NY 213 - Game Over!

[JarJarDrinks]

Here's where I'm at:

Very Town:

Hopkirk, Ausuka, Tchill13, Kublai Khan

Town:

TehBrawlGuy, Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller, Golden Robster, Texcat, PenguinPower, Frozen Angel

Slight Town:

tPine, Wavemode

Leaning Scum:

Myloninja13, Ankamius

Scum:

Lalendra, Dunnstral, Creature, Scioness Sajj

[JarJarDrinks]

Ausuka could be scum as well as she just seems ...off from the other games I've played with her.

Fake town slip?

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Maybe I am still even-night vigilante and someone blocked my kill >_<

Ur terrible at rolefishing dude. Try subtlety.

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Why was the lala wagon pointless? Do you scumread her?

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IDK get what you're implying w that post. Do you scumread her ?

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Based on how clueless she is I think Lalendra might be town. I don't think she is faking that.

Cant she be clueless scum?

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Still don't understand why people are town reading Tex with her lifeless tunnel on mylo.

2 scumreads voting him is enough for him to not be on my lynch menu for today.

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If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

Can someone explain how this could possibly come from a town perspective?

Tell me if I'm misinterpreting:

"I would self-vote and get myself lynched just to get this day over with.

But the reason I'm not gonna do that is because people might scumread me for it .... In which case ... they'll vote for me ... which I would then care about because .... "

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Like ya'll get what I'm saying right?


Like why would a townie that is self voting to get the day over with care about being scumread?

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I'm calling scumslip

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If I didn't consistently scumread other people for doing it I'd self-vote to get this over with and let you guys get on with finding actual scum.

Can someone explain how this could possibly come from a town perspective?

Tell me if I'm misinterpreting:

"I would self-vote and get myself lynched just to get this day over with.

But the reason I'm not gonna do that is because people might scumread me for it .... In which case ... they'll vote for me ... which I would then care about because .... "

My point is not "I'm not going to do it because I would get scumread for it." My point is "I'm not going to do it because it's anti-town and something that I don't like in other people, and doing it myself would be hypocritical."

meh, seems like something you'd think to yourself then . Saying it out loud feels LAMIST.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:
Lalendra explained the issues I had and she seems genuine rn

Who u looking to lynch then ?

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VOTE: kublia khan

wtf is this shit?

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The biggest tell right now for lala being scum is the makeup of the wagon and the resistance to it.

Look at how the votes were earlier this day:

Day 3 VC #13

Lalendra (7) - Hopkirk (3661), Ausuka (3677), PenguinPower (3678), Tchill13 (3690), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Ankamius (3801)

Look at those first 2 votes. Where's the scum all over this wagon?

If lala was town then ur saying that on a day following a scum lynch, there's this much resistance to a town wagon led by the 2 confirmed towns?

nonsense

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I mean, is it that hard to believe? They're confirmed town, that doesn't mean they're right. You want people to just mindlessly sheep them?

I would certainly expect scum to sheep them if lala was town wouldnt you?

This is like my entire point.

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And especially the day after a scum lynch you'd think they be clamoring to get a wagon on town.

Where's the scum trying to nudge the mislynch along?

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in general or

Both in general and in this game. I haven't seen anyone really explain why they aren't on the wagon.

Honestly

If I saw a wagon being led by conftown and the wagon ended up flipping town

That's the very first angle I would be looking for

this is just silly. scum wants a mislynch. And I think especially on the day following a scum lynch, they'd want to stop shit from snowballing.

They aren't gonna let a perfectly good conf-town led mislynch disintegrate and risk a scum wagon gaining steam.

[JarJarDrinks]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

You should put ur vote back on lala b4 u go. Look how scummy the Myloninja wagon looks.

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Will be around later or tomorrow to evaluate but my immediate reaction is that this wagon is bad.

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"blah blah blah scum were all harddefending wheme blah blah blah"

Spoiler:

"They're gonna kill that poor woman..."

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So like everyone sees how scum wants to do anything except lynch lala right now?

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Tchill are you sure that Tex isn't the one true party wagon to rule them all?

eww that wagon is gross af.

like even tho I'm not a fan of lynching mylo rn, at least there isn't scum dripping all over his wagon like there is for the tex wagon.

I can confidently say that Tex is town based on his wagons makeup.

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Tchill are you sure that Tex isn't the one true party wagon to rule them all?

eww that wagon is gross af.

like even tho I'm not a fan of lynching mylo rn, at least there isn't scum dripping all over his wagon like there is for the tex wagon.

I can confidently say that Tex is town based on his wagons makeup.

When did Creature get downgraded?

what do u mean?

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You've provided multiple explanations for why you TR creature. It's been one of your most consistent positions this entire game. And now that wagon is dripping with scum? Just seems like an interesting flippity floppity.

what no. what game are you reading?

Creature has always very been much in my scumreads. Whemes hardcore townread of him gave me some pause earlier but it's not impossible for it to come from scum.

It is enough for me to vote elsewhere today and revisit creature on a future day.

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like where do you get that I've been consistently TRing creature this game?

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like I cased him on this very day phase

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You've provided multiple explanations for why you TR creature. It's been one of your most consistent positions this entire game. And now that wagon is dripping with scum? Just seems like an interesting flippity floppity.

And even if what you're saying here wasn't completely wrong, it still would be faulty since dripping w/ scum doesnt have to mean I SR the entire wagon. I have a sorta TR on your slot and I still townread TBG (though that is waning with every read he posts).

[JarJarDrinks]

Man I'm tempted. Didn't think Creature wagon was a possible thing today.

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But geez, my paranoia is just telling me that every time lala looks doable, a new wagon emerges.

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Okay, I'm all caught up!

I can get behind this Creature wagon!

VOTE: Creature

otherwise we have this scum who hops on any wagon available

I usually don't like the "too scummy to be scum" read but it's hard for me to imagine scum playing this way, same w/ all his "Sorry guys catching up" posts.

As scum, you would think he'd be more conscientious of how bad it looks.

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Who's most likely scum between Kublai and TBG?

TBG. Kublai is a solid townread for me.

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but still, it looks like Mylo is fine with any wagon.

Dude, I'm fine with like 5 wagons. Which is, in my opinion, a reasonable amount of wagons to be fine with,

meh

[JarJarDrinks]

Votecount 3.14

Myloninja13(5)

~ Texcat(13), Ausuka(13), Gamma Emerald(44), Hopkirk(42), Lalendra(31)

Lalendra(5)

~ PenguinPower(23), Wavemode(9), JarJarDrinks(92), Tchill13(82), Vaxkiller(13)

Creature(5)

~ Ankamius(31), Kublai Khan(38), TehBrawlGuy(60), Myloninja13(31), Golden Robster(71)

Texcat(3)

~ Scioness Sajj(43), Krazy(23), Dunnstral(17)

Kublai Khan(1)

~ Creature(108)


Not Voting (1): Frozen Angel(4)

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-24 20:00:00)

I think w/ about 1 day left, it's Mylo vs Lala vs Creature.

Anyone not on those 3 wagons, pick a horse.

[JarJarDrinks]

Of those 3, the one I like least is mylo.

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Also curious if anybody TRs Dunn?

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What makes you obvtown creature?

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Sorry Ausuka but "he's posting" isn't a good enough reason.

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whatever lets just lynch lala and go from there.

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Even if meta isn't good enough for the you anyone with that wagon composition is basically conftown.

IDK maybe. I can see some of the scummier looking people on it being town.

Now Tex's wagon on the other hand ...

[JarJarDrinks]

i'm fine wiith my vote

Well tex isn't getting lynched today so could you pick one of the leading wagons please?

[JarJarDrinks]

maybe you should let me bus tex and vote her?

What would be your preferred lynches in order out of lala, creature, mylo ?

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if you're town then you should be able to persuade us instead of

"this is my town game, when I'm mafia I lurk"

like what kind of shit reasoning is this?

What's the motivation for scum!me to call Wheme wagon a mislynch even though it was likely he was gonna be lynched anyway?

If he was likely gonna be lynched anyway then why did you try to derail his wagon?

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Only scum actually cares about how good their content looks.

Except that everyone is telling us that as scum your content sucks.

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Fuck balls.

VOTE: Lalendra

dude what are you doing

I'm not going to fight this in-game. If he's scum, then congrats and he's burned that meta forever. From this point on, nobody will ever be able to argue

If he's town, then post game I'm going to go to the green mods and argue that knowingly cultivating a town-tell at the expense of his games as scum is a form of site-cheating and he needs to be booted.

Anyone not TRing KK needs serious help on how to read people.

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I hate the site meta of run people up to L-1, wait for intent, wait for claim, etc...


I'd really like creature and lala to give us real claims right now to help pick the better wagon.

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if you're town then you should be able to persuade us instead of

"this is my town game, when I'm mafia I lurk"

like what kind of shit reasoning is this?

What's the motivation for scum!me to call Wheme wagon a mislynch even though it was likely he was gonna be lynched anyway?

If he was likely gonna be lynched anyway then why did you try to derail his wagon?

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ignoring me creature?

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Stay the course. This wagon feel real good.

Just like w/ wheme, it feels hard to get the last votes on it and the majority of people on the wagon look decent.

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Can anyone summarize some of the important points of the game?

- There is a neigborhood with
Ausuka (revealed as IC)
Performer (lynched day 1. was vengful and took out osuka)
Wave (Has claimed VT)

- There's a masonry with hopkirk and flavor leaf(FL was NKed)

- Scum Wheme was lynched day 2 with alot of resistance (mostly from creature)

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what are the cons to lynching creature instead of lalendra?

RN I think lala is slightly more likely to flip scum but I very much like the wagons being lala vs creature.

Curious as to where the people who votes are currently straggling are gonna land.

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I'm going FULL VANITY

Vote Gamma

but Krazy, you never go FULL VANITY!

I feel like Lalendra is a straight coinflip. Tails she's town, heads she's scum. No idea how I'm ever supposed to sort her with naked votes, and I'm not strongly opposed to getting rid of nulls if it means we can focus better tomorrow. If we want her L-1 I'm down, but I still feel like this is a pretty weak case.

dude we're a day away from deadline. Pick someone who has a chance of being lynched.

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Dunn is obviously next lynch after lala.

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Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

Dunn what happened between this and now for you to go from a "little interested" to "I will absolutely not move my vote to anyone else unless someone gives me good reason." ???

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Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

Dunn what happened between this and now for you to go from a "little interested" to "I will absolutely not move my vote to anyone else unless someone gives me good reason." ???

You should quote where I said I didn't like lalandra wagon instead

If a viable alternative that I think could be scum pops up I'll vote it, sure

Nice non-answer.

Do you have a strong scumread on vax right now or not?

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I don't like Creature or lalendra wagon

Is that all you got? What reason do u have to even think this? You've said they both felt scummy at some point in this game and then changed to unwilling to vote them w/o an inkling of a reason ever given.

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look at how many counter wagons have popped up to keep lalendra from getting lynched.

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If town refuses to vote lalendra after her absent mindedness and how she handled the wheme lynch then idk what else to tell yall.

I think it's mostly scum refusing to vote and trying to use their #s to keep lala out of the noose. The entire wagon could be town rn.

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Now can someone please tell me who forced the other mason to claim?

me

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Reason was cuz FL was acting really weird about the claim. Then Robster fakeclaimed as his partner and FL had no reaction to it.

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looking like dunn, lalendra, gamma, scionness, vax.

- I say vax is town. I just find it very difficult to scumread a fake vig claim.

- Of the rest, Gamma is who I'm least sure of. I strongly TRd gamma earlier but that read is slowly going away. still wouldn't want to lynch rn.

- Dunn, Lala, SS are all strong scumreads for me.

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14. Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel Skygazer
17. Andriod18 Ankamius
23. Myloninja13

I townread skygazr slot cuz of FA. would prob pick Ank scum over mylo.

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looking like dunn, lalendra, gamma, scionness, vax.

Nice. Pretty close to the grouping I posted earlier today.

I think I just have Creature in for Dunnstral.

I keep going back n forth on creature. He's voting lala rn and there's some really shifty folk on his wagon.

You need to reconsider putting Dunn back in tho. If there wasn't < a day remaining, I'd try to wagon him. Obvscum IMO.

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One thing noticable about dunn is that there is no conviction behind his reads. He says he TRs the leading wagons but hasnt given any reason, hasn't tried to move people off the wagon, etc...

He just up and decided he was gonna TR those slots.

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This is his single reason for townreading creature.

I don't like Creature or lalendra wagon

This is his additional reason given for townreading lala:

I remember something gave me cold feet on lalendra/made me think they were town

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[quote="In post 4630, Hopkirk"][/quote]
correct. He retracted it on day 2. It's just so unthinkable that scum would do this.

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VOTE: Scioness Sajj

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has SS claimed yet?

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okay so I'm going to want to be doing that catch up thing before the day ends (looking to start before I sleep today so)

if the day ends before that, I'm going to death tunnel the hammer voter until one of us is dead

LAMIST

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I'm also up for a surprise wagon (I have a surprise candidate myself)

is it dunn?

I hope it's dunn.

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Is anyone still scumreading mylo?

Are you?

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I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

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Screw it.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I think the main point against him is he refused to participate in the lynch yesterday.

WHich would be bad enough but he never once tried to convince anyone that the lead wagons were bad votes. He just stubbornly refuse to attach his name to a wagon and let the lynch go through. He was clearly OK w/ lala (or creature) getting lynched.

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Flip on Gamma would give us more to work with in reading Dunn.

Or we can just flip dunn. Dont like u selling a gamma lynch as informational.

Rest if the case was actually ok but there's scummier people than gamma rn.

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I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Dunn, u answer this yet?

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I'm here and YAY at a Dunn wagon actually happening again!

VOTE: Dunnstral

This looks like a bus. I never got the impression that Mylo was gung ho about lynching Dunn.

Very next post is duscussing 3 other wagons w/ nary a mention of Dunn.

Not sure if I believe in Scioness!Scum... I might have to do a fancy schmancy meta-check-up read on them.

Not completely sure about texcat!scum either, but I'd be fine to also vote for Gamma.

Then when the votes are like this:

Spoiler:

Dunnstral (6) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Myloninja13 (4837), Gamma Emerald (4847)

Gamma Emerald (1) - Krazy (4859)
Tchill13 (1) - Ankamius (4756)
Texcat (2) - Dunnstral (4670), TehBrawlGuy (4710)

Scioness Sajj (5) - Golden Robster (4681), Vaxkiller (4721), Wavemode (4854), Hopkirk (4857), Tchill13 (4863)

Not Voting (3) - Kublai Khan, Skygazer (4894), Scioness Sajj (4895)[/mech]

Oh, I guess I'll bring out my *double-voting abilities* for this lol.

VOTE: Gamma

Guess he wasn't that excited about the Dunn wagon.

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I'll vote with whoever tomorrow if they vote dunn today.

Arent u voting SS right now?

[JarJarDrinks]

Do you think scum!Dunn defends wheme's doctor claim?

Yeah I think they assumed the doc claim would work and Dunn was pissed that it didn't.

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and again:

Spoiler:

I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Tell me why didn't he defend the vig claim?

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Like seriously how is that not a lynchable offense for people? There's a reason he hasn't even tried to defend it.

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1405 is a player that wants to look like he's trying to stop a lynch but is clearly ok w/ other people wagoning that player.

3242 is someone that is gung ho trying to stop a lynch from happening.

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Actually I do think that post is kind of scummy, but not because of the defense of the doctor claim itself.

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

That was the part that led to my initial vote on Dunn when I first joined the game.

The sense of trying to save the slot today while giving it permission to bus on a future day seemed scummy.

The problem I have is I rereread some other games (not Dunn's) that were shaping my attitude on how town vs. scum defend, and the first half of the post actually reads more towny

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

This part looks towny, the rest looks scummy.

My concern is that I feel like I more often see scum grapple onto a misguided town post like this after a red flip going for a mislynch than I see scum defending a buddy in a brazen manner, especially in a large normal.

So I'm still thinking through the post, but I disagree with the reasoning that scum in general would have defended Wheme's claim here, and I have yet to hear anyone give a meta/bs explanation of why Dunn in particular would.

I think sometimes u gotta look through the wifom and just say that a person did what they did for the exact reason it looks like. He thought the claim would work was upset that it didnt.

As for meta: do you need more meta than earlier in THIS game when he was seemingly ok w/ lynching through a vig claim?

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I'm here and YAY at a Dunn wagon actually happening again!
VOTE: Dunnstral

would you share those reasons? also on dunn, tex and tbg since you don't like them either.

I don't like dunn defending wheme on D2. His pushes on mylo and texcat seem weakly reasoned and he seems content to just stay vote-parked and not really game solve. He also doesn't really provide much reasoning for texcat-scum and puts the onus on others to say why they think texcat is town. I talked about texcat already I think, but Golden Robster made a good point that they (along with mylo) could just be lost sheep. TBG's wheme unvote is questionable but not the worst thing I've seen. I don't like a lot of your votes and your jump on and off of wheme was sus but I feel like if you were scum bussing you would actually commit to it and not move off right away to PP?

So I'm gonna
VOTE: Dunn

same votes with me these slots are giving me green vibes

Mylo got off Dunn as quick as he went on. See my 4977 here.

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here n catching up

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Still gotta catch up but wanted to talk about the night kill.




PP NK actually makes Vax look more likely to be scum to me.

I guess it cant hurt too much to share what my theory has been:

I've kinda been operating under the assumption that Vax's vig claim was legit and and he un-claimed after his shot didnt go through cuz of a likely RB and scum has been neutralizing him ever since.

But if that was true then I would think scum would have killed him over PP for sure.


Still probably dont scumread Vax but my townread on him has certainly waned.

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and again:

Spoiler:

I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Tell me why didn't he defend the vig claim?

This is town pursuing an incorrect lead. JJD did have a strong case and Dunn needed a flip for reads to stabilize.

It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.

Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral

This is scum bandwagoning on to misguided town.

Look at the difference between how JJD and Gamma approach the Dunn wagon. Tchill's argument does not really make sense; the doc claim is precisely why scum would be inclined to bus. Gamma doesn't even comment on Tchill getting Wheme's fakeclaim wrong. It's like he's not even reading tchill's line of reasoning but wants an excuse to put his vote on a leading wagon. There is 0 real thought put into this vote.

Gamma is obvscum.

Not a terrible case but I do think Tchills reason made some sense. I look more into gamma.

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That VCA on Osuka seriously point to krazy or tex being scum. At one point the wagon was:

Osuka (8) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Krazy (176), Almost50 (390), JarJarDrinks (535), Performer (623), PenguinPower (681), Hopkirk (696)

It's very unlikely a town wagon gets that large w/o some scum on it. I know I'm town and Dunn/Almost/Performer/PP/Hopkirk are all town.

I think Tex/Krazy is prob a good place to lynch from

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The subset of players on both mislynches is {Wavemode, JarJarDrinks,

PenguinPower

, Creature}. I think this is a pretty good place to start, and I'd prefer JJD or Wave. VOTE: JJD in particular has been pretty instrumental in our failed lynches. He even set up the awful Dunn lynch before Lala died.

Dunn is obviously next lynch after lala.

I was also pretty instrumental in our succesful lynch. Don't forget that dude.

As for lining up Dunn, his previous 3 posts were scummy af:

Spoiler:

The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Meanwhile texcat

You're not getting texcat. Pick a non-vanity.

No, I'm done compromising

If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Meanwhile texcat

You're not getting texcat. Pick a non-vanity.

No, I'm done compromising

When was the last time you compromised? Two days ago? You actively pushed outside the scum lynch yesterday.

You also ended yesterday on TBG, but don't give him a second glance today. Why?

Yeah...

That's cool but it's not going to move my vote

IDK how you can NOT suspect that these posts come from scum

[JarJarDrinks]

excuse me you left me out

ok you can be in my lynchpool too

Hmm TBG, how'd u miss skygazer?

[JarJarDrinks]

Whyd u guys lynch dunn btw

If you were against a dunn lynch then why the F didnt you tell anyone that and instead just sit there and let the lynch go through w/o saying a word?

[JarJarDrinks]

dunn and vax both jumped off wheme (scum) to vote PP (town).

now that we know Dunn was town wouldn't it make vax's vote here more likely to come from scum piggybacking town?

Yeah, Vax is looking worse and worse to me.

[JarJarDrinks]

TBG, Sajj, Vax.

That's the lynches I want in the order I want.

I can roll w this.

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJD what do you think about PP NK?

5302

[JarJarDrinks]

@Mylon Hopkirk basically accused you of being too lazy to do meta reads at the end of last game day, lol. Are you scum because you keep saying you've meta'd people but actually you haven't?

The former is fair lol, but if I were actually scum then that would be one of the least scummiest things about me lol.

Too scummy to be scum? Is that your defense? And did you actually answer the question?

Yeah that post is just ..... Yuck.

[JarJarDrinks]

reminds me of this:

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

strongest scumread right now is TBG followed by SS and then creature/gamma

m'm working with you until we get sajj and TBG scum lynched. Then I'm winning with you.

I'm getting in on this.

[JarJarDrinks]

TBG had just replaced in and could have easily said "haven't read wheme yet guys, like my vote on wave for now."

easily? He might as well hardclaim scum if he makes that post and then wheme flips.

[JarJarDrinks]

So 100% of your case on TBG is based on Wheme's actions? You are ignoring the actions of TBG's slot itself?

That's the same case TBG has on me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Holy some1 has a brain

Also, Tchill, this comment is directed at TBG. Wheme draws attention to TBG unvoting him. That's scum avoiding commenting on his buddy?

no you are incorrect. He didn't unvote. The post was directed to Dunn unvoting him.

In fact if u reread those pages TBG had his vote on Wheme when he posted this:

What about JJD's push on the wheme lynch?

WTF is that?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

[JarJarDrinks]

I also don't like how much towncred you're trying to give yourself for how late you actually started pushing Wheme

Towncred is a thing man. You do pro-town stuff, u get towncred for it.

You imply that the fact that it was late in the wagon negates the pro-townyness of it BUT:

- That just happened to be when he started hardcore scumtelling.

- The wagon was in no way set in stone. There were plenty of people trying to steer the wagon the other way even up untill the last minute. All I had to do was sheep one of them and the lynch most likely wouldnt have happened.

and I really don't like you spearheading two consecutive mislynches.

Me neither.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well we can ask

@Krazy. Was the hammer accidental ?

[JarJarDrinks]

Skygazer is very likely town
TehBrawlGuy is somewhatish town
Krazy doesn't appear town or scum
Myloninja has no real equity either way, certain slots increase his scum equity via flipping scum, though

JarJarDrinks, Wavemode, Vaxkiller, and Tchill all look really bad in this scenario.

In what scenario?

[JarJarDrinks]

Skygazer is very likely town
TehBrawlGuy is somewhatish town
Krazy doesn't appear town or scum
Myloninja has no real equity either way, certain slots increase his scum equity via flipping scum, though

JarJarDrinks, Wavemode, Vaxkiller, and Tchill all look really bad in this scenario.

In what scenario?

look up

So in the scenario where all those people are town? I'm ok w/ that then.

[JarJarDrinks]

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

OK just so I have this right:


- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like the only difference between our play is that while I was calling Wheme scum, I was also actively fighting against people trying to derail the wagon.

I didn't see you ONCE try to tell the people that were trying to lynch elsewhere that they should keep their vote on the guy who was 90% scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

[JarJarDrinks]

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

THAT'S the big difference? You came out voting for me as your first post after the wheme lynch before I posted anything.

Try again.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

Alright, this one is just straight fabrication.

We voted it

one page

apart, with only

one vote

between us. I literally voted him within hours of you doing the same.

OK I assume u checked before posting this so I'll assume it's true. I retract that point.

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean, he stated that the unvote was to keep him out of hammers length. That part I don't really have a problem with.

[JarJarDrinks]

now that I think about it, is "you need to get your fucking facts straight" something you say to someone you're scumreading?

[JarJarDrinks]

you know if im scum that wants particular town players in lylo I'd probably call them mislynch bait.

There are like plenty of town players here that will make scum happy to have them around LyLo.

List?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

[JarJarDrinks]

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

This Town wants to lynch me when I've been on the right side of literally every lynch since I replaced in, and right on PP being Town well before the Wheme lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

Tchill

no, this isn't where you're voting today. Please try again.

[JarJarDrinks]

we have two day and, good news, there has to be scum on leading wagons (regardless of flips) so flip one of us and tomorrow start looking from there.

Post is icky

[JarJarDrinks]

Can we gat a vote and/or intent on TBG so they can claim already? 2 days left.

[JarJarDrinks]

Honestly I'd love it is SS and TBG would just both go ahead and claim at this point.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

[JarJarDrinks]

lol

not claiming before intent

hmm, where have we heard this before ?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ank sorry but you missed it
Also this makes me not very pleased with JJD

What is it that you don't like? The fact that I'm actually using my vote on people that have a chance to be lynched instead of pissing it away on a vanity wagon like u are?

[JarJarDrinks]

Spoiler:

What's shitty about my vote on Mylo? He did 180 on me, with no reasoning given. Which actually points back to... Gamma(?) idk what wagons where happening back then.

tbg more so actually, well that suits me

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

Spoiler:

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

this is me voting the not-me wagon out of survivalism. I'm pretty donezo explaining shit.

I dislike that SS felt like he needed to come up with a reason to scumread TBG.

TBGs just stating matter of factly that he's voting cuz he has to seems more realz to me

[JarJarDrinks]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

Uh cuz I still scumread you. I just happened to like how u countervoted a helluva lot better than how SS did.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ank sorry but you missed it
Also this makes me not very pleased with JJD

What is it that you don't like? The fact that I'm actually using my vote on people that have a chance to be lynched instead of pissing it away on a vanity wagon like u are?

The fact that THE SECOND a claim is generated you hop off? If it were PR I wouldn't be like this, but this means your vote has no conviction and most likely you're just baiting claims here. That's a scum agenda.

Yes I was most definitely waiting for the claim before jumping off. I wanted to see what TBG was gonna claim. I like informations

[JarJarDrinks]

we have two day and, good news, there has to be scum on leading wagons (regardless of flips) so flip one of us and tomorrow start looking from there.

MmmmHmmm.

[JarJarDrinks]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

@TBG, if u are town then think for a second:

Why as scum would I unvote you here? Is it really that important for me to get a claim from SS that I'm gonna throw away a mislynch at L-1? Cmon man.

[JarJarDrinks]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

@TBG, if u are town then think for a second:

Why as scum would I unvote ... at L-1?

there's something poetic about you asking me this

Well I certainly didn't have a problem when u did it. I think keeping out of hammers length is generally good play.

[JarJarDrinks]

explain to me why the entire gamma emerald wagon is now HARD sheeping gamma emerald

This aint true is it? I think SS is the only one. Which makes sense cuz he's scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah but how does that make JJD scum?

Scion and TBG aren't what's making me scumread JJD.

what is? you haven't mention it I'm pretty sure.

Like you straight up sheeped me the last 2 days and seemed all poised to do the same today:

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

Me too probably.

What gives dude?

[JarJarDrinks]

As a matter of fact:

JarJarDrinks, Wavemode, Vaxkiller, and Tchill all look really bad in this scenario.

wavemode and Tchill are doing fine.

JarJarDrinks' recent pushes plus Vaxkiller going back to lurk mode is looking bad.

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

Me too probably.

JarJarDrinks' recent pushes look bad but creature is happy w/ one of them being lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

Look at JJD iso and
1. tell me when he started scumreading tbg
2. tell me why he waited for tbg's claim before voting for me
+ what reason does town jjd have to get claims in the open like that

1. Today-ish. His reads are just so bad.
2. I already did. Information.
+ I like getting scummy players to claim cuz it helps me read them

[JarJarDrinks]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

I’ll claim when there’s intent to hammer

this kind of post comes from Scum far more often than it does from Town.

So how bad does this post ping you?

lol

not claiming before intent

[JarJarDrinks]

what info

Their claimed role obv.

and how does it help you read them?

Uhh, same way anything someone says helps you read them?

These were some really shitty questions Gamma.

[JarJarDrinks]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

I’ll claim when there’s intent to hammer

this kind of post comes from Scum far more often than it does from Town.

So how bad does this post ping you?

lol

not claiming before intent

So I guess we have to assume that TBG must have just missed that post from SS and he's gonna firmly plant his vote there whenever he shows up.

After all what other reason would TBG have to ignore something scummy that SS said?

[JarJarDrinks]

what info

Their claimed role obv.

and how does it help you read them?

Uhh, same way anything someone says helps you read them?

These were some really shitty questions Gamma.

Well your play is shitty. Tell me one way in which what you're doing cannot be described as rolefishing.

Sure, rolefishing implies a hidden agenda to find someones role.

I am outright asking for the role of a scummy player.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

Me too probably.

Just want to point out that creature is voting alongside TBG and SS for JJD.

[JarJarDrinks]

And like that post wasn't from a previous day or something. He said that TODAY. There was literally < 24 hours between that post and his vote for me.

[JarJarDrinks]

getting the person you don't intend to lynch to claim is bad.

nah not always.

[JarJarDrinks]

getting the person you don't intend to lynch to claim is bad.

nah not always.

not always, no, but generally speaking

in this particular instance where unclaimed townies are particularly likely to be PRs, it's pretty bad

yeah it definitely would be bad if I thought u were a townie.

[JarJarDrinks]

i love that after spearheading the mislynch of two consecutive townies, there's not a thought in your mind that you might perhaps be wrong

What gives you the impression that I don't have that thought? I literally said "if I thought u were a townie" implying that I don't

think

you are town.

Like that's the whole fricken reason I wanted your claim: to help me sort you. I'd love it if SS claimed RN as well so I'd have all the information I need before deciding which of you to lynch today.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: JarjarDrinks
Yeah I think this is shady enough
I was asking you about your reasons TBG to see if you had anything about his voting patterns, and while it wasn't as much of a smoking gun as I hoped I did see some stuff about it that made me feel like it was a good vote

I'm just going to say this JJD wagon might be the worst wagon in the game to date, and Gamma tried to lead it.

The three leading wagons are all probably town. Scion is the only one I might be wrong on, but I don't think I am.

CFD onto Gamma would be a good CFD.

Vote Gamma

Aint happening so u gotta pick a horse. If Scion is the TR u have doubts on then throw down a vote there.

[JarJarDrinks]

what info

Their claimed role obv.

and how does it help you read them?

Uhh, same way anything someone says helps you read them?

These were some really shitty questions Gamma.

Well your play is shitty. Tell me one way in which what you're doing cannot be described as rolefishing.

Sure, rolefishing implies a hidden agenda to find someones role.

I am outright asking for the role of a scummy player.

just because you asked it openly doesn't make it any better, though.

Has nothing to do w what I said.

I was asked to explain a difference between rolefishing and what I was doing which I did.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then maybe keep your vote there until closer to deadline? we have a day left

Once Vax's vote came off him, a sajj lynch seemed pretty unlikely. One day isn't much time at all.

[JarJarDrinks]

O man I just got super paranoid about a Tchill/SS scumteam.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Tchil keeps nonstop pushing TBG/SS are both scum super hard but has only voted TBG.


If TBG is actually town then Tchill probably get's 2 mislynches (cuz I'd probably get got tomorrow) while simultaneously making SS look alot better since he's been linking SS and TBG together.

[JarJarDrinks]

someone tell me I'm just paranoid.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm happy if today is TBG vs SS

Me too probably.

Just want to point out that creature is voting alongside TBG and SS for JJD.

Don't want this point to be forgotten for whenever creature shows up.

[JarJarDrinks]

someone tell me I'm just paranoid.

You are just paranoid.

TChill is just keeping his vote on the lynch that is likely to go through.

If you had done the same thing, you might be paranoid about getting NK'd right now.

There's been a few times today where they were tied in votes.

But your probably right. Tchill's actual play reads pretty town to me. SS lynch would still make me feel better though.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then why...? Does make me rethink my read on you a little

Why what?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: Golden Robster

VOTE: Wavemode

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy
VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

what

I would assume these are waves scumreads w/ TBG bring the strongest one.

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh lol. IDKWTF that was then

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Tchil keeps nonstop pushing TBG/SS are both scum super hard but has only voted TBG.


If TBG is actually town then Tchill probably get's 2 mislynches (cuz I'd probably get got tomorrow) while simultaneously making SS look alot better since he's been linking SS and TBG together.

i'm p sure that regardless of tbg flip he would push me tomorrow the same way he pushed me yesterday. he wants wheme late unvoters gone.
no clue why you think tchill could push for your lynch? have i missed something?

In my theory, he prob wouldn't push for my lynch but a TBG greenflip would look bad for me, being the conterwagon and pushing for his lynch and all.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then why...? Does make me rethink my read on you a little

Why what?

Why would you switch back to tbh if you preferred sajj, which still had momentum

I already answered that and no, all the momentum stalled.

Why does this make you rethink your read on me?

[JarJarDrinks]

Still confused. Are you saying that you think it's scummy to prefer one lynch but vote elsewhere if the original lynch has a chance of going through?

[JarJarDrinks]

It kind of feels like you forgot you were supposed to be scumreading me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Are people forgetting that they're supposed to be scumreading me?

Scion now believes I'm being paranoid?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

I'll try one last push at it.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Tchil keeps nonstop pushing TBG/SS are both scum super hard but has only voted TBG.


If TBG is actually town then Tchill probably get's 2 mislynches (cuz I'd probably get got tomorrow) while simultaneously making SS look alot better since he's been linking SS and TBG together.

i'm p sure that regardless of tbg flip he would push me tomorrow the same way he pushed me yesterday. he wants wheme late unvoters gone.
no clue why you think tchill could push for your lynch? have i missed something?

In my theory, he prob wouldn't push for my lynch but a TBG greenflip would look bad for me, being the conterwagon and pushing for his lynch and all.

okay yeah, but what you are saying now - pushing tbg and being a counterwagon; does makes you look bad. sitting on tbg now, when you prefer me also makes you look bad and you did the same thing yesterday actually when you were first voting me and moved to dunn. anyways, doesn't mean anything coming from me but i think you are paranoid. tchill will look worse on tbg's greenflip because that's another mislynch to his collection. and i'm the ultimate counterwagon that everybody but 3 people scumreads but nobody wants to vote.
if tchill wanted to get me out of redzone he could do it after dunn's flip when he mentioned reevaluating. but he didn't.

Seriously read this people.

Tell me that post is from someone talking to their scumread.

[JarJarDrinks]

Cmon Tchil. Alleviate my paranoia.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TBG

So much for my last minute SS push.

Hammering within the hour.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TBG

So much for my last minute SS push.

Hammering within the hour.

Wasn't Hopkirk's vote L-2?

wave went to TBG

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh I forgot me

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

[JarJarDrinks]

Well this is one of the skeeviest things to happen so far this game.

[JarJarDrinks]

if you think this is scum driven counter wagon then vote tex to get and get proof of it for tomorrow?

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

SS really posted those words guys

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

[JarJarDrinks]

nobody moved from TBG
not everybody on tex can be scum, if you think this is scum driven counter wagon then vote tex to get and get proof of it for tomorrow?

yh this is a scum post

no clue what scum motivation would i have to post it but look

we lynch tex today:
flips red - great
flips green - you have a scummy counterwagon that you can look into.

it's that easy.

U think the tex wagon is scummy?

[JarJarDrinks]

Claim

[JarJarDrinks]

idk if i have been kept alive becuase my reads are bad or i'm just that scummy though. so you will have to figure it out yourself.

this is very self-righteous
what makes you think you'd get killed over the others?

by killed i mean eating the rope
i wouldn't get nked, it never happens

So you're saying that you think there's a chance that you havent been lynched becuase of how scummy you are and how bad your reads are?

So like, the scummier someone is, the less likely they are to be lynched?

[JarJarDrinks]

SS really posted those words guys

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh fuck, we fell to their trap again.

This sounds like what u were saying when you showed up and saw wheme was about to be lynched. U gonna try to derail this one too?

[JarJarDrinks]

I 100% believe that SS and TBG are scum right now

[JarJarDrinks]

You know I'm going to flip green, don't you?

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

for real tho that shit did kinda sound contrived.

[JarJarDrinks]

i am here

[JarJarDrinks]

I really cant decide if I'd rather a no lynch or join the wagon w/ all the scummy people in the game on it.

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD, would it help if I switched to SS? The problem has been that town has divided their votes between the 2 competing wagons, letting scum CFD this.

I dont think it matters rn. No way we're getting 5 people to switch to either of them.

[JarJarDrinks]

hint

i'm strongly against nolycnhes

I'm strongly against no-lynches too.

But

Spoiler:

NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
TehBrawlGuy(4) ~ Kublai Khan(23), Texcat(12), Myloninja13(18), Wavemode(54)
JarJarDrinks() ~
Scioness Sajj(4) ~ Golden Robster(62), JarJarDrinks(66), Hopkirk(28) Tchill13(130),
Texcat (L-1) ~ Krazy(64), Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller(19) Scioness Sajj(29), TehBrawlGuy(67), Creature(63), Skygazer(10), Ankamius(85),

I cannot join that wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm here and need to catch up. wont really be around till I get to work tomorrow.

[JarJarDrinks]

the JJD defense when JJD is practically scumclaiming by being absent looks really bad too

like i said, weekends arent usually great for me and I'll be in front of a computer tomorrow. Expect great things.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gonna divide my day into 3 parts (hopefully I get through em all, if not I'll finish tomorrow).

- Catchup - gonna read the last 20 pages or so and post my thoughts as I go through em

- Defend my myself - I will do my best to convince y'all to vote elsewhere and not hand me my first mislynch in 20+ games on this site

- Readslist - planning on going through every living persons ISO and giving y'all a comprehensive list. I will do this regardless of whether I'm getting roped today or not

[JarJarDrinks]

Alright, guys, before Ank posts her thoughts in detail, which of JJD or Wave do we lynch first? I'm having a hard time making a concrete choice. I have a lean between the two, but I want to know what the thread thinks.

not a fan of creating this false dichotomy especially not explaining why us specifically since there were other people off the wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

I figured more ppl would be pushing me at opening lol.

I'll just follow the majority now. Doesn't mean I'm wrong on TBG or sajj.

Well we were wrong on sajj obv. Tex did spend most of the day voting for TBG so it looks less likely today.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm only lynching with the majority from now on.

My reads have been crap. If you want to lynch me fine. I'm not scum though.

I've flailed and pointed almost louder than anyone this game. To a fault.

feels real

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD thought he was carrying this game, then he realized he was horrendously wrong, today will be rough for him regardless

Yeah this. Has never happened to me before (fighting a scum lynch as town).

It's always been my opinion that whenever a townie gets lynched, it's almost always their fault. If this mislynch goes through then I'll have no one else to blame.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not okay with that.

I'm also not OK with town clearing ank just because she's stepping into the town lead.

not ok w/ locking TBG in as town but shouldn't be looking there today IMO.

[JarJarDrinks]

think I'm partially lost right now in terms of reads; the players that I hard TR and hard SR have taken a 180

U said TBG bussed tex tho? Werent u SRing TBG previously also?

[JarJarDrinks]

D5 reads

Conf town

: Hopkirk

Town

: KK, JJD,

Leaning Town

: Tchill, Krazy

Semi-Leaning Town

: Texcat (dead), Wavemode, Mylo
Null/Undecided: Vax

Semi-Leaning Scum

: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka

Leaning Scum

: SS (dead), TBG

Scum

:

flip these reads

Conf town

: Hopkirk

Town

:

Leaning Town

: SS (dead), TBG

Semi-leaning town

: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka

Null/undecided

: Vax

Semi-leaning scum

: Wavemode, Mylo

Leaning scum

: Tchill, Krazy

Scum

: KK, JJD

So why start the day w:

okay this might sound stupid but tbg bussed texcat

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VOTE: Kublai Khan

Will reread KK but pretty sure I still TR him.

Not really sure why anyone would TR creature RN.

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you were townreading tex for most of the game as far as I can see

when did you decide that tex was scum and what was the reason

This is a good point. KK gave zero indication that he SRd tex up until he was about to be roped.

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you were townreading tex for most of the game as far as I can see

when did you decide that tex was scum and what was the reason

I had a day 1 townread on texcat, that died after the Whemestar lynch.

U never mentioned that tho.

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For JJD, I'm just going to say, that answer is yes. JJD has the epeen that, as town, he would tantrum his way to a no lynch. It is the JJD way. To be honest, I was waiting for Mylo even before JJD said he wouldn't vote, because... I just wasn't holding my breath for his vote, what can I say. He also has the big brass balls that he would play up being online and choosing not to vote. JJD is basically a rolling ball of testosterone, and if you bear that in mind, literally everything he does makes sense. This is totally consistent with him wanting to get the second claim from Sajj yesterday. The dude thinks he is a third mason. I think the likelihood I'm wrong on this slot is low.

I don't think it's my way. Normally I never would let a no-lynch go through. The wagon just had a bunch of scumreads on it and popped up in opposition to 2 wagons that I thought were scum.

Also, and there's no reason for anyone to believe this BUT... I was still sitting there watching the clock and contemplating whether or not I would hammer if it got 5-10 minutes to deadline. I do understand how terrible no-lynches are.

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IDK if I'm comfortable w/ how hard Krazy has been defending me this game.

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What's my motivation for not bussing texcat there exactly? Posting and showing I'm on but not willing to lynch texcat? That'd make me look pretty bad when he flipped scum wouldn't it?

Aint you voting for me right now?

Can you answer this question but pretend it's me asking it ?

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VOTE: tchill

@krazy you're analysis is fine; I agree that we should be focusing on these three players including myself and KK here

it makes the most logical sense to look at the players who hard-defended texcat (including me)

Don't like the mentioning of how people should be looking into himself. If he's town then what good would that do?

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Hmm.

Okay. So either wavemode and Tchill13 are town together or scum together.

I think town and would rather lynch elsewhere.

Huh why cant wave be scum here?

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Actually, wait. wavemode could still be scum. But Tchill13 is confirmed town.

Sorry. Long day.

K