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Hiya

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Sorry - been asked to take on responsibility forgot an additional department at work and I’m preparing for a job interview at the same time (heh that’ll be fun to explain later...)

Anyway - who do I need to vote for a why in one easy to digest paragraph please?

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Sorry - been asked to take on responsibility forgot an additional department at work and I’m preparing for a job interview at the same time (heh that’ll be fun to explain later...)

Anyway - who do I need to vote for a why in one easy to digest paragraph please?

The game is an easy read. Half of it is Creature shitting on the thread with one liners.

I'd rather read your pov. Last time we played together you gave me so many interesting insights of what not to consider.

Failing that 160

Well I’m travelling for the next 3 hours so phone signal permitting you have my attention for a while


I don’t remember what happened last time we played so I’ll gloss over that

I thought 0verkill and Joges were just fluffing up the thread with some kind of scum theatre - not sure if that is a thing or just the first 2 people to start doing anything post RVS

Creature spamming one liners is a town tell if he maintains it I guess

Gonna give the game a 2nd read and see if any more pops out

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I mean, maybe in a mb where scum are legitimately hunting the other scum team but in a solo game they already know everyones alignment.

What makes you think there's only one scum group?

Wasn’t it declared in the sign up or did I dream that

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Here are the people that have attracted my attention in a quick read of the thread/ISOs

Too many for them all to be scum reads obvz but these are people that have stuff that kinda made me think “ok where you going with that”

The rest of you have been normal for what i know of your play I guess

BuJ
Joges
Overkill
Eyes without a face
Jibril
Rosterfoster
Stanley
Vedith

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Seriously let's vote jibril guys. I trust the TMI tell.

Explain the TMI tell for the class please

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Explain the TMI tell for the class please

Too Much Information?
I guess they are speaking of some slip they saw.

Yeah that’s what it means - I just want BuJ to clarify what he is referring to

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VOTE: Eyes

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As far as I can see there are more wagons in this game than the VC's reflect so it's pretty tricky for me to definitely say 'that CW appeared to keep player_X safe'

I will look at that but I'm busy until at least Wednesday to do it properly.

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that’s exactly perfect Lycan - I’ll analyse your data later (it’s my birthday hurrah) so yeah things to do people to see

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Eyes it's claim time

Imagine this is L-1

What

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Gonna try and make sense of Lycans work today

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So the most interesting thing to me is the peak of the Jibril wagon is all different voters to the peak of the Vedith wagon, then most of the Vedith voters end up on Eyes, with RCEnigma being the only difference.

I also just noted we have Enigma being happy to lynch Vedith or Eyes

so this makes me ask myself - am I happy that Jibril is town and that wagon is wrong and am I therefore happy that Enigma is right and has picked up on 2 scum targets on day 1?

This is where I will start looking... but not riiiight now.

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VOTE: Vedith

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Vote Vedith

At the very least we won't be getting rid of someone pro-town. I'm also very interested in Lycan's vote analysis, and I think a flip would really help to illuminate some more connections.

At the very least we won't be getting rid of someone pro-town

AKA "at least i'll have a good reason for being on a mislynch when everyone sees the flip"

I'm also very interested in Lycan's vote analysis

AKA "it wasn't my idea to lynch this town dude, we should chastise Lycan"

I think a flip would really help to illuminate some more connections

AKA "Ultimately I know this lynch is a policy lynch to gain info at best so again I'll justify my position as I know where this flip is going"


VOTE: Amor

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Profli i like that case but think i disagree about the first point, that one seems valid to me tbh. Amor is a potential for me to vote but ill stick on Eyes for now

I understand that people see this option as some kind of logically positive direction to go in but I strongly disagree that it is a valid thing to do.

Ask yourself why is Amor settling for an anti town lynch - this says, at best, his read on this slot is town but he just doesn't like how the person is behaving and wants to remove him from the game - a good player in this scenario has to be mature and find ways to work together, not just lynch the dude.

Worst case, he just knows the guy is town because he is scum and he is struggling to manufacture a fake read properly - > I think this and I think he gave the game away.

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If i voted vedith rn I'd be voting someone i think is town just to put a lynch through - im out

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You’re scum trying to shift a wagon away from Vedith, while simultaneously suspecting him in case the wagon goes through.

i dont suspect him of being scum - that is why i wont vote there today

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VOTE: Jibril

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VOTE: Jibril

you're gonna need to explain that

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So you’ve no concerns being on a wagon along side me who you’ve said can go

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Profii pings me for the nightkill, it's one he goes for as scum imo

I say someone is obv town and then kill them as scum ?

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Going Germany until Sunday, VLA.

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Why do you think Nero and I have to be different alignments in the first place?

comes across as setting up a chain of mislynches if BuJ is scum and you 2 are town

oh, nero flipped town? damn, must be you as scum then, oops again, wow I'm bad at this


etc.

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What’s happening - is it easy to give an update or should I start reading

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creature, you scum reading me based on activity or something else?

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Haha this is going to come across badly for me I think but I don’t really care... I think RCE is town

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VOTE: creature

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I wouldn’t call it a case but oook

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Haha this is going to come across badly for me I think but I don’t really care... I think RCE is town

explain

I’m picking up people are saying RCE is bussing me so if I say I think he is town then maybe people think I’m defending my buddy or whatever

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Creature is the biggest wagon wtf he is town what are you guys doing

I am waiting for someone to say Creature is town because...

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Well I am scum hunting

My vote is on Creature, when he gets lynched, that’s 1 dead scum

No point spamming away after that

No one has told me either of these 2 things

Profii is scum because: (activity doesn’t count)
Creature is town because:

So it’s all good from where I sit

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Well I am scum hunting

My vote is on Creature, when he gets lynched, that’s 1 dead scum

No point spamming away after that

No one has told me either of these 2 things

Profii is scum because: (activity doesn’t count)
Creature is town because:

So it’s all good from where I sit

552 728

I think the main issue for me is the lack of meaningful input not necessarily the lack of activity, they might be hand in hand though.

I see a lot of "I'll get to this later because I have thoughts on x..." But we never get a resolution to that and no one has really pressed you to get around to it. This is when you aren't really pressured, when pressed on something specific you respond but it's reactionary. I had this tendency as scum and think it's just indicative of not having a good foothold to involve yourself.

There are gaps that don't really feel fleshed out as well. Your response to me calling you out on being a slot that would kill Vedith was that you wouldn't because you hard townread him or something to that effect. 552 was your vote on Vedith and 728 was your townread on him without much input from you on how you got there.

I think if Profii flips red we can easily pinpoint at least 1 more scum around the Vedith/jibril wagons inside the slots that don't overlap. I can expand on that later, I don't want to bias myself pre flip.

Anyone wanna call this scum still?

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Anyway
Tbh the gist of 728 was a kinda tonal read - vedith was scum claiming but he was listed as located in the UK - I think his sarcasm didn’t come over very well but I kinda understood the trolly approach he was going for and it felt towny to me maybe because I just got the humour in it

It’s a weird one but that was my thinking

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Why is he scum?

I think his PoE is shitty no scum would ever think that would fly. No way the scumteam would contain that much deadweight. There is no analysis, it doesn't seem to consider any VCA, and it comes at an opportune time because it includes both top wagon. If he were scum he practically checked every box for scumminess. I think if creature were to actually bother trying as scum he'd be a bit more self-conscious about that.

Thought I've never seen him post as scum, not even in our PT when we were scum together.

@lycan - thanks. The fact he mentioned profii before profii was really being mentioned by anyone bodes well for him.

You kinda answer your own question it appears to me - despite some people believing Creature has broke his own meta I am not 100% sure and still believe he doesn’t really like scum

I agree with your point about him being scummy - eg click his ISO and ctrl+f “profii” there is certainly nothing there and I agree that he is ticking the scummy boxes

But I think this is just indicative of creature scum because he doesn’t like being scum

This does give me a follow up question - I know I’ve been largely uninterested and disengaged in this game so what makes me scummier than Creature?

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Anyone wanna call this scum still?

So he made a p decent post, not like scum can't do that. Like, I know I'm kinda tunneling and he'll throw a fit about said tunneling but its hard for me to move on. I realize that he could be town put a decent post about someone who I think could be his buddy doesn't outweigh what I feel he's scummy for. And that's why I've been asking others opinions but apparently, no one thinks he's scummy and they are all just town sheeping me or scum sheeping me. I'll dedicate a longer post to this topic when I feel less lazy.

Why so concerned with a RCE town?

Because it’s the competing wagon right now, therefore a viable lynch, therefore as I don’t want to lynch town, I’ll deal with it

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Why would all the scum team unanimously town read a questionable slot

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I'm going to look through some profii scum games. In my town game with him he crumbed really hard so he's not ignorant of the concept.

I don't get how this makes more sense than scum trusting a townie to tell the truth, even if it's Vedith.

Why is Creature town?

I'll give you a head start - I used to like crumbing a bit but obviously people catch on to that sort of thing, I then went through a fake claim phase, which whilst fun for me, someone pointed out that you can wifom your way through the game to LyLo but that's only any good if you get LyLo right consistently which probably isn't me.
So now I'm trying something else, I'll let on after death.

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VOTE: EFN

L-1

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No

If we're compromising profii lynch is much better than flippy.

nah

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I counted and it's L-1

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Regardless of flip anybody who moved from creature wagon to flippy wagon is scummy

hiiiii

I dunno why you wanna mislynch me so badly ha ha

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I'm not trolling but I can't really debate non-existent reasons for people thinking I'm scum.

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still no idea why creature is town

it is a mystery

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Well maybe not, sashaddin and Profii have been pretty inseparable.

Say what? If that's the case, it ends here.
VOTE: Profii

what do you achieve by 'separating' us like that?

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Sash has gotta be town - if he was scum he would know I'm town, so he would know by voting me as soon as someone makes the comparison that it would come over really badly as 'distancing' but he didn't it anyway so he legit believes im scum - i.e. doesn't know who is scum, thus is town.

makes sense in my head

didn't like BuJ's comment - I struggle to read him but I think he is scum too

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Sash has gotta be town - if he was scum he would know I'm town, so he would know by voting me as soon as someone makes the comparison that it would come over really badly as 'distancing' but he didn't it anyway so he legit believes im scum - i.e. doesn't know who is scum, thus is town.

makes sense in my head

didn't like BuJ's comment - I struggle to read him but I think he is scum too

Yeah that makes sense but only from your pov, not for anyone who doesn't know your alignment.

yeah and he voted on me when I had so many votes already so looks like my alignment may come to light pretty soon so a risk for scum!sash.

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not what I am saying at all

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not what I am saying at all

I was asking about his meta not for you to clarify... but if that's your response I have to ask you to clarify what you're saying also

Exactly what I said in the first place

This hop on my wagon by Sasha is too brazen for him to be scum so he is town

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I’ll not be self hammering

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I’m just a VT

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I’ll not be self hammering

said no scum ever

I mean, you don't need to reread guy. I'm just letting you know that's why I'm not power lynching him. Its also why RCE is scum b/c why would town EVER want a short day here? I'm, essentially waiting on...

-words from lyncan
-overkill
-Enigma to answer my questions

Agree on that RCE point - was I Town reading him yesterday? The short day comment over rules that town read

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I’ll not be self hammering

said no scum ever

If I was gonna self hammer I’d have tried to get a counter claim on my way out the door but ok

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I wanna vote enigma

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VOTE: profii

Here profii, you can self hammer

Here I am not self hammering

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then do it, don't talk about it

sure but i suppose i really want lots of votes

VOTE: enigma

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nah i prefer succint actually

I wanna vote enigma

then im either a terrible player for tring you or you are a terrible player ... i hope the latter

looks like u r a terrible player if you want to vote succinct

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I’ve kinda-sorta been following this explosion.

I think Profil has given up, so is almost certainly scum, kind of hoping that this wagon will dissipate.

Why have I given up?

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I wasn’t scum-reading profil for associatived.

The tone of your posts changed dramatically from earlier. I can’t quote and stuff rn but you were trying so much more earlier.

Should be fairly obvious scum is on my wagon I think

Particularly RCE encouraging that short day

So I’m in a useful position I guess... it’s a team sport eh

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After a few days of being dumb - I thought Creature was claiming IC that hasn’t declared yet and there is another mason but idk

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VOTE: RCEnigma

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how about we lynch Profii so we dont lynch him in lylo

not because you find me scummy or anything like that? well ok!

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Wow

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No

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i still dont think anyone had a case on me other than lack of activity so if scum are hiding in the inactives thats one thing but i assume they will be trying to drive the game :/