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Wake1 · Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:12 am

In post 1761, Reundo wrote:VOTE: Wake88

Up for lynching Dolly today as well.

In post 1771, Hectic wrote:VOTE: Wake

Turns out even Norwee is a self-voter. My faith in MS has been shattered.

Without reasoning these also seem opportunistic.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:12 am

In post 1847, Wake1 wrote:Luca, are you currently Townreading Tea?

If you’d read my recent posts you’d know the answer to that.

Wake1 · Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:15 am

In post 1849, Luca Blight wrote:Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.

Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?

Luca Blight · Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:17 am

Wake, your analysis is very self-centred.

Why weren’t you calling the votes on the PM, Luca, Norwegian and Dolly wagons ‘opportunistic’?

Why is your vote on my wagon yesterday not ‘opportunistic’ for the same reason?

Luca Blight · Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:19 am

In post 1852, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1849, Luca Blight wrote:Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.
Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?

There has been resistance to your wagon on previous days, however, including by both of the dead scum members.

There would only be one other scum left besides yourself, so not a lot of room left for resistance.

Wake1 · Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:19 am

In post 1853, Luca Blight wrote:Wake, your analysis is very self-centred.

Why weren’t you calling the votes on the PM, Luca, Norwegian and Dolly wagons ‘opportunistic’?

Why is your vote on my wagon yesterday not ‘opportunistic’ for the same reason?

Because I was rather angry with you.

They could very well be opportunistic as well. I don't know. I only know what I know.

I am very self-centered when I play, and I understand how that can hinder my Townplay at times.

Wake1 · Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:22 am

In post 1854, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1852, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1849, Luca Blight wrote:Either you do some genuine game-solving or my vote is staying parked on you today.
Luca, given the extreme lack of resistance to my wagon today, does that tell you anything?
There has been resistance to your wagon on previous days, however, including by both of the dead scum members.

There would only be one other scum left besides yourself, so not a lot of room left for resistance.

If Scum that I was useful to them they would likely defend me only to see me lynched later should they be lynched. It's a common tactic Scum use.

Do we know there's only one other Scum, or that this isn't Multiball? If it's not multiball I'm assuming there's 4 members, not 3.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:23 am

I said one other scum beside yourself, which makes four.

And there’s no reason to believe this is a multi-ball.

Wake1 · Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:26 am

The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a Town faction versus a single groupscum faction, where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

That last sentence REALLY bothers me, because it says it's not public knowledge whether OTHER alignments exist in the game. It doesn't specifically say there's only Town and one Scum faction and that's it. If that's what the mod wanted he would have made that very clear. This to me means that PUBLICLY we have no knowledge on there being other alignments in this game. This means there COULD be another Mafia team OR, I think, a Serial Killer. Like 3-4 Mafia and an SK.

Obviously this could conflict with your Vig claim.

I really would like our mod to clarify this once and for all.

Wake1 · Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:27 am

In post 1857, Luca Blight wrote:I said one other scum beside yourself, which makes four.

And there’s no reason to believe this is a multi-ball.

I'm not as sure as you are, and I think as Town it's wise to be more doubtful and careful.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:29 am

I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.

Wake1 · Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:37 am

In post 1860, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.

...I don't know if that's not the case though...

Dolly Parton · Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:54 am

In post 1858, Wake1 wrote:

I really would like our mod to clarify this once and for all.

I don't think mod will do this because the description is in line with normal game guidelines and we are not playing with an open setup.

We have to assume that there is vig/sk because why would scum shoot A50.

And the odd-night claim fits with the NKs. IMO it doesn't really matter right now if it's SK,/Vig etc.. because getting scum is what's best right now.

I think it's too early for a mass claim but perhaps tomorrow if we mislynch and scum puts us down to 6v2. But we can cross that bridge if/when it gets here.

And as to you question as to why I jumped in on your wagon. It felt right. I want to see if/how it builds and if it gets close to a lynch then I will re-revaluate my stance. Right now it's just an info-getting-vote, if you will.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:35 am

Votecount 4.02

Wake88

(4): Luca Blight, Reundo, Hectic, Dolly Parton

Dolly Parton

(2): Dunnstral, pisskop

Not Voting

(4): Tea, davesaz, Wake88, Menalque

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-18 20:30:00)

Dolly Parton · Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:15 am

I can't recall is wake has already claimed or not.

Hectic · Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:23 am

In post 1817, Wake1 wrote:Menalque, Hectic, Reundo, and Dolly all were very quick to jump on the wagon, for NO reason.

Luca initiated the wagon. Tea held back.

Scum is definitely on my wagon. I don't know if it's Luca because he's obstinate and narrow-minded and has been tunneling on me all game.

But the other 4? Those I worry about the most.

I've been scumreading you all game. And was voting for you throughout yesterday, pretty sure I've given reasons too.

I'm on holiday so I won't be able to contribute much.

Hectic · Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:25 am

In post 1860, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.

So you're claiming odd-night serial killer? I had faith in you, Luca.
Don't worry, I won't tell anyone if you promise not to kill me.

Menalque · Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:25 am

Where are you on holiday hectic?

Hectic · Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:25 am

In post 1864, Dolly Parton wrote:I can't recall is wake has already claimed or not.

Can we get an update on your points totals? Those were pretty fun to look at.

Hectic · Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:26 am

In post 1867, Menalque wrote:Where are you on holiday hectic?

JBR, Dubai. Went on a desert safari today which was pretty fun. Scuba diving tomorrow which I'm a little apprehensive for...

Hectic · Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:28 am

In post 1782, Wake1 wrote:This wagon is a joke.

There's literally no reason to even be voting me.

I'm at L-1. I'm not going to put effort into fighting this wagon because a lot of you are just dumb, and aren't listening.

Good job, Luca. You
totally
caught Scum. I don't care anymore.

This feels so unbelievably constructed and fake, though this might be my anti-Wake bias kicking in again.

Hectic · Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:30 am

Why are you against lynching Wake now, Dunnstral?

davesaz · Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:48 am

My time is limited today, need to drive ~4 hours round trip to get my daughter from the airport, and my son has a concert. It's been fairly crazy for a couple of weeks...
I may finally have a handle on reading A50, pretty happy about that.
To distinguish between vig and sk I'd need to do a closer review of things. Both are hunting mafia but from different angles.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:02 pm

If was SK then I’d have lost already by claiming vig, as scum will NK me regardless.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:07 pm

In post 1861, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1860, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t think it’s possible to have two scum teams in a normal unless clearly stated. The only thing that’s possible is if I’m the SK, but I obviously know that’s not the case.
...I don't know if that's not the case though...

You’re just trying to muddy the waters/discredit my opinion. It should be pretty obvious after a few moments thought that I’m not SK.