Large Normal 224 | Endgame

[Luca Blight]

Tea's 57 is casting shade on what look to me to be a couple of good leads.
Tea would be a good vote but I think the careful play by Norwegian is scummier.
VOTE: Norwegian

I agree with you up until your conclusion.

VOTE: Tea

[Luca Blight]

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

[Luca Blight]

So first you called the votes on Norwegian bad, and now you’re calling the ones on Layla bad because they should be on NorwegianboyEE instead?

Explain, please.

[Luca Blight]

And why are

you

not voting NorwegianboyEE for that matter, Tea?

[Luca Blight]

What have I done that’s the same as NorwegianboyEE?

[Luca Blight]

What have I done that’s the same as NorwegianboyEE?

Your vote on Layla had similar reasoning and timing

How is the timing similar?

[Luca Blight]

Not sure I follow you.

Also, do you dislike/disagree with the vote itself, or is it purely the fact I haven’t received as much heat as NorwegianboyEE that pings you?

[Luca Blight]

What about the NorwegianboyEE and Tea wagons, Chemist. Anything ping you there?

[Luca Blight]

This is the first Large Normal I’ve played in years, but an 8 day deadline seems a little quick. Hopefully activity won’t prove to be too much of an issue.

[Luca Blight]

I don't actually find tea scummy. I have him as null, but true null, not leaning towards any alignment.

1. People showed concern about 74. It's a bit overzealous and overall bad yes. Does it draw aggro? Yes. But is it scummy? Remember that bad != scummy.

2. His stance flip on Nor. He did say that his read on Nor have gotten worse over the span of 20 or so posts. Did people miss that?

Now why do I say such thing when I pretty much don't have any read on tea? Because I think the direction of arguments thrown against him is wrong and that kind of arguments only bring wasted pages in the game.

I disagree with this. Content is gold at this stage of the game, regardless of whether the arguments are good or bad.

I think the only reason this was posted was to make yourself look like you're being fair-minded in your approach; there is no game-advancing benefit to it.

[Luca Blight]

Had a very busy weekend, will catch up in a few hours.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

The speed at which the Tea wagon built up and the little resistance it had is definitely something worth noting. It makes me think that scum either found an opportunity to hop on an early wagon, or found an early opportunity to distance from their partner. I'm gonna take a look at all the people who voted for Tea.

I don’t like this; it feels very showy.

[Luca Blight]

So far I’m townreading NorwegianboyEE, and have slight scum leans on Zote, Chemist and Wake88.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wake88

Will go into more details once I’ve had some sleep.

[Luca Blight]

So taking a cursory glance at the game, I have a few developing reads, but not much yet. In general I really hate Day 1 and do much better on Day 2 and onward, because I have solid information to work with.

Before I post my reads I have a question because it's not clear: are we dealing with more than one Scum faction? Because the way I read it in the OP it feels like there being two Scum factions is definitely possible.

This feels like playing innocent about the setup. The OP is pretty clear in what it says - why is he expecting anyone to answer this question?

As for

Vorkuta

, I don't really like how he jumped on Flavor's wagon in #18. Then in #55 he voted Layla and said her vote seemed opportunistic, yet his vote itself (to me) felt opportunistic. Lastly in #131 he wants votes on Flavor Leaf (Papa Leaf?) but he doesn't vote FL but Tea instead. These 3 events make me slightly Scumread him currently.

VOTE: Vorkuta

This seems like he's just giving commentary on Vork's actions rather than trying to work out the meaning behind it. It's a very easy thing to jump on.

I noticed that Reund doesn't support Layla's wagon in #103, so if Vork flips Scum and Layla flips Town I'll revisit this later.

Likewise, Fish Townreads Vorkuta in #205. If Vork flips Scum I will be taking a closer look at Fish.

This is surface-level beyond belief.

Currently I don't understand the wagon on Tea.

Could it be boiled down for me please?

Lack of resistance on Tea wagon has me slightly worried.

I really don't get the 'worried by lack of resistance' feeling, considering at the time of writing Tea only had 4 votes to NorwegianBoyEE's 3, and I've seen at least a couple of people defending Tea. This feels like he's actively trying to look not opportunistic.

I don't really like the Vorkuta wagon at all - it seems a really easy resting place for scum on D1.

[Luca Blight]

There's a fair few players being useless so far, but Wake88 is being useless while trying to look like he's not being useless, which makes this a decent D1 lynch imo.

[Luca Blight]

I'm actually getting a slight town ping from Tea's suspicion of me: given I hadn't made my position on him clear at that point, I feel as scum he wouldn't want to provoke me needlessly.

[Luca Blight]

Davesaz could be scum as well - he's a little too comfy on that NorwegianBoyEE wagon and isn't doing a lot of sorting from what I can discern.

p;edit, oops, speak of the devil...

[Luca Blight]

NorwegianBoyEE, Fish Monger and Reundo are giving me town feels so far.

[Luca Blight]

PM as well, actually,

[Luca Blight]

I'm also leaning town on Billy Pilgrim so far.

[Luca Blight]

Hop on the Wake88 wagon with me then, Davesaz.

Let's get the ball rolling.

[Luca Blight]

@Mod:

is there any chance of a deadline extension? Every other large normal I’ve looked at has had a two week deadline for D1.

[Luca Blight]

So what do you want to push, then?

[Luca Blight]

It’s ok dw, I’ll give you a pass for D1.

[Luca Blight]

NorwegianBoyEE, Fish Monger and Reundo are giving me town feels so far.

Why are you getting town feels from Norwegian? What specifically?

I feel like he’s being unnecessarily conspicuous.

[Luca Blight]

Omg what’s going on? Wake is scum now? I’ll post my thoughts a bit later ahhh!

Literally wtf is that post? How is he getting townread?

Although this did ping me a bit as well.

[Luca Blight]

No I haven’t @Billy

[Luca Blight]

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

I had scanned through, and when I had considered it for a few more moment the Layla RVS explanation pinged me.

Why is it scummy to suddenly have a change of heart?

[Luca Blight]

I'm happy to accept the '

gamble

'.

More votes on Wake, please.

[Luca Blight]

Anyone who isn't voting one of the three main wagons ought to do so.

[Luca Blight]

I think Wake's response to his wagon was scummy; to not challenge, analyse or indeed do anything to progress the game reads as scum who are trying to not look defensive or draw attention to themselves. It makes it look like his previous 'sorting', which I called surface-level beyond belief, were just fabrications - because as soon as he's called out on it he ceases to do these things and just retreats into his shell, which is not Townie behaviour.

Day 1 is just crazed paranoia and I can't deal with it, and if you want to lynch me for that and take a gamble go ahead.

This pings me. '

Take a gamble'

seems like a subtle, disingenuous form of defence where he's trying to plant a seed of doubt in people's minds - it feels like a bluff. Why isn't he considering that scum might be pushing his wagon, which of course wouldn't be a gamble at all as they'd already know his alignment?

[Luca Blight]

I'm starting to re-consider my NorwegianBoyEE view. Ive played with him before when he was Town and he was similar in terms of his activity and not being overly serious, but looking back at that game he definitely showed more care in sorting people than he's doing here. It feels like he's being more floaty, which doesn't seem out of place with his scum meta, at a glance.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

[Luca Blight]

Why is it scummy to suddenly have a change of heart?

Because it's a

sudden

change of heart. It feels as if it came off the left side, as if you realized you made a mistake and tried to correct it immediately. Maybe I'm not explaining it the way I should, so just accept that I think it was unwarranted. I had expected you to either stay on Tea for some time (if only for a test reaction) or to have not voted him in the first place.

Like, what if I voted you right now, only to unvote and vote elsewhere (say between Wake/Tea/Nor) in my very next post? How would you feel about me in that hypothetical situation?

Having scanned through the thread I thought Tea was the scummiest at the time, but when I had time to digest what I'd read I thought the Layla thing seemed like it could be a lie. Would it have been townier of me to keep this progression of thought to myself instead of sharing it?

As for your hypothetical situation, it would entirely depend on whether I could follow your thought-progression on your change. If it seemed natural I might have TR you for it, if it didn't then I might have had the opposite view.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

Although, going back to your original post, I'm wondering why exactly you were about to TL me for my first post?

[Luca Blight]

Luca initially scumreads Tea and TR's me. Then when the narrative is appearing to be switching [Tea loses votes and posts a case] he immediately goes back on his principles and votes me. It sure looks like a scummy and opportunistic wagon hop to me.

You’re misrepping me here, I’ve had Tea as a Town-lean for a while now.

I’m not going back on any ‘principles’, I merely reconsidered my read on you. The only reason I was TR’ing you was due to meta, and after reading Tea’s case I looked back at our previous game together and your recent scum game and realised I was mistaken in my reasons for TR’ing. I’m also SR’ing you for reasons independent of meta which I will expand on in a while.

[Luca Blight]

I'm starting to re-consider my NorwegianBoyEE view. Ive played with him before when he was Town and he was similar in terms of his activity and not being overly serious, but looking back at that game he definitely showed more care in sorting people than he's doing here. It feels like he's being more floaty, which doesn't seem out of place with his scum meta, at a glance.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

okay I really hate the timing of this

Why?

[Luca Blight]

@Norwegian: in short, your reaction to the Wake wagon and the general aimlessness of your play.

[Luca Blight]

I will, when I’m ready.

[Luca Blight]

I will elaborate when I’m on a computer, i hate quoting multiple things on my phone.

Btw, are you no longer scumreading Tea, or do you just SR me more?

[Luca Blight]

What is my motivation for switching votes if I’m scum and all three main wagons are Town?

[Luca Blight]

I’ve already explained what changed.

I still don’t like Wake this game but I’m currently more sure of my SR on you. Wake can be dealt with later.

[Luca Blight]

You just admitted my play only makes sense as scum if Wake (who you TR) is also scum, so why are you now talking as if you’re confident I’m Scum?

[Luca Blight]

What backpedaling?

[Luca Blight]

That’s not backpedaling, that’s reconsideration, which isn’t scummy at all.

Backpedaling is when you reverse what you’re saying under pressure, which I haven’t done whatsoever.

[Luca Blight]

I'd prefer to lynch Wake or Vork

Idk about Vork but between Wake and Tea I definitely prefer lynching Tea. It looked like his wagon has been deflating while others have gained traction.

That’s because he’s been looking more Townie.

[Luca Blight]

town
{Chemist Billy}
{Layla GE}
---
{Luca Reundo}
{Vork Norwegian}
scum

there's a pretty big difference between the tiers separated by the line btw.

It's funny, at the time of this post I could hardly have disagreed more with these reads.

I'm still wondering why Chemist is a strong TR, though.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: reundo

Also curious about this vote.

[Luca Blight]

Nevermind I see these points were answered later on.

[Luca Blight]

I basically disagree with everything Tea said in the first half of his ISO and agree with everything he's said in the second half.

I feel like he's putting effort into actually sorting people and his reads aren't always convenient, so I feel pretty good about this slot atm.

[Luca Blight]

NorwegianboyEE, it feels like you’re just attacking whoever attacks you. You vote Tea after he suspects you. You then vote me after I vote you. Tea then expands on his suspicion of you and you’re back on him again. It’s all very reactive.

[Luca Blight]

Why is it more dishonest than mine?

[Luca Blight]

You're scumreading Zote for 246, but you're strongly TR'ing Gamma despite that fact he's been using very similar logic in this game?

[Luca Blight]

I’ve played 2 games with Chemist and he was scum in both of them. All he did was lurk. I don’t see anything town indicative from him. Why are you townreading him Tea?

How have you gone from this PoV to Townreading Chemist?

[Luca Blight]

Vorkuta wagon: The main problem i have with Vorkuta right now is that he seems to be much more low-key than his scumplay in haunted village where he was very active and even said shit like "apathetic town loses games!" yeah brilliant Vork. I'm not sure if the difference here is that he has a more subdued townplay or he is trying a different scum tactic of just staying low and not being the center of attention.

And this doesn't suggest a Town-lean. What's changed between now and then?

[Luca Blight]

Tbh your stance on Wake pings me. There is no reason at all to have him as a TL based on his play so far.

Null I could understand, SL I could understand, but TL? It feels like you're overcompensating.

[Luca Blight]

If you're Town then you're displaying some terrible tunnel-vision, especially given it's D1 with so many low-content slots, but tbh I think my read on you is correct.

I don't believe you're reading Tea in a rational manner.

[Luca Blight]

If you're Town then you're displaying some terrible tunnel-vision, especially given it's D1 with so many low-content slots, but tbh I think my read on you is correct.

I don't believe you're reading Tea in a rational manner.

[Luca Blight]

Where's the tunnel vision? I've been cased as scum by Tea, and now i want to flip him because i don't think he's genuine and i know i'm town. That's possibly the best lead i've got so far.

You’re basing your entire view on the game on Tea being scum. That’s tunnel vision.

[Luca Blight]

That might have been a forgivable stance if you had concrete reasoning for SR’ing Tea, but in reality you suspect him because you think his case is bad when 1) it isn’t actually that bad and 2) it’s not as if Townies are immune from making bad cases.

[Luca Blight]

Hmm, you’re starting to seem a little more earnest. I’m willing to take a step back from this.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Vorkuta

I feel like he’s flying under the radar a bit and I don’t like where his vote currently is.

[Luca Blight]

Pretty sure Tea is voting NorwegianboyEE @Mod

[Luca Blight]

I still don’t like Wake but the wagon feels a little cozy atm.

[Luca Blight]

I feel like he’s flying under the radar a bit and I don’t like where his vote currently is.

Why don’t you feel that way about me then?

I only have one vote.

+ you were very low activity as Town last time I played with you so I’m prepared to give you a D1 pass.

[Luca Blight]

The apathy in this game is palpable. Losing enthusiasm to play.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wake88

[Luca Blight]

That’s what happens when most of the players in the game post less than the mod.

[Luca Blight]

Why not ‘take notice’ of those players yourself now?

If you’re Town then you literally have more info than any other town player in the game right now to get stuck into, as there’re 8 players keen on lynching you and you obviously know which way you’re gonna flip.

It feels atm like you’re tentative to name names in case you’re lynched anyway and it gives away more info that can be analyzed D2.

[Luca Blight]

Billy, maybe I’m more ‘hoppy’ due to the fact we’re in a Large Normal?

[Luca Blight]

@Luca

I don't really like the Vorkuta wagon at all - it seems a really easy resting place for scum on D1.

What happened to this?

First you don’t like the Vorkuta wagon, then you join it. What changed?

Vorkuta has done nothing since then.

[Luca Blight]

PM is very easily scumread from previous experience. I’d prefer to give him a pass for D1.

[Luca Blight]

I’m happy with my Wake vote.

Anyone who hasn’t voted meaningfully, do so now as we have 1 day left.

[Luca Blight]

The issue I had with Wake’s posts is the same one I had with that one

It’s making a read on someone without actually evaluating their posts in this game

I liked PM’s earlier posts. I said that already.

I don’t like anything Wake has said or done so far.

[Luca Blight]

PM is very easily scumread from previous experience. I’d prefer to give him a pass for D1.

If PM flips scum can I call this a partner defense

What will you call it if he flips Town?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: PM

L-2, let’s have a claim.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve just noticed that PM hasn’t even been online since this wagon started, so he’s not avoiding/lurking as someone mentioned earlier. There is a really dirty feel about this wagon.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wake

There is no good reason to lynch Pm over Wake that I can see.

[Luca Blight]

I’d rather no lynch than lynch PM without a claim tbh. He has literally not been online since he was wagoned, and this level of activity isn’t unusual for him.

[Luca Blight]

A Wake lynch is better than a no-lynch.

PM is never flipping scum here - look how quickly his wagon built up with zero resistance (other than me, and I know I’m not his partner).

It’s a massively convenient and easy lynch, and there are a number of dubious players on this wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Wake wagon built up quickly too.
You're claiming this wagon is scum motivated even though by your metrics, the Wake wagon would also most likely be scum motivated.

Not as quickly as the Wake wagon, and not as near to deadline. And look how quickly the Wake wagon dissipated.

I’m not saying Wake is definitely scum as I don’t know for sure, but I’m pretty sure PM isn’t flipping red.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen scum lynched in such a manner before based on so little. I don’t know for sure PM’s alignment but I’d be very surprised if he flips scum. It’s way too convenient.

[Luca Blight]

You say you’ll be more involved tomorrow, Wake, but somehow I doubt it. I hope I’m wrong.

[Luca Blight]

Ive played with Pm before in this game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80934&user_select%5B%5D=19170

And I can tell you that everything he’s being scumread for is NAI. I wrongly SR him in that game too, before he became confTown through his PR.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Take that, scum

.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Wake88

I seem to recall Flavor was one of those opposed to a Wake lynch D1.

[Luca Blight]

Oops, got super busy.

Okay, so definitely not wanting Wake for today.

Don’t really want A50 or Zote either.

Currently I don't understand the wagon on Tea.

Could it be boiled down for me please?

Lack of resistance on Tea wagon has me slightly worried.

wow this...does not look good

Sure, but is it town doesn’t look good or scum?

Why would scum contradict themselves so meaninglessly like that

Flavor went out of his way to protect Wake D1.

I could see both Wake88 and A50 being scum tbh.

[Luca Blight]

He’s done nothing that makes me feel he’s Town. He’s posted a lot of fluffy stuff, but his actual content has been dubious at best imo.

It reminds me of the last time I played with Hin - he was tr Day for a similar fluffy style, but from D2 onwards did nothing useful at all.

[Luca Blight]

And he was scum in that game btw.

[Luca Blight]

I can definitely see Scum jumping on my wagon because they think I won't put up much of a fight.

If I get mislynched my wagon will be an excellent starting point.

I'm kinda looking forward to the day you stop talking about how you're a "easy mislynch" and actually start generating some useful content or reads.

This is an underrated post.

[Luca Blight]

*sigh*

I don't have the energy to deal with this moronic wagon.

How is it moronic? You've promised analyses post flip, we've now had five flips and you're still not producing.

What would be a more intelligent wagon, in your view?

[Luca Blight]

To tell you the truth; FL's last spew got to me hard. I don't know whether he included a p in his FoS pile after having been hammered. I guess knowing someone too well can backfire.

If I can bring myself to it, I will probably reread this game as if I've just joined it. I make no promises though as I have been failing to concentrate much of late (since that VLA declaration), and I don't even feel like talking about it.

P-edit: Obviously I have nothing for nor against Wake. All I ask is to give him 48-72 hours to try and post something AI.

I'm getting scummy vibes from this.

[Luca Blight]

I think Luca’s flip flop on the Vorkuta wagon on D1 looks bad, like their reads aren’t genuine.

VOTE: Luca Blight

Why would you expect me to have any strong feelings towards a slot that has produced next to nothing this game?

And why do you only suddenly bring this up now that I’m in the spotlight? It seems opportunistic of you.

[Luca Blight]

@Luca

I don't really like the Vorkuta wagon at all - it seems a really easy resting place for scum on D1.

What happened to this?

First you don’t like the Vorkuta wagon, then you join it. What changed?

Vorkuta has done nothing since then.

Actually you were the one who raised this on D1, and I already answered it. Vorkuta had done literally nothing between my comment about his wagon and my vote on him.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve just realised that literally all Split has done since page 22 is talk about my Vorkuta vote.

[Luca Blight]

The thing is, 12 pages had passed between my initial comment and my vote. The wagon seemed an easy resting place early game: there wasn’t enough to justify such a wagon at that point. The lack of any content for a further 12 pages means the slot requires looking at, because how else am I going to get a read on that slot?

For example, Split mentioning my Vorkuta vote isn’t scummy in itself, but when you consider that the only thing Split has talked about for 24 pages has been my Vorkuta vote then his slot appears far more suspect.

[Luca Blight]

Why am I your preferred lynch?

[Luca Blight]

There’s also currently three candidates, not two.

[Luca Blight]

Going out now, bear in mind I’m L-2.

Will be back in a few hours.

[Luca Blight]

How was my Vorkuta vote bad? Pressuring lurkers/low content slots is rarely a bad thing imo.

[Luca Blight]

Can you elaborate on ‘posturing around wagons’?

[Luca Blight]

I’m not claiming.

[Luca Blight]

Whenever a wagon went up? I’m pretty sure you’re basing that on the Pm wagon only, which was a terrible wagon (as bad as mine) and was never flipping town. Whenever someone gets wagoned so heavily like that based on next to nothing, it’s most likely flipping Town, and I was right. There was no reason at all to lynch Pm over Wake D1.

[Luca Blight]

Never flipping scum, rather.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not claiming.

That's not suspicious at all.

You’re right, considering I’m not even at L-1.

[Luca Blight]

Wake’s whole progression is awful.

I stand by my comment that both Wake and A50 are likely scum. A50 is actually my stronger scumread atm but I’m not sure if that lynch is going to get enough support. Will give my reasoning Tomorrow when I’m on a computer.

[Luca Blight]

Going out now, bear in mind I’m L-2.

Will be back in a few hours.

Why bear it mind? And why a few hours?

What's it got to do with you?

I’m not claiming.

Why not?

Why would I claim?

Whenever a wagon went up? I’m pretty sure you’re basing that on the Pm wagon only, which was a terrible wagon (as bad as mine) and was never flipping town. Whenever someone gets wagoned so heavily like that based on next to nothing, it’s most likely flipping Town, and I was right. There was no reason at all to lynch Pm over Wake D1.

Why are you pretty sure?

Why was it a terrible wagon?

Remark: Look at me? I'm asking questions. I must be town. ~ Luca Blight

Yes I'm sure, and nice misrep. I never implied I

must be town

for asking one relevant question. If you're going to put someone at L-2 without doing anything else all day then the least you can do is explain why you prefer one lynch over another.

All this do distract from the question that you refused to answer; why am I your preferred lynch?

[Luca Blight]

How was my Vorkuta vote bad? Pressuring lurkers/low content slots is rarely a bad thing imo.

Because it's really easy to do tbh

It might be easy to do, but that doesn't mean it's bad or unwarranted. It's not like that's all I did D1.

[Luca Blight]

Why I think A50 is scum:

His play is very similar to the last game where I played against him, where he was was scum. He replaced in with a very similar style; lots of fluffs, no substance, but was generally TR on tone. from the end of D1 continuing into D2 he did absolutely nothing of value. Here is that game: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80583&user_select[]=26995

Other reasons:

The problem is your explanation explains nothing regarding the reason you were poked about it. How does deciding your RVS pre-game affect your given logic?

Allow me to intervene. Like, let's imagine DEB was in here. I probably would have voted him for doublecrossing the town in Korina's GIM. I would have done it regardless of whether I rolled Town or Scum here, because it was decided since Korina's game ended. Both the vote target AND the reason were decided BEFORE I would have known my role/alignment in THIS game.

Sp far I have Gamma. Layla and Zorte as Town Leans, and only Nor as a mild scum lean.

VOTE: Layla opportunistic wagon hop

Vorky's town.. I think.

Easy reads thrown out there without any substance to them.

Tea seesawing Nor could be: (a) Genuine, (b) Scum coming to the rescue of their buddy who had been forced to vote them after having failed to make a distancing maneuver, or (c) Scum WKing someone they know ill flip town.

(a) Tea is Town, Nor is unknown.
(b) Both are scum.
(c) Tea us Scum, Nor is Town.

66% Scum!Tea, 50% Scum!Nor

This is not a natural way of scumhunting. It's just a dressed up way of sitting on the fence. Again, looking busy with zero substance behind it.

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

Here he's trying to look considered in his reads, but it doesn't feel real. Since when is changing one's mind a scum trait? Scum know everyone's alignment, Town don't.

By the time I am at the top of page 4 I am confused. One of Nor, Tea and Luca is scum here. I just dunno which.

This is not a reasonable progression. Page four and he's sure there's one scum in this group, based on what exactly? It's lazy.

Bottom of page 5:

Town pile (nothing carved in stone though): davesaz, Gamma Emerald, Zote the Mighty, Layla, Vorkuta, Chemist1422, Reundo
I want to TR but my gut says no: Flavor Leaf
Absolutely null: Pmysterious12, Fish Monger, Billy Pilgrim, Dunnstral, Wake88, splitfarvle
Scum leans: Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE, Tea (but I'm almost certain not all 3 are scum together and I even think they may only have one scum in them)

Look how easily that group of players made their way into the town pile - it's baseless.

Spoiler:

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

Although, going back to your original post, I'm wondering why exactly you were about to TL me for my first post?

A50 completely ignored this. I still don't get why he would TL me for my first post - it's almost as strange as his decision to SL me for my second.

Hello, friends. I don't have a lot of experience because this is my first time posting to this Large Normal Game, so I ask you to treat me like a simple newbie.

I'm not sure if this is the right play but I'm going to claim jester, I can help everyone find the mafia but only if you promise to lynch me before the last mafia gets lynched.

So far I have read the first couple of pages of this game, and Layla is flailing after people suspected her for her RVS vote so quite suspicious of that. Norwee pushed it for good reasons but his floppity-flipping on it was weird. Zote the Fucking Mighty seems like a really strong player, I want to say something suspicious about him but I'm afraid of what he's capable of and what he'll do if I say it. Can someone else say it please?

I hope everyone enjoyed my catchup, I worked hard to make it.

Found my preferred lynch on scum.

VOTE: Hectic

First off, he asked to be lynched... to win.
Second, seriously, no Jesters is Normals so LAL
Third, he also Amish-told.

I dunno what to say, but the Hectic I know doesn't do all 3, and especially not #3 (I guess it was an attempt to look clueless thus be TR'd for it??)

What happened to this SR? Did A50 just forget about it, as it was never mentioned again.

To tell you the truth; FL's last spew got to me hard. I don't know whether he included a p in his FoS pile after having been hammered. I guess knowing someone too well can backfire.

If I can bring myself to it, I will probably reread this game as if I've just joined it. I make no promises though as I have been failing to concentrate much of late (since that VLA declaration), and I don't even feel like talking about it.

P-edit: Obviously I have nothing for nor against Wake. All I ask is to give him 48-72 hours to try and post something AI.

It feels really fake what he's saying about FL here - just a really bad excuse for not getting involved. This post really aligns with his scum meta from the other game where he's excusing himself for doing nothing. Protecting Wake once again makes me feel an A50/Wake partneship is possible, among other reasons.

Between the 2 candidates; Luca certainly is my preferred lynch. I still would rather Tea though as I have an inexplicable bad gut feeling on him.

VOTE: Luca

This is an awful post, considering his vote casually puts me on L-2. He hasn't given any update on his reads since mid-D1. He's wagoning me but excusing himself from the outcome by saying 'I would rather Tea'. And what happened to his Hectic SR? What about his Norweigan SR? How does he feel about Split? He's not revealing what he thinks about anything.

1160 - Here A50 completely distracts from my relevant question of 'why do you prefer my lynch' by asking me a load of pointless questions and then misrepping me by making out I'm trying to say I'm town for asking a question, which is something I've never done.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50

[Luca Blight]

Also look at how there's been no development in A50's reads. He made up his mind by page four that'd he'd SR me, Nor and Tea, and nothing has changed until now. The only reason I can see he dropped the Nor read was because Gamma told him to:

More Tea votes please

Btw Nor is town

VOTE: Tea

Btw, I don't even drink coffee, so now I'm confined to drinking milk, juice & soda.

He's done no game-solving whatsoever since then, he hasn't questioned or changed his mind on any of his TR's (of which there were many) that I can see.

[Luca Blight]

It's not just that his reads are bad, it's also that his scumhunting had been superficial and he isn't trying to solve the game at all. He decided who he was going to SL in the first few pages (conveniently enough the players with the highest involvement) and he's sat on that since then. He's not trying to solve the game at all, and this is exactly how he played last time as scum.

'

FL's spew got me hard'

is such a lame excuse for his current effort level. Why not just ignore that spew (like I did) and push your supposed SR?

[Luca Blight]

I'm not asking you whether you believe it, I'm asking you to quote posts that you think are you pushing the wagon

Do you believe that Luca is town so much that you would be willing to be the counter wagon?

Do you believe that I'm scum so much that you would be willing to be lynched next after I flip green?

[Luca Blight]

Are you trying to stop the luca wagon for some weird reason?

This is loaded but yes, I think he's been pretty town, and a lot of the people on wagon are worth more scrutiny than Luca himself, pretty much everyone on it except NorwegianboyEE by my reckoning

This is a good point.

For me to be scum you'd have to believe either I'm being needlessly bussed, or that all of Wake88, A50, Spit and Dolly are Town, which seems extremely unlikely.

[Luca Blight]

I don't necessarily, I was countering your question to Dunnstral.

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to be lynched next if you're wrong?

[Luca Blight]

Dolly, are you still continuing your post rating method?

[Luca Blight]

Can you explain that thought process a bit more Gamma?

Why have you suddenly become so low-key?

[Luca Blight]

Thoughts on A50, Split and Wake?

[Luca Blight]

I’m just a bit confused about your progression here.

You’ve gone from voting me ‘for the sake of a counterwagon’, before adding the reasoning ‘posturing over wagons’ when I’d got to L2. You then tried to prompt me into claiming when you thought I was L-1, and didn’t follow up on my response to your added reasoning.

Did you want a counter-wagon or do you just want my lynch full-stop, as you seem completely fine with things as they are right now? Do you think me or Wake are more likely scum? You have no thoughts on Split, but what do you think of his wagon?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Dolly

This is my kind of rush. I’m getting a little excited.

[Luca Blight]

This wagon has a townie feel to it.

[Luca Blight]

It wasn’t a meta case, though. You have been scummy in this game independent anything meta related. The fact your scum meta from the game I posted aligns with your play this game is just a supporting point.

[Luca Blight]

You still haven’t explained how you went from ‘why can’t Luca be scum?’ To ‘I cleared Luca as Town’ in the space of one post.

[Luca Blight]

Why does my wagon dissolving mean I’m Town? Your progression is puzzling.

I’m not sure how you can call Wake town with any certainty for his reaction, either.

[Luca Blight]

Dolly, can you answer my question here, please:

Why does my wagon dissolving mean I’m Town? Your progression is puzzling.

I’m not sure how you can call Wake town with any certainty for his reaction, either.

[Luca Blight]

Will start working on a Reads List relatively soon, starting from Day 3.

Less talk, more action.

[Luca Blight]

Why are they counter wagons to me and not Wake, who was the initial wagon of the day?

Add to that the fact that my wagon consisted of the most dubious players in this game. The Dolly wagon is the purest looking wagon I’ve seen so far in this game.

[Luca Blight]

If you look back you’ll see my wagon was a direct counter to the Wake wagon. NorwegianboyEE’s reason for voting me was even ‘for the sake of a counterwagon’.

[Luca Blight]

I scumread him D1 but I came to TR him due his stance on Tea D1 which seemed earnest. In general I think he progressing the game more than most, but has been a bit more low-key recently as I’ve mentioned. He’s nowhere near my lynch pool for today.

[Luca Blight]

I generally try not to put too much weight on the speed of wagons, especially when they dissolve just as fast. The fact PM was lynched at the end of D1 instead of Wake makes me feel worse about him, though. I SR Wake based on his play this game.

[Luca Blight]

Great minds think alike, Hectic.

[Luca Blight]

I think Wake is quite possibly scum, although A50 is my stronger read. They could be scum together as well imo. Dolly’s recent progression makes no sense to me though, so my vote is staying until she explains it.

[Luca Blight]

so that's a ninja yes

why is he scum on play?

Basically because he’d been excusing himself for not doing anything because he ‘needs a flip’, but now, despite having had five flips, he still hasn’t done anything and has been coasting on my wagon since the spotlight left him alone earlier this day. He keeps saying he’ll do stuff, but never actually does. His vote/SR on me appears to be pure retaliation, from what I can see.

[Luca Blight]

It’s possible, I don’t really look to much into associatives pre-flip, unless something really jumps out at me.

[Luca Blight]

the dolly wagon is not pure looking for shit lol

Are you caught up enough to hold such a view?

If so, what are you reads on those players?

[Luca Blight]

What is your read on Dolly, Menalque?

It does seem strange that you've largely ignored the slot that has the highest wagon.

[Luca Blight]

why are you more interested in dolly than talking to me about the 2 hours of work I just put into casing norway?

I haven't even read your Nor case yet, but I will.

You talk about Nor's progression but what about Dolly's progression on her reads on Wake and me, and saying that she is responsible for 'clearing' us as town?

[Luca Blight]

Fmpov I'm not sure why you can't see that strongly pushing a counterwagon to the Dolly wagon, while not taking a firm view on Dolly, is suspicious, given you immediately SR me for apparently being a counterwagon.

[Luca Blight]

I just looked over Menalque's Nor case. You raise some good points against him tbf, but I find it hard to vote him over someone like A50 who has done nothing but stick with his three SL's since page three without trying to solve or develop his reads. Norweigian's progression is terrible, I'd agree, but at least he HAS progression, unlike A50.

I don't agree with Dunn being scum.

[Luca Blight]

Because I feel like Norwegian's actually been trying to progress the game more than most - his poor progression invites pressure onto himself that he could have avoided. Does it automatically make him Town? No, but there are better candidates imo.

A50 has been lying low, playing it safe while not doing anything to solve the game or push his biggest SR. He's also using excuses for his lack of effort, which he did in the last game I played with him where he was scum. His FL 'spew' excuse was particularly bad.

[Luca Blight]

what do you think dunn would be doing differently here if he were scum?

He might have kept himself more open to my lynch while I was L-2. He was the only one to really speak out against my wagon. He's also shown a similar thought process to my own on a few different occasions.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler: A50's Luca progression

The whole

'crafting an RVS vote before getting a role PM

' thing seems weird to me, though. I could see this being a lie, because I can't imagine why anyone would make an RVS post before the game has even opened.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Layla

I liked you for the post just before this none and was getting ready to move your name to the Town leans group, but this brought you back to the middle group of nulls. It's not scummy it itself, but you voted Tea so I got the impression you were all caught up until that point, so why did you suddenly have that change of heart?

By the time I am at the top of page 4 I am confused. One of Nor, Tea and Luca is scum here. I just dunno which.

Why is it scummy to suddenly have a change of heart?

Because it's a

sudden

change of heart. It feels as if it came off the left side, as if you realized you made a mistake and tried to correct it immediately. Maybe I'm not explaining it the way I should, so just accept that I think it was unwarranted. I had expected you to either stay on Tea for some time (if only for a test reaction) or to have not voted him in the first place.

Like, what if I voted you right now, only to unvote and vote elsewhere (say between Wake/Tea/Nor) in my very next post? How would you feel about me in that hypothetical situation?

Between the 2 candidates; Luca certainly is my preferred lynch. I still would rather Tea though as I have an inexplicable bad gut feeling on him.

VOTE: Luca

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to be lynched next if you're wrong?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but if it was my answer would be

definitely yes

.

He liked my first post, but had me as a SL for changing my mind on my opening vote. He maintains this SR based on this until D3, despite me being the second highest poster in the game. There is no development in his read on me or Tea whatsoever, despite Tea also being one of the more involved players. He drops his Nor SR literally because Gamma told him to.

He then says he is so confident I'm scum he would be willing to take the next lynch if I flipped Town. What is this confidence based on exactly? He's just retaliating after my points made against him.

[Luca Blight]

A50 literally asked to be lynched in the last game I played with him where he was scum. His play is very similar to this game. I don't want to hear meta arguments supporting him.

[Luca Blight]

This is where he drops his Nor SR:

Also look at how there's been no development in A50's reads. He made up his mind by page four that'd he'd SR me, Nor and Tea, and nothing has changed until now. The only reason I can see he dropped the Nor read was because Gamma told him to:

More Tea votes please

Btw Nor is town

VOTE: Tea

Btw, I don't even drink coffee, so now I'm confined to drinking milk, juice & soda.

He's done no game-solving whatsoever since then, he hasn't questioned or changed his mind on any of his TR's (of which there were many) that I can see.

[Luca Blight]

Menalque, you're using meta to defend A50, so what can you tell me about Norweigian?

Is poor progression entirely scum-indicative from him?

[Luca Blight]

Has he not been OMGUSy this game?

[Luca Blight]

Ok I'm willing to go along with this. I have noticed a difference in Norwegian from his last Town game with me as well. I was TR'ing based on his Tea reconsideration, but now Menalque highlights it it does seem a bit suspect how he entirely dropped his SR purely based on who Tea's main account is.

VOTE: NorwegianBoyEE

[Luca Blight]

I've skimmed, and it looks like Luca claims I have maintained my THREE SRs from page 3 AND that I dripped mt SR on Tea based on Gamma's direction, and I feel like asking WHICH IS IT? Did I maintain my SR on Tea/Luca/Nor or did I drop the Tea SR. That's for starters.

I never said you dropped the Tea SR, I said you dropped the Nor SR because Gamma told you to. So you went from having three SL's to two SL's since page 3.

Second, he says I am not pushing my strongest SR when I'm actually voting him right now. Unless he's a mind reader and saw that in my mind he is not my biggest SR right now I don't understand that one either.

You said earlier Tea was your preferred lynch? you then became unreasonably confident that I'm scum because I cased you, without ever saying why you think I'm scum.

Third, I also don't understand his argument about him being the top poster. What's wrong with me scum reading the majority of your content/activity. I've even mimicked you already, You ask hollow questions and you respond to questions with other questions.

My point was that you SL the three most involved players in the game, and yet your reads haven't developed since p3 (apart from dropping the Nor read).

How was asking '

why am I your preferred lynch'

a hollow question? That's a pretty standard question to find out if your reasons for putting me to L-2 are genuine or not. You have twice ignored that question, and your 'mimicking' was a pure distraction technique from that.

On other news I am starting to get worried about Gamma. He has been parking his vote on me for almost 48 hours now. It's not exactly a scumtell, but almost. Feels like he's comfortable vanity wagoning me rather than decide between actual lynch candidates of the day.

Finally...

VOTE: Nor

This has been one of my 3 SRs (that never changed since page 3), so I don't mind voting there, although tbh I was starting to get pocketed by him defending me.

I really don't like this. A50 is doing the bare minimum - posting just before prod range every time, and now he's happy to vote along with the guy who he's sure is scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: A50

[Luca Blight]

and now he's happy to vote along with the guy who he's sure is scum.

This goes to show how far you don't get anything about my play, as I said earlier:

One of Nor, Tea and Luca is scum here. I just dunno which.

Now why wouldn't I be willing to lynch ANY of my top 3 SRs when I think ONLY ONE is actually Scum? If Nor flips red THEN I may reconsider my reads on you and Tea.

You said that on page 17.

On page 50 you said this:

Are you so sure that I'm scum that you're willing to be lynched next if you're wrong?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but if it was my answer would be

definitely yes

.

You were so sure I was scum you would be willing to be lynched next if I flipped Town, and yet now you're happy to vote alongside me?

But NO. You want me to think the way YOU want me to think and play the way YOU want me to play. And you wonder why I hate your play and think it's bloody scummy AF.

Let's do this. Either way I'm a winner tbh, as I don't have to stay in this hell with you any longer.

VOTE: Luca

This is just AtE.

Do you think I'm unreasonable to suspect you for not trying to game-solve and being set in your reads from page 3 onwards? What would you have to do to warrant being scumread in your view?

[Luca Blight]

Dolly, can you explain why my wagon dissolving makes me town cleared?

[Luca Blight]

I feel like there's been an unreasonable amount of resistance to the A50 wagon this game, considering how easily others have been run up to L-2.

[Luca Blight]

A50 only has two votes, which is the most he’s had all game.

Why would a Scum!Luca wagon not lose steam?

[Luca Blight]

NorwegianboyEE, what do you think of Menalque’s case against you?

And what do you think about the subsequent votes on your wagon?

[Luca Blight]

That’s a pretty good defence. I think NorwegianboyEE is Town.

[Luca Blight]

Menalque, I could just as easily say you’re scum who is trying to defend Dolly/A50 and direct to NorwegianboyEE.

A50 is far worse than NorwegianboyEE yet is getting a free pass from many.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve always thought that, but no-one is willing to vote A50 for some reason. I was willing to compromise on NorwegianboyEE, but now I think he’s Town.

[Luca Blight]

A50 has had no more than 2 votes on him this game, despite doing nothing but sit on a few reads he decided on in the first pages of the game and make excuses, yet others are getting run up to L-2 with ease. Why is that?

[Luca Blight]

what's your read on wake, Luca?

I told you already that I SR Wake, although not as much as A50.

[Luca Blight]

has anyone been prosecuting A50?

I have, why?

[Luca Blight]

I’ve been pushing him for a while now but no-one seems to agree with me. Gamma has voted him but thats it.

[Luca Blight]

what's your read on wake, Luca?

I told you already that I SR Wake, although not as much as A50.

and dolly too?

Less so.

[Luca Blight]

I'm trying to understand why you think I might be scum with dolly/A50

I don’t particularly SR you right now, I was countering your argument as you seemed to be suggesting I’m scum with NorwegianboyEE - fmpov the same applies to you and A50/Dolly as you’re defending them and pushing hard elsewhere.

[Luca Blight]

I just said, I was countering your argument for me being scum.

[Luca Blight]

Look how easily the other wagons picked up in comparison.

[Luca Blight]

And I don’t know what more I could do to push A50 than repeat the same stuff over and over?

NorwegianboyEE is far more active than A50, who only pops in when it’s almost prod time, so of course you’re going to have more interactions.

[Luca Blight]

Is Wake going to post his reads as promised or will he just lurk out the rest of the day?

@Nor: I’m leaning Town on Menalque regardless atm.

[Luca Blight]

And I don’t know what more I could do to push A50 than repeat the same stuff over and over?

NorwegianboyEE is far more active than A50, who only pops in when it’s almost prod time, so of course you’re going to have more interactions.

I don't see you engaging multiple players and trying to get them to vote him

even now you're mostly engaging me and trying to turn me off norway

I have been engaging players - each time I get meta shit in response and each time I refute it.

Your last sentence is simply not true.

[Luca Blight]

I’ll do both of those things later when I’m on a computer, I don’t feel like searching through a lot of stuff right now.

[Luca Blight]

Wake owes us a reads list at the very least.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Wake88

- Protected by both dead scum
- promised reads but ended up lurking out the day (as I anticipated)
- enters D4 with a guilty mindset

[Luca Blight]

But you promised reads, and never delivered. You deliberately lurked out the day.

[Luca Blight]

Did A50 give you lessons on how to make excuses?

[Luca Blight]

Of course you do.

I’m odd-night vig. I killed Billy N1 and A50 N3.

Today we’re lynching Wake - it’s long overdue.

[Luca Blight]

I was going to kill Wake N1 but changed my mind last minute.

[Luca Blight]

Wake is making excuse after excuse for not doing anything. He’s never going to do anything, and if he’s Town (unlikely) will never be NK either. He needs lynching today.

I’m out atm but can make a case later if need be.

[Luca Blight]

Dolly, the Flavor wagon holds no weight whatsoever as he was confscum at that point.

[Luca Blight]

Luca wasn't on any of the lynch wagons???

That makes me want to put Luca has my #1 SR...

IDK.

I think at least pressuring him is merited.

This is the second time that Wake has tried to provoke Dolly into voting me so he could hop on after, and on both occasions I was already voting him.

[Luca Blight]

Chennis I can take the time and pet them like a barking Labrador and calm them down.

Menalque’s all fine and dandy until I start to pet him

What the fick
Also VOTE: wake

I don't want to lynch wake. I'm biased and I confess to it. I want to play with him some, so maybe let him be till D2. I don't have a solid read on him though, so I'm not going to fight against the wagon too hard, but I certainly am not going to vote him unless someone brings up some solid evidence why he should be the lynch today.

+1

He also always had a tendency to take heat really easily, so even if that weren’t the case, I still have reason to not want that wagon today.

Both of the confirmed scum went out of their way to protect their buddy Wake D1.

[Luca Blight]

By the way, I do think we could have proceeded without the vig claim

I think it benefits town more that I claim now - scum could probably figure out who the vig was, given I was the only one who wanted an A50 lynch, and it’s beneficial to have a named townie for at least one day.

[Luca Blight]

@Luca why did you change from doing A50 to billy N1?

I wasn’t going to do A50 N1, I was going to kill Wake and had him set as my kill until just before deadline. After reviewing some of Billy’s stuff I had a gut scumread there so changed my kill.

[Luca Blight]

This wagon is a joke.

There's literally no reason to even be voting me.

I'm at L-1. I'm not going to put effort into fighting this wagon because a lot of you are just dumb, and aren't listening.

Good job, Luca. You

totally

caught Scum. I don't care anymore.

So why is it ok for me to me ‘pressured’ for no reason but not for you to be?

And that’s ignoring that there is actually plenty of reason for you to be suspected, and if you were Town you’d probably at least acknowledge that.

[Luca Blight]

Lynching Wake -> Dolly -> Menalque wouldn’t be a bad way to go.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t like Pisskop either though tbh. Davesaz is a little in the shadows.

Luca, Dunn, Tea and Reundo should be the Town core for the time being.

[Luca Blight]

I can see where Dunn is coming from not trusting Dolly or Menalque, I feel the same atm. There is something disingenuous in how Menalque has approached the game, lasering in on certain things and ignoring others. I’ll put my finger on it tomorrow when I’m on a computer.

I’m struggling to see how Wake can be Town here though based on play alone.

[Luca Blight]

What should I be townreading you for, Wake?

[Luca Blight]

Yet you’re outraged whenever anyone scumreads you...

[Luca Blight]

Oops, scum slip?

[Luca Blight]

And why is it ok for me to be pressured for no reason but not for you to be?

[Luca Blight]

Idgaf about reads lists as long as you are proactive and trying to solve the game, but you aren’t, at all.

As you saw with A50, all your excuses and AtE won’t wash with me.

[Luca Blight]

How is it for no reason when I clearly stated three reasons along with the vote?

VOTE: Wake88

- Protected by both dead scum
- promised reads but ended up lurking out the day (as I anticipated)
- enters D4 with a guilty mindset

Just because you ignore the reasons doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

[Luca Blight]

And how was i tunneling you, given I was pushing A50 as my strongest SR yesterday and even shot him last night?

And given I just stated I don’t like multiple other players in the game like Dolly and Menalque.

[Luca Blight]

If you didn’t read a good portion of D3 why are you assuming I’ve been tunneling you the whole time?

The third point is referring to your entrance today - Scum was killed and you’re wallowing in self-pity expecting to be scumread.

And I’ve been badgering you to do stuff as you keep making promises and failing to deliver. Until you start doing some decent work I have literally no reason at all to change my mind on you. As I said, I’m not buying any AtE or excuses. Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.

[Luca Blight]

Luca, are you currently Townreading Tea?

If you’d read my recent posts you’d know the answer to that.

[Luca Blight]

Wake, your analysis is very self-centred.

Why weren’t you calling the votes on the PM, Luca, Norwegian and Dolly wagons ‘opportunistic’?

Why is your vote on my wagon yesterday not ‘opportunistic’ for the same reason?

[Luca Blight]

Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.

Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?

There has been resistance to your wagon on previous days, however, including by both of the dead scum members.

There would only be one other scum left besides yourself, so not a lot of room left for resistance.

[Luca Blight]

I said one other scum beside yourself, which makes four.

And there’s no reason to believe this is a multi-ball.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.

[Luca Blight]

If was SK then I’d have lost already by claiming vig, as scum will NK me regardless.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.

...I don't know if that's not the case though...

You’re just trying to muddy the waters/discredit my opinion. It should be pretty obvious after a few moments thought that I’m not SK.

[Luca Blight]

Omegalul if Wake Menalque and Dolly are all town and scum turns out to be a deepwolf

If those three are all Town then Town doesn’t deserve to win. Add in Davesaz and Pisskop to that as well. I’d like to think the remaining 2 scum are within that group of five. Wake remains my strongest SR.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not worried, I’m pretty sure I’ll be the next NK anyway.

[Luca Blight]

I think the way you (Dolly) and Wake have played has been poor from a town perspective, especially Wake. I can elaborate later when I’m not phone posting. Menalque to a lesser extent as his Nor case had some merit, but he was tunneling. NorwegianboyEE himself could have played his role better and shouldn’t have self-voted.

[Luca Blight]

Vig's can't be scum aligned anymore in normals either

Unless he is a Serial Killer.

You’re just trying to muddy the waters/discredit my opinion. It should be pretty obvious after a few moments thought that I’m not SK.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Menalque

I think I prefer this over a Dolly lynch right now.

I don’t like how he’s zoned in on certain slots and basically ignored others. I don’t like his tunneling of Norwegian. I don’t like how he enters the day excusing his play from Yesterday before just sheeping me - he lacks curiosity in this game and hasn’t done much to sort anyone.

I don’t like how he tried to set me up upon entering the thread based purely on how he interpreted the wagons. He also seems to be missing things as though he’s skimming and not reading properly.