NY 213 - Game Over!

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: A50

hi old friend, I see you changed your avatar from a duck to a monkey

[Golden Robster]

Just some thoughts while I skimmed through; am not taking any of what I write seriously at this point but just want to put content on the table:

I plan on active lurking through D1 at least. This is a very large game, and my reads are traditionally sub-random in crowded D1s.

Can you explain what sub-random reads means?

How about this, nobody posts anything d1 and we don’t Lynch in case we end up voting a townie

Then we convince the mafia not to kill anyone and we call it a draw

I'm going to call an early SR on this. Some kind of combination of LAMIST and "haha let's do this anti-Town thing as a joke but no really."

You know, I kind of agree with this; not the lamist part but the jokes. It's RVS and it's the phase where people are making jokes and trolling but 52 just feels slightly, if not, a tiny bit forced.

Don't SR this post though because RVS is just an edgy phase in general; don't know many players here and SR'ing due to playstyle in RVS is stupid.

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i mean what they say will vary, but I generally get called out as being scummy very early in the game by at least some of the players. Usually during rvs

A50 and his reads list is actually pretty fcking towny and am liking him as town already; not the reads but the effort he put in to make a pile of collective crap in one post. Don't think scum would put this much effort into something so early on just to draw attention to themselves unless scum A50 has balls of steel.

almost that might be the shittiest attempt at a game starting post I’ve ever seen, I’m sorry

it’s like you’re trying to grasp at straws when, actually, there are no straws

It's RVS; your attempt at jokes seems forced and you're acting like his reads list is serious.

Don't understand?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Bandwagons this early in day 1 seem to me more scummy than town, so thats where I put my vote. Makes it easier to "accidentally" lynch town.

You think JJD has scum motivation?

I've said this before but RVS is just an edgy phase in general; why only JJD? There are others who have jumped on but you don't SR them. Can you explain?

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VOTE: Almost50

Feels like you're setting up a "hey! I tell bad jokes!" crutch to lean on at a later time.

Don't really like this vote that much; feels like the classic 'vote the scummy person' d1 in RVS.

What are your thoughts about A50?

Question: In this setup do we know exactly how many town Vs. how many scum are in the game?

VOTE: Charles510

Why are you voting someone for a question?

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Jarjar is giving me mad newbscum vibes, which is funny since he’s played more here than I have

Y all yall gotta be all vague and shit?

If u wanna shade me then quote the posts, point out what's scummy. These empty reads are trash.

RVS reads at pg 8 are the definition of vague and shit; if someone calls you scummy at this point then it's just vibes and perceived scum motivation.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Wavemode

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Post 143 shows me really disliking his play & post 152 shows him reacting really nastily to being called scum. What are your thoughts on Almost50?

A50 and his reads list is actually pretty fcking towny and am liking him as town already; not the reads but the effort he put in to make a pile of collective crap in one post. Don't think scum would put this much effort into something so early on just to draw attention to themselves

[Golden Robster]

Like sure if he’s the same later on go for it

It’s been like 2 pages though

Don't understand; why is a creature wagon bad?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Osuka

since wavemode isn't engaging me

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Btw, I still think Hopkirk is scum too, but Edo is now my strongest read.

Why though?

Edo has four posts so it's not enough to get a read and hopkirk has actually engaged in the game with posts that seem fine?

[Golden Robster]

what in the fuck

What's wrong with @AA9 #223?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Lalendra person

A50 is obv town here

I agree. this one is town too.

Can you explain this? I don't get it.

Am guessing AA9 thinks A50 is town as well and since whemestar has a similar read, she thinks he's town, no?

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Osuka has managed to be scummy since pregame

True, but doesn't mean he's scum though; want more votes on this wagon to sort him out since his posts feel edgy.

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But what about Myloninja? He doesn't get a tr?

Probably just a passing comment and not her full reads; texcat, why are you voting osuka?

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I have explained it when I voted him. You don't hop on the 2nd leading wagon with "I'm gonna sheep this other person" unless:

A) You're Scum with the player who has the largest wagon on them.
B) You're Scum who want to make sure the two competing wagons are on town, so if one collapses the other gets pushed further.
C) You're hard TRing the person you're sheeping AND trust their reads to be good enough to sheep.

You are free to evaluate the 3 options (or come up with a 4th), but -to me- it looks like 2/3 of the reasons = Edo is Scum. Furthermore .. actually ISO me to get the idea of why pushing me any further for no good reason is more likely to come from Scum.

Or... there could be many other reasons like:

1. Pressuring you with a wagon since he's unsatisfied with how you're acting weird d1.
2. Putting a vote on you because he feels it's the best place currently.
3. Just voting you because he gets scum vibes from you?

etc etc.

You hard SR'ing someone just because they joined your wagon feels super defensive; the leading wagon only has 4 votes (it takes 13 to lynch) and it's only page eight.

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Page 10*

Id you genuinely believe so then Edo's vote in me (to put make my wagon tied with Osuka's) should give you a bit of a pause.

You think Osuka is town then due to:

B) You're Scum who want to make sure the two competing wagons are on town, so if one collapses the other gets pushed further.

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Ny problem is with his stated reasoning of sheeping someone else, thus absolving himself from any wrongdoing aftermath.

There's no "absolving of wrongdoing aftermath" because you haven't flipped yet so why you acting like his motivation is scummy

[Golden Robster]

Okay then, am I supposed to engage you?

Why is JJD giving you newbscum vibes btw?

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Why are you voting Osuka? I had an explanation in my vote post.

Yeah, your reasoning was that his opening post about claiming rolecop smelt like old fish. Not sure what that means but care to comment because if anything, it feels like a shitty reason?

I explained earlier that I wanted to engage him since reads in RVS are usually bad.

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Because I can't wait to make my case after I join the dead thread?? Scum hunting is looking into posts and actions and trying to determine if it's town or scum motivated. Is it not?

Yes but I don't understand how you can call someone scum when they have little to zero content; to me it feels like you're trying to explain a shitty vote with complex reasoning too early on?

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It's not even complex reasoning it just feels unjustified and kind of like bad reasoning

[Golden Robster]

And you haven't responded to the second part: Why assume I have a TR on Osuka but not a SR when I included BOTH possibilities in the same post?

16. Osuka+ (Leaning town. Claiming Scum as scum is too bold a move for him)

almost that might be the shittiest attempt at a game starting post I’ve ever seen, I’m sorry

it’s like you’re trying to grasp at straws when, actually, there are no straws

So you disagree with my TR on you?? GOOD. Replace yourself with one of my proposed scumsters.

?

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I'm fine with the day being me vs him for the lynch. An unofficial gladiator shot here. Vote one of us.

this is what I'm talking about, your SR feels unjustified and then you take it to the extreme just like how you've been acting over the top in RVS

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Tempted to go a few other places (Rob, EDo, Pine, someone whose name I've forgotten).

you should vote me am rearing to have a piece of someone since I've come back

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Ausuka

cause I think osuka is null/leaning town at best

will out reads soonish

[Golden Robster]

yeah am liking osuka for leaning town

can do this

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[Golden Robster]

Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Lalendra, Pine, Srceenplay, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode, WhemeStar,

How can you have TR wavemode and whemestar?

[Golden Robster]

and Screenplay jesus

[Golden Robster]

a50 has been having a breakdown as of page 12. tops my lynch pool, along with aa9 and jarjar.

vote JJD with me; a50 in my town block and aa9 hasn't posted enough real content to ping me

[Golden Robster]

Ahh, I have no idea what to do here.

join JJD wagon of a grand total of one person

[Golden Robster]

okay mylon can be town d1

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Stop u dont scumread me.

what makes you think that

[Golden Robster]

Dunno, I haven’t really grok’d the case there, but people I’m hard-TRing are really gung ho about it.

who are you tr'ing right now

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cuz ur a good player and I think ur town so u should be townreading me

i could be scum manipulating wagons for my own benefit

what does being good and being town have to do with this?

[Golden Robster]

a50 talking nonsense and Osuka being pretty blatant scum

why is osuka blatant scum

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: A50, KK
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Pine

Kind of town

:

Neutral/Undecided

: Charles (N), Ausuka (UD)

Meh

: JJD, Texcat, Hopkirk

Leaning Scum

:

Scum

:

Potential lynches:

JJD, Texcat, Hopkirk

Reads right now; haven't listed everybody because some people only have votes and zero content so not taking this seriously but where I'm at right now

[Golden Robster]

texcat

- you have asked a lot of questions - do you have any conclusions? or just reads.

this

texcat is all questions and zero commitment

just pings me like passive scum acting town with lack of actual followup and zero interest in the questions they're asking in the first place

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UNVOTE: JarJarDrinks

[Golden Robster]

Huh. An unvote (instead of a vote transfer) on someone who is far from lynch implies that you read something that gives you a solid townread of JarJarDrinks. What was it?

don't really townread JJD

a combination of lack of scumreads with actual weight (low-hanging fruit), defensiveness that borders on deflecting and appealing to me when I'm spearheading his wagon

but still thinking right now

[Golden Robster]

I'll sleep on it and get back to you

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It feels like you voted your scum buddy for some distancing then it backfired, now hes yelling at you in scumchat.

throwing shade and painting my unvote as a scummy narrative when I said I'm thinking and re-evaluating?

:s

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: A50, KK
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Pine

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, Dunnstral, Creature, Scioness

Neutral/Undecided

: Lalendra (N), Ausuka (UD), JJD (UD), Android (N)

Meh

: Texcat, Lovebird, Performer

Leaning Scum

: Vaxkiller

Scum

:

Potential lynches:

Vax > Tex > Performer > Lovebird

[Golden Robster]

JarJarDrinks(4) ~ Golden Robster, Myloninja13, Osuka, Vaxkiller

Robster is town. Mafia logic says one or more of these other numbnuts are scum.

vote vaxkiller with me

i think ur town but u acting scummy

[Golden Robster]

You missed me

don't have you because you haven't done anything to enter my radar

[Golden Robster]

After work I want someone to talk to me about this

what are your reads and why do you TR vax

[Golden Robster]

You know one thing I noticed was you stepped up to defend Edosurist and I don’t really see any read on him. Why?

wasn't defending edo but calling out bad and unjustified reasoning; scumreading someone who had less than 5 posts at that point whilst not paying attention to others with similar low activity is hypocritical at best

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My case on GoldenRob is him doing things with no explanations.

hey Vax, maybe it'd be easier to get people to vote for me if u point them to where you explain why u think I'm scum.

where is that again?

Its day 1. I have no reasons!

???

[Golden Robster]

That wasn’t why A50 went after him?

no

you don't understand what I'm trying to convey right now

edo slot didn't have enough content for me to read and A50 SR edo when he had little to zero content; put two and two together and you can see why I think A50's read was shit

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Gfdi
A50 felt confident enough in his read based on that one post
Does that make it easier for you to comprehend?

comprehend what?

you started off asking why i defended the edo slot and I replied I didn't

[Golden Robster]

why are you arguing useless pedantics about your own slot that you replaced into

[Golden Robster]

i still think you're town but some of your questions feel pretty useless gamma; might just be a playstyle thing but yeah

[Golden Robster]

what sense does this make?

jjd acting scummy but I can see it coming from town for now?

[Golden Robster]

I could get behind a JJD Lynch. Convince me on rampage though? I'm not seeing it.

vote vax

iso and see if your tr him?

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: A50, KK, Pine
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Creature

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, Dunnstral, Scioness, Android

Neutral/Undecided

: Lalendra (N), Lovebird (dave) (UD), Whemestar (N), Wavemode (N), Rampage (N), Mylon (N)

Meh

: Texcat, JJD, ETL, Lalendra

Leaning Scum

: Performer, Vax

Scum

:

[Golden Robster]

have lalendra in neutral and meh just because she is somewhere inbetween

jjd fell back to scum pile just because I seriously SR him; the only thing thats stopping me is some content that I saw but I'll wait a bit before outing my reasoning

performer is scummy in general but I'm attributing it to his playstyle right now vs. actual scum motivation

[Golden Robster]

would rather have a vax wagon right now just because I think it's a decent wagon with a probable scum flip

my two cents

[Golden Robster]

Town

:

Leaning Town

: A50, KK, Pine
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Creature

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, Dunnstral, Scioness, Android, Ausuka

Neutral/Undecided

: Lalendra (N) (kind of meh), Lovebird (dave) (UD), Whemestar (N), Wavemode (N), Rampage (N), Mylon (N), FL (N)

Meh

: Texcat, JJD, ETL,

Leaning Scum

: Performer (could be scum or playstyle pinging), Vax

Scum

:

Lynches: Vax > Performer > Tex > ETL

[Golden Robster]

only have four days on the deadline and it probably won't happen

[Golden Robster]

re-read and forgot to include gamma; can put him in semi-leaning town just because he seems town-motivated

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scum have an advantage we don't - they can coordinate their efforts in private. i think you're wrong in believing the scum team is completely incapable of organizing where to lynch. they have day chat. unless you believe osuka is not only a rogue within his team but so expendable that they don't even care about losing him, occams razor says it's probably more likely that scum don't have a counterwagon because they don't need one.

i think you're spinning a narrative to fit your read on osuka and you should probably evaluate that. unless you're scum in which case this refusal to understand logic makes more sense.

I like this and agree

ETL bumped up to town

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Town

:

Leaning Town

: A50, KK, Pine
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Creature

Kind of town

: Hopkirk, Dunnstral, Scioness, Android, Ausukam, ETL

Neutral/Undecided

: Lalendra (N) (kind of meh), Lovebird (dave) (UD), Whemestar (N), Wavemode (N), Rampage (N), Mylon (N), FL (UD), AA9 (N)

Meh

: Texcat, JJD,

Leaning Scum

: Performer (could be scum or playstyle pinging), Vax

Scum

:

Lynches: Vax > Performer > Tex

[Golden Robster]

I don't think closely reading all of it is possible in the available time. Skimming perhaps...
Other than the obvious (current wagon and the votes therein) any suggestions on what is important to read / pointers to important events?

vote vax

if you cant do vax do performer

if you cant do performer do texcat

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two of my scumreads are on the osuka wagon (and another was just on it)

people pushing him with shitty agendas feel more scummy than vs. him reacting defensively

[Golden Robster]

people also seem to want vax dead. dunno why

the only person pushing vax seriously right now is me at best with gamma in behind

people saying they could do a vax lynch but am the only one whose actually advocating and putting money where my mouth is

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How much of your vax read involves vax's position on you?

would be lying if I said zero but my read on him is a combination of reasons mainly include

aggressiveness that doesn't feel town-motivated, a bad omgus on me after calling him out for painting my unvote on JJD as a scummy narrative when I gave justified reasons and defensiveness that borders on only reacting to votes on him rather than trying to solve this game

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actually I think that's my problem with some players in this game

too many people care about their own appearance and firmly defending themselves as pro-town rather than trying to solve this game and convincing others through good content

isn't it normal to be scumread?

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outing and thinning a 3p hood just because you SR someone in that hood is bad

why are you super invested into the idea that wavemode is scum

effort isn't alignment-indicative but he's literally done nothing and 3p hood could be town 3p hood

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isn't it normal to be scumread?

Lol only if you're scum, or lynchbaity because of play style. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's normal.

pretty sure it's normal to be scumread; nobody will read your perfectly and vice-versa and then add in suspicions and doubt and you have mafia pretty much summed it

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@Robster: Why Android town? Agreeing with all of your other townreads

Android 855 and 858 just resonate with my thinking; explained it earlier but jjd posts still feel defensive with lack of town motivation

[Golden Robster]

Town

: Ausuka (conf town) (3p hood)

Leaning Town

: A50, KK, Gamma, Performer (3p hood)
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Osuka, Hopkirk, Lalendra, Pine

Kind of town

: Scioness, Android, ETL, Dunstrall, FL, Wavemode (3p hood)

Neutral/Undecided

: Whemestar (N), Rampage (N), Mylon (N), AA9 (N), Creature (UD)

Meh

: Texcat, JJD, Dave

Leaning Scum

: Vax

Scum

:

[Golden Robster]

lynching within the hood isn't town-oriented play;

why thin the hood d1 when it will become super apparent who scum is regardless of whether we lynch them

mafia will become paranoid about them having power roles apart from the hood and will try and nk them

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ausuka outing as conf town is fine at this point

game feels sloppy with wagons changing so we should consolidate onto one wagon that isn't a player in the 3p hood

said it before and I'll say it again, vax is scum here and I want a wagon on him

[Golden Robster]

why the fck are people still voting players in the hood?

[Golden Robster]

it doesn't matter whether you SR wave or not; lynching in the hood isn't beneficial for town regardless of whether one player has a large boner for his lynch

[Golden Robster]

why thin the hood d1 when it will become super apparent who scum is

[Golden Robster]

ausuka outing as IC makes it super clear that there could be other power roles in the hood which makes them nk worthy from scum pov

why lynch them at our own cost?

[Golden Robster]

vax isn't vig

why would any town out themselves as killing PR this early on without a decent explanation

hardclaims vig with one vote since day 1 deadline is coming to an end to stop wagon from forming

doesn't seem town-motivated and scummy as shit

[Golden Robster]

my fcking god I really want to lynch vax' ass right now but at the same time I don't see scum doing this shit

[Golden Robster]

deadline is coming to an end and not enough time to consolidate enough votes

[Golden Robster]

scum vax doing this kind of play makes the most sense

[Golden Robster]

think the reason im grappling with this kind of scummy shit is because I don't see any town-motivation in his play and his claim

A) why out yourselves as vig d1 when you only had one vote
B) the fact that hardclaiming vig means you are literally painting a target on your forehead (unless bs claim) (and we don't even know what kind of pr scum could have that could counter)

scum-motivation for hardclaiming this kind of role is to survive and stop a wagon from forming

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Vax

[Golden Robster]

Nervous?

About what?

[Golden Robster]

deadline has been extended

[Golden Robster]

it doesn't matter whether you SR wave or not; lynching in the hood isn't beneficial for town regardless of whether one player has a large boner for his lynch

why thin the hood d1 when it will become super apparent who scum is

very ew tbh

I think wheme is great scum equity based on how he entertains stuff. he just lacks the "I want to solve the game" spark in his posts.

think you mixed up wave and wheme again

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Wavemode

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Wavemode

[Golden Robster]

not sure how I feel about this wagon

android posts about JJD are fine and nothing majorly scummy stands out from re-reading

[Golden Robster]

I also reiterate: I do not want to lynch in the hood today. We have PRs and they know what to do. If that hood is actually a masonry (i.e. if all 3 are town) they can help us a LOT. They are also going to be NK'd by scum anyway.

basically this

all of this is my reasoning right now to people who asked me why lynching in the hood is bad

[Golden Robster]

FA catchup is fine and agree with main scumreads except lynching performer and liking vax

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Golden Robster]

k

VOTE: Android

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Android

[Golden Robster]

if this is scum android, I think he would of hardclaimed a PR role instead of VT

Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote andriod over performer by the last half of this wagon - get performer

think the lack of reasoning from people is because this does feel like a policy lynch; nothing from his content stands out as majorly scummy and the only reason most of us are voting between these two wagons is because deadline is approaching

[Golden Robster]

Just a few comments right now:

1. Vax claiming vig and no vig shot
2. Osuka flipped town; more inclined to think scum would of been on osuka wagon earlier

Osuka

(9) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176),

Almost50

(623), JarJarDrinks (535),

Performer

(623), TheRampage (681), Hopkirk (696), Kublai Khan (725)

Looking at Performer wagon and VC

Performer

(13) (HAMMER @ 1849)- EspeciallyTheLies (515), Kublai Khan (957), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229),

Osuka

(1384), ArcAngel9 (1397), PenguinPower (1774), Dunnstral (1782), Andriod18 (1796), Frozen Angel (1814), Creature (1846),

Performer

(1849)

3. Lurkers that joined wagons without giving decent explanation

[Golden Robster]

If both competing wagons from yesterday were on town then it doesn't matter from scum perspective except minute pedantics; both lynches were guaranteed mislynches. If one of the wagons from yesterday was on scum, wavemode or android, then it makes more sense to NK the player whose hard-pushing them.

[Golden Robster]

i thought vax implied he'd shoot wave.

Pretty sure he implied he would shoot me.

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Hopkirk

what would you say if I said I had a guilty on your slot

[Golden Robster]

on what basis is scion hard town

which player are you asking

[Golden Robster]

he means townreads

[Golden Robster]

why you only adding on reads now

feels like wifom before being lynched

[Golden Robster]

if I ask you to hardclaim will you hardclaim

either say yes or no

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

Rolefishing is towny.

role phishing in a straightforward way wouldn't come from scum

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: PP

will out reads soon

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Scioness Saji

[Golden Robster]

Town

: Ausuka (conf town) (3p hood)

Leaning Town

: KK, Gamma, ETL, FA
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: Hopkirk, Dunstrall, Pine
------- (not willing to lynch above)

Kind of town

: Android, Wavemode (3p hood), Lalendra

Neutral/Undecided

: Mylon (UD), PP (UD)

Meh

: JJD, FL, Texcat, AA9, Whemestar

Leaning Scum

: Vax*, Creature, Scioness

Scum

:

[Golden Robster]

vax isn't vig

why would any town out themselves as killing PR this early on without a decent explanation

hardclaims vig with one vote since day 1 deadline is coming to an end to stop wagon from forming

doesn't seem town-motivated and scummy as shit

also all of this is still in effect

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I disliked pine posts today really really really much

I'm really curious about your insight on this

he's pushing a player that you tr if not slightly and his tone feels slightly off in some of his posts + he feels pretty confident that android was counter wagon on scum

maybe that's why you dislike his posts?

[Golden Robster]

I do agree with not lynching Vax today because he's a vig

no shot today nor is vax dead

what makes you say this?

[Golden Robster]

We should get Texcat today.. they read on me make no sense.


VOTE: Textcate

What's your reasoning apart from their read not making sense?

[Golden Robster]

Anybody got a flashlight? It's very dark under all this shade.

What are your reads?

[Golden Robster]

I am with Frozen here, with the caveat that the way Android dissolved makes me think it was possibly a

scum driven wagon

with desire to draw a claim

Andriod18 (10) (L-3) - JarJarDrinks (1410), Almost50 (1460), Hopkirk (1679), Ausuka (1680), Gamma Emerald (1711), Scioness Sajj (1760), Flavor Leaf (1772), Texcat, Myloninja13 (1787), Pine (1835)

Whose scum on this wagon?

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Hey, Im not a vig. I claimed that yesterday to stop people pilling on the a stupid wagon and leading us to a no lynch. On top of that I was hoping I would be a scum target. Since I wasnt im assuming alot of my reads are wrong. I kinda like golden robs reactions at the start of the day, but he has a way to go for getting a town read.

Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

lol

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Vax

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Vax

[Golden Robster]

too many people insinuating or crumbing pr this game

[Golden Robster]

too many people insinuating or crumbing pr this game

I'll promise to do neither!

can you hit us up with some reads

[Golden Robster]

do you have any scumreads?

do you think vax is town not telling the truth or scum not telling the truth?

[Golden Robster]

I thought this initially but I think if this was scum vax he wouldn't easily retract his claim and his ATE when he was talking about he was playing bad didn't feel fake; felt like he truly believed he was playing bad.

[Golden Robster]

Thinking about it now the fact that vax isn't dead is a good argument for him being town; scum probably think vax is a liability regardless of whether or not his claim was true or they have a rb or they didn't rb him since he would likely vig town

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Creature

[Golden Robster]

Creature end of day comment yesterday felt super bad to me and he 100% deserves a wagon right now

[Golden Robster]

Lol @ golden

creature aint never gettin lynched

VOTE: jar jar

why is creature never getting lynched?

why do you SR jarjar right now?

[Golden Robster]

zzzz too many scummy players, none of them feel "informative" kills

We probably wagoned the wrong lurker.

end of day comments

whemestar comment on this?

[Golden Robster]

xd it's fun when you try and engage players with literally zero content and naked votes

VOTE: Whemestar

[Golden Robster]

giving free passes to players naked voting just because they're voting the same person as you are is bad

[Golden Robster]

this isn't chainsawing

I actually agree with you that his play has been super questionable and JJD has been in the lower half of my readslist throughout the majority of the game

the only thing that's stopping me from outright voting him is a crumb I saw that

[Golden Robster]

So he’s actively been implying he is getting scum vibes from JJD, he just doesn’t know exactly why. He’s a tone reader.

implying doesn't equivocate to actually having reasons

giving zero reasons about his reads, votes and overall stance on players doesn't feel like town to me

[Golden Robster]

doesn't equate*

[Golden Robster]

I crumb more as scum than town.

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

I’m never getting lynched this game.

I can conftown myself this game.

I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

[Golden Robster]

I crumb more as scum than town. Why is that immediately townie to you?

because he didn't do it in an obvious manner

if he wanted to dissolve the wagon then he would of said it in a not-so-conspicious, outright way

just feels like town-thinking although I agree with you in that his play doesn't feel like town

[Golden Robster]

Also creature is the easiest person to read on mafiascum.net so if you think he’s scum, ouch

why is he the easiest person to read and what makes you think he's town?

[Golden Robster]

stop dodging the question

[Golden Robster]

Sorry if you already explained and I missed it but why is there an asterisk on Vax?

read on him is dependent on claim e.g if he claimed a50 kill

[Golden Robster]

ANSWER MINE FIRST

yes

if you really wanted to actually know you could of just checked my game history instead of being sarcastic

now answer my questions

[Golden Robster]

Now that we have the Vax vig situation sorted out, it seems like A50 was the likely scum kill. I went back to look at A50 to see if there were any clues there. He had an early strong scum read on Edo, but I'm not sure it carried over to Gamma. Towards the end of the day, it looked like he wasn't reading because he voted Ausuka after the IC announcement. He voted Android, and he was pushing people to vote either Performer or Android, but at the very end of day he started thinking that they were both town and that scum had manipulated us into 2 town wagons. Ugh. It still looks like a vig kill.

it's not a vig kill

what do you think of a50 kill after reading his ISO?

can you talk to me about why you think scum would nk a50?

[Golden Robster]

That's fair.

How about a KK wagon, followed by a wave wagon then an Arc wagon on the scumflip, then we try and sort the rest of the stuff out?

Or Wave could go first.

do you not have a preference for your scumreads in terms of lynch order?

talk to me about why wave and arc is scum?

you mentioned his meta, counter-wagon to performer and how he seems more engaged as town; do you still stand by these reasons?

[Golden Robster]

It's more than crumbing. It's a softclaim. The proper course of action is to run him up to L-1 immediately and force a hardclaim. But just like lynching lurkers, most people on MS don't play mafia correctly so I'm sure people will just be cool w/ letting a softclaim sit out there.

not sure why FL specified a day where he would be conftown

How’s this, guys? I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

[Golden Robster]

Shamelessly sheeping powertown, choo choo

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

bleh post

[Golden Robster]

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

he's softclaiming a strong PR

if he's vt, then he's acting as a decent nk bait

if he's actually pr, then he's painting a big target on himself (unlikely)

if he's scum then he's bringing unneeded attention to himself by acting scummy and saying he'll be conftown

[Golden Robster]

I thought I just did. Am I being that unclear? The simplest explanation for the kill is that scum did it. That's why I said he "was the likely scum kill". As for why, I didn't see any apparent reason (though I am always bad at picking out breadcrumbs), hence it still looked like a vig kill to me.

What do you think???

scum had multiple potential NK targets such as ausuka (conf town), wavemode (neighbour + possible PR) and vax (claimed vig and implied shooting me or wavemode)

why would they avoid all of this in favor of killing a50?

[Golden Robster]

I don't understand why you're asking this and would like to know what you mean?

I meant like lynch preference order but it's fine

VOTE: Wavemode

[Golden Robster]

you as a town leader

if anything ausuka should be filling this role

[Golden Robster]

heyyyy I'm really bad and need to get to this game. correct me if I'm wrong but nobody has told me why KK was town? feels like loads of ppl TR'd him, and I don't really know why.

reading KK as town because d1 play comprised of him scum-hunting and generating content through aggressive and blunt questioning

even though he was one of the first people on performer wagon nothing pinged me with his reasoning d1 and he was wishy-washy on that read stating he wanted to switch to wavemode

if anything it's a continuation from d1

[Golden Robster]

You guys really think wheme is town here?

What makes you SR wheme?

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

why?

[Golden Robster]

You skip Day 1 except to brag about how you're not reading yet. You comment a little bit on things, but you don't actually put your vote anywhere until the last minute.
You've made hard and soft PR claims and then took them back. (Maybe? Sort of?)
You say that the lynchee will flip town (which is easy enough to predict as scum).
You vote JarJarDrinks with the explanation that his reads are political. I ask you to clarify, you refuse and change the topic.
In fact, you link me with JarJarDrinks because I'm "chainsaw defending" him.
Last I checked, chainsaw defending means that as scum I'm attacking you out of the blue because I'm defending a scum-partner. But I told you at the end of Day 1 that I would come after you Day 2, and I did regardless of your actions.

So for all the braggadocio of how awesome you are at manipulating people and at analysis. You've got 2 scum reads (one of which I know for a fact is town), and your analysis is a shitty "he seems scummy". So yeah, congrats. I'm definitely not getting behind you as a town leader. Mission accomplished on that.

Where's you reads on the game? Your promised analysis? You've had no comment on Pine all game? Lalendra? Myloninja13?

Where's your reads list, you day 1 lurker? (3rd time asking)

over-exaggerated, melodramatic and being excessive in this post

think this post is trying to produce a reaction and I TR it

[Golden Robster]

JarJarDrinks (5) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206), WhemeStar (2301), Lalendra (2334)

eh
why is this the lead wagon?

I am highly confused but ok
it just never popped up as something people were scumreading until just now

Why do these two posts sound like subtle defending?

[Golden Robster]

If I’m wrong on one of JJD/KK, it’s probably KK just being obnoxious town.

bleh post

you seem 100% sure that JJD/KK is scum then you backpeddle with this

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Scioness

[Golden Robster]

You could say the exact same thing here, and literally just change that T to an S and does the same thing, if not more. This is projecty. However this does make me feel GROB and KK arent scum together.

just feels like he's trying to provoke a reaction rather than directly attack you

[Golden Robster]

Creature replacing out nullifies my town read on his slot.

this

not sure why people are TR his replace out

[Golden Robster]

When I put the vote down, I'd looked at how you interacted with Android, Wave, Ausuka, Performer, Flavour (though less here), Ousuka, Almost50, and a couple of lurkers. That's the main part of the case and was enough for me to move you to scum. The rest I looked at to see if I got a similar sense of things.

This, if confirmation biased, is going to be equally confirm.biased whether I do it right after reading the first set of interactions, or a few days later. So timing shouldn't matter here.

Of course whether it was put together before or after I voted doesn't change whether the content is valid or not.


Interested in some kind of reads list, especially your thoughts on Wave, thoughts on lurkers and why flavour differs.

all of this feels like town hopkirk

[Golden Robster]

Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

.

Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

this is pretty damning

[Golden Robster]

scum had multiple potential NK targets such as ausuka (conf town), wavemode (neighbour + possible PR) and vax (claimed vig and implied shooting me or wavemode)

why would they avoid all of this in favor of killing a50?

when did wavemode become possible PR? Wavemode was a wagon on day 1. Seems weird to suggest he'd be a possible scum NK.

wavemode was possible PR when ausuka outed as IC & performer was vengeful; the rest of the hood had PR roles so why is it weird to think he might be PR as well

the thing I'm torn about is whether this is town or scum which is why am back and forth with my vote

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Kublai Khan
I think this is a good case, and think that the points brought up are valid points.

piggy-backing on someone elses argument & reasoning

what do you think of KK yourself

[Golden Robster]

Mylo slipped down to scumlean on my list with that vote on PP. I don't see any reason for it at all, and

it seemed like he was opportunistically picking on someone that he knew was not around when he was pressured to throw down a vote.

talk to me why you believe this?

[Golden Robster]

not being oppurtunistic, not having base arguments and scum motivation

if anything your posts feels reasonable and not aggressive rebuttal or back and forths with who you SR with; you're actively engaging others and keeping your cool and actually asking for their reads list instead of stupid tunnelling

if this is your scum game then props

[Golden Robster]

think I'm getting a decent picture of where I'm with everyone in this game

will start putting words down with my reads soon since haven't given reasoning

[Golden Robster]

replacing into scum slot noice

VOTE: Tehbrawlguy

[Golden Robster]

am just going to go ahead and claim mason with FL

[Golden Robster]

I skipped 101

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Boy o boy is this scum

scummy as shit

[Golden Robster]

Actually I think I buy that logic for Wave town.
A neighbourhood is likely to out itself D1 (from what I've seen/heard). An IC in that NH is likely to IC themselves after that.
Based on site meta, if the venegeful gets lynch, they're likely to shoot Wave's slot.
If the vengeful isn't lynched, that's because Wave was.

It'd really suck from a setup design point of view (and be super unfun for the slot) if Wave got a scumrole that's very likely to get killed D1 from a mechanical/claim based thing that he can't really stop. That doesn't seem like good/fun setup design at all.

what?

talk to me how you feel about setup now knowing me and FL are masons

[Golden Robster]

distancing

was telling FL to crumb in his posts so other mason can out without scum fakeclaiming

[Golden Robster]

distancing

was telling FL to crumb in his posts so other mason can out without scum fakeclaiming

i don't actually understand what you're saying here at all

can you explain it

what are you confused about?

[Golden Robster]

@Robster and Flaovrleaf, if either of you claim this was fake at a future point, then you get autolynched.

pushing masons then having the audacity to say this

okay

[Golden Robster]

why did you feel the need to distance

and what does that have to do with crumbing or fakeclaiming

and where are the crumbs anyway?

if any of us died, it would be less associative so to avoid being NK'd

crumbing mason partner before one of us dies in case scum fakeclaim

why would one of us crumb our partner? we outed already?

[Golden Robster]

was telling FL to crumb in his posts so other mason can out without scum fakeclaiming

past tense but he didn't crumb

[Golden Robster]

had zero reason to believe we would be NK'd with ausuka outing as IC and players softing PR and a neighbourhood as well

only reason I told him to crumb is because he was being wagoned

[Golden Robster]

okay I retract

[Golden Robster]

[Golden Robster]

to be honest I was hoping FL would engage me throughout that; it would of helped me gauge him

[Golden Robster]

can't tell if FL was at work or silently ignoring my gambit

[Golden Robster]

zzz

flavor leaf is near the middle of your reads

why aren't you voting players you scumread more?

[Golden Robster]

i mean, he stopped posting 1 minute later when you claimed

+1

spent like a page hard defending him and no posts from FL even though he posted a min before

feels susp

[Golden Robster]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Golden Robster]

true but it's his response to my gambit that I was interested in

[Golden Robster]

What were you trying to tell with the question you asked me Robster?

to be honest I wasn't really trying to tell you anything I was just trying to repeat the keyphrase that me and FL were masons

[Golden Robster]

What did you expect to get out of it?

his response to my gambit

[Golden Robster]

or the alternative is that other mason hardclaims if FL is telling the truth

[Golden Robster]

having fluid reads and taking hard stances are both important

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Golden Robster]

not bothered about votes on me right now

will spend time working on reads

[Golden Robster]

D2 reads

C = how confident I am in this read
* = dependent on claim

Town

: Ausuka (conf town) (3p hood), FL* & Hopkirk* (mason claim)

Leaning Town

: KK, FA
------- (town block)

Semi-leaning Town

: JJD, ETL, Gamma
------- (not willing to lynch above)

Kind of town

: Lalendra, Pine, Scioness, Dunstrall, Vax

Neutral/Undecided

: TNB (UD), Creature (UD)

Meh

: Mylo, PP, Wavemode, Texcat,

Leaning Scum

: Whemestar, Android

Scum

:

Town

Ausuka

- Confirmed IC

FL & Hopkirk

- Claimed masons*

Leaning Town

KK (8/10 C) - Hard TR this slot; have been leaning town on KK and nothing has made me change my read. Clear effort with scumhunting throughout the game; being aggressive with his questioning and having posts like 967 and 529 that demonstrate his reasoning. Isn't afraid to push any lousy logic and is capable of having discussions without fully tunnelling; has outed reads & most of our townreads overlap which I'll take as a sign of similar thinking between solid town. Posts feel genuine and sincere especially when he engaged FL with 2394 and playing devil's advocate in 2402 without actually voting FL afterwards; felt like a reaction test and something I TR.

FA (8/10 C) - TR FA; hasn't made her presence since V/LA which is fair. Active analysis during d1 was solid although her thoughts were brief, she covered posts worth commenting on. Felt like she was trying to develop her thoughts and reads while catching-up and endeavouring to actually sort players out; sincerity, town-motivation and isn't afraid to call out any shitty logic by 'eww'ing' any posts. Need to out reads and comment on d2 happenings but am TR'ing right now. (Dave replace out felt genuine as well which just enhances my read on the slot)

Semi-leaning Town

JJD (7/10 C) - TR JJD for now; have been back and forth with my read since d1. Scumread him early d1 for reasons that felt like lack of scumreads with weight, defensiveness that borders on deflecting and appealing to me when spearheading his wagon (mentioned all of these reasons before) but his d2 play feels town-motivated (people can debate me here); just checked post count and he's topping activity overview while also pumping out pragmatic content and actively scumhunting. Re-iterating that his crumb wasn't obvious or easily discernable & the fact that he didn't hard OMGUS me or call me out when I started spearheading his wagon. Have had games with him but meta is variable so not counting on this to read JJD. Don't agree with his readslist but I see some decent scumreads like whemestar, AA9 and wave (will talk about whether I think hood was all town or not later on). Differ on a lot of reads but am willing to work with this.

Gamma (7/10 C) - TR Gamma for d1 but d2 is lacking and hasn't outed reads yet. Engaged questioning, active commenting and analysis from d1 which I TR; needs more hard stances on players since he hasn't outed a single reads list and been over 100 pages; posts sometimes feel wishy-washy. Need more resolute reads from him and can only see four votes throughout the entirety of ISO; also piggy-backing on hopkirk reasoning (2488) that KK was scum was bad (don't think he mentioned KK previously in detail) and acting confused with posts like 2396, 2401, 2660, 2661, 2786 (can't tell if fake). Overall, TR Gamma but need concrete reads.

ETL (4/10 C) - Not confident on this read right now but I don't see scum ETL hard pushing performer wagon if he was scum; yes, I think tunnelling is scummy as shit and performer was town. ETL is playing naturally and not being artificial in his pushes. He calls out logic that doesn't resonate with him, is pedantic when referring to wording (1979 & 1983) and doesn't hesitate to butt heads with players that SR him (don't see scum doing this; super omgusy play). Aggressive to the extent that I don't believe it comes from scum (even though I haven't checked his meta & games). Semi-TR but not confident and waiting on replacement.

Kind of town

Lalendra (7/10 C) - Feels like newb town although some posts feel forced. Re-reading ISO, don't think anything majorly stands out to me as scum posts; main thing that strikes me is vote-hopping and switching between wagons but not bothered because scum care for appearances more than town so it's something that I TR; not much to add except newbtown vibes all over ISO.

Dunstrall (6/10 C) - Lacking content but him commenting on posts feel genuine and not fake; TR even though absence of reasoning and mostly acting on the side-line and not hard-pushing (could be looked at as scummy since avoiding spotlight). Has avoided some of main wagons and pushing JJD for his misrep in 2388 feels bad; overall, gut says town but on paper, shortage of reasoning makes me struggle to TR. D2 play hasn't been impactful and need more content.

Scioness (5/10 C) - Had Scioness as leaning scum previously but re-read and think the thing that was pinging me was the ease at which he switched votes d1 from ausuka to performer to android; felt scummy because zero reasoning and gave the impression of rushing a lynch instead of actually wanting to lynch scum. D2 play felt better but need more validation.

(will continue readslist later, getting coffee)

[Golden Robster]

Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

yes because people scumread you for being scummy what a suprise ho ho ho

do you get my sarcasm?

[Golden Robster]

Meh: JJD, FL, Texcat, AA9, Whemestar

[Golden Robster]

I would like to go Penguin or GROB today. Lalendra could be scum, but like Mylo, I think that’s better for another day.

You have a very weak reason to scum read me based on my history with you, and you know it.

If we can get a GR wagon going, I will be glad to lynch that.

Mylo is scum though.

VOTE: Golden Rob

mylo is scum but you're voting me?

[Golden Robster]

Um. He faked claimed mason and then didn't give a reason when asked why he did it? Didn't really care until mason were actually confirmed.

nice misrep though

was hoping FL would engage me throughout that; it would of helped me gauge him

his response to my gambit that I was interested in

[Golden Robster]

it doesn't matter if you're mason or not, we don't know this so stop acting like everybody pushing you was scum

softclaiming strong PR and saying you would be conf!town while acting scummy (gave prior reasoning suggesting that you were town doing this) which lead to you being pushed and wagoned isn't my fault so stop acting like a crybaby

then when I claimed as your mason partner i was hoping for three options

A) you responding to my gambit (accepting it)
B) not responding to my gambit (no validation)
C) responding to my gambit and saying I'm a liar

the fact that you didn't respond to my gambit meant that I had to retract which meant that the wagon continued which then meant you outed your mason partner

why do you think scum!GR does all of this in return for spotlight attention and votes?

[Golden Robster]

to be clear I was hoping for

A) you responding to my gambit (accepting it)

protecting masons is important is good play but you not responding to me didn't help at all

[Golden Robster]

literally posted a minute after you; all I needed was one post validating my fakeclaim

that's it

[Golden Robster]

Yet you all forced the second mason to claim. There was literally no reason for it.

It would have EASILY been confirmed in a day or two. Never do that again.

THERE WAS NO REASON FOR YOU TO SOFTCLAIM STRONG PR AND SAY YOU WOULD BE CONFTOWN

[Golden Robster]

I crumb more as scum than town.

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

I’m never getting lynched this game.

I can conftown myself this game.

I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

[Golden Robster]

he's softclaiming a strong PR

if he's vt, then he's acting as a decent nk bait

if he's actually pr, then he's painting a big target on himself (unlikely)

if he's scum then he's bringing unneeded attention to himself by acting scummy and saying he'll be conftown

[Golden Robster]

I think today need some to be GROB vs Penguin.

not doing this gladiator shit even though pp is being hella scummy right now

[Golden Robster]

UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

yes I do have a point because talk to me scum motivation for fakeclaiming mason partner then retracting before he engages?

[Golden Robster]

Why does town!GR do this to begin with?

town fake claiming mason to try and protect my mason partner(s)

[Golden Robster]

So you can make this post?

Honestly I was thinking the same thing but I dislike you pointing it out.

get why you dislike it but am pointing it out because it's a legitimate reason

it might seem scummy coming from me but it's a justified question