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[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Hey ya all

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Since this game is all about questions...

@Venus Mars and Pluto

If you could use commas in your username, would you or would you not employ an oxford comma?

Is oxford the same as regular? Don’t know why you care but I not only actually tried that but also the “&” sign as well. I’m sure you can townlock me from that important piece of info.



~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

are you even supposed to be here? -.-

I’m Mars, Shiro is Venus and Auro is Pluto.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

can I join you three

i will be

Probably not in this game and in one that allows 4 heads. There actually is a player with that name.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: DoctorPepper
anything less hypothetical that's caught your fancy yet, Pepper?

Is this a serious vote?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Liking Tris, Am, Hya so far.

~still Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

mind elaborating on ampharos?

. [that said, Tris seems like an obvious villager aorn, but whatever]

Kind of liked this but you obviously have more info. Are you suspicious of them?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

mind elaborating on ampharos?

. [that said, Tris seems like an obvious villager aorn, but whatever]

Kind of liked this but you obviously have more info. Are you suspicious of them?

~M

no. i actually don't have much more information. we haven't done much talking yet.

but, i don't townread her either. the thing she's doing there (townreading me) is something a lot of people seem to be doing. what about that seemed more likely from town? maybe i'm missing something since i already know i'm town.

Just the phrasing “obvious villager”. Idk, it’s not hedgey but sure it’s possible it could be a pocket, just that scum tends to use more careful phrasing, more often than not.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I love Michiru :O
I think you've played in some games with me but you were on alts so it's hard to put that in my long term memory.

Also hard claim compulsive gladiator.

I wish that was a fake claim I really do.
There is an upside if I use it 7 irl days into the game, so I am likely going to do that.

I challenge Prune to a duel!

Is this official, since you bolded it in the thread? I don’t think you fakeclaim this role if you don’t have to. Idk if they’re scum or not but I’m obviously not voting you.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Without reading the game, I'll go ahead and declare Not_Mafia town.

Heyyyy Fakez, what's up

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

on that note,

@pooky @Venus

why just the hellos?

Why wouldn't I? It's rude not to say hi

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Liking Tris, Am, Hya so far.

~still Mars

I second that, especially Tris imo

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

This was all Venus btw

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Feels like years since I've thrown hands, someone give me the works. I'm ready to verbally 1 on 1.

You said a 1 on 1?
Suuuuup

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm happy to declare that Flavor Leaf is town.

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Ahh jjh, rolled scum again, didn't ya?

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm happy to declare that Flavor Leaf is town.

-Pluto

I think the fish may be as well. I called it first Auro. *pats self on back*


So 5 to start.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Hayasaka
Notice me senpai
Why did you shade me like you did

I chainsawed Amy, you could say I am doing something wrong but it would the opposite of a shade.
So to answer that question I think you are targetting what you believe to be a low hanging fruit. Ampharos + that avi is far more likely to be a unique ID compared to me who is a clear alt.

Rest of this player list seems decent or is Not_Mafia who isn't pushable day 1 beyond a very late PL.

You admitting to grasping onto something doesn't make me feel better about it. Maybe I can improve my read down the line if you are town I do have time to figure this out and I'd rather solve top-down then bottom up. Tends to lead to better reads. But having a preference to top-down solving isn't going to stop me from seeing something I view as off and acting on it.

Okay, still leaves my original issue unanswered
Why did you call out the fact I have 1000+ posts on MU? What purpose did that serve?

And like, this also serves as a point of engagement more for D&D, but what strike you as off about my reversal, if anything? I could have persisted on my push, but I felt really unsure of whether it had any legs to stand on following my considerations, and honestly I think it was better to unvote then, rather then get stuck in some headass push because I couldn’t reconsider early. Tbh it bothers me that Cakez is just blithely regarding that action as scummy, I think he’d have enough experience with me to know it’s straight up out of the norm for me in general to rethink in that sort of way.

I’m not sure about you but I can see that D & D could be sheeping. Still null on both of you.

I think Hya wasn’t a good vote in any case. I don’t see why Hya fakeclaims gladiate as scum here.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

By backing down do you mean "grasping onto something" because I don't consider that backing down.
It's more being self aware in the flaws of your own posts. Which is a tad different.

As scum it's less backing down and more posturing since I don't think admitting to a fault is an action that typically gets scum read. People on this site typically react with "why the fuck would they say that" relatively easily so I don't think it's an odd way to back down as scum.

The tiny hydra sheeping me feels off because they are a hydra and I rarely see hydra consolidate with other players this early over each other. Even late game hydra tend to do that which is why they aren't very fun to play with.

Rn for me, D & D and Gamma are the slots I’m the most concerned with but Cakez especially feels at bit off compared with Doubles’. I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing that. I’m not crazy about Gamma’s stances particularly his vote on you but I like him better tonally.

No other slots are currently pinging me.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

also, i'm curious about the FL read. i don't really know how to read him.

I don't have a fail proof FL read in fact I don't know if I have ever truly SR FL in any of our previous games (even if he turned out to be scum).

But my readon FL this game is just based on vibe and caution if that makes sense.

Talk to me about "caution".

Meaning something like, I find its isn't difficult for almost anyone to SR FL due to his style and maybe its that I just default into TRing FL early game because its easier for me. Also, from my exp with him I feel his "style" is pretty much constant regardless of alignment. FL may be scum here but at this early stage and without any hard evidence its worthless to pursue fmpov.

I never really felt good about him in Post Apocalypse, I always felt something was kind of off about him in that game. I’m not getting that here. He looks more like he’s trying to get reads than push some agenda.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Actually very pleased with my role PM

Might as well start the fishing now, what is it?
FL, thoughts on mass claim?

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Actually very pleased with my role PM

Might as well start the fishing now, what is it?
FL, thoughts on mass claim?

-Pluto

It’s D freaking 1 so no.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

I don’t agree with this post ftr. I don’t even want to parse Pooky until I can get a little more content out of him. Auro and I are not concerned with Pooky rn.

~Mars
I will ask Shiro to explain this post.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

I don’t agree with this post ftr. I don’t even want to parse Pooky until I can get a little more content out of him. Auro and I are not concerned with Pooky rn.

~Mars
I will ask Shiro to explain this post.

Actually Auro is bothered but I do think Pooky’s reason for voting FL is very silly so we’re kind of disagreeing on that.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

Absurdity to halt momentum in discussion and direct town towards a less useful point of discussion.

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Actually Auro is bothered

Not really "bothered", I'm just cool with a Pooky elimination.

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don’t even want to parse Pooky until I can get a little more content out of him.

this here is something i agree with

I disagree with my hydra partners that a silly reason for voting a slot necessarily=scummy, so I think we need to get more content from Pooky before we can get a clear read on his alignment.

I did relay your message to Shiro.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

fucking hydras

They rule!

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

It is derailly if people take it it and start asking questions about it. If it was a rvs kinda vote it was way too late in the game to be of any meaning/fun

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

so I think we need to get more content from Pooky before we can get a clear read on his alignment.

Kinda why I didnt vote there int he first place I jsut mentioned what I was thinking as I read up

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Venus do you want to join me tris and hayasaka as masons?

Uuuhm what?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Venus do you want to join me tris and hayasaka as masons?

Uuuhm what?

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

{haya}
{ampharos, kaname}
{everyone else}
{gamma, FL,

sailor girls

}

...yeeeeep that's a scumclaim alright

I'm cool with jjh town now as well

-Pluto

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VC 1.3

Gamma Emerald (4): Hayasaka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia, Daenerys and Dragons
Not_Mafia (1): Ampharos
Venus Mars and Pluto(1): tris
DoctorPepper (1): Kaname Date
Hayasaka (1): Gamma Emerald
Not Voting (5): Venus Mars and Pluto, DoctorPepper, jjh927, Flavor Leaf, BrightEyedFish

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-03 14:33:01)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to fade away

@Gamma how can you be town here and still be voteparked on Hya? This doesn’t look like the anime game we played together where you were making reasonable but controversial stances. I didn’t necessarily agree with them but I could see how they made logical sense.

@Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I am trying to figure FL out but to some degree, the Pooky read isn't the worst I just don't understand what FL is doing and it bothers me.
There are limited moments when I feel like he is trying to solve compared to him just talking to player because he can. He basically feels a lot more reactive then proactive with his solving this game and it's a yikes to me.

I scum read "who are the neighbors" in particular. Feels like one of those manufactured posts to get the super-easy "but that would have been brought up in the scum PT" read. It was a page 1 claim brought up on many pages afterward.

just my playstyle. I feel I'm bringing a lot of discussion to the table, to be honest, if only because people will talk about me. That's an invisible effect I have on the game.

The second part, meh, I understand that. I just don't pay attention a lot of times. I could find instances in this, or you could ask players who know me like Auro/nancy/gamma, if you even need that to be further developed

What are your current reads on Gamma, DnD, Pooky? I only ask about Pooky because of my hydra partners don’t see where I’m coming from wrt to him. Thanks.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

on that note,

@pooky @Venus

why just the hellos?

Why wouldn't I? It's rude not to say hi

Are you deliberately misunderstanding the question?

- Daenerys

Doing what now?

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

It is derailly if people take it it and start asking questions about it. If it was a rvs kinda vote it was way too late in the game to be of any meaning/fun

~Venus

What did you think Pooky was trying to derail with his vote?

- Daenerys

Nothing in specific just derail any discussion that might be had if people started askig questions about it

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

on that note,

@pooky @Venus

why just the hellos?

Why wouldn't I? It's rude not to say hi

Are you deliberately misunderstanding the question?

- Daenerys

Doing what now?

~Venus

She’s asking why you ONLY said hi. I don’t see the big deal but yeah that’s what she’s asking. This is actually kind of hilarious if you think about it.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

on that note,

@pooky @Venus

why just the hellos?

Why wouldn't I? It's rude not to say hi

Are you deliberately misunderstanding the question?

- Daenerys

Doing what now?

~Venus

She’s asking why you ONLY said hi. I don’t see the big deal but yeah that’s what she’s asking. This is actually kind of hilarious if you think about it.

No I know but it is so nonsensical this was the only reaction I had.

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Refusing to participate in RVS isn’t in itself scummy, but now that’s like the fourth or fifth time that you’ve avoided answering why you didn’t put down an RVS vote and I don’t understand why you won’t just answer????

- Daenerys

I almost never put down an RVS vote and I fail to see why you have an issue with that?

Why is not doing an RVS vote scummy?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

And they keep needling Shiro over nonsense like his “hi” post and now RVS thing. Town doesn’t focus too much on those kinds of things. Otoh, while Tris vote on us is wrong, it’s based on logical game advancing reasoning.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

It is derailly if people take it it and start asking questions about it. If it was a rvs kinda vote it was way too late in the game to be of any meaning/fun

~Venus

What did you think Pooky was trying to derail with his vote?

- Daenerys

Where have I heard this question before? Oh yeah Tris asked it.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

By backing down do you mean "grasping onto something" because I don't consider that backing down.
It's more being self aware in the flaws of your own posts. Which is a tad different.

As scum it's less backing down and more posturing since I don't think admitting to a fault is an action that typically gets scum read. People on this site typically react with "why the fuck would they say that" relatively easily so I don't think it's an odd way to back down as scum.

The tiny hydra sheeping me feels off because they are a hydra and I rarely see hydra consolidate with other players this early over each other. Even late game hydra tend to do that which is why they aren't very fun to play with.

Rn for me, D & D and Gamma are the slots I’m the most concerned with but Cakez especially feels at bit off compared with Doubles’. I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing that. I’m not crazy about Gamma’s stances particularly his vote on you but I like him better tonally.

No other slots are currently pinging me.

~Mars

@haya/sailor girls:
Cakez and I vibe on reads when hydra-ing much of the time

Mars, why do you say you agree with Haya on the lack of hydra dissonance when the stated reason for your read on us is Cakez' tone and not related to hydra dissonance at all?

She said she was concerned about you sheeping votes and I noticed it too.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@fish do you have anything to say about like, literally any actual content in the game

- Daenerys

Fish has has posted plenty of content. Are we even reading the same game?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

It is derailly if people take it it and start asking questions about it. If it was a rvs kinda vote it was way too late in the game to be of any meaning/fun

~Venus

What did you think Pooky was trying to derail with his vote?

- Daenerys

Where have I heard this question before? Oh yeah Tris asked it.

Nothing wrong with that necessarily but your most original reasons to push people seems to be silly NAI stuff, so can’t help but take notice when you essentially repeat Tris’ question.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I would like a response to 467.

- Daenerys

That isn’t my opinion so I can’t answer it. Yes, I do think it’s slightly pinging that it even matters to you that much whether Shiro doesn’t answer your “hi” or “RVS” questions. How are either in your opinion game advancing in the slightest?

Yes, I do think you appear to be sheeping Hya and Tris. I will ask Shiro to answer your one relevant question to us, don’t you worry.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@fish do you have anything to say about like, literally any actual content in the game

- Daenerys

Fish has has posted plenty of content. Are we even reading the same game?

~Mars

FL and I had a pretty large back and forth last night (among other things) and all fish had to say was that the gamma wagon was stale.

I see about 5 posts in his ISO I’d consider content. Please quote me where you think he has “plenty of” content that is not either 1) saying we should flip the 2nd neighbor if the 1st one flips town, or 2) not knowing how to read FL.

- Daenerys

Spoiler:

Ugh, I feel a tunnel coming, but tris is screaming scum.

I do agree that Tris is giving off town vibes.

Good, I'm not the only one to see it.

What happened between these posts? Are you implying tris is town with scummy posts? Or did your read switch from scum to town?

FTR, my first impression vibes lean towards town wrt tris.

i need to take a closer look at my neighbor now. i have some biases floating around her in either direction which i don't think are actually related to her alignment. i need to see through that with a clear head

I wouldn't mind fading a neighbor. But if that neighbor flips town then I can't sleep until we we flip the other one.

but why? we could both be town, which is of course what i want to figure out.

Both can be town for sure. But I wouldn't want that possibility hanging over my head come late game.

VOTE: Hayasaka
Notice me senpai
Why did you shade me like you did

I chainsawed Amy, you could say I am doing something wrong but it would the opposite of a shade.
So to answer that question I think you are targetting what you believe to be a low hanging fruit. Ampharos + that avi is far more likely to be a unique ID compared to me who is a clear alt.

Rest of this player list seems decent or is Not_Mafia who isn't pushable day 1 beyond a very late PL.

You admitting to grasping onto something doesn't make me feel better about it. Maybe I can improve my read down the line if you are town I do have time to figure this out and I'd rather solve top-down then bottom up. Tends to lead to better reads. But having a preference to top-down solving isn't going to stop me from seeing something I view as off and acting on it.

I'm also having trouble getting any SRs. I have a few TRs right now but scum is playing smart or laying low.

My current Town leaning block is:
tris
Amp
FL

Everyone else is null as I don't feel strong enough to SR anyone.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Hayasaka
Notice me senpai
Why did you shade me like you did

I chainsawed Amy, you could say I am doing something wrong but it would the opposite of a shade.
So to answer that question I think you are targetting what you believe to be a low hanging fruit. Ampharos + that avi is far more likely to be a unique ID compared to me who is a clear alt.

Rest of this player list seems decent or is Not_Mafia who isn't pushable day 1 beyond a very late PL.

You admitting to grasping onto something doesn't make me feel better about it. Maybe I can improve my read down the line if you are town I do have time to figure this out and I'd rather solve top-down then bottom up. Tends to lead to better reads. But having a preference to top-down solving isn't going to stop me from seeing something I view as off and acting on it.

I'm also having trouble getting any SRs. I have a few TRs right now but scum is playing smart or laying low.

My current Town leaning block is:
tris
Amp
FL

Everyone else is null as I don't feel strong enough to SR anyone.

UNVOTE:

So, you think both neighbors are town huh?

Leaning town based on play alone. If we want go only on mechanics I don't like having a neighbor alive if the other one flipped town.

also, i'm curious about the FL read. i don't really know how to read him.

I don't have a fail proof FL read in fact I don't know if I have ever truly SR FL in any of our previous games (even if he turned out to be scum).

But my readon FL this game is just based on vibe and caution if that makes sense.

also, i'm curious about the FL read. i don't really know how to read him.

I don't have a fail proof FL read in fact I don't know if I have ever truly SR FL in any of our previous games (even if he turned out to be scum).

But my readon FL this game is just based on vibe and caution if that makes sense.

Talk to me about "caution".

Meaning something like, I find its isn't difficult for almost anyone to SR FL due to his style and maybe its that I just default into TRing FL early game because its easier for me. Also, from my exp with him I feel his "style" is pretty much constant regardless of alignment. FL may be scum here but at this early stage and without any hard evidence its worthless to pursue fmpov.

@Haya

What are your early thoughts on FL and NM?

@fish do you have anything to say about like, literally any actual content in the game

- Daenerys

Yes, the gamma wagon is weak. Can we move on?

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

Enough fish content for you?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I would like a response to 467.

- Daenerys

That isn’t my opinion so I can’t answer it. Yes, I do think it’s slightly pinging that it even matters to you that much whether Shiro doesn’t answer your “hi” or “RVS” questions. How are either in your opinion game advancing in the slightest?

Yes, I do think you appear to be sheeping Hya and Tris. I will ask Shiro to answer your one relevant question to us, don’t you worry.

- again, it was one question in my catchup series
- it bothers me more that you refuse to answer because I don’t see any reason to avoid the question.
- I am now more annoyed by the lack of answer than I am scumreading it

do you get off on being patronizing towards me?

i just feel like you continuing to focus on the “hi” and “RVS” stuff isn’t particularly helpful or game advancing and now it looks like you’re accusing fish of posting mostly fluff when their ISO clearly debunks it. So yes, not a fan of those kinds of questions in general. Sorry. I’ll work on being nicer. :/

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Not sure I’d consider that “plenty of content,” but we’ll have to agree to disagree. Honestly not sure whether you’re misunderstanding my original post or being deliberately obtuse—my point was that after like 6 additional pages of content, he chose not to comment on any of it.

- Daenerys

Can you please link/quote the posts in question?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Is it bad that I want to vote gamma just so the wagon will dissolve because it can't fade there and we can move on to someone else.

VOTE: gamma

i love playing with you, fish.

i'm a player who only kind of knows FL (my main is Chara) and while i'm not confident at all, i do see the town in him enough that i'm willing to let him be and see what he does.

Oh \o/ Chara’s in this game.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Sorry. I’ll work on being nicer. :/

Thanks.

- Daenerys

Yes, I’m referring to the posts you’re referring to wrt fish/FL. I want to make sure I understand exactly what you’re referring too. Well wrt to the “hi”/“RVS” stuff, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on that.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Actually I misread part of that readlist.

Dump the entire tier of FL and Gamma.
I town read D&D and jjh to the smallest degree where you put that tier. Still very much in sync though which is good.

I guess our shared POE is NM, Doctor Pepper and Venus Mars Pluto?

Some spectator quoting that and calling us shit for our 0/3 reads. Nice.

Hya, I know I haven’t been able to post too much lately but I really think you should at least have a glimmer atp, that this is 100% my towngme here.

Why is FL scum?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Venus and Mars and Pluto

what if you did just answer 282?
please thank you very much.

I keep telling that to Shiro. Why is this even so important to you? I much preferred your previous reason fir voting us. :/

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i feel like i'm getting too many townreads. i'll have to figure that out when i get to the present

Having too many townreads isn't a bad thing. It anything it helps you focus on your more questionable reads.

Especially on D1. It’s rare that I have strong srs this early. I think it’s generally town indicative.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just hope he says nice things in this game and doesn't rough talk me.

Silence oaf

I'm still holding out hope that under those bouncing udders is a heart full of love.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

this fish is very suspicious

Not if you’ve played with BEF before.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Venus and Mars and Pluto

what if you did just answer 282?
please thank you very much.

I keep telling that to Shiro. Why is this even so important to you? I much preferred your previous reason fir voting us. :/

~M

i don't have great reasons to vote for anyone right now. i probably should fix that.

idk.

i would like an answer though. i don't really get why they haven't

I have told Shiro but I’m not really sure what you even expect him to answer. This is pretty much typical Shiro in every game.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@D & D, while Cakez is frequently mislynchbait, from doing a cursory metacheck on Lillith, she is pretty good at obvtowning as town. So. why do you think you’re in so many people’s Poes?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

on that note,

@pooky @Venus

why just the hellos?

Why wouldn't I? It's rude not to say hi

My question is why just say hi?

Because I littetaly always say hi in games I am in, what kind of question is that?

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Venus and Mars and Pluto

what if you did just answer 282?
please thank you very much.

I keep telling that to Shiro. Why is this even so important to you? I much preferred your previous reason fir voting us. :/

~M

i don't have great reasons to vote for anyone right now. i probably should fix that.

idk.

i would like an answer though. i don't really get why they haven't

I have told Shiro but I’m not really sure what you even expect him to answer. This is pretty much typical Shiro in every game.

~M

I was ninja apparently xD

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

this fish is very suspicious

Not if you’ve played with BEF before.

~M

never

is he always this fishy?

Actually yes and frequent mislynchbait. I think this is very likely town!fish we’re seeing here.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why not advance something else then instead of complaining?

Dragons

Read Daeny's posts.

I did and I didn't see an explanation?

woops. meant to quote this

290
why is the progression bad? thinking a player is a newbie and realizing they really are not is often going to change a read considerably.

Because it feels more like backpedaling due to pressure rather then a genuine reassessment

Dragons

but there was new information, so how is that not reassessment?

I don't think the retreat was motivated by the new information

Vibes from his posts. It's sorta gut.

@D & D, while Cakez is frequently mislynchbait, from doing a cursory metacheck on Lillith, she is pretty good at obvtowning as town. So. why do you think you’re in so many people’s Poes?

~Mars

Probably cuz we're both busy and can't engage this game very hard

Dragons

dammit

But you two have been extremely active, so I don’t understand what you mean?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

See I think you’re taking the wrong approach if you’re town. Rather than just try to dismantle the wagon on me, draw out reasoning and stances from those that are voting me, that way if it does happen, at least it’s not for poorly defined reasons anymore

Thinking Gamma may be town from this. Also liking KD and jjh.

And yes, sorry that mod error definitely influenced my read on you. I probably was also paranoid from Doubles but you don’t sound remotely off here.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@D & D, while Cakez is frequently mislynchbait, from doing a cursory metacheck on Lillith, she is pretty good at obvtowning as town. So. why do you think you’re in so many people’s Poes?

~Mars

How does our answer help you sort us?

- Daenerys

I wanted to get your take on why you think this is the case. Your explanation as to what your perspective on that could possibly give me further insight into your thought process.

SC says it’s because you’ve both been busy but your account in general has still been one of the most active in the game, so I would think if both of you were that busy, you would be posting less.

But if I’m misunderstanding what Cakez meant by engaging with the game, please feel free to clarify.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

See I think you’re taking the wrong approach if you’re town. Rather than just try to dismantle the wagon on me, draw out reasoning and stances from those that are voting me, that way if it does happen, at least it’s not for poorly defined reasons anymore

Thinking Gamma may be town from this. Also liking KD and jjh.

And yes, sorry that mod error definitely influenced my read on you. I probably was also paranoid from Doubles but you don’t sound remotely off here.

~Mars

Are we currently in your POE, mars?

- Daenerys

What about my thinking Gamma town prompted this?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

But you two have been extremely active, so I don’t understand what you mean?

~Mars

If I were feeling petty, I’d quote back your “Are we reading the same game?”

Cakez already answered this but I’ll just add that “extremely active” is a relative term. If you’ve read any of my games you’d know I’m by default a hyperposter, this isn’t my usual level of activity nor is it Cakez’.

- Daenerys

Whether or not it would be “petty” is besides the point. Why would you respond with that comment? When I did that it involved something actually happening in the game. You otoh are referencing meta.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

See I think you’re taking the wrong approach if you’re town. Rather than just try to dismantle the wagon on me, draw out reasoning and stances from those that are voting me, that way if it does happen, at least it’s not for poorly defined reasons anymore

Thinking Gamma may be town from this. Also liking KD and jjh.

And yes, sorry that mod error definitely influenced my read on you. I probably was also paranoid from Doubles but you don’t sound remotely off here.

~Mars

Are we currently in your POE, mars?

- Daenerys

What about my thinking Gamma town prompted this?

~Mars

Posts like 633 and 634 seem very strange to me. In 633 you reference a response about meta as my possibly “not reading the game”, and in 634, a post where I call Gamma town prompts you to ask if you’re in our PoE? Yeah these kind of responses are kind of pinging me, especially 634.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

we need to have a limit on these quote bubbles

like a speed limit of sorts

if you are trying to respond to someone - you don't need to also include what they were responding to ad inifinitum.

Damn, now I see what VMP meant by pooky being derailly.

- Daenerys

Uh that wasn’t at all what Shiro was referring to when he made that comment.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

Still have unanswered questions:

Spoiler: @venus

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

Dumbest reason to vote someone I ever seen, I legit think you might be scum trying to derail something.

i am not a fan of this post.
VOTE: Venus, Mars, & Pluto

Even if pooky were not shitposting, i don't see how it would be derailing

It is derailly if people take it it and start asking questions about it. If it was a rvs kinda vote it was way too late in the game to be of any meaning/fun

~Venus

What did you think Pooky was trying to derail with his vote?

- Daenerys

Nothing in specific just derail any discussion that might be had if people started askig questions about it

- nothing was happening on that page except a vote that pooky himself made. There was nothing to derail except FL talking, and pooky’s vote is in direct response to that, so basically you just pulled this comment out of your ass

- if you think pooky is scum for that vote, why didn’t you vote or push him?
- what’s your read on FL?

- Daenerys

- Daenerys

Because we’re a hydra and we don’t want to confuse the game with multiple votes, especially if we are all not in unison on them. Hydra dissonance is one thing, confusing the hell out of the playerlist is another. I literally was in such a hydra where one head would vote, then the other would unvote, then revote. You get the picture. The rest of the playerlist was extremely unhappy about this.

Shiro was uncertain because he had townread FL in a game and been wrong but that was an extremely early read and he hasn’t said much on that since then but I’ll be more than happy to ask him eventhough 2/3 heads think he’s town.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Catching up tomorrow, been swamped with work and personal stuff. Any reason why we are wagonning gamma?

@mod, I think this needs a prod. It’s been almost 3 1/2 days now since they last posted.

Already done! ~Mod

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I have a surprise.

VOTE: 2 Pooky

this is far less exciting and appeals to my ego much less than your Ampharos vote.

pedit: ah, so that's how it is.

I was causing some intrigue. I’d still go Ampharos if ya think we got something.

Why not DnD cuz that’s where I’m currently leaning?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

I have a surprise.

VOTE: 2 Pooky

this is far less exciting and appeals to my ego much less than your Ampharos vote.

pedit: ah, so that's how it is.

I was causing some intrigue. I’d still go Ampharos if ya think we got something.

Why not DnD cuz that’s where I’m currently leaning?

~Mars

viewtopic.php?p=11809575&user_select%5B ... #p11809575

D & D towngame

Anyone tell me if they think we’re seeing that here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Daenerys and Dragons

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Mars: i don't use single-game meta. there are too many factors besides alignment that can account for dramatic difference between games.
Daenerys: does activity play a large part in your Ampharos read?

It’s more than one game for the heads separately but that is the only hydra game I could find. Cakez feels tonally off and Lillith’s posts just really don’t seem to fit with whatever she’s responding to. So, I’m also going off of individual games as well. Cakez feels so different here than in Doubles and just ISO any of Lillith’s towngames. I think the difference is quite striking.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

DandD and Gamma Emerald wagons both at 3 then?

Gamma wagon dissipating, that’s interesting.

If my vote were to be counted correctly D&D would be at 4

@MOD my vote is on the Danaerys hydra rn

Smh my head

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

That settles it

V/la til Saturday

Again, sorry team!

You can also change the settings in your control panel to V/LA.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

That settles it

V/la til Saturday

Again, sorry team!

Who is this team?

I wrote team because I've been writing emails all day at work but this is kind of a bad post

I was sure Fish was scum in LNT because he deathtunnelled me the entire game for saying “if” in some context regarding something to do with my role PM, can’t remember but this is really not much different, imo

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Tris and Venus/Mars/Pluto come across as the worst on the wagon, i wanna say irregardless of what DnD flips.

DrP also looks wolfy.

Why though?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I always hammer if someone puts to L-1 faster than expected. It's a good time to go to day 2 anyways, and DnD wasn't doing much for me, so I thought it was good.

I'm not jester.

This is true and it’s totally NAI for you but I still would have liked to hear any last words or possible claims.

But it’s probably still right though.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

[quote=Daenerys and Dragons post_id=12080216 time=1598536236 user_id=27958 post_num=736]here is final readslist:

{Hayasaka}
{Kaname}
{everyone else}
{gamma, jjh, VMP, fish, FL, pooky}

I am totally aware that being wagoned might be contributing to me scumreading almost everyone on the wagon but I can’t figure out how to not let it affect my reads so /shrug

Again, I wanna point out that almost no one has given actual reasons for being on the wagon, with the exception of, I think VMP, gamma, and tris. No one has defended against the wagon. sorry but yall kinda fucked yourselves because I don’t even know how to figure out what people’s alignments are based on this wagon, sooooo good luck

I was in the process of writing up a really long reply to VMP last night, but the gist of it is that I feel like they’ve dodged every question I’ve tried to ask them by either asking me why I asked it, giving a patronizing non-answer, etc; have picked apart our posts word by word to find things to shade us for; and in general I feel like have been pretty condescending towards us. (I guess the last thing isn’t a reason to scumread them, I just don’t like it and that influences my feelings about their slot.) I’m also somewhat suspicious of them and Gamma together, because Gamma said something about fish voting gamma that I had already said earlier, and VMP tossed an easy townread at Gamma but it didn’t change anything about their read on us. (This is why I asked that question about whether or not we were in their POE.)

Spoiler:

jjhhas very little content in recent days other than saying we’re scum (and no reasons for it)

pooky seems to be also dodging questions/content and has been shitposting; when I asked him for reads, he flat-out ignored me; and just seems content to just skate by without doing anything substantive

FL hammer was bad, he previously had said that our slot is likely green and a miselim

I liked gamma’s more recent posting a bit better but he basically hasn’t done anything except complain about his vote recently and I didn’t like the vote to begin with

fish I can’t quite put my finger on, I think it bothers me that he supposedly thinks my attempts to engage with him were scum-motivated, but like, unless he thinks Gamma and I are scum together, if I were scum surely I’d want him on the gamma wagon?

- Daenerys[/quote]

So, if I gave reasons I should be higher on your list. You still have never explained why my Gamma read had jack to do with you asking why you were in our PoE and why do you constantly cherry pick and ignore anything that doesn’t fit with the particular narrative you’re pushing?

Gamma basically coached fish how to act townier, which is a hella weird post to make if Gamma is actually scum here. Telling another player how to behave more townie screams town mindset but sure just continue to ignore that like you have anyone who questions you, has concerns or asks you anything you don’t like. And also, how extremely convenient of you to ignore that I was initially suspicious of Gamma but okay sure, just pretend that never freaking happened.

Fish isn’t the only one who wasn’t a fan of how you engaged him, fyi.

Oh and in the unlikely chance you’re actually town, you thoroughly suck at reading me.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Also, complete lack of commenting on tris slot, who I feel was the momentum swing vote onto DND.

That’s interesting but unlike you I didn’t see anything wrong with her vote. I also liked her comments on fish/Gamma.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Attacking Pooky and I is super weak also.

VMP and Tris had far worse votes than us, and I plan to look into that more if I’m not killed.

Worst case scenario is an all town wagon on a townie, but then players like DrP and N_M will be coming into play.

Why? What is your particular issue with either Tris’ or my vote? I don’t get it?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just don't see what you think I am not arguing against?
When the entire premise behind this wagon is you don't really have much of one.

Sailors - They called me scum

+ a single game of meta
Gamma - Complaining his vote was never counted.
Tris - I scum read the lynch bait.
Pooky - I'll sheep Tris
Flavor Leaf - This isn't a bad lynch imo

Keep in mind this isn't an attempt at diving anyones cases. This is just my memory of why people are voting them.
But reading this the only acceptable vote is Pooky's and Tris' because from an isolated standpoint I can see why they wouldn't hand wave a lot of Cakez posting the same way I am doing.

No, not true at all. If I was voting based on that, I’d have been voting Tris or you. I gave plenty of reasons with the issues I had with their slot, so I would thank you in the future not to misrep me. As for the single game of meta, did you happen to miss the post where I also explained that I had experience playing with Cakez and had done a metacheck on Lillith? I specifically mentioned that game because it was the only one I could find as a hydra.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The reason I didn't address the single game of meta was because I was tired and one game of meta is never enough information to make a conclusive tell.
Which is a theory debate over one that pertains to the game.

I wasn't worried about the pace of the wagon and I didn't think it would help me sort Sailors.

K, I don’t want to venture into outing each others’ different accounts but I would think you would be one of the slots in this game who ought to be tr me. Unfortunately I can’t elaborate on this without doing it and because that wouldn’t be cool, I’ll just have to hope you get what I’m referring to.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just don't see what you think I am not arguing against?
When the entire premise behind this wagon is you don't really have much of one.

Sailors - They called me scum + a single game of meta
Gamma - Complaining his vote was never counted.
Tris - I scum read the lynch bait.
Pooky - I'll sheep Tris
Flavor Leaf - This isn't a bad lynch imo

Keep in mind this isn't an attempt at diving anyones cases. This is just my memory of why people are voting them.
But reading this the only acceptable vote is Pooky's and Tris' because from an isolated standpoint I can see why they wouldn't hand wave a lot of Cakez posting the same way I am doing.

I do still SR D&D
I'm just being petty about not voting anything else until I get treated properly by the mod

She missed your vote at least twice iirc. If it continues and only to you, I think there could possibly be a vote steal mechanic in play but I don’t understand why your vote in particular would not be counted. Rn, I’d say Occams razor, it’s probably just mod error. Idk

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I do that too.

I think DnD vs Gamma was TvS, and I think Gamma is the town. Gamma being concerned about the missing vote is something, the only issue I might have with it is if they knew all along that their vote was missing, and thus overemphasized it. I’ve definitely taken my own vote away as scum before.

Idk if Gamma would do that, though, especially this early into the game.

But why would he do that though - especially when one of the main reasons I was initially suspicious of him was what I wrongly believed was a votepark on Hya? Gamma has continued to make it abundantly clear who he waa voting for, so I fail to see what possible scum motivation he would have for doing this?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Should I say?

Idk. For what it’s worth, if I’m correct about that assumption, I do town read the player with the knowledge of that being something that happened.

If it didn’t happen, I’m probably lean town null on the player

wait do you have an idea of who did it?

Oh, if it’s true, I know exactly who did it.

DnD if true? I still don’t understand why Gamma? Oh wait, to possibly make him look bad?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I am leaning on you knowing what the reason is over FL stealing your vote btw.

I don’t know if this is useful or not but the only game I’ve ever been in with a vote - stealing mechanic, didn’t involve a double voter. In that game, the town had one less vote to cast but yeah definitely interesting mechanic if Gamma’s vote is stolen and FL being a double voter but I think there probably not connected and double voters tend to be more likely than not to be town roles. At least it’s been in the few games I’ve witnessed that mechanic, the sole exception was Heroes Wanted, in all of the other games it was town indicative.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

maybe beeboy gladiated maria while we weren't looking

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

it ended up happening because it's taken a while for the thread to lock, but with the amount of time left there was little reason not to hear final thoughts from D&D and get a claim.

+1

I really hate FL’s and Firebringer’s attitude to hammering.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i feel like we actually lost info here

You feel that way because we did.
We gained the info I don't town read Flavor Leaf for whatever that is worth.

Irrespective of his alignment, I see absolutely nothing wrong with either Tris’ or my votes and he he has called our votes bad basically but given no explanation for why he thinks this.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I was reading thru the list of tarot cards to try to figure out what we could be up against in this game

and the Fool seemed like pretty obv choice for a Jester.

I forgot about this, there is an actual jester in the tarot so it makes me think this isn’t unlikely.

Someone should maybe familarize themselves with the Tarot if Gamma’s vote continues to be missing. I wouldn’t be shocked if it held some clues.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I didn’t intend for that to be “how to be more towny”, it was pointers to try and guide his mindset to be more useful to town
But that’s not a

wrong

way to see what I said.

Fair but yeah my point is still the same. That kind of thinking almost never comes from a scum mindset.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I didn’t want to talk about this without it being confirmed a vote steal was the cause but Mars’ post convinced me to change my mind
I think it’s possible Flavor might have been given my vote by a role that steals votes and gives them to another player

Interesting, so I guess they could possibly be connected then. If you’re vote isn’t counted in the final VC and FL only has a single vote tomorrow, than that would confirm it.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I think cards do have at least a loose tie to role, based on my own

Definitely agree with this, which is why I think role and flavour are more likely than connected. If we’re right about DnD, we should presumably expect to see a scummy tarot flavour as well, more likely than not.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

Tarot Deck

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

Tarot Cards - Meanings

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I had a thought based on those meanings
Probably won’t share today at least

I do as well and if there’s actually a vote stealing mechanic in play, there are 3 cards that I think would make most sense to fit with that. I was going to post which 3 but then I was worried that it might possibly fuck up a mass claim down the road.

This is the kind of game where having a neighbour or mason buddy would be so cool. :/

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

want to join our masonry?

Sure but what I was actually thinking was that if you have an actual mason/neighbour, you can always post your solves in a PT and in case one of you dies, the other one can still post your thoughts/reads posthumously. However, it probably wouldn’t be too hard for anyone who examined my meanings chart to figure out which 3 would make sense with a possible vote stealing mechanic.

Maybe I should just hint. One of them could have some connection to my hydra name, the second could possibly have a connection to rabbits and the third to a Rolling Stones’ song.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Sailors obviously gains a lot of town cred post flip. They had weird interactions for SvS.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Deep wolf is in Tris, VMP, Jjh, Ampharos, Kamane probably.

Nah we are town FL, all my instincts tell me you are town as well but our last game taught me to always be cautious. So I understand how you feel :p

~Venus(previous post as well}

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why couldn't we be masons D: Would have been fun

~Venus

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VMP, it was the timing of your votes in comparison to the momentum the wagon brought.

Pre flip, why is Tris ever a town read for voting where they did, VMP?


@Haya - I’ll do a search for them later. I started doing it as town way before i did as scum.
I have a hard tendency to derail wagons when they’re at L-1, as both alignments, to both alignments.

VC 1.5

Daenerys and Dragons (7): jjh927, BrightEyedFish, Gamma Emerald, Venus Mars and Pluto, tris, PookyTheMagicalBear, Flavor Leaf
Gamma Emerald (2): Not_Mafia, Daenerys and Dragons
Not_Mafia (1): Ampharos
DoctorPepper (1): Kaname Date
Ampharos (1): Flavor Leaf
Not Voting (2): DoctorPepper, Hayasaka

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-03 14:33:01)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to fade away

I don’t see the problem with their vote but if scum did in fact bus, they would be my least confident read on the wagon, also the voting us for the Shiro “Hi” thing to get an “answer” for even what, still worries me. I agree with you on Pepper and NM, so I hope Hya doesn’t waste a gladiate on that slot, since I will probably want to vote between them today anyway.

I think the whole missing Gamma vote stealing conspiracy not being a thing, lightly anti-tmi townspews me, Gamma, Hya and you.

Out of curiosity, why did you vote Amy > Tris, since you’ve made it clear, it’s Tris you sr > Amy?

Fish is very likely town and I really wasn’t too happy with Pepper’s reaction to his “team” thing. It looked a bit like he might have been trying to feel out a fish wagon to possibly derail DnD.

@Amy, @KD, @Pepper, @NM, why weren’t you voting DnD yesterday?

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Frankly, I do believe one of the scum is in DrPepper or Not Mafia. Strictly based on lack of posting and DnD seeming to be one of the slots trying to do something, to the point of forcing analysis.

Deep wolf is in Tris, VMP, Jjh, Ampharos, Kamane probably.

@VMP - dont take it the wrong way, please. I town read most of this list individually, but grand scheme of it all.

If there is a deep wolf 100% not us and I seriously doubt it’s jjh either. Between those slots, my ordering would be: Tris/Amy (I think DnD being super concerned with your read on Tris, possibly points to that hood not being tvt), KD, jjh, us (since I know our alignment, obviously).

None taken. <3

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Frankly, I do believe one of the scum is in DrPepper or Not Mafia. Strictly based on lack of posting and DnD seeming to be one of the slots trying to do something, to the point of forcing analysis.

Deep wolf is in Tris, VMP, Jjh, Ampharos, Kamane probably.

@VMP - dont take it the wrong way, please. I town read most of this list individually, but grand scheme of it all.

If there is a deep wolf 100% not us and I seriously doubt it’s jjh either. Between those slots, my ordering would be: Tris/Amy (I think DnD being super concerned with your read on Tris, possibly points to that hood not being tvt), KD, jjh, us (since I know our alignment, obviously).

None taken. <3

~Mars

The hood is most probably either TvT or TvS, since it’s unlikely two scum in the same hood,

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

BEF or Gamma could be pulling a pocket on me, but if that’s the case, I’m not going to be able to see it past my town reads. BEF’s posting on this page made me town read him further, that being said, he’s talking about me in ways that I like, which is the easiest way to get me to town read you, however, BEF knows me well enough to know this and such I know can take advantage of it.

That is my read on BEF. I like most everything he says, and generally want to see him as town.

+1

If Pepper flips scum, I’ll probably lock him in.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Sailors obviously gains a lot of town cred post flip. They had weird interactions for SvS.

I want to see this on the back cover of every major magazine.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Everyone here playing the game like I don't have a big button.

We notice but I don’t think you’re really going to have a huge problem getting an NM wagon through regardless whether or not you use gladiate or not.

NM probably won’t be very much influenced by it one way or another where as Pepper might. If NM doesn’t do anything game advancing today, he’s very probably scum anyway, unless a jester actually does exist.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

here is final readslist:

{Hayasaka}
{Kaname}

{everyone else}

{gamma, jjh, VMP, fish, FL, pooky}

I am totally aware that being wagoned might be contributing to me scumreading almost everyone on the wagon but I can’t figure out how to not let it affect my reads so /shrug

Again, I wanna point out that almost no one has given actual reasons for being on the wagon, with the exception of, I think VMP, gamma, and tris. No one has defended against the wagon. sorry but yall kinda fucked yourselves because I don’t even know how to figure out what people’s alignments are based on this wagon, sooooo good luck

I was in the process of writing up a really long reply to VMP last night, but the gist of it is that I feel like they’ve dodged every question I’ve tried to ask them by either asking me why I asked it, giving a patronizing non-answer, etc; have picked apart our posts word by word to find things to shade us for; and in general I feel like have been pretty condescending towards us. (I guess the last thing isn’t a reason to scumread them, I just don’t like it and that influences my feelings about their slot.) I’m also somewhat suspicious of them and Gamma together, because Gamma said something about fish voting gamma that I had already said earlier, and VMP tossed an easy townread at Gamma but it didn’t change anything about their read on us. (This is why I asked that question about whether or not we were in their POE.)

jjh has very little content in recent days other than saying we’re scum (and no reasons for it)

pooky seems to be also dodging questions/content and has been shitposting; when I asked him for reads, he flat-out ignored me; and just seems content to just skate by without doing anything substantive

FL hammer was bad, he previously had said that our slot is likely green and a miselim

I liked gamma’s more recent posting a bit better but he basically hasn’t done anything except complain about his vote recently and I didn’t like the vote to begin with

fish I can’t quite put my finger on, I think it bothers me that he supposedly thinks my attempts to engage with him were scum-motivated, but like, unless he thinks Gamma and I are scum together, if I were scum surely I’d want him on the gamma wagon?

- Daenerys

Who is “everyone else”? Interesting no read on NM, Pepper, Tris or Amy.

Definitely want to vote between NM or Pepper now. DnD PoE is probably all town.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I am actually upset that we didn’t get a chance to defend ourselves. I don’t think that’s ever fair.

The day hasn't ended yet

.

idk what this means, how hasn’t it ended?

When Maria fixes Gamma’s vote

, that’s 7 on us.

- Daenerys

Vote stealing not a thing as confirmed by DnD. They never even considered the possibility’ but fish clearly did. Doubling down on my anti-tmi townspew block of us, Gamma, Hya, FL and adding fish to that.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Mechanics cleared Pooky.
In many ways actually.

I honestly would have townread them just because of play differences to another game

Also, just gonna put this out there that I have the same flavor as D&D, so flavor has no meaning.

Interesting, I wonder if there could possibly be doppelgängers in this game because it’s highly unusual for two slots to have identical flavour. So, we know there’s probably at least one from this: one scum!devil flavour and this very likely locks you town if true, since I highly doubt there’d be two scum!devil’s in this game.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Let's put this to rest.

I've been playing casually since 2011, seriously since 2016. I'm a site administrator at MafiaUniverse.com.

Assertions that I'm new are incorrect as well as annoying, and I guarantee you that's NAI.

Yeah I don’t think someone of this experience level would be self-conscious like I was initially thinking, or feel much need to play defensively regarding mechanics
UNVOTE:

hmmm

I think my feeling of weirdness re: Gamma is more that I didn't read Ampharos' post as self-conscious at all, and even if you assumed that she was new to mafia, I still wouldn't have read her posts as self-conscious, so calling them such seems off to me. Iirc there were several people calling Ampharos towny for outing the neighborhood, so

it feels like this could be a shallow attempt to prevent her from becoming a universal TR, if that makes sense

This post is hella bizarre. Why would anyone be a “universal townread” on D1?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

reads are something like:

{haya}
{ampharos, kaname}

{everyone else}

{gamma, FL, sailor girls}

- Daenerys

More “everyone else” and 3/4 of the same slots as the final PoE in that category.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

ugh. i'm gonna be light SRing Ampharos for the whole game, partly in reaction to the townreads she's accruing. what makes this difficult is she's working with a different site culture than what i'm used to. and her play looks high-level, which isn't AI but does always succeed in pressing the paranoia button.
i agree with her takes, i think. to echo her thoughts on Flavor Leaf, i need to see her really push something.

you know, I think I have to take a step back a bit on my ampharos read as well. I thought her presence in the beginning of the game was strong and initially townread her for that, but it’s dropped off a lot since then so she’s probably now close to null for me.

- Daenerys

I’m starting to think Amy might be possibly town from this? Scum is far more likely to initially sr a slot than progressively come to tr them, then the other way around but regardless, this is still a weird flex.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I don’t know what’s happening

Any reads and why were you still voteparked on Gamma?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

full disclosure: I have a neighbor chat with tris.

Neither of our alignments are mentioned in the chat and (to my knowledge) there's no outside mechanical weirdness tied to it, just a vanilla neighbor chat.

If anything happens in there that gives me cause for concern, I'll let y'all know.

my instinct with neighbour chats is usually to keep them secret until outing them has a specific purpose. what's your reason for doing so here?

I tend to dislike concealing mechanical information without a concrete reason to do so, and will otherwise default to laying all my cards on the table. Having access to a neighbor chat is a super innocuous thing that I don't really see the benefit in concealing.

Furthermore, accountability; if Tris says something compromising in the chat I can now just pop in and say "hey Tris is being weird in chat" instead of having to waste time claiming later. [that said, Tris seems like an obvious villager aorn, but whatever]

Finally:

Spoiler:

i have no idea how to use a neighbor chat this is literally my first time

what an endearing answer.

@KD, what why did you make that comment? Sarcastically using the word, “endearing” doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me. so why that word, specifically?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm liking this prune wagon

VOTE: G
a
m
m
a

Onlyreads he’s given.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Okay, so Gamma is a top red read, not a 3rd. Non ordered tiers.

Just making sure. There was potential for you to go along with them being ranked, and I probably would have pushed harder.

But see how I drop the point?

Don’t feel like having the circular conversation, and now I have time to think about it.

are you going to be this condescending the whole game? :>

In what way do you think he was being “condescending” here because I’m not seeing it?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Okay, so Gamma is a top red read, not a 3rd. Non ordered tiers.

Just making sure. There was potential for you to go along with them being ranked, and I probably would have pushed harder.

But see how I drop the point?

Don’t feel like having the circular conversation, and now I have time to think about it.

are you going to be this condescending the whole game? :>

In what way do you think he was being “condescending” here because I’m not seeing it?

~M

Thos post by KD kind of pings me a bit considering FL was referring to DnD. Both the “endearing” comment to Amy and the “condescending” comment to FL seem to an overblown reactions to those respective posts.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i actually liked Gamma's questioning of Ampharos, the wagon that formed there confuses me, but it's actually tris's vote there that surprised me the most.
i don't actually think i'm comfortable TRing Ampharos after that reads post, but it's difficult to explain why. they do have a really, really good handle on the mindsets of players, even correctly reading my cautious "why's that" to tris when she voted me early on

as

caution. because of course i did think she'd merely misunderstood i was kidding, but i wanted to be sure it was that and not lead her answer.

need more time with Ampharos to see what's what, the most i can say now is a hope they're indeed town.
Flavor Leaf has so far not done anything exciting, in spite of an apparent desire to get things moving, and is also hesitant to put reads down as though we need to be worried about that day 1.

i'm surprised to have gotten vocal support on the Pepper vote. that really was spaghetti flung at the wall to the highest degree, but at the same time there hasn't been anything else i've felt too strongly about.

- what about Gamma's questioning of Ampharos did you like?
- why does the wagon confuse you/tris' vote surprise you? (is it in a good/bad/AI way?)

I thought the pepper vote was like, an appropriate level of casualness/focus for that point in the game, like you were calling him (them?) out but not in a super pointed way. I don't think it's suuuuper AI but more towny than null

- Daenerys

ick

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i actually liked Gamma's questioning of Ampharos, the wagon that formed there confuses me, but it's actually tris's vote there that surprised me the most.
i don't actually think i'm comfortable TRing Ampharos after that reads post, but it's difficult to explain why. they do have a really, really good handle on the mindsets of players, even correctly reading my cautious "why's that" to tris when she voted me early on

as

caution. because of course i did think she'd merely misunderstood i was kidding, but i wanted to be sure it was that and not lead her answer.

need more time with Ampharos to see what's what, the most i can say now is a hope they're indeed town.
Flavor Leaf has so far not done anything exciting, in spite of an apparent desire to get things moving, and is also hesitant to put reads down as though we need to be worried about that day 1.

i'm surprised to have gotten vocal support on the Pepper vote. that really was spaghetti flung at the wall to the highest degree, but at the same time there hasn't been anything else i've felt too strongly about.

- what about Gamma's questioning of Ampharos did you like?
- why does the wagon confuse you/tris' vote surprise you? (is it in a good/bad/AI way?)

I thought the pepper vote was like, an appropriate level of casualness/focus for that point in the game, like you were calling him (them?) out but not in a super pointed way. I don't think it's suuuuper AI but more towny than null

- Daenerys

ick

~M

Could DnD be distancing Pepper here?

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@mod, can you confirm or deny whether or not that the reason Gamma’s vote wasn’t counted at least twice was 100% due to mod error? Thanks.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

The moon needs to be removed from the thread title

WHO TOOK MY PAGETOP

Please remove the moon from the thread title

What does this mean?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@KD, what why did you make that comment? Sarcastically using the word, “endearing” doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me. so why that word, specifically?

~M

it wasn't sarcastic. i answered that way because it made me like Amy more, but in an out of game sort of way.

also, i didn't feel the need to vote D&D. they had emough SRs that they felt inevitable whether or not i did anything, and i wasn't scumreading them more than anyone else.

Why are you specifying in an “out of game sort of way”? But I do buy that I mistook that for sarcasm.

I think DnD were far more scummier than Pepper was yesterday, so not sure if how I feel about this answer.

In what way do you think he was being “condescending” here because I’m not seeing it?

~M

it was a joke about FL's ego. i didn't mean anything much by it, besides the post being representative.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

What interested me was that his post was directed to DnD, so what was it about that post in particular that you viewed as representative of his “ego”?

It concerns me that you seem fixated on Pepper. Are they your only sr?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

actually, i don't want Amy shot either. if she's town i want to see more of her, and if she's scum i think wagoning her would be more valuable than a shot.

also, day 1 scum elims lose games. don't get too confident yet.

Who do you think is getting “too confident” here, FL?

I don’t see that anyone is really being “too confident” rn about this?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

also, Fish, i am polite and friendly to everyone. except for FL, apparently. but that's because i think he knows any insults are only in jest. :>

Gamma claiming the same flavour as flipped scum is definitely ballsy if he's scum himself. i wouldn't locktown him on it but he still gets a leantown.

that does make me wonder if it's possible our cards were assigned based on drawing from an actual tarot deck, shuffling them back in every time. that could lead to double flavours.
this isn't me encouraging anyone to out their own cards, though i see what prompted Gamma to.

I have a running theory that if what Gamma is saying is true, that the scumteam might possibly be all doppelgängers. I have trouble seeing why Gamma makes that claim unless true and my Tarot Card meanings’s post shows that there’s both a positive and negative interpretation of every single card, which in Mafia terms obviously equates to town/scum.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

Tarot Cards - Meanings

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i don't like how people were supporting/jokingly supporting the early gladiate idea rather than just shutting it down.

doing that removes a lot of area for discussion which can be had when there's the possibility of a different fade

Who is doing this? I said that Hya doesn’t need to waste a gladiate on NM because I don’t see that as a particularly hard wagon to get through. Most everyone else seemed to pretty much ignore that ubtil recently

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

he doesn't seem like he has any agenda here

Tbf, he really hasn’t been posting enough for that to even be relevant? If you’re going to object to his wagon. then I think his lack of expressed survivalism would be a better reason.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i don't understand why everyone suddenly wants to get kaname

What do you think of KD pushing Pepper, who you don’t want executed today?

Are you tr both of those slots?

Why are you voting for Amy? Are you just sheeping FL’s read or do you have an independent reason for sr them?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

do it no balls

i have no idea

yes. unless you gladiate a player i don't townread. then it's good play.

the only offwagon i confidently TR is Hayasaka. let me see if i can remember what my other reads this game actually are.

Hmm, I guess I missed those.

@Amy, @KD , why are you encouraging gladiate over a regular execution? I agree with Tris that it’s suboptimal unless you have a wagon with excessive resistance and yeah, don’t like either’s reaction to the gladiate.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

yes. unless you gladiate a player i don't townread. then it's good play.

the only offwagon i confidently TR is Hayasaka. let me see if i can remember what my other reads this game actually are.

I GOT A BIG BUTTON

wait, i actually think it's a bad idea if you do that because obviously whoever you gladiate goes down unless you gladiate someone really towny or cool, in which case we probably just have a tvt gladiate.

@KD are you saying that you tr NM?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Amy, @KD , why are you encouraging gladiate over a regular execution? I agree with Tris that it’s suboptimal unless you have a wagon with excessive resistance and yeah, don’t like either’s reaction to the gladiate.

~M

because Hayasaka claimed a mechanical benefit to using the gladiate.

and no, i don't TR NM. my post about not gladiating immediately is because i think it will rob the day of meaningful information. ideally the gladiate comes at a time where the elim for the day is already set.

@Hya, is there a definitive advantage to gladiating closer to deadline > a regular execute?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Why are you specifying in an “out of game sort of way”? But I do buy that I mistook that for sarcasm.

I think DnD were far more scummier than Pepper was yesterday, so not sure if how I feel about this answer.

because Amy's response didn't really effect my read. it's endearing in an out of game sort of way because it was an out of game feeling.

on Pepper: not my only SR, but was my preferred. however, almost assuredly town given the vengeful claim. it's almost moot because as someone said, the correct play is to elim the vengeful anyway.

Why is that the correct play if you’re convinced he’s now town?

Also, I don’t think it necessarily proves anything. I’ve also seen vengeful scum roles as well. If he’s town, it’s his attitude about being executed that is may be possibly town indicative. The claim itself is NAI atp.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

the posts you picked to question me on fit with my understanding of you as a player and how you solve, and i could see why you were asking about them. that and i already had you as a good TR from day 1. i should probably also take D&D into account here thought truthfully i hadn't factored it into the read yet.

as for FL, he

is

probably town but i cannot shake this feeling that he's performing for someone. but the fact that i find it so hard to trust him is actually also a towntell, maybe.

also, what i mean by "scum me should have been prepared for D&D's scumflip" is that i didn't do anything to save D&D or condemn them for towncred, i just let the wagon happen.

This is true but then no one other than obviously DnD actually did seem opposed. So scum either chose to just let them die or bus, so unfortunately that isn’t necessarily clearing.

I know I don’t want to execute Gamma, fish, hya, FL, jjh, so that leaves you, Tris, Amy, Pepper, NM. So who do you think is scum from that group? If you don’t want to execute Amy and now think Pepper’s town, that leaves just Tris, NM and you haven’t expressed any sr on Tris afaik,

So who is scum?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

town: VMP, Hayasaka
towny: Gamma, tris, Fish
vengeful town: Pepper
Flavor Leaf tier: FL

leftovers: NM, Amy, jjh

jjh probably deserves to be higher but i've done zero real examination of the slot.

Okay, you’ve answered that.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm only convinced he's town because elimming him is the correct play. assuming scum is aware of that, claiming vengeful is just a shortcut to Pepper being eliminated.

if i were to say the claim makes him town and therefore we should elim someone else, then the claim no longer makes him town because i've just given reason for scum to make the claim.

So, you think we should either execute/Hya gladiate Pepper and have him venge NM/Amy/jjh, correct?

I wouldn’t support jjh. Not opposed to NM. If Amy flips scum, than Tris is probably spewed town from that, since extremely unlikely to have an SvS hood and obviously vice-versa.

@Amy, can we get a current readslist please?

And what is your current read on Tris?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Just re-ISO’d DnD for the impteenth time and NM, Pepper and Amy are literally the only slots they never directly interacted with.

DnD was hard tr Amy until KD wasn’t. BEF/FL’s with DnD interactions definitely don’t read partnery.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@Amy, do you have any other games - preferably both a towngame and a scumgame I could look at?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Still think Amy is town btw

Who is currently in your PoE other than NM obviously?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I'm the jester

Vengeful townie

we can potentially go Not Mafia

Porque no los dos?

917 doesn’t look jestery.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i was under the impression this wasn't a bastard game.

eliminating Pepper to hit NM still seems like the ideal outcome of this day to me.

I’m not quite sure about this but I think only if it actually ends the game.

gonna take enough rain checks to open up a rain bank this game

might have time to post semi-seriously tomorrow

mostly agree with KD re: we should probably dunk DrP to kill N_M

Only if you think he’s actually scum, otherwise no.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I support the DP venge on NM.

However, I would rather do a straight fade on NM at this point in the game.

I'll vote NM right now but if I'll let DP decide his own fate and join if he requests.

VOTE: not mafia

He did say something about having “a cool night action” so I guess he would know the answer to that but yeah, I don’t understand why executing a slot we think is town - especially if they could possibly have a possibly useful NA is in town’s best interests, so I agree.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Doctor Pepper

Don't venge me

This sounds really persuasive.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@KD, @Ampharos, why isn’t it concerning either of you that your strongest scumread is voting identically to you?

@Amy, any particular reasons you continue to ignore every single question I keep asking you?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

do it no balls

i have no idea

yes. unless you gladiate a player i don't townread. then it's good play.

the only offwagon i confidently TR is Hayasaka. let me see if i can remember what my other reads this game actually are.

Hmm, I guess I missed those.

@Amy, @KD , why are you encouraging gladiate over a regular execution? I agree with Tris that it’s suboptimal unless you have a wagon with excessive resistance and yeah, don’t like either’s reaction to the gladiate.

~M

i'm only convinced he's town because elimming him is the correct play. assuming scum is aware of that, claiming vengeful is just a shortcut to Pepper being eliminated.

if i were to say the claim makes him town and therefore we should elim someone else, then the claim no longer makes him town because i've just given reason for scum to make the claim.

So, you think we should either execute/Hya gladiate Pepper and have him venge NM/Amy/jjh, correct?

I wouldn’t support jjh. Not opposed to NM. If Amy flips scum, than Tris is probably spewed town from that, since extremely unlikely to have an SvS hood and obviously vice-versa.

@Amy, can we get a current readslist please?

And what is your current read on Tris?

~M

@Amy, do you have any other games - preferably both a towngame and a scumgame I could look at?

~M

@KD, @Ampharos, why isn’t it concerning either of you that your strongest scumread is voting identically to you?

@Amy, any particular reasons you continue to ignore every single question I keep asking you?

~M

@Amy

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Amy

I will probably switch to NM later but I’m not okay with her continuing to dodge all of my questions, so maybe she will find this to be more persuasive.

If Pepper’s NA is more helpful to town than the venge, than I’m not in favour of voting there.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

do it no balls

i have no idea

yes. unless you gladiate a player i don't townread. then it's good play.

the only offwagon i confidently TR is Hayasaka. let me see if i can remember what my other reads this game actually are.

Hmm, I guess I missed those.

@Amy, @KD , why are you encouraging gladiate over a regular execution? I agree with Tris that it’s suboptimal unless you have a wagon with excessive resistance and yeah, don’t like either’s reaction to the gladiate.

~M

i'm only convinced he's town because elimming him is the correct play. assuming scum is aware of that, claiming vengeful is just a shortcut to Pepper being eliminated.

if i were to say the claim makes him town and therefore we should elim someone else, then the claim no longer makes him town because i've just given reason for scum to make the claim.

So, you think we should either execute/Hya gladiate Pepper and have him venge NM/Amy/jjh, correct?

I wouldn’t support jjh. Not opposed to NM. If Amy flips scum, than Tris is probably spewed town from that, since extremely unlikely to have an SvS hood and obviously vice-versa.

@Amy, can we get a current readslist please?

And what is your current read on Tris?

~M

@Amy, do you have any other games - preferably both a towngame and a scumgame I could look at?

~M

@KD, @Ampharos, why isn’t it concerning either of you that your strongest scumread is voting identically to you?

@Amy, any particular reasons you continue to ignore every single question I keep asking you?

~M

@Amy

~M

One more question @Amy, which you will probably continue to ignore and think I probably won’t notice is:

Why do you have absolutely no reaction whatsoever to either Tris voting you or FL sr you?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Yeah, I don’t really remember how he is as a player, but if he’s scum, he’s played with his posts well today.

However, I don’t think that it is impossible by any means for him to still be scum, but I’m not like sold on going him, but the vengeful townie claim did exactly what it was supposed to do if he is scum.

I can see scum be a little more hesitant into letting DrP be killed today, so scum points for Kamane/Tris in that regards.

You keep pushing KD, why is that?

Cuz i think they have a chance at being scum moreso than the others.

I feel like I’ve answered this multiple times, between his and ampharo

KD isn’t dodging any of my questions, so I lean Amy > KD rn.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Amy

I will probably switch to NM later but I’m not okay with her continuing to dodge all of my questions, so maybe she will find this to be more persuasive.

If Pepper’s NA is more helpful to town than the venge, than I’m not in favour of voting there.

~M

Is she continues to just pop into the thread without satisfactorily answering my questions, I might keep my vote on her.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Any chance DrP is a jester?

Why do you think this?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Any chance DrP is a jester?

Why do you think this?

~M

Pooky got me thinking about possibility of a jester in this game, and Gamma said they are also Devil, which is a flipped flavor. Full disclosure, I am the Fool, and I'm not jester, so before I was thinking it wasn't possible. What if DrP is vengeful townie claiming to win here. I doubt it will end game, but seems sus.

But he keeps talking about having this cool night action which would make people not want to execute him. Yes, I would think if you having the Fool card and not being jester, it’s probably unlikely unless my scum doppelgänger theory would extend to that - there possibly being a jester in this game.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I am gladiating later tonight if I see no objections.
On one hand I don't have the proper time to put into this game.
On the other hand I don't view my actions as changing.

While I have no reason to not to sr NM and of course a scumflip is a scumflip and always good. if you think Amy could also be scum, then that would have the added benefit of very likely spewing Tris town and maybe possibly KD as well and if Amy continues to make these wolfy looking pop ins without making any attempt to satisfactorily answer my questions, meaningfully attempt to sort Tris or engage with her in their PT, then you might want to seriously consider which of their flips helps advance the gamestate the most, so I’m advocating we wait for Amy to respond to these things before you make that decision.

~Mars

Crap

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

let me rework that readslist

==strong v==
Hayasaka
VMP

==weaker v==
jjh
BEF
Gamma

==weakest v==
tris
Flavor Leaf

==scumlean via PoE==
KD

==kill this==
Not_Mafia

I really appreciate you answering my questions. I ISO’d the two MU games because I really couldn’t figure out how to ISO you on the other one. You really don’t sound like either game tbh but you were extremely hard hitting and solvey in your towngame which I really haven’t seen very much of until these recent posts and I’m not sure I’m quite picking up the degree of conviction from that game.

Anyway, why is Tris in your weakest category now? What has she done other than vote you to change your read on her? And didn’t you earlier say that you interpreted DnD’s noticable interest in FL’s Tris read as pointing to him town over Tris scum, yet now you have both of them in your weakest category?

I would also like to know why you have jjh higher than both Gamma and BEF.

Thanks.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

if i'm lazy and lock in a scumread on KD i arrive at a team of N_M/KD and... probably one of tris/BEF. of all the people in the middle 2 tiers, they're probably the ones with the weakest/laziest reasons to be there? lots of gut impressions, not a ton of empirical analysis

BEF? You had him 4th on your readslist? And when did Tris plummet from being “obvious villager” to your PoE and now FL isn’t even in there. That literally happened in back to back posts.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i have thoughts on tris but ask me again tomorrow

Count on it.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Can we conftown Amp after those series of posts? I tried to find something scummy and came up with zilch.

Am I the only one who noticed the unexplained change in her reads from 1046 - 1047?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

especially considering you should know that my scum game "solving" is far more genuine than my town solving is, if only because the style I choose to play as scum looks more like stereotypical solving than when I am town, and I really don't care if people see my solving as genuine or not. Post game, it will be proved to be completely genuine.

I beg to diffah. I definitely see you solving here, where as in PA, you were being scummy af and coming up with bizarre reasons as to why there was scum on your wagon.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

13p role madness, if balanced well, should almost always be in the ballpark of 9 town 4 nontown, imo; you can make an argument that i should have specified "nontown" to avoid counting out the existence of 3rd parties but like. whatever.

i can't even fathom what possible benefit scum!me could get from trying to OVERrepresent the number of wolves in the game, unless she were trying to widen the PoE - and i think the absolute dearth of true scumreads i have sort of disproves that line of thinking

if anything, i've seen wolves UNDERrepresent antitown numbers to breed complacency, but assuming the reverse is kinda nonsense when the entire rest of my play runs counter to that

It’s usually 10:3 in most games though. Of course there obviously can be exceptions but I view 10:4 as too scumsided in general.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

damn it Auro

I hate it when you post exactly what I wanna hear.

It’s still Nancy.

~M

Auro is Pluto.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i am considering claiming here.

also, i won't be around today after all. i'm not feeling well. that has a bit to do why i'm considering the claim.

FL, your read on us makes sense to me.

That reminds me. @Amy, can you explain exactly why I’m your second top town? To be clear, I don’t take issue with that but getting a reason that makes both logical sense and that I can see as coming from a townie mindset, would be extremely helpful.

Why am I asking you thins in a response to KD post? Well, I really liked the specific reason they gave for that read. Their answer was very specific and had depth. Rather an unusual read to make if they were just looking to pocket me.

So @Amy, please humour me with your reasons so I can compare and contrast the two.

Thanks.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Oi, I thought Nancy was Venus, Auro was Mars, and Shiro was Pluto this whole time

That’s pretty hilarious. Especially confusing my posting with Shiro and also considering that me and Shiro hydra’d in two of your games.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

For what it’s worth, I hate it less when Nancy says exactly what I want to hear.

It’s kinda funny, though, while reading those posts, I was thinking “Wow, Auro and Nancy really have started to sound like each other. Auro’s posts feel just like Nancy’s.”

I’m sure Auro will get a good laugh out of this.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Also, been digesting for a minute now, my BEF paranoia has completely went away if you noticed him at the top of my reads list. His seeing Ampharos as townie then going “yeah, it went away with 1053” kinda just screams town to me. Idk if it did when I first read it, but it’s what I’m thinking.

BEF as well as Gamma have been my most confident reads for awhile now. I see his point wrt 1053, it reads as weirdly self-conscious. Amy is arguably one of the most charasmatic players ever I’ve ever played with and I’m concerned that people are tr her based primarily on a likability. It’s a helluva a lot easier to sr a DnD because they were both uncharasmatic as well as over the top scummy. KD otoh, comes across as much more sincere but (in this game for some reason) not extremely charasmatic, so I can see them being easy misexecutebait for that reason alone.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

the posts you picked to question me on fit with my understanding of you as a player and how you solve, and i could see why you were asking about them

. that and i already had you as a good TR from day 1. i should probably also take D&D into account here thought truthfully i hadn't factored it into the read yet.

as for FL, he

is

probably town but i cannot shake this feeling that he's performing for someone. but the fact that i find it so hard to trust him is actually also a towntell, maybe.

also, what i mean by "scum me should have been prepared for D&D's scumflip" is that i didn't do anything to save D&D or condemn them for towncred, i just let the wagon happen.[/quote]

The bolded is what makes me think they’re town.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

I’m tinfoil looking into a Kamane-Ampharos pairing

is it

that

tinfoil, FL?

pedit: apparently my interactions with D&D were bad. i can sort of see it from the outsider's perspective, but i trust FL about as far as i could throw him.

i don't like his outward paranoia about being wrong here.

the argument i'm scum with D&D i think ignores that i should have been prepared for that scumflip.

Mars's suspicion i buy more, especially with what she decided to question. i'm wondering what her opinion is on my response.

You’re tr my suspicion on you more than FL’s? Wrt the bolded, what don’t you like about it? Can you elaborate on that?

But we can’t possibly know that was the case right? You’re asking us to take your word for that.

Can you make a current readslist with explanations for those reads? I think that would be super helpful.

Thanks.

~Mars

the posts you picked to question me on fit with my understanding of you as a player and how you solve, and i could see why you were asking about them

. that and i already had you as a good TR from day 1. i should probably also take D&D into account here thought truthfully i hadn't factored it into the read yet.

as for FL, he

is

probably town but i cannot shake this feeling that he's performing for someone. but the fact that i find it so hard to trust him is actually also a towntell, maybe.

also, what i mean by "scum me should have been prepared for D&D's scumflip" is that i didn't do anything to save D&D or condemn them for towncred, i just let the wagon happen. ~KD

The bolded is what makes me think they’re town.

~M

[/quote]

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm currently looking at a pool of {Amy, not_mafia, drP, and maybe jjh}

could Amy and not_mafia be together? amy has been pushing n_m, which seems dangerous at this point if they're mafia. maybe it is dr pepper. or i'm fooled somewhere else (or jjh)

NM isn’t doing anything to advance the game and therefore if he’s scum and higher than rand chance he is, I think whomever his buddy is if true would probably be bussing him here.

My main issue with NM venge isn’t that I tr him but it provides no info but I’m not opposed to it either.

I’m less sure on Amy because of her recent posts but I’m currently tr everyone else in the game more than her.

~M

Fuck

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Oi, I thought Nancy was Venus, Auro was Mars, and Shiro was Pluto this whole time

somehow i thought venus was supposed to be nancy as well. i'm not sure why we both got this wrong in the same way

Shiro and me already have a Venus and Mars hydra so it’s really funny that he thought Auro was anything other than Pluto.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm currently looking at a pool of {Amy, not_mafia, drP, and maybe jjh}

could Amy and not_mafia be together? amy has been pushing n_m, which seems dangerous at this point if they're mafia. maybe it is dr pepper. or i'm fooled somewhere else (or jjh)

NM isn’t doing anything to advance the game and therefore if he’s scum and higher than rand chance he is, I think whomever his buddy is if true would probably be bussing him here.

My main issue with NM venge isn’t that I tr him but it provides no info but I’m not opposed to it either.

I’m less sure on Amy because of her recent posts but I’m currently tr everyone else in the game more than her.

~M

huh? i was under the impression that you didn't like her most recent posts based on your reactions to them.

I like them better then what she’s been doing for most of the game, which was seeming to be avoiding the game. I see contradictions like in 1046 and 1047 which I’ve already mentioned. Amy is still my weakest read but I felt more confident on her slot yesterday. Venus and Pluto are tr her but Idk, because I tr everyone except NM more. I know, sorry this isn’t as helpful as I would like.

Have you and her managed to have any meaningful convos in your PT?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Amy, why do you feel detached from the thread?

Yeah, that’s also kind of it. I’m not at all familiar with her playstyle at all but I do feel a kind of lack of connectedness, so I should clarify. I don’t like what looks like contradictions between 1046 and 1047 but she’s actually participating more than continuing to say she’s too busy to engage the game like she’s been doing for most of it. So I feel slightly better about her but not enough to significantly change my read on her.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

@Amy, why are you avoiding your hood with Tris? And you still haven’t explained the reason for your downgraded read on her.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm currently looking at a pool of {Amy, not_mafia, drP, and maybe jjh}

could Amy and not_mafia be together? amy has been pushing n_m, which seems dangerous at this point if they're mafia. maybe it is dr pepper. or i'm fooled somewhere else (or jjh)

NM isn’t doing anything to advance the game and therefore if he’s scum and higher than rand chance he is, I think whomever his buddy is if true would probably be bussing him here.

My main issue with NM venge isn’t that I tr him but it provides no info but I’m not opposed to it either.

I’m less sure on Amy because of her recent posts but I’m currently tr everyone else in the game more than her.

~M

the problem i have with that is that it would leave her having to go it alone for the rest of the game. and from a position where she's under scrutiny

Yes that is possible but it’s also possible for scum to want to bus their deadweight buddies if that is the case. I’ve seen more than a few games where scum has bussed their entire team. That’s the main problem with the NM slot, no player in the game looks connected to him in any way but nothing he’s doing is town indicative either.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i mean, i haven't really been using it myself either. i have a hard time knowing what i should post in there that it wouldn't be better just to post in here

I don’t know what to tell you. If I had a hood with let’s say BEF or Gamma, I’d be saying plenty but if I didn’t feel confident tr them, I’d probably be extremely guarded.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i'm currently looking at a pool of {Amy, not_mafia, drP, and maybe jjh}

could Amy and not_mafia be together? amy has been pushing n_m, which seems dangerous at this point if they're mafia. maybe it is dr pepper. or i'm fooled somewhere else (or jjh)

NM isn’t doing anything to advance the game and therefore if he’s scum and higher than rand chance he is, I think whomever his buddy is if true would probably be bussing him here.

My main issue with NM venge isn’t that I tr him but it provides no info but I’m not opposed to it either.

I’m less sure on Amy because of her recent posts but I’m currently tr everyone else in the game more than her.

~M

the problem i have with that is that it would leave her having to go it alone for the rest of the game. and from a position where she's under scrutiny

Yes that is possible but it’s also possible for scum to want to bus their deadweight buddies if that is the case. I’ve seen more than a few games where scum has bussed their entire team. That’s the main problem with the NM slot, no player in the game looks connected to him in any way but nothing he’s doing is town indicative either.

~M

If you’re basing your reads strictly based off of associatives, no player in the game has any with NM but he’s not done anything townie, so how do you parse that?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

i'm currently looking at a pool of {Amy, not_mafia, drP, and maybe jjh}

could Amy and not_mafia be together? amy has been pushing n_m, which seems dangerous at this point if they're mafia. maybe it is dr pepper. or i'm fooled somewhere else (or jjh)

NM isn’t doing anything to advance the game and therefore if he’s scum and higher than rand chance he is, I think whomever his buddy is if true would probably be bussing him here.

My main issue with NM venge isn’t that I tr him but it provides no info but I’m not opposed to it either.

I’m less sure on Amy because of her recent posts but I’m currently tr everyone else in the game more than her.

~M

the problem i have with that is that it would leave her having to go it alone for the rest of the game. and from a position where she's under scrutiny

Yes that is possible but it’s also possible for scum to want to bus their deadweight buddies if that is the case. I’ve seen more than a few games where scum has bussed their entire team. That’s the main problem with the NM slot, no player in the game looks connected to him in any way but nothing he’s doing is town indicative either.

~M

If you’re basing your reads strictly based off of associatives, no player in the game has any with NM but he’s not done anything townie, so how do you parse that?

~M

i'm not basing my reads strictly based on associatives. i'm just thinking about them a little bit.

it does actually bother me that no one is really pushing away from not mafia. actually maybe Flavor Leaf is doing that subtly. What if Flavor Leaf/Not Mafia? it could explain the bus the other day actually. because if Amy gladiates onto not_mafia, that's still a mafia dead, but that way he gets towncred.

I think scum!FL would be more likely to bus NM here. According to Auro in one of his recent scumgames he bussed his entire team, so him being reluctant on NM is probably town indicative. “Amy gladiating into NM”? How does FL get towncred here or am I missing something?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Also, if NM and I were on a scum team together, good game, it was over before it started.

Auro said if he were scum, he would bus NM here oh and he trs you for mixing up our names.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Tris/Jjh could be the team

You think NM is town then?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

Tris/Jjh could be the team

You think NM is town then?

~M

Also this is an annoying comment as well because I’ve given multiple team suggestions and thoughts on stuff.

I brought up earlier one of DrP/NM with one of Kamane/Ampharos.

I played with the idea of KD/Ampharos team.

And also Jjh/Tris, both players that I have also stated were in my POE.

It’s Day 2, I’ll be able to solidify reads more and what I feel is more likely with more stuff in the game.

Like, I’m pretty sure I’ve brought all this up, so it’s annoying when people try and nitpick one little thing out of my comments like this and that tris comment.

The answer to the questions have been there, and I’m straight up willing to drop certain reasonings on players for believing my reads list is at least decently accurate on top of the fact that I have multiple reasons I find solid for almost every player in the game, that even if I still think that leans towards one way or another, I will actively not use certain aspects in cases if I feel that it’s just gonna be a hold up issue, like the “is it a scum joke?” Line.

I will literally take that away from my reasonings for leaning scum on Ampharos because by no means is that a main reason for the read, it’s just a sprinkle. The ice cream sundae is still there, I can’t see the bottom flavor yet, though. Haven’t eaten enough of it yet.

I’m casually annoyed, not seriously annoyed, if that makes sense.

Like I don’t mind that I’m annoyed, but I’mma be obnoxious back to the obnoxiousness, and that’s just mafia

I think you misinterpreted my post, I wasn’t “nitpicking” at you in the slightest. I was trying to get your input on a very important decision we need to make. Sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar.

~Mars

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I think the notion that individual slots are special and need to lynch the power wolf while they are still alive is a plague to this game.
I think we should always just kill Not_Mafia here unless you truly believe someone is more likely to be scum.

The game obviously won’t end with his flip though, so disagree.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I think the notion that individual slots are special and need to lynch the power wolf while they are still alive is a plague to this game.
I think we should always just kill Not_Mafia here unless you truly believe someone is more likely to be scum.

Do you mean whom we chose for the venge today? because the game obviously won’t end with his flip though regardless, so it’s important to consider that.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

I think the notion that individual slots are special and need to lynch the power wolf while they are still alive is a plague to this game.
I think we should always just kill Not_Mafia here unless you truly believe someone is more likely to be scum.

The game obviously won’t end with his flip though, so disagree.

~M

I think the notion that individual slots are special and need to lynch the power wolf while they are still alive is a plague to this game.
I think we should always just kill Not_Mafia here unless you truly believe someone is more likely to be scum.

Do you mean whom we chose for the venge today? because the game obviously won’t end with his flip though regardless, so it’s important to consider that.

~M

Somehow, this turned into a double post.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

BEF even commented about how they changed their mind when he said their 1053 or whatever post it was ruined it

1053 just seems like a joke to me?????

The timing was way off for me to take it as just a joke.

Yeah, it was an odd flex.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Oi, I thought Nancy was Venus, Auro was Mars, and Shiro was Pluto this whole time

Nope

Shiro and Nancy also had one with Krazy where they had the same names but Krazy was Mercury

Sailor Senshi. Shiro’s dream is to have an entire Sailor hydra which would be 9 people and if we throw in TM, that would make it 10, no joke.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

VOTE: Doctor Pepper

Don't venge me

Are you scum?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I personally think the Not Mafia kill is kinda lazy, and we could have just faded him to begin with if that were the case.

Shooting in Ampharos/KD gives more info and just as likely to hit scum, really

I don’t think KD is scum though.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Stop trying to make things that aren't things be things

Flavor Fever’s real, been a thing for years.

I can make fetch happen

Believe it

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Spoiler:

The fact that I have a fairly weak resistance appearing should be enough to see that NM and I aren’t scum together. There’s a very real possibility that NM gets vengekilled, and if that happens and he did flip scum, scum me would be screwed. I would arguably say a scumNM flip screws me, which kinda sucks, but at the end of the day, if he’s scum, that’s 2 scum dead, I have faith town could find the last one even if I’m misfaded.

Essentially, as scum with NM, I’d have to hard defend him here.

I also am a confirmed double voter, DND wagon doesn’t go through if I were scum this game. It just doesn’t.

Hmm, I'll concede the first. I've pretty much been ignoring all the "FL would bus in this situation" stuff because you're purposefully erratic in whether or not you bus, but that's more of a developed argument,

Second point isn't really worth anything though

For what it’s worth, I don’t think JJH/Not Mafia are a team.

Ampharos/Not Mafia - hmm, idk if this one makes that much sense either based on the day phase here today.
Ampharos/JJH - high equity, but maybe too high? It still makes a lot of sense right now.
Ampharos/KD - this is a thing would require them to have chosen to scum theatre, it’s possible. KD answers really well to things.
JJH/Tris - after thinking about it, this has less equity, but i think individually they can be scum. JJH is fighting to get NM killed hard, so if this was the team, idk why they wouldn’t just coast more.

Tris/Ampharos - I kinda like this. They have complex reads on each other, but it looks a little forced now that I’m thinking about it. Like they’ve been positioning each other very specifically.

JJH/KD - JJH pushing NM like this would get heat on myself and Ampharos for a later day, and KD gets to hold on to the Ampharos vs KD for a bit to avoid deep suspicion. This is a high possibility.
Tris/KD - I’d have to think about this more, but i don’t think there’s anything that says this can’t be it, however, i don’t really have any sort of case for this.
KD/NM - KD’s timing of posts and the way the DnD wagon happened without defense are the biggest ones for this. KD also seems to want Ampharos dead here, so in this situation, KD would want to kill Ampharos here just to survive. I don’t think this scum team survives this game ever.

I guess utility Gamma Emerald can technically fill the role of any of these, but I’ll look into that later. There’s been enough things in the game by Gamma for me to read them as town, but i have a weakness to getting pocketed by players I’ve played closely with a lot.

That’s where I’m at.

Wrt the bolded, you think the hood could possibly be fake then? Because I just don’t see an SvS hood otherwise.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

If I call you town here, I know I'm wrong on at least 1 townread. NM being town would be an additional two things wrong, because one of my TRs would be wrong as well as that I actually think NM is scum here

I don't think I'm wrong on 3 things here

Well, think about it. If you’re wrong on 3 things here, that’s definitely because scum would have a focus on you to mess around so you don’t catch them. If I were scum here, I’d have been playing in a way to specifically watch out for you. Do you disagree with this? And do you think I have done that?

Who do you know best in this game?

Nah, if I'm wrong it's because I haven't been engaged enough with the game

I think my half assed attitude from the last game I played carried over somewhat, and DnD flipping scum didn't exactly make me think this wasn't working


In this game, I think you're probably the person I've played with most, excluding Gamma who I've never interacted with all that much despite being in a fair few games. Let's also steer clear of unmasking Kaname Date.

Scum is unlikely to be catering anything particularly to me, especially considering recent changes in my playstyle and the number of players unfamiliar with me. Also of note is that I didn't get NKed. I think following this conversation you'll have a place in my townreads, but that means I need to revisit some of the other ones.

I reckon Pooky kill hard clears Hayasaka, not that that's big news

I think jjh is town.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i guess i want HURT: NM. Only other i would consider right now is Amy, but she needs more talking with.

on that note, i still want to hear from jjh about his townread of Amy, especially in relation to before her recent posts. cause i want to know why he was townreading her at the time.

Yeah, it’s definitely between those two for me. I like jjh mindmelding with me on KD. Why does scum!KD bother to give a nuanced read on me, especially when it wasn’t even asked for?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

re: whatever question VMP asked me about my detatchment:

it's p much entirely due to the limited time i've had to engage with this game. it's hard to truly feel plugged in when i'm checking in like once/twice a day

Pepper doesn’t feel detached though and that was pre-claim.

Basically prior to yesterday, it felt like you we’re using business to avoid meaningfully engaging with the game. As an experienced Mafia player, you should obviously know that business is scum’s favourite word and let’s them get away with a multitude of things. True people do have active lives and can have perfectly valid reasons for not being particularly engaged with a game but it’s kind of annoying that you continue to harp on this.


~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

i continue to harp on it because I'm legitimately annoyed by it

(and also because i keep getting asked about it)

Fine but that isn’t getting you any townpoints. Look, yesderday I was pushing both you and KD hard. KD never ever made any excuses but instead did towny things. Had they just said I’m annoyed and I think you’re being unfair to me, I’d still be pushing them.

So tell me why am I one of your top towns? Hell, explain your reads on ANYONE, just please stop with the I’m so annoyed thing, it really isn’t helping.

Like I have mentioned on more than one occasion that you clearly contradicted yourself between posts 1046 and 1047. Why wasn’t that literally the first thing you addressed when you began posting today? Why does it continue to feel like I’m pulling teeth to get my questions answered? You and NM are literally the only slots to continue to ignore my questions. Everyone else has responded to them at the first opportunity.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

where did the blush come from?

That must have happened when I bolded that part of FL’s post.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

Also @Amy, that game you referenced. Why? You don’t even have to tell me you were town in that game, just reading a few posts, makes that beyond obvious and I don’t at all see how that game and THIS one are even remotely similar.

You were making multiple nuanced reads with strong convictions, so reading your ISO from that game just highlights to me the clear differences.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

In General

:

Town: I’m legit busy, states specific timeline (as Pepper did and when it will end).

Also Pepper: understands why that casts suspicion on him and promises to make up for it later.

Scum: uses busyness as an excuse for meaningfully engaging with the game. Gets defensive instead of trying to make up for it.

Also

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Town: doesn’t continue to ignore questions until literally pushed to do so. Makes sincere attempt to respond to questions. While they may mention how busyness/not feeling well etc. has affected them, they don’t usually get defensive about it because they recognize those concerns are completely valid.

In a nutshell, your reaction reads like you somehow expect to be given some sort of pass for these things and there is no legitimate reason for you to expect that. How are we literally expected to distinguish between town!you being annoyed at that vs. scum!you? Regardless of your alignment, that response definitely isn’t town indicative in the slightest.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I mean, for surviving town members, feel free to convince me otherwise.

I just think that an NM venge doesn't do much for town

I don't think NM is town, I think he is NM. This is how he plays regardless of alignment. In our last game together he turned out being a town PR.

Which leads me to this. I have 24 hours from hammer to decide on my venge.

do not hammer me right away

. I will state who I want to venge in thread. I say we give the person a chance to claim and if we still wanna push through, then hammer and I send my venge vote.

HURT: Amy

And sorry Hya, Pepper makes a great deal of sense here. He is clearly obvtown and I think it’s a shame, we have to kill him but I’m damn glad he is clearly thinking and refusing to be complacent.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I mean, for surviving town members, feel free to convince me otherwise.

I just think that an NM venge doesn't do much for town

I don't think NM is town, I think he is NM. This is how he plays regardless of alignment. In our last game together he turned out being a town PR.

Which leads me to this. I have 24 hours from hammer to decide on my venge.

do not hammer me right away

. I will state who I want to venge in thread. I say we give the person a chance to claim and if we still wanna push through, then hammer and I send my venge vote.

HURT: Amy

And sorry Hya, Pepper makes a great deal of sense here. He is clearly obvtown and I think it’s a shame, we have to kill him but I’m damn glad he is clearly thinking and refusing to be complacent.

~M

@Hya, wrt the bolded. what do you think about what Pepper is saying here?

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I mean, for surviving town members, feel free to convince me otherwise.

I just think that an NM venge doesn't do much for town

I don't think NM is town, I think he is NM. This is how he plays regardless of alignment. In our last game together he turned out being a town PR.

Which leads me to this. I have 24 hours from hammer to decide on my venge.

do not hammer me right away

. I will state who I want to venge in thread. I say we give the person a chance to claim and if we still wanna push through, then hammer and I send my venge vote.

HURT: Amy

And sorry Hya, Pepper makes a great deal of sense here. He is clearly obvtown and I think it’s a shame, we have to kill him but I’m damn glad he is clearly thinking and refusing to be complacent.

~M

@Hya, wrt the bolded. what do you think about what Pepper is saying here?

~M

Forgot to bold the other important part of that post.

~M

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I just find N_M will solve, will have high post density.
But will just never explain anything as town.

And I don't particularly take issue with the first 2 lines. I think is actual current lack of presence is incredibly bizarre for him.
From a crowd analysis standpoint he also isn't under much if any pressure which just strikes me as odd for a field that should be full of scum?

Definitely something I hadn’t thought of - do you mean you’d expect a town!NM to be more low hanging fruit-y and that scum would be trying to drive or set up a miselim on him?

- Daenerys

Call me crazy but this completely neutral reaction doesn’t make me auto leap to the conclusion that NM is a lock buddy here.

~M