uh...I usually am playing in 3-4 games at one time. I got NKed N1 in 3 games in a row recently.Albert B. Rampage wrote:You and Elias really crawled out the woodwork this time, eh ?
Bandwagon to Victory!
yes, though I dont see how thats relevant.Ectomancer wrote:Were you town in all 3 games?Elias_the_thief wrote:uh...I usually am playing in 3-4 games at one time. I got NKed N1 in 3 games in a row recently.Albert B. Rampage wrote:You and Elias really crawled out the woodwork this time, eh ?
vote: ABR
Bandwagon to Victory!
I've mentioned nothing that cannot be seen by going and looking at those game threads, and have not speculated at all about anything that is unknown. Further, talking about ongoing games is something the moderater should deal with, not players. Go back to playing.shaft.ed wrote:Elias are those games ongoing?
vote: Eliasfor maybe talking about ongoing games
heh, says the guy who got GD banned for flooding with pointless threads.ABR wrote:Elias gets off'ed because he's the most annoying player in the game.
lulz...?pickemgenius wrote:damn.... i've been had.shaft.ed wrote:HAHA! that was not 48 pages.pickemgenius wrote:when am I not the general.....shaft.ed wrote:Why does this post make me feel like I'm the infantryman and you're the general?pickemgenius wrote:FOS: COOL
not feeling a surye lynch.
that is all. Be back in like 48 pages.
That is all.SCORE
me too. though im not really complaining. I'm just explaining my take on the game, which is that nothing relevant has happened. I dont see how this is any different from saying that relevant things HAVE happened, except that you dont agree with it. Therefore I'm OBVIOUSLY complaining.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote: I love how both of you are complaining that nothing relevant has happened while you both also are saying nothing relevant for pretty much the whole game.
Why should we trust the meta of a player who has led to her repetitive lynch as town, and led to games lost multiple times?Albert B. Rampage wrote:She's doing exactly what she does as scum. Not only this, but she's doing what most players do with me as scum. Knee-jerk reaction, OMGUS, back-peddling, faking emotional flareups, its all black on white.
You'd think that something like this would warrant a vote lasting more than a few hours. It has the classic "A-HA, I GOT YOU NOW SCUMZZOR!" context to it.Adel wrote:unvote, vote: Albert B. Rampage
he even did us the courtesy of digging his own grave
As soon as I say "lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong", she immediately backs down because her game is one of survival first and foremost.
Anyone with a meta on her could be sensible to the funny vibes she's putting off in this game.
Look, her accusation of me wanting to lynch her for out of game reasons is utter nonsense.
Um...so are you telling me that pushing a completely baseless wagon on Adel even when it has completely died down IS in the towns best interests? Are you telling me that suggesting we abandon the game is in the town's best interests? Are you telling me that lying and using shotty logic to push the aforementioned baseless wagon is in the towns best interest? Especially when calling for the Adel lynch derailed what little activity we had and distracted from the wagons at hand? Asking for a claim seems like a VERY small offense when compared to what ABR has exhibited. Not to mention I'd support a policy lynch on ABR for repetitively lynching Adel baselessly in games without regard to alignment or win condition. Coolbot askedthe silent speaker wrote:Because idiocy is not a hangng offense, Elias, whereas pushing people to do what is not in the town's best interests is one. Claiming is not in the town's best interests as long as the claimant has non-claiming options. Most especially so in a meta-breaking game.
Um...it was day 1 dude. Thats what you do. She hasnt changed her vote since she became serious, except to unvote and revote you.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm voting her because of her wishy washy voting,
You were voting her originally long before this. Even so, she was only off briefly...how does it benefit scum to stay off a wagon for about 2 posts, exactly, only to jump back on?Albert B. Rampage wrote:going strongly for me, getting off when its bad, coming back on when its opportune.
Um...thats why you've lynched her four times as town? I highly doubt you have a grasp on her playstyle.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm voting her for variances in her playstyle between scum and town. I pick up on her emotional flareups and I distinguish real versus fake.
Which arguments are these?Albert B. Rampage wrote:She's using arguments only unknowledgeable players would take for face value. Scummy as heck.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Last time she was scum I nailed her and her team.
Albert B. Rampage wrote:One of the time before that she was a doctor and got lynched by the majority because she "unclaimed" doctor after hammering a townie and posting some scummy shit.
what about that exchange possibly gave you a town feel about ABR...the part where he admitted that he was bullshitting that entire case, or the bullshitted case itself?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:The most recent exchanges gave me town vibes from both ABR and Elias. On the other hand CoolBot is overwhelmingly on top with his defeatist "I'm expendable" comment.
with the entire post or just one of the statements made?Ectomancer wrote:I disagree.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:The most recent exchanges gave me town vibes from both ABR and Elias. On the other hand CoolBot is overwhelmingly on top with his defeatist "I'm expendable" comment.
He seems genuine in his efforts? What kind of BS is that? If a scum is genuine in his efforts to quicklynch a townie, is that a town tell? If the answer is no (which it better be) then why is being genuine in leading a completely baseless wagon on obvioulsy terrible meta when all of your arguments have been soundly defeated without proper response possibly a town tell either?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:@Elias:
ABR just seems genuine in his efforts, even though it is somewhat twisted and may very well be wrong. And this is a significant improvement over his play earlier in the day where he had displayed no interest at all.
I'll have to quote my good friend IH on this one...the silent speaker wrote:And, I want to add for emphasis:Untrue. It is extremely scummy. The word you seek is 'rolefishing'.Coolbot asked for a claim which isnt really that scummy.
He wasn't rolefishing, he was asking for a claim at a reasonable time...are you trying to say that all reasonable requests for claims are now fishing?IH wrote:Rolefishing is fishing for someones role. It's called fishing because it recquires subtlety. When you grab a shotgun and start firing into the water, thats not fishing.
I was hoping you might respond to this...i dont understand why you attacked me and ignored the people on the coolbot wagon. Wagoning a townie to death is a lot more suspicious than attacking a player without success only to find after his nightkill that hes town. Please explain your actions.Elias_the_thief wrote:I stand by my ABR attacks. ABR is an idiot, and his play was suspicious. I'm curious as to why you're looking at me as opposed to players that were advocating the Coolbot lynch based on NOTHING. Thats who Ive got my eye on today, once I reread.
You know, there's a reason no one has heard of your "standard tells". Its because theyre unreliable. Show me evidence that town doesnt do this just as much if they feel the attacked is undeserving of the attack.Tarhalindur wrote:I finally had a chance to reread Day 1 with an eye for Adel connections, and I noticed this.
The rationale behind this vote makes it pretty clear to me that this is a case of Chainsaw Defense, which is not only a Tarhalindur Standard Tell (see the Wiki page linked in my sig for explanation) but also the most reliable of the Standard Tells at this time. What's more, it's Chainsaw DefenseElias_the_thief wrote:wait, farside, what unvote and lack of doing anything are you talking about? Last I checked Adels vote was on ABR, though a post may have gone by when it wasnt...
Anyways, I thought this Adel wagon was just some random thing that ABR pulled our of his ass, I didnt realize it was a retarded ongoing campaign of ruining games without reason. Not only is it worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion, Adels responses basically destroyed anything he was trying to say, as he called momentum stopping scummy, and at the same time was trying to get the game abandoned. Not to mention that the creation of a baseless wagon on Adel totally derails the only activity that we had going at the time. So yeah.unvote, vote: ABRfor a known scum, which is even more damning.
I need to PBPA Elias, but I don't really have time for any full PBPA's right now. In the meantime...
Unvote, Vote: Elias_the_Thief
where did i insult him? I wasnt frustrated at all, I simply pointed out that his tell is faulted and asked for evidence to back it up. I've got plenty of evidence against it *points to Tars 6-12 town record*Xtoxm wrote:I find that insulting people tends to come from scum.
I think I could go with a Elias lynch.
So wait, you accept his tell without ANY evidence that it has EVER been reliable? And when he says its one of his standard tells? Um, given his town record, he is obviously not a good scumhunter, and his tells obviously DONT WORK.Xtoxm wrote:That is not evidence. If you find proof that this particular tell was the cause for most/all the losses, then you might have a point. Otherwise, it's completely irrelevant.*points to Tars 6-12 town record*
Oh, thats a real good reason to suspect someone. "IXtoxm wrote: My take on what you did was that you were being insulting.
Um...I've proven that i do it as town. Therefore, whether or not I do it as scum is irrelevant. Its a null tell. So therefore your tell has been proven ineffective for me, unless you feel that using nulltells is a good way to catch scum.Xtoxm wrote:You have not proven it. If you did it only twice as town, but every game as scum it would still classify as a scum-tell.Further, I've just proven that your insulting tell doesnt work for me. Its still your move.
Yeah, this is very interesting. I'd like an explanation as well, as to what "relationships" made ABR seem so town.Kison wrote:Ok, I took the liberty of rereading from page 13 on. A couple of things of interest :
Gorrad wrote:Ok, so I don't like Coolbot, Adel, or ABR. However, given claims and relationships, I think ABR's the most likely town. Adel and Coolbot are both almost definitely scum, but the amount of buddying Coobot's
proven scum that started the wagon jumped off for no good reason when it got serious? How is that not good enough reason?pickemgenius wrote:shaft.ed wrote:So I really need to devote more time to this game.
Can we bandwagon Surye already?
so.... still not seeing where this is a good idea...
Um...the proven town wasn't the one who started it, and also had better reasons to jump off then a delayed reaction to a dumb joke, which was Adel's reason. Adel didnt go to the coolbot wagon from you actually, so I dunno how thats connected to Adel jumping off your wagon at all. I'm not even sure what youre trying to say at the end.Surye wrote:Proven town tried to derail it too. And? It wasn't until coolbot started playing bad that the wagon on me derailed. Adel's play absolved her of any responsibility if I had been lynched, and shown as town.Elias_the_thief wrote:proven scum that started the wagon jumped off for no good reason when it got serious? How is that not good enough reason?pickemgenius wrote:shaft.ed wrote:So I really need to devote more time to this game.
Can we bandwagon Surye already?
so.... still not seeing where this is a good idea...
unvote, vote: surye
Good question. I "was insulting". Having played with me, I'm sure you know how much that meansshaft.ed wrote:What did Elias do again?
Translation: My only given reason for suspecting him has fallen but I dont want to admit it so I will now make references to my own secret reasons which you cant know. At least until I think of them.xtoxm wrote:That's a factor, yes, but it's not the only thing.
You're silly. Try reading the links to games I posted where I've shown that being insulting is an integral part of my play as town and scum, making it a null tell when applied to me and completely useless.Xtoxm wrote:It has not fallen out, it stands.
Why. Stop bullshitting and tell me what it is about my play that you find scummy.Xtoxm wrote:And you just generally look scummy to me.