out to be a bigger deal to me than it actually is.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Gif

[Lovebird]

So who do you scumread?

GIF. NM. Maybe kokichi, maybe fissure.

[Lovebird]

Maybe reck was onto something and that's why he died first. Though, it just makes sense to kill him first.

[Lovebird]

Feeling alright, mulch?

[Lovebird]

UNVOTE:

[Lovebird]

anything you want to add, or just unvoting for the ~drama~?

Gif was at L-1, right?

Don't like lynching absentee slot.

[Lovebird]

Like, I don't feel like he's scumhunting he's just stating extremely easy opinions to state.

It seems like lots of people aren't really scumhunting. Why does it make majiffy scum in particular?

a desire to deflect off of scumbuddy Bambi?

may be time to revisit this...

Isn't that talking about majiffy, not bambietta?

[Lovebird]

Didn't you track kokichi? Doesn't it make more sense to lynch elsewhere?

[Lovebird]

Bambietta forgot to or just didn't mention majiffy somewhere else too, I think.

[Lovebird]

Radiant, why are you townreading Not Mafia?

[Lovebird]

I think he was talking about Not Mafia's avatar.

[Lovebird]

Townslip? Not knowing about the scum self-destruct thing? Although, not sure I really believe that he missed it. Also, maybe only bambietta has self-destruct.

[Lovebird]

Failsafe (Passive): If you are lynched and you have unused 1-shot abilities, you may choose one of them. It is not passed on to the hammerer. This passive will not appear in your flip if you choose not to use its effect.

[Lovebird]

If you knew about her saying that she didn't inherit anything, how did you miss the self destruct?

[Lovebird]

Pressing reason to kill her was taht everyone townread her.

[Lovebird]

Just weird to me that you skimmed past Bambietta self destruct but noticed mollie saying that she didn't get anything.

[Lovebird]

and another reason the nk is strange and points to ut is that why wld you nk a cop cleared player over a tracker who can track your nk?

But reck was conftown and people scumread UT. He had just hammered a bad wagon.

[Lovebird]

I guess. Trackers aren't much to be scared of. Especially delayed.

[Lovebird]

I think my progression on Bambietta makes sense.

[Lovebird]

Lol, why am I specifically the one who's "active lurking"?

[Lovebird]

It's not like I've been secretive about scumreading gif and not mafia. Considering profil now, too.

[Lovebird]

EDIT: I didnt finish a section

"I can understand reads changing" but openly defending ari from being lynched day 1, but let it pass with little no comment on day 2 while still mostly town reading him (accroding to your read of bambi's posts you said ari is likely town here

I thought ari was vig. Then he didn't shoot. Plus, don't think I was there for end of yesterday.

[Lovebird]

I would never have let that hammer "pass".

[Lovebird]

Gif shouldn't get a pass for just not doing anything. He can still be scum.

[Lovebird]

We lynched scum. Singular.

[Lovebird]

Actually, I think bambietta was been bussed hard.

[Lovebird]

Except herself, yeah.

[Lovebird]

Don't really see kokichi as scum. Thinking mulch was bussing day one.

[Lovebird]

Still don't townread gif but I get the sense both scum on the wagon.

[Lovebird]

I am voting?

[Lovebird]

Huh. Forgot.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Lovebird]

You asked towny questions early game I think.

[Lovebird]

Though, maybe I should reconsider. Would just leave me with very few townreads.

[Lovebird]

Yeah, but you said that I was

still

town earlier in this day phase. Why?

And, why should you reconsider now?

Because I was tring you earlier and it's hadn't changed. So, still.

Just looked through your iso. Just not that much "followup", I guess.

[Lovebird]

It's not like I've been secretive about scumreading gif and not mafia. Considering profil now, too.

What about those 3 do you scumread?

Gif stopped playing basically after bambietta lynch. Also had some interactions with her that could be scum / scum.

[Lovebird]

Does scum interact this way with their buddy? Maybe it's actually genuine. Plus, I still think bambietta was bussed.

Oh also for srs read, bambi is probably town.
Cos I don't see scum reacting to pressure that way.

IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANYONE BEING HERE, SAY SO NOW

Yes.

Take bambi off the lynch list today.

Oh also daily reminder that bambi is town. kthx.

I actually buy the claim, because it's a vonflare game.

NOT IF I DO IT FIRST

jk I don't even scumread her

btw I think if Bambi was scum with that op role she would've self-hammered already.

I still think her not self-hammering right now is a compelling reason.

[Lovebird]

Plus, profil had that kind of townslip. So maybe he's actually town.

[Lovebird]

Btw gif and mulch aren't scum together. If one is scum.

[Lovebird]

Looked over mulch's iso. His vote on bambi doesn't look like a bus.

[Lovebird]

quick reminder lovebird is being very selective in her quote mining because GIF defended her as town just like he did Bambi:

Dunno some of what lovebird said are very disadvantageous to be said as mafia.

Oh Lovebird is still loltown

I'm being "selective" to highlight interactions with flipped scum. Obviously.