Lol, I bet youre voting me because I'm too defensive. Or too abrasive. I ahte this site so muchthe silent speaker wrote:Vote: Elias
Gorrad: Kison
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Elias sorry if you're town, but if you are you've fallen into a bucketload of scummy circumstances. You've been on the wrong side of two dead scum. I realize this is your townie playstyle and am not voting you for your abrasion, in fact it makes me much less sure about the choice, but I think you are the proper play given the circumstances.Elias_the_thief wrote:Lol, I bet youre voting me because I'm too defensive. Or too abrasive. I ahte this site so muchthe silent speaker wrote:Vote: Elias
Gorrad: Kison
If you know this is my town playstyle why the fuck are you voting me...? If by circumstances you mean your PM says scum then sure.shaft.ed wrote:I realize this is your townie playstyle and am not voting you for your abrasion, in fact it makes me much less sure about the choice, but I think you are the proper play given the circumstances.
Gorrad is dying tomorrow. Period. He will not be pushing anything. If he's pro-town, he'll understand, if he's SK, tough shit. In case I don't make it to tomorrow, no one forget that.the silent speaker wrote:Actually, the most important thing on my mind was getting in a vote under the wire to lynch someone in my top few. But it's not playstyle that put you on the short list, if that makes you feel any better.
Gorrad, if you kill me, when I come up town I want you to push shaft.ed. Push him hard, since I will no longer be able to.
That's our EliasElias_the_thief wrote:If you know this is my town playstyle why the fuck are you voting me...? If by circumstances you mean your PM says scum then sure.shaft.ed wrote:I realize this is your townie playstyle and am not voting you for your abrasion, in fact it makes me much less sure about the choice, but I think you are the proper play given the circumstances.
Are you telling me you still think Surye is scum? It's not that Surye necessarily should have claimed. It's that traditionally, when one hits L-2, or when someone feels they're close to being lynched, demanding a claim in order to better gage whether or not that person is scum as a last ditch attempt to prove their innocence is a good move. If the wagon dies and they're no longer in danger of being lynched, it's the Town's responsibility to put them back there if they want that claim. Otherwise, I do not see the point of forcing someone to claim if the Town does not even find them suspicious enough to threaten them with a lynch. It's a very simple concept, brosef.Elias_the_thief wrote:The initial demand for claim was justified, as in he was sufficiently suspicious. Why the fuck does that go away when his scumbuddies jump off the wagon?Kison wrote: Many times it has been explained how Coolbat's demand for a Surye claim was ridiculous. The initial claim was not so much of a problem. It was the continued demand for one after his wagon was no longer existent, and you defended this.
Was Adel supported all around? Were those supporting ABR scum? Why should scum support ABR if they can justifiably support their scumbuddy? It's not that you supported Adel with bad reason, it's that you backed her when she was butting heads with ABR. This is hardly damning in itself, but it fits what I would see scum doing. Therefore it is worth noting.Elias wrote:But not something that should be evidence against me. Defending Adel WAS THE RIGHT PROTOWN MOVE AT THE TIME as the case against her was shit.Kison wrote: ABR is always retarded. Perhaps you were justified in supporting Adel, but it is something I will note nontheless considering she is scum.
Very well. You didn't think we should lynch him. Did you feel that the bandwagon derailment warranted forcing a claim out of him? How far did you want to bring that wagon? Because my entire point is that the bandwagon derailment, to me, was not as indicative of Surye being scum as you seem to believe. Also, you have implied you suspected him for other reasons. What are those other reasons? I find it funny that you insisted you had those other reasons, and when I pointed out that you only used that derailment as a reason, you dropped that point and turned the focus onto semantics.Elias wrote:Wow...since when have I ever used random bandwagons to support lynching? Have you actually played with me before or no? Why is it my job to keep you informed as to my top candidates for lynching at all times? To me it seems that just tells who I'm willing to be convinced to vote for if they make a BS case. I had no top pick for lynch. My top suspect was Surye but I was in no convinced that I should lynch him.Kison wrote:This :Elias wrote:-What in fucks name made you think I actually wanted Surye lynched over just that? We all know how well pressure works if you say its just pressure
Perhaps lynched is the wrong word, but your top pick for lynch candidate, AKA bandwagoning, yes. If he was not your top pick, please tell me who was, and where you mentioned that they were your top pick at that time.Elias_the_thief wrote:proven scum that started the wagon jumped off for no good reason when it got serious?pickemgenius wrote:shaft.ed wrote:So I really need to devote more time to this game.
Can we bandwagon Surye already?
so.... still not seeing where this is a good idea...How is that not good enough reason?
unvote, vote: surye
I found that Suryes actions were still suspicious enough to warrant a claim, and he has claimed since. Your perception of claims is retarded. The claim had already been requested and surye got out of it cheaply, almost certainly thanks to scum interference. If its the towns fucking responsibity to put them back, WHY THE FUCK WAS IT SCUMMY FOR COOLBOT TO ATTEMPT THAT YOU RETARD? Are you saying that people should abandon their suspiciouns if the town doesnt agree.?Kison wrote: Are you telling me you still think Surye is scum? It's not that Surye necessarily should have claimed. It's that traditionally, when one hits L-2, or when someone feels they're close to being lynched, demanding a claim in order to better gage whether or not that person is scum as a last ditch attempt to prove their innocence is a good move. If the wagon dies and they're no longer in danger of being lynched, it's the Town's responsibility to put them back there if they want that claim. Otherwise, I do not see the point of forcing someone to claim if the Town does not even find them suspicious enough to threaten them with a lynch. It's a very simple concept, brosef.
It was the proper protown play. At best its a null tell, therefore not worth noting.Kison wrote:Was Adel supported all around? Were those supporting ABR scum? Why should scum support ABR if they can justifiably support their scumbuddy? It's not that you supported Adel with bad reason, it's that you backed her when she was butting heads with ABR. This is hardly damning in itself, but it fits what I would see scum doing. Therefore it is worth noting.
I wanted a claim, the same claim that me and coolbot wanted the day before. I never implied other reasons. I was simply using that language since you used it when describing me pursueing a lynch just for that, my argument was that I was no where near intent to lynch.Kison wrote: Very well. You didn't think we should lynch him. Did you feel that the bandwagon derailment warranted forcing a claim out of him? How far did you want to bring that wagon? Because my entire point is that the bandwagon derailment, to me, was not as indicative of Surye being scum as you seem to believe. Also, you have implied you suspected him for other reasons. What are those other reasons? I find it funny that you insisted you had those other reasons, and when I pointed out that you only used that derailment as a reason, you dropped that point and turned the focus onto semantics.
Because he was less concerned about getting the votes and more concerned about getting the claim. He wasn't trying to present a case against Surye. He was saying, "I want him to claim," yet was not doing anything to convince anyone as to why until asked to later on. I can't just say, "Elias, I want you to claim" and expect you to comply without good reason, because obviously the rest of the Town doesn't agree since their votes aren't on you. On the flip side, if scum hopping off the wagon caused that to die, then it meant they were on it in the first place, indicating there was even less of a town consensus in the first place. Going by memory, the claim demand didn't come till afterwards. If it came first then I would be more inclined to agree with you.Elias_the_thief wrote:If its the towns fucking responsibity to put them back, WHY THE FUCK WAS IT SCUMMY FOR COOLBOT TO ATTEMPT THAT YOU RETARD? Are you saying that people should abandon their suspiciouns if the town doesnt agree.?
And something I'd expect scum to do given the circumstances.Elias wrote:It was the proper protown play.Kison wrote:Was Adel supported all around? Were those supporting ABR scum? Why should scum support ABR if they can justifiably support their scumbuddy? It's not that you supported Adel with bad reason, it's that you backed her when she was butting heads with ABR. This is hardly damning in itself, but it fits what I would see scum doing. Therefore it is worth noting.
Then this is our problem. I do not see the wagon derailment as coming anywhere near warranting what you wanted.Elias wrote:I wanted a claim, the same claim that me and coolbot wanted the day before. I never implied other reasons. I was simply using that language since you used it when describing me pursueing a lynch just for that, my argument was that I was no where near intent to lynch.
Elias wrote:You can fuck off now.