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Greetings, strangers!

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Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thinking Reaver is excited town. Or not a newb.

Thanks for pointing this out. Went to ISO that slot and have a completely different opinion now.

I'm not sure why this keeps on happening, but no, I'm not an alt. I started playing Town of Salem in early-July and switched to forum mafia because I like the slower pace. Other than that, I don't have any experience with the game.

Yay! A fellow ToS player!

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From my long experience of playing with Norweegian (1 game!), he screams town when he's town.

I’M TOWN!

I CC

I am town encryptor.

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So far, Bell sounds like town!Bell. I expect a wagon on him Day 2 because he tosses out reads with complete confidence but when asked why, simply says 'I just know.'

Activity tell eh.
Well i won’t disagree with you. I tend to lose interest sometimes if the game loses energy and i’m scum. (Because then i see no point in re-energizing it)

In my first game, I argued that someone was mafia because they used emotes. Even if this is a weak observation, it's a step up.

I once made a scumcase based on the fact, that in one post someone didn't split a paragraph into two paragraphs.

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I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

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I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

It's called context lad

VOTE: JV

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VOTE: JV
Sorry, quoted more than I wanted.

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I know this is probably fake, but what the heck is an encryptor

How do you *know* that this is *probably* fake?

It's called context lad

Elaborate.

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Why do I need to elaborate, it was a response to a joke claim so in extension it would be a joke. Are you serious

I said so, no. Totally.

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Why are we voting superbowl?

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In ToS you commit suicide if you shoot town as vigi. Here you just lose a bullet and kill a townie. That makes shooting much less punishing.

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Urgh, you basterds are going to make me read glitches walls again aren’t you...

I am also thinking about making a wall post. It probably won't have as much interesting content as Glitch's, but every little bit helps, doesn't it?

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The traditional tool for making dowels is a dowel plate, an iron (or better, hardened tool steel) plate with a hole having the size of the desired dowel. To make a dowel, a piece of wood is split or whittled to a size slightly bigger than desired and then driven through the hole in the dowel plate. The sharp edges of the hole shear off the excess wood.

A second approach to cutting dowels is to rotate a piece of oversized stock past a fixed knife, or alternatively, to rotate the knife around the stock. Machines based on this principle emerged in the 19th century. Frequently, these are small bench-mounted tools.

For modest manufacturing volumes, wood dowels are typically manufactured on industrial dowel machines based on the same principles as the rotary cutters described above. Such machines may employ interchangeable cutting heads of varying diameters, thus enabling the machines to be quickly changed to manufacture different dowel diameters. Typically, the mechanism is open-ended, with material guides at the machine's entry and exit to enable fabrication of continuous dowel rod of unlimited length. Since the 19th century, some of these dowel machines have had power feed mechanisms to move the stock past the cutting mechanism.

High-volume dowel manufacturing is done on a wood shaper, which simultaneously forms multiple dowels from a single piece of rectangular stock (i.e., wood). These machines employ two wide, rotating cutting heads, one above the stock and one below it. The heads have nearly identical cutting profiles so that each will form an array of adjoined, side-by-side "half dowels". The heads are aligned to each other and one head is shaped to make deeper cuts along the dowel edges so as to part the stock into individual dowel rods, resulting in a group of dowel rods emerging in parallel at the machine's output.

The wooden dowel rod used in woodworking applications is commonly cut into dowel pins, which are used to reinforce joints and support shelves and other components in cabinet making. Some woodworkers make their own dowel pins, while others purchase dowel pins precut to the required length and diameter.

When dowels are glued into blind holes, a very common case in dowel-based joinery, there must be a path for air and excess glue to escape when the dowel is pressed into place. If no provision is made to relieve the hydraulic pressure of air and glue, hammering the dowel home or clamping the joint can split the wood. An old solution to this problem is to plane a flat on the side of the dowel; some sources suggest planing the flat on the rough stock before the final shaping of the round dowel. Some dowel plates solve the problem by cutting a groove in the side of the dowel as it is forced through; this is done by a groove screw, a pointed screw intruding from the side into the dowel cutting opening. Some dowel pins are Fluted with multiple parallel grooves along their length to serve the same purpose.

When two pieces of wood are to be joined by dowels embedded in blind holes, there are numerous methods for aligning the holes. For example, pieces of shot may be placed between the wood pieces to produce indentations when the pieces are clamped together; after the clamp is released, the indentations indicate the center points for drilling. Dowel centers are simple and inexpensive tools for aligning opposing blind holes. Various commercial systems, such as Dowelmax, have been devised to solve this problem.

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Since when "player A and player B are more likely to be scum than other players" and "player A and player B are not scum together" contradicts each other?

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If I knew that there is exactly one scum in {Nero, Norwegian}, I would totally be willing to lynch you both.

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I have a feeling that Glitch is trying to pressure/ sort his 2 strongest scumreads, even though they (perhaps) aren't scum together.
Nero, where can you see that Glitch is pushing your/ Norwegian's lynch, rather than sorting you?

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Why did you claim?

Because daytalk is on, so I though everyone will understand that the claim was a joke.

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Why did you claim?

Because daytalk is on, so I though everyone will understand that the claim was a joke.

ok, what was the point in fake claiming then?

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I interpreted Glitch's commets as pushing to solve.
Nero interpreted Glitch's commets as pushing to lynch.
From that premise, Nero's logic makes sense.

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Would you lynch him over yourself? I ask b/c I think you are the leading wagon still.

Manipulation detected.

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yes, I'm informing the guy that the game could possibly come down to a choice between him and Glitch.

Making him more likely to vote Glitch and less likely to create a new wagon.

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scum wouldn't say something so silly and attention-grabbing.

Yay, I am getting townreaded for my fake claim!

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yes, I'm informing the guy that the game could possibly come down to a choice between him and Glitch.

Making him more likely to vote Glitch and less likely to create a new wagon.

So...if in the next 5 days and the two remaining wagons are Superbowl and Glitch

I'm

making him vote Glitch over himself? If you don't want the wagons to be Glitch/SB then why not start one?

Nah. The post felt like you are locking Glitch vs Superbowl as the only wagons for today.
VOTE: Lapsa I want to see if this wagon will make Lapsa contribute more.

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When asked, "Where does Glitch advocate for lynching y'all," and Nero says, "Right here. Where he wants to wagon us."
Then yes. That's a misrep. I want to wagon. Wagon =/= lynch. It can lead to a lynch. Or it can lead to disbanding the wagon. Why is this controversial?

I mean this is just nitpicking at small semantic differences

The difference between wagoning and lynching isn’t even relevant given the nature of siteflaking’s question

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I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

The word dowel was used in Middle English; it appears in Wycliffe's Bible translation (circa 1382-1395) in a list of the parts of a wheel: "...and the spokis, and dowlis of tho wheelis..." Cognates with other Germanic languages suggest that the word is much older (deuvel in Dutch, Dübel in German).

Wooden dowels have been used in manufacturing and woodworking for many centuries. One of the earliest documented uses of wooden dowels was in Japanese shrines in AD 690, which were constructed using only wood, wooden dowels and pegs, and interlocking joints. Around AD 1000, Leif Erikson sailed across the North Atlantic in a ship that was largely constructed of overlapping planks held together by wooden dowels and iron nails. The wooden dowels did not rust and thus were more reliable than iron for long expeditions.

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Why did the guy with a dark Nepalese flag avatar just post an explaination about the origins of dowel?

Because it is annoying.

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I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

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Found it. Ten out of ten breadcrumbing.

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I find the most annoying or stupid person in the game is always on my side, so I'll assume you're townie.

ok if you aren't scum then why are you up in my grill for corectly reading you?

Flowey, I found another person you can townread.

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When asked, "Where does Glitch advocate for lynching y'all," and Nero says, "Right here. Where he wants to wagon us."
Then yes. That's a misrep. I want to wagon. Wagon =/= lynch. It can lead to a lynch. Or it can lead to disbanding the wagon. Why is this controversial?

I mean this is just nitpicking at small semantic differences

The difference between wagoning and lynching isn’t even relevant given the nature of siteflaking’s question

Do you disagree

Or more topically do you think Nero was “misrepping” glitch

If I undestand it correctly, Nero scumreads glitch because he reads his wagoning as setting up mislynches.
The thing which "isn’t even relevant given the nature of my question" is the responce to my question.

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VOTE: Glitch
I want to know what he will do when pressured.

L-2

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Wow. Almost whole page about a joke. I wish I were so good.

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VC1.09

Glitch (9):

Nero Cain, Bell, Cat Scratch Fever, Hiraki, Titus, Almost50 NoPowerOverMe, I Keep Siteflaking, superbowl9, SJReaver

10 names and only 9 votes? Is it correct?

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UNVOTE:
I want to see his defence, not his claim.

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Or we could eliminate them while they're gone. Save Manatee some time.

There are self-confirmable roles like friendly neighbor or semi-self-confirmable like vigilante. Getting a claim before lynch is a good idea.

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I'm not saying we don't let him claim, but if he was a PR would he flake?

I would.

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VOTE: Fwendis
Dowel pins are often used as precise locating devices in machinery. Steel dowel pins are machined to tight tolerances, as are the corresponding holes, which are typically reamed. A dowel pin may have a smaller diameter than its hole so that it freely slips in, or a larger diameter so that it must be pressed into its hole (an interference fit).

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Glitch, you are kinda stuck on Nero. Do you have any other reads? Did your norvegian read evolve?

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Scumslipped.

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Me and Nero are both town that scum have been consistently trying to paint as scum for petty reasons. Calling it now for bragging rights later.

Who isn't Glitch and pushes you and/ or Nero? Is there anything else scummy about them? If you make a case I promise to vote there, to help you get support.

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Everybody ignores me. Screw this. I am going full dowel.

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Siteflake, what do you think of 72?

If you're voting Fewind just to push a wagon, can I interest you in this lovely one here?

One of these "null, push needed" slots. Same as Fwendis. I might switch there if it gets more votes than Fwendis or if Fwendis posts something I find AI.

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VOTE: Norway
Can you guess why I vote here?

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VOTE: Norway
Can you guess why I vote here?

Better not be a blind vote.
Explain reasoning or I will yeet you to the grave

If you ISO me and read my last ~5 posts, it should become obvious that the vote is an attempt to get attention from Norway.

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Let me try again then.
VOTE: Norway

Me and Nero are both town that scum have been consistently trying to paint as scum for petty reasons. Calling it now for bragging rights later.

Who isn't Glitch and pushes you and/ or Nero? Is there anything else scummy about them? If you make a case I promise to vote there, to help you get support.

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VOTE: Glitch
Nero is not happening today. Who else do you want to lynch?

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VOTE: Glitch
@Glitch, Nero is not happening today. Who else do you want to lynch? From your posts it seems you also scumread Norway. Anyone other reads?

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Also Norwee, you're not screaming Town atm. I am worried.

Can you please stop this kind of baseless shade?
If you think i’m scum then explain why instead.
I’m sick of constantly reading different variations of: "why aren’t you super duper town? " to shade me.

This seems like a responce from someone who doesn't care whether he gets lynched or not.

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GLITCH IS NOT HAPPENING HE CLAIMED PR

This leads to:
a) we lynch VT
b) no lynch
c) random lynch without claim
+ we make a small rolecall.

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I’m not the most scummy player herw by far, even if you don’t TR me as strongly i don’t see why i should be elimmed first Stan.

I mean. You are really active, yet you don't add much to the conversation. That is very scummy.

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Norway, do you prefer playing as town or scum? How much?

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Alisae replaces out. Searching for a replacement and putting the deadline on pause until both slots are filled.

Nero : Alisae
1 : 0

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@mod does mafia have fakeclaims?

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Roles which return guilty for gunsmith: Cop, Vigilante, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Vengeful, Detective, Neapolitan, Backup of these roles or a JoATs that have any of these listed powers.
Fwendis could be a little more useful if he told his target beforehand and the target said if he is one of these mentioned roles.

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No, this is a serious vote for me Nero Cain.
He gave hints he knew more than he should.
The multi vig set up and the condescension fit well with the idea of an informed minority that dropped hints because he thought he wouldn't get caught/He's playing up a fake claim he had.

Elaborate.

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Howdy fam

Greetings. Do you think gunsmith should check Glitch?

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Yep. It is you. You lag behind.

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Are there any roles similar to a Framer in normal setups? Because I'm assuming there would be which is why I brought that up

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Nah
For cop there is only miller, GF is not allowed.

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Deadline:FROZEN

I am sorry. I have to.

Spoiler:

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UH, I probably should move my vote. VOTE: Norway

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UH, I probably should move my vote. VOTE: Norway

Not a good vote reasoning imo.
There are two clearly defined sides here, explain why you're voting me over A50.

More info from the flip.

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UH, I probably should move my vote. VOTE: Norway

Not a good vote reasoning imo.
There are two clearly defined sides here, explain why you're voting me over A50.

More info from the flip.

Why is my flip more informative than A50's?

More interactions.

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I want YOU!
To join the wagon on Almost50.

My scumdar is blaring.

Norway is working damn hard to move the wagon from either Lapsa or 72.

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Isn't it making Lapsa/ 72 more likely scum than Norway?

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So do you actually find me more or less town than A50?
Voting based on more interactions just shows that you'd vote anyone with the highest post count. Which isn't really something i'd consider townie of you.

interactions != pots count.
Not anyone, I wouldn't vote my townread. Unless as a reaction test.
I skimmed through your iso like 30 pages ago and I found it scumleany.

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How the hell do you go from "I am sure this is scum and take responsibility if he flips green" to "Oh, I misunderstood a joke. Gonna unvote now" in under 12 hours?

NAI
He misinterpreted it.

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I like you and your dowels iks

Awww, thanks.

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Spoiler:

I'm liking NPOM's content so far. Seems similar to their townplay i'm familiar with.

It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Sure i don’t mind going back to this.
VOTE: Stan1ey

I’d like everyone to read the argument between Glitch/Nero and see if you notice anything. If not i’ll point it out myself.

VOTE: Lapsa I want to see if this wagon will make Lapsa contribute more.

I don’t think it will. And Lapsa looks like low-hanging fruit anyway. A flip on them would give us nothing.

He makes short comments and statements with his quote, but the read development feels natural. And it’s a coherent progression that’s hard to fake for scum.
Granted it’s just one post, but nothing that pinged me negatively so far.

nero has been misrepping people so much this game its like he is viewing a completely different game entirely, anyone who town reads him really should start explaining why. he is the most scummy person in this game by far

No...? I’ve already stated this, but Nero is not playing to his scum meta at all. And i don’t think he’s decided to suddenly better his scumplay and power through in this game.

I don't get it, why are some of you switching to a different wagon even if you claim to scumread Glitch?

I REALLY like Hikari's 1458 and scumread of CSF/Alisae slot. I don't think scum is going to look at that replacement and build a case out of it, it's got to be a townie effort 100% of the time.

SJReaver is town for that. Scum definitely would not have the wits to make that kinda posts.

If he is scum, then the main pushers of his wagon are more likely to be town.

Do you think scum would defend a slot like Lapsa if they were teammates?

UH, I probably should move my vote. VOTE: Norway

Not a good vote reasoning imo.
There are two clearly defined sides here, explain why you're voting me over A50.

UNVOTE:

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Spoiler:

I'm liking NPOM's content so far. Seems similar to their townplay i'm familiar with.

It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Sure i don’t mind going back to this.
VOTE: Stan1ey

I’d like everyone to read the argument between Glitch/Nero and see if you notice anything. If not i’ll point it out myself.

VOTE: Lapsa I want to see if this wagon will make Lapsa contribute more.

I don’t think it will. And Lapsa looks like low-hanging fruit anyway. A flip on them would give us nothing.

He makes short comments and statements with his quote, but the read development feels natural. And it’s a coherent progression that’s hard to fake for scum.
Granted it’s just one post, but nothing that pinged me negatively so far.

nero has been misrepping people so much this game its like he is viewing a completely different game entirely, anyone who town reads him really should start explaining why. he is the most scummy person in this game by far

No...? I’ve already stated this, but Nero is not playing to his scum meta at all. And i don’t think he’s decided to suddenly better his scumplay and power through in this game.

I don't get it, why are some of you switching to a different wagon even if you claim to scumread Glitch?

I REALLY like Hikari's 1458 and scumread of CSF/Alisae slot. I don't think scum is going to look at that replacement and build a case out of it, it's got to be a townie effort 100% of the time.

SJReaver is town for that. Scum definitely would not have the wits to make that kinda posts.

If he is scum, then the main pushers of his wagon are more likely to be town.

Do you think scum would defend a slot like Lapsa if they were teammates?

UH, I probably should move my vote. VOTE: Norway

Not a good vote reasoning imo.
There are two clearly defined sides here, explain why you're voting me over A50.

UNVOTE:

What is your intent in quoting all this?

To justify my unvote, of course! Upon deeper diving into your ISO I found enough posts which contribute to conversation to call you a townlean.

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VOTE: LXXII

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VOTE: LXXII

Any form of encryption is not allowed.

That vote won’t count.

Yes, I used a highly sophisticated cypher. Here is a way how to decypher it. Warning: it is very hard and unless you have IQ at least 150, you won't understand it.

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You know. I was thinking about using elliptic curves as a cypher, but that would be too easy to solve.

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Hiraki
Pickaxe Pete

Alisae
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Fwesnid
JacksonVirgo
Bell
Nero Cain

stan1ey

Almost50
superbowl9
NoPowerOverMe
SJReaver

Marshmallow Marshall
ralph217

72offsuit

Titus
NorwegianboyEE

Town looter

Glitch

Lapsa


So im literally @ town looter, empty Ali and Lapsa slots, ralph, MM abd I guess IKS b/c they are prety null to me

Are these people you want and think that can lynch today?
If yes, why exclude Titus? I find this slot as one of the most null slot in the game.
Why not VOTE: 72?

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If theres 1 thing i hate it’s people bailing from a wagon for bs reasons. Finish your wagons properly ppl. Although im totally fine if we just move over to stanley.

72 why are you still scumreading me when you initially did so because you couldn’t understand what i said?

Superbowl = Scum case:

64 Can't really nail exactly, but this post's tone pings me. Just doesnt sound like its coming from a town perspective.
Who gives too hoots what is "correct" or not.

152 Why is anything more than LAMIST required in the early phase of day 1? If !townNBEE had any further reads as to why Bell
might be scum he would've outed them. Feels super forced and unnatural.

This post is enough for a kick on its own.

346
"I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
Risk/reward of being that active this early in the game is not very favorable"

He is clearlly saying he doesnt think scum is likely to be active because it is high risk low reward.
Even if this is true, who says scum plays "optimally" 100% of the time?
Speaks to a scum-frame-of-mind too.

452
"Yes that's what I said. You think there's a town block in the top 5 LMAO??? We've been at each other's throats"

COMPLETELY misreads what I'm saying. Either intentionally misreads or simply doesnt care enough to try and decipher my intent.
Scummy either way.

is the only "good" post he has made.

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Spoiler: blah

Im no, that’s just an bonus. I scumread A50 for other reasons, i thought you were paying attention to the game?

Why don't you lay all your cards on the table? Tell everyone you are confused and can't tell if I am a PR or not, because I didn't bother crumbing my role as I replaced in. Your confusion is now serious because you don't know whether you should shoot me (or at the very least RB me) or not. You don't want to risk it because I SR you and thus EVEN IF you are not eliminated there's a chance I might return a guilty on you if I am an investigative, but if I am not then you need not worry about that. In short, you hope that you could get me to claim before the day is over, directly or indirectly.

Dude you can have delusions about my supposed worry about PR's as much as you want, it won't come true.

THANK YOU.

This response

confirms

Norwee

knows

I am TOWN. Otherwise, I wouldn't be "delusional". I would be "faking".

I really was expecting more than: "Aha!! Gotcha! You used a word!" to explain why you're so aggressive and confident, but i guess that was too much to ask for.

Honestly, I don't see why scum!A50 uses so weak arguments against Norwee here. Would he seriously expect that post to convince

anyone

? He's experienced, he should know that this post only discredits his case if he's scum. I tend to see this as town being wrong rather than as scum trying to pull a terribly crappy mislynch.

"this is a bad scum strategy and he knows it => he must be town"
WIFOM

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Replacements, what are your opinions about dowels?

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Why aren't you voting?

Becasue the moderator is blind.

VOTE: 72offsuit

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I have a feeling that Glitch is trying to pressure/ sort his 2 strongest scumreads, even though they (perhaps) aren't scum together.
Nero, where can you see that Glitch is pushing your/ Norwegian's lynch, rather than sorting you?

Pings ++ here.
Why are pushing a wagon on a player who pings you and sorting a player;s alignment mutually exclusive?

It isn't and I have never said it.
I think that pushing a

lynch

on a player who pings you and sorting a player's alignment is mutually exclusive.
Why did you scumread this post?

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VOTE: Titus

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He has been on all the biggest wagons:

Yes. I like joining big wagoons. Why is it scummy?

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VOTE: 72offsuit

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Playerlist:

Spoiler:

1. Hiraki
   LicketyQuickety
   
   
2. Pickaxe Pete
   
3. Ydrasse
   Alisae
   Cat Scratch Fever
   
   
4. I Keep Siteflaking
   Littlefinger
   
   
5. Fwesnid
   
6. JacksonVirgo
   Rozyroz
   
   
7. Bell
   
8. Nero Cain
   
9. stan1ey
   
10. Almost50
    popopopopopopo
    
    
11. superbowl9
    
12. NoPowerOverMe
    
13. SJReaver
    
14. Marshmallow Marshall
    
15. ralph217
    
16. 72offsuit
    
17. Titus
    Ganelon
    
    
18. NorwegianboyEE
    
19. Town looter
    
20. Glitch
    
21. DrDoLittle
    Lapsa

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I confirm Titus is lound.

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Lol, I think she tried to assassinate you Flake.

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When someone is loud does it just say they visited you, or does it say "Titus, the (town)baby sitter visited you"?

Just visit. I don't know his role nor alignment.

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When someone is loud does it just say they visited you, or does it say "Titus, the (town)baby sitter visited you"?

Just visit. I don't know her role nor alignment.

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Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

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Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

this is IIoA

this is also IIoA

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I am going to be out for awhile today. I visited siteflaking because I expected to be vig shot. I'll try to check in periodically.

Why am I your top scumread?

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My TRs -in no particular order- include: Pickaxe

Nero is "probably town"

I am glad to know that we have some common townreads.

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Heh, if scum got roleblocked they literally cannot claim that even if another town rber exists. Possibly a free cop check.
Oh god I'm hoping that would be so good

I don't understand this.

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My role can be confirmed but it is preferable not to give the scum information on how.

Can we not wagon this, please?

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My role can be confirmed but it is preferable not to give the scum information on how.

Can we not wagon this, please?

Sorry I'm with Norway on this one. No soft stuff after 4 claims and an NK yesterday.

Order of operations. Why can't we do this first?

Spoiler:

VC1.21

72offsuit (11):

SJReaver, Almost50, Hiraki, Titus, town looter, I Keep Siteflaking, superbowl9, Ydrasse, NoPowerOverMe, JacksonVirgo, Pickaxe Pete

(ELIMINATION!)

If we find the scum there first, and then wagon Glitch, we don't lose anything.
If we wagon Glitch first and he is town, we can damage town.

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VOTE: stanley

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Let's try this.

@mod

Can be in this game a role/ modifier, which allows scenario where person A with loud modifier visits person B without B recieving message about being visited by A?

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Nero Cain was killed

Spoiler:

welcome Nero Cain to large normal 229. you are a

town disloyal roleblocker.

each night, you may visit another player to prevent any of their night actions from working; this will fail if your target is also town.

you win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

please confirm by telling me what the bolded green text says.

There is a motivation for scum!fwesnid to fake claim visit on MM.

I think we should let MM live one day. If he is town, we get information about whether mafia has a roleblocker or not.
If he is scum, then
a) maf kills Fwendis - we know MM is maf
b) maf doesn't kill Fwendis - Fwendis gets an extra shot of his ability

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Maf can have a rolecop who visited you.
Fwesnid could have been lucky and just picked you at random.

The motivation is obvious: he could be roleblocked. By Nero. And decide to at least take one person with him.

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Also, someone is going to get modkilled for putting quote from an ongoing game to his signature.

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SJReaver was incredibly townie to me, but shelly is lowkey dissapointing

how am I "disappointing" though

Don't hammer without claim from now on. We have a vigi and don't want to random lynch him/her.

this is IIoA

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That looked like IIoA to me and I stand by that

just read the last 6 pages:
- MM claimed vengeful vigi
- Fwesnid checked him
- MM didn't recieve a loud PM

This looks like having 155 characters to me and I stand by that

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Moderator does no longer answer questions in forums? Sigh.

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You guys just gave me an idea of post I will use as an introduction from now on:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Normal roles include these:

Spoiler:

Roles which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:

Alien, Babysitter, Bodyguard, Checker, Commuter, Sane Cop, Detective, Doctor, Encryptor, Finder, Follower, Fruit Vendor, Gunsmith, Hider, Jack-of-all-trades, Jailkeeper, Motion Detector, Mailman, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Psychologist, PT Cop, Roleblocker, Role Cop, Rolestopper, Role Watcher, Tracker, Traffic Analyst, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Visitor, Voyeur, Watcher

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town only include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante, Vengeful, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Mafia only include:

Mafia Goon, Strongman, Traitor, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

Modifiers which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:

Activated, Announcing, Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Combined, Complex, Compulsive, Disloyal, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Indecisive, Informed,

Lazy

, Loud, Loyal, Macho, Multitasking, Neighbor, Ninja, Non-Consecutive Night, Personal, Roaming, Simple, Weak, X-Shot, any modifier restricting to a specific set of nights (e.g. Even/Odd Night, Night Specific, Novice)

This is confirmed 16v5 scenario and all PTs have daytalk.

If someone asks a question which can be answered by quoting this post (or searching for 10 seconds), please quote this. If this a question is asked for 2nd/ 3rd... time, requote already quoted post. I want to know how many requotes there will be this time.

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Any mod-errors when it comes to night results have been clarified with the receiver.

Hammering MM in 5 minutes.

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Spoiler:

L-1

Death death death.
VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

A50 is a professional troll.

VOTE: MM

Okay no yall A50 was just fucking around to get TL to stop harping on that one point. It seems pretty obvious esp. coming from A50 who just pulled a scumclaim reaction test

This is actually amazing we basically just caught scum MM

VOTE: MarshmallowMarshall

MM is just caught scum...?
VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

VOTE: MM

This seems fairly cut and dry

MM were you visited by Fwes last night?

VOTE: MM

VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

even if mm is vig, i don't trust him with the gun anyway so...

Unvote, Vote: MM

VOTE: MM

I'll come back tomorrow and read in depth but is Bell vs Ydrasse boiling down to Ydrasse throws shade on Bell and then denies SRing him and they just bicker? If so I don't get why people's TR on Bell would be affected if he just reacted and was defensive. Defensiveness isn't always a scumtell.

Unfortunately at this point even if MM comes back and says he got an updated night pm from the mod I don't know that we can believe him. He's been given an opportunity here to manipulate us and will take it as scum or be truthful as town. We are on our own on that one. The only thing slightly indicative is that the mod seemed to imply there was a mistake that was corrected.

I'll be back tomorrow after some sleep.

Yep. This is town.

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vigi, just shoot MM and if he gets healed, claim before LyLo.

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Let's make a bold assumption that MM is town. Glitch pointing out L-1 is anti-scum - can prevent a mislynch. Perhaps he did it for town creds. But then 3203 destroys the very purpose of his L-1 post.

contradiction

Hence:
town MM => town Glitch.
MM is confirmable, so is Glitch.
Q.E.D.

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Nomal?

Yo! "normal" = Oxford, Amerahca Englahsh, like, or somethahng sahmahalr ta aht. Eeasyghlythahng odar ahs dahffahcult for not-natahve speakers ta understa'.

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3203 was before the post that pointed out E-1. Pointing out E-1 is NAI, it's a very easy thing to do for towncred.

3203 comes before 3041.
Gotcha!

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3203 comes before 3041.
Gotcha!

whoopsies my mistake

my point about pointing E-1 being NAI still stands

Nah. I have already broken it.
If he wanted to look towny, why would he push MM after mod confirming there was a mistake? I am not saying that it makes MM town, but he claimed a

vigilante

. That is a self-resolvable role.
Asumming MM is town, scum!Glitch knows MM is town. Why then shade self-resolving role which can shoot you and which is not likely to get lynched today?

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Uh no, it isn't IIoA to say that turbolynching shouldn't be a thing... But even if you actually think it is, you didn't say what it changed about your read on Siteflaking.

It's IIoA and one IIoA post is totally NAI.

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I have a soft clean on Glitch.
Stop voting him.

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I am not vanilla townie and I have an information, which makes Glitch less likely to be scum than a random person.

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VOTE: DDL

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Another vague PR claim
UNVOTE:

Intent to hammer

You should probably full-claim.

Why the change of heart?

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I like rolecalls. Allows me to setup spec and lynch scum.
But it is not a very popular tactic.

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VOTE: DDL

L-1

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Are here any millers who didn't claim D1?
Claim or forever sus.

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Okay everyone, we will have our setup spec. questions answered tomorrow so let's not fight too much about it!

Gunsmith - finds 1 scum
Roleblocker - finds 1 scum
Watcher - finds 1 scum
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As far as I am concerned, town has no millers.
novice cop - finds 1 scum
mystery cop - finds 1 scum
There are 5 scums. PRs can find 5 scum. Either this setup is heavily townsided, or at least one of the TI claims is fake. Probably 2.

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Norwegian, join us.

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carried