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[Tayl0r Swift]

first.

also VOTE: may because no it isnt, its the literal opposite of may.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm a Town Doctor, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

uhhh no you arent

[Tayl0r Swift]

that alone made you confident enough to claim?

is claiming our of the gate on the sites you play on common meta there?

claiming ascetic early is meta on this site. its the correct play to claim negative utility modifiers like ascetic and miller.

[Tayl0r Swift]

also wasn't liking innocent villager much

why not?

[Tayl0r Swift]

More important question, why does them being experienced or not matter?

town post

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm inclined to think that the doctor claim was a joke

Scum post?

lol gamma why are we like this

[Tayl0r Swift]

Doc claim came across as sarcastic to me but as discussion went on that didn't really seem to be addressed or followed up on. Weird.

Idk why the ascetic claim would be AI either direction. Makes sense as town. Makes sense as scum.

VOTE: Town Looter for revenge of kicking my ass in the Space Newbie.

I'm excited to play with this playerlist, this is a great lineup of good folks.

just fyi you are NOT modding this game. so good job placing a vote. keep it up.

[Tayl0r Swift]

can we please move on from the claim? its NAI. in a game that just ended today i was scum ascetic and claimed it. sort guillo based on content not based on the claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the current conversation isn't about the claim. Are you scum again, tay tay?

yep. its page 8 so everything is current and the game just ended.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Yeah but it's not real.

town doc is absolutely a real role. ???? what kind of take is that?

[Tayl0r Swift]

the current conversation isn't about the claim. Are you scum again, tay tay?

yep. its page 8 so everything is current and the game just ended.

yeah but the thread has moved on and the current discussion was about muh and his, imo, sketchy posting. You coming in and telling us to stop talking about the claim seems like a disconnect.

well im trying to derail the muh wagon. that or im a bit sleep deprived. or both.

[Tayl0r Swift]

tbh i didnt even realize that muh had posted the first time through the thread, because the posts were all so bland. theres certainly no solving or pushing the envelope from that slot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Join us the waters warn.

i can join you as long as we arent doctor deniers. doctors are real.

[Tayl0r Swift]

even when muh is active in the thread i still dont realize muh is posting. maybe the avatar makes the posts invisible (speaking of gamma i miss the old one).
VOTE: muh

[Tayl0r Swift]

It felt like she had a good persistence-of-thought there

eh.....

IIOA

[Tayl0r Swift]

even when muh is active in the thread i still dont realize muh is posting. maybe the avatar makes the posts invisible (speaking of gamma i miss the old one).
VOTE: muh

What amazing contributions have you given to the game?

have you seen my avatar?

[Tayl0r Swift]

It felt like she had a good persistence-of-thought there

eh.....

IIOA

How

do you see any analysis in that post?

[Tayl0r Swift]

you seemed like a good target to generate conversation.

why did guillo seem like a good target for conversation? and what did you learn from those conversations?

[Tayl0r Swift]

you seemed like a good target to generate conversation.

why did guillo seem like a good target for conversation? and what did you learn from those conversations?

I literally said it in the part you didn't quote. What I learned from the conversation is that we're out of RVS

what do your reads look like?

[Tayl0r Swift]

There are site rules why you can't talk about Gamma Emerald not being a townread of yours?

that means the meta comes from an ongoing game presumably

[Tayl0r Swift]

tbf, I think my only real townread is guillotina at this point :/

why do you townread guillo?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor my description on why I townread guill is like a whole post in my iso somewhere sorry to lazy to find it

i couldnt find it in your iso. do me a favor?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I feel like Muh’s defiance here rings more townie than scummy in this instance.

why

[Tayl0r Swift]

JVs catchup started off strong, but then he started skimming and it got real bad and surface-level. nero is a little overaggro pushing back though i think. the first half of that JV post was pretty townie and i think it would be unwise to sort JV based on half a post when the other half points the other way.

[Tayl0r Swift]

we'll get an RV and stuff

NorwegianboyEE
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

in there

Glitch can ride on the roof.

?? What does RV mean?

kampingvogn

[Tayl0r Swift]

we'll get an RV and stuff

NorwegianboyEE
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

in there

Glitch can ride on the roof.

?? What does RV mean?

Recreational Vehicle
Also what language was that Tay

it was supposed to be norwegian

[Tayl0r Swift]

I think there are a lot of towny looking players in this game so far, more than normal, and that bodes well for town this game.

who are they and why do you townbin the spicy ones?

[Tayl0r Swift]

norwee and nero: how much experience do you have together? would you say that you are good at sorting each other accurately?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hot take: muh is scum and Glitch is the attempted counterwagon.

i mean i agree that muh is scum, but who are the scum driving the counterwagon on glitch?

[Tayl0r Swift]

mainly he's voting muh whom I think is scum. He doesn't really feel different from my sole game with him where he was town and he's going to be a bit down the totem pole. I mean players like JV or ABR or IV or muh or may and t. swift just seem so much scummier than him.

Why is he scum?

explain reasoning why those four names are scummy?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so nero is scum and pocketed norwee here? this doesnt feel like sorting. this feels like pushing for a chain of mislims.

[Tayl0r Swift]

It’s an beautiful country with wondrous people such as i Guillotina. You should visit some time.

you mean its full of weebs? gross.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mainly he's voting muh whom I think is scum. He doesn't really feel different from my sole game with him where he was town and he's going to be a bit down the totem pole. I mean players like JV or ABR or IV or muh or may and t. swift just seem so much scummier than him.

Why is he scum?

even TPG and ulmat (kinda)

like... this is such a strange way to state a townread on someone. "i kinda think this person is town, or at least i wanna kill these 6 other people first"

[Tayl0r Swift]

or you could read my ISO and not make me type shit I've already said. Just a thought.

ok maybe you shouldnt make unreasonable demands of people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so nero is scum and pocketed norwee here? this doesnt feel like sorting. this feels like pushing for a chain of mislims.

firstly I'm not pushing for a norway elimination 2ndly how do you know that any of them are miseliminations? Seems kinda slippy, no?

well for one thing you said you want to kill 6 people. i doubt there are 6 scum. for another i happen to know that im town (the mod sent me this very nice message saying i am, and im tempted to believe it).

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh actually its 7 people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so nero is scum and pocketed norwee here? this doesnt feel like sorting. this feels like pushing for a chain of mislims.

firstly I'm not pushing for a norway elimination 2ndly how do you know that any of them are miseliminations? Seems kinda slippy, no?

well for one thing you said you want to kill 6 people. i doubt there are 6 scum. for another i happen to know that im town (the mod sent me this very nice message saying i am, and im tempted to believe it).

Hmm, are you sure we can trust this "moderator" chap you refer to? They could be scum tbh.

i townread the mod, yeah. you trying to make me doubt my townread is very scum indicative. FoS norwee.

[Tayl0r Swift]

holy shit guys, this isn't rocket science. I find other slots scummier, I want to eliminate them b/c I think they are scum. If I am correct that makes everyone else town. Why is this such a hard concept?

the concept is fine. its called a PoE (maybe?). but that isnt really what youre describing. for one thing you arent really giving reasons why everyone else is excluded from the PoE. and then its just a list of 7 people you wanna kill. i dont see you sorting in that list much.

in MBoS you were pretty obvtown. here you arent. people said that town nero always looks different than scum nero, and clearly so. you feel very different here. you even seem to be recycling some of the same reads (like a scumread on me you havent really explained yet).

VOTE: nero

[Tayl0r Swift]

Well that's certainly an development. I don't know how i feel about it, but it's an development.
@Taylor In what way is Nero different from Nero in MboS?

in MBoS i was scum and nero was annoyingly obvtown. Nero doesnt feel the same here. do you disagree? its tonal or feelings-based.

[Tayl0r Swift]

part of what made it so annoying is just how many townies thought he was obvtown.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok then: WHY do you scumread me? why do you scumread the other people on your kill list?

[Tayl0r Swift]

READ MY FUCKING ISO

I DONT REALLY WANNA. YOU READ IT AND TELL ME. OR DONT READ IT AND JUST TELL ME.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why have you excluded everyone not in your PoE from your PoE?

[Tayl0r Swift]

the only people I've excluded are

NorwegianboyEE
Gamma Emerald
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

b/c feelings. Just like you "feel that I'm different than MBOS"


Glitch

and maybe

JacksonVirgo

are ppl that I think are less likely to be scum

ok so in this 17 player game you townread 4 people (presumably yourself too), with weaker reads on two more people. 17-(4+2+1)=10. and then you're somehow left with a PoE of 7 people.

of your townreads i really only understand norwee and gamma atp

[Tayl0r Swift]

me saying i dont recall it doesnt mean im saying you have no reasons. but generally if i dont recall a progression its because it was weak or at least weakly stated. and now youre deflecting my questions about how you excluded 10 people from your PoE.

[Tayl0r Swift]

me saying i dont recall it doesnt mean im saying you have no reasons

thats so not what u said.

ok go read my iso and youll see me repeatedly asking you to clarify and once accusing you of not having reasons. i dont see why youre dodging my questions so much. why have you excluded 10 people from PoE when some of them have hardly posted? explain your townreads pls!

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can we see your POE?

its very large since most people have hardly posted or havent posted at all.

current townreads: norwee, gamma, guillo
weak town: abr, iv

scum: nero, muh

null: everyone else

all the nullreads are in PoE. cuz thats how a PoE works. i havent eliminated them through my process.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why do you keep asking me for my reads when you have none? lol

[Tayl0r Swift]

scum: nero, muh

this is your classis push town, busy buddy. If you think me and muh are scum then why did you leave the muh wagon to make him tied with me?

atm im more confident in you being scum, and the game was starting to stall out with the muh wagon being the leading wagon.

[Tayl0r Swift]

current townreads: norwee, gamma, guillo
weak town: abr, iv

scum: nero, muh

explain your reads

norwee and gamma are just sorta obvtown. i can explain if needed but i dont think its needed.
guillo feels different than elsewhere.
abr has solvy energy and aggression so far.
i think iv tends to look a bit scummy and draws early attention. i think i see a pure innocent heart in there though.

you are being cagey about your reads and still havent really justified most of your townreads, a few of whom seem pretty null so im not sure why youve sorted them town. some of your scumreads (like TGP) seem really poorly justified.
ive stated why i think muh is scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

all the nullreads are in PoE. cuz thats how a PoE works. i havent eliminated them through my process.

the other side of the coin is that a larger POE is beneficial to scum b/c it means there's more miselimination bait. I'm finding it hard to understand that a supposed town you doesn't understand why Nero would want to eliminate in his scumreads b4 I am forced to eliminate (if I am wrong) in my null reads. As where you have an openish policy that allows you to eliminate the majority of the playerlist and that just seems real scummy to me.

id rather wait until i have genuine reasons to exclude someone from PoE than artificially make my PoE smaller to look better. the fact that youre doing the opposite means youre scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

PoE than artificially make my PoE smaller to look better.

what if I just have good reads and vibes?

some of the people you have good reads and vibes on have hardly posted.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the only people I've excluded are

NorwegianboyEE
Gamma Emerald
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

b/c feelings. Just like you "feel that I'm different than MBOS"


Glitch

and maybe

JacksonVirgo

are ppl that I think are less likely to be scum

for example youre confidently townreading kanna from 2 posts. glitch has 8. jacksonvirgo has 18.

[Tayl0r Swift]

JacksonVirgo-was suspicious of this slot b/c I kept seeing them on but wasn't posting. I didn't like his catchup.
muh316-felt early gul vote was go with the flow and scummy. thought his reaction and justification for this reaction was scummy
Tayl0r Swift-using WIFOM, disconnect from the thread
Albert B. Rampage-yucky intro and vote on an inactive slot, TL did nothing but complain.
innocentvillager-"look at me im doing things" not scumhunting. stopped being active.


ulmat-i just didn't like his Glitch vote. I don't think Glitch was fishing as he claimed.
tpg-look @ that ISO

these were the scummiest slots, imo. If all the scum were in there then everyone else would be town. This is not a hard concept.

but i might buy into the JV super angry is a town reaction.

JV was on your townlist but is also here on your scum list. oops.

umlaut has 1 post. tgp have 5 and i dont see them as scummy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean, like ABR has 9 posts and you are town reading him

NPOM, JV, and May all have more posts than him. Glitch has nearly as many posts as ABR and only 4 more than TGP. It just feels like you are trying to keep as many players eliminatable as possible.

you have 6 townreads and one of them is also a scumread. you have 7 scumreads. you havent taken a stance on the other 5 players. thats 12 people youre willing to kill. I have 5 townreads, 2 scumreads, and havent sorted the other 10. thats 12 people im theoretically willing to kill, but only two im willing to vote atp. stop gaslighting me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ah yes retreat to the throwing of buzzwords.

buzzwords like scumread and townread? sorry.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but im ALSO only pushing you, ABR, muh, and IV and maybe JV (I go back and forth) and IG Gul. I'm consciously aware that if the full scumteam isn't there that members must lie in more null reads like may or TPG or some of the others but to argue that im pushing them isn't the truth. Again, I just think you are trying to have as many slots possible that you can push as scum.

ok but youre actively pushing 7 people including one you stated a townread on. thats a lot of people considering more than half the posts this game come from the top 5 or so posters.

[Tayl0r Swift]

tgp have 5 and i dont see them as scummy.

so y is he null?

the content of the posts is fine but the quantity of posts is scum indicative.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok but youre actively pushing 7 people including one you stated a townread on. thats a lot of people considering more than half the posts this game come from the top 5 or so posters.

says the person willing the eliminated 14 players.

as ive said im pushing 2 people and waiting to sort the rest. both you and i have 12 people in our PoE.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ah yes retreat to the throwing of buzzwords.

buzzwords like scumread and townread? sorry.

claiming that im gaslighting you. I think its a big ball of shit that you can get a read/vibe from 9 ABR posts but you have null reads from a 45 post poster an 11 poster, an 18, a 5 and an 8.

some people bear their souls to me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

norwee and gamma are just sorta obvtown.

what do you feel about your top 2 townreads town reading me?

i think you pocketed norwee. maybe the same happened with gamma but gamma could just be wrong.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think you pocketed norwee. maybe the same happened with gamma but gamma could just be wrong.

yes discredit your own town reads.

so now you think im scum for not sheeping?

[Tayl0r Swift]

also, taylor did you ever explain why I felt different from MBOS?

can i pull a nero and say "check my iso"?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why have you excluded everyone not in your PoE from your PoE?

me saying i dont recall it doesnt mean im saying you have no reasons. but generally if i dont recall a progression its because it was weak or at least weakly stated. and now youre deflecting my questions about how you excluded 10 people from your PoE.

me saying i dont recall it doesnt mean im saying you have no reasons

thats so not what u said.

ok go read my iso and youll see me repeatedly asking you to clarify and once accusing you of not having reasons. i dont see why youre dodging my questions so much. why have you excluded 10 people from PoE when some of them have hardly posted? explain your townreads pls!

pls respond

[Tayl0r Swift]

also, taylor did you ever explain why I felt different from MBOS?

can i pull a nero and say "check my iso"?

i mean, it was a yes or no question....

and i gave a yes or no answer

[Tayl0r Swift]

"check my iso"

[Tayl0r Swift]

also, taylor did you ever explain why I felt different from MBOS?

can i pull a nero and say "check my iso"?

this is my yes or no answer

[Tayl0r Swift]

Well that's certainly an development. I don't know how i feel about it, but it's an development.
@Taylor In what way is Nero different from Nero in MboS?

in MBoS i was scum and nero was annoyingly obvtown. Nero doesnt feel the same here. do you disagree? its tonal or feelings-based.

stop whining. and answer my questions

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor you want me to vote Nero? What are you offering in return?

yes. im offering the pride of knowing we caught scum after the flip. i can also offer tidings of friendship and joy generally, but that sorta doesnt depend on your vote.

[Tayl0r Swift]

taylor just wants keep as many slots as possible open for elimination under the guise of "sorting"

yes thats why when people want to vote guillo i hopped on the wagon. oh wait. i guess i must be scum with guillo.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Gul can't be the god of mafia b/c he's voting town so he's only a mafia god if he's mafia.

this feels genuine. nero, do you promise that youre town? you have to pinky promise

[Tayl0r Swift]

You need to calm down.

NO YOU NEED TO CALM DOWN> I AM CALM

[Tayl0r Swift]

hot take: muh is scum and Glitch is the attempted counterwagon.

i mean i agree that muh is scum, but who are the scum driving the counterwagon on glitch?

I think assuming a counterwagon has scum on it isn't always wise

i mean... ok? but nero said that glitch is the counterwagon to a wagon on scum, implying scum is responsible

[Tayl0r Swift]

well for one thing you said you want to kill 6 people. i doubt there are 6 scum.

well duh
you can have more/less scumreads than there are scum
personally I think being stickler for hitting the proper quota is kinda scummy

having a lot of scumreads is one thing. but saying you want 6 people dead before you sort other slots is another thing entirely.

[Tayl0r Swift]

of your townreads i really only understand norwee and gamma atp

why me
I know we have some desync in our ability to read each other. Why does it seem like I'm equivalent to norway iyo?

youre not as confident as norwee. i just also read you as town. norwee is sorta obvtown. i think ive gotten better at reading you. but if youre saying i shouldnt be reading you as town im willing to hear you out.

[Tayl0r Swift]

weak town: abr

why
also the scene you're making bothers me with the fact you proclaim you SR muh. It's not hard scummy but it just seems like conspicuous timing.

the read is strengthening. ABR is solving and pushing reads. theres plenty of content and sorting.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Agree with Gamma.
It just seems to me like they’re way overplaying their card here.
It’s like they rolled ascetic goon and everyone in scum PT told him to claim now and afterwards he’s forgot scum hunting and mostly just focus on posturing about their claim in an vicious cycle.

I just don't believe anyone is really this bad at Mafia.

hey nice to meet you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Have a lovely for now.

no u

[Tayl0r Swift]

guillotina feels... like a preteen or teenager trying to mimic an adult to me, if i'm being honest. very similar to my 2017 style. but they're probably town. gah.

VOTE: taylor this slot is giving me scumping after scumping and while they try very hard to make themselves difficult to read they seem similar to mbos large, so i think this is the best vote here.

youve also seen my towngame though...
could you compare the similarities to MBOS and differences from my towngame?
i feel like if you really know me you should know that this isnt my scumgame.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you think we’re wrong to push you, why do you think it’s happening?

I don't think it's wrong to push me. Go for it. I just know there's scum on the wagon since my playstyle makes me a great candidate for LHF.

who is the scum on your wagon?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'M TOWN AND ALSO A VERY STABLE GENIUS

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you think we’re wrong to push you, why do you think it’s happening?

I don't think it's wrong to push me. Go for it. I just know there's scum on the wagon since my playstyle makes me a great candidate for LHF.

Interesting sentiment. Is there anyone here who knows your nature?
I feel like this site has erupted with people who revel in their limbait status rather than seeing it as something to cast off. It’s kinda sickening and when it’s this prevalent I feel like it makes games way harder for town, as you have about as many scummy town as you do scum if not more, which makes finding the proper bad guys harder.

do you feel like im in this category? because i generally make little to no effort to obvtown, but i also feel like im not full limbait, and usually when i do die scum is pushing me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

DrippingGoofball replaces Kanna!

found scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'M TOWN AND ALSO A VERY STABLE GENIUS

You only have one vote so I didn't iso you yet.

oh that post wasnt for you, it was pure coincidence. but i did think it was fitting.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the nero muh interaction definitely doesnt come across as TvT

[Tayl0r Swift]

I feel like Tay is boxed scum that is threatened by my smaller POE and is resorting to "hey look over there at all the other slots!" It doesn't feel like town worried that im going down the wrong path.

ive never seen someone try to intimidate me before by saying "hey look my thing is smaller than yours"

[Tayl0r Swift]

I feel like Tay is boxed scum that is threatened by my smaller POE and is resorting to "hey look over there at all the other slots!" It doesn't feel like town worried that im going down the wrong path.

or im just not worried that youre pushing me because people often have an awfully hard time reading me. have i sent you my guide to reading me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I feel like Tay is boxed scum that is threatened by my smaller POE and is resorting to "hey look over there at all the other slots!" It doesn't feel like town worried that im going down the wrong path.

or im just not worried that youre pushing me because people often have an awfully hard time reading me. have i sent you my guide to reading me?

I actually have a guide that could help you read me, in case you were wondering on whether to town read or scum read me, I haven’t read the game yet, personally, but I have a few quick links I could send, no? Nothing about me, okay. I’ll continue putting off catching up here.

are you intending this alt to be a secret? because *snipe*

[Tayl0r Swift]

"ppl have a hard time reading me and push me alot" "but Nero pushing me is a scum push" don't these two things kinda contridict?

people pushing me isnt inherently scummy. the way youre doing it by misrepping me and using bad faith arguments is scummy tho.

[Tayl0r Swift]

how am I misrepping you?

well for one thing you keep saying im scum. but look back over my iso today i called you out a few times for twisting my words and saying things i didnt say.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if its a tay-nero interaction then it feels like you are calling me town b/c you said "I'm unsure whether to label it SvT" Why is the S on Tays side and the T on my side?

Do I really need to explain this to you? I wasn't putting the S or T on any side in respect to "tay-nero". S comes before T in the English alphabet, therefore when speaking in generic terms, it flows better to put the S before the T.

i personally like to put T before S. TS would be really cool as initials.

[Tayl0r Swift]

how come you are scumreading me and you don't think taylor is town?

because muh's reads are fake.

[Tayl0r Swift]

NERO are you trying to pocket me??? I want to be your friend this game and you know it. >:|

if reading your initial posting and then not having a gut reaction that you are scum is "pocketing" then sure. I guess I'll stop having reads and feelings and be willing to lynch the majority of the player list like Taylor.

see this is patently false lol. and i talked to you about it. so the fact that youre still pushing it is... frustrating to say the least.

[Tayl0r Swift]

YOU HAVE A 14 PLAYER POE!

WE BOTH HAVE 12 PLAYER PoEs!

[Tayl0r Swift]

or 13 unless you've started townreading players in your POE

umlaut is early town

[Tayl0r Swift]

youre shading me for having a large PoE but like... your PoE is just as big. im not pushing all 12 of them. i dont see what the fuck youre talking about.

[Tayl0r Swift]

like im also pushing scumreads over null reads. but im not gonna remove someone from PoE until i have reason to. at game start i had 16 people in PoE.

[Tayl0r Swift]

did you forget why you were pushing me? you were pushing me for not having a big POE and I had felt like you were scum upset that I wouldn't push as much ML bait.

where did i say that? like... any of that

[Tayl0r Swift]

nero quote from my iso where i do any of the things youre saying i did/said please

[Tayl0r Swift]

YOUR ENTIRE PUSH ON ME WAS B/C I HAD A SMALL POE

WHERE DID I SAY THAT THO. CUZ THATS NOT TRUE

[Tayl0r Swift]

YOUR ENTIRE PUSH ON ME WAS B/C I HAD A SMALL POE

its really not about the size of youre poe anyway. its how you use it, right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

nope. im done. if youre curious about my thinking, go read my posts. youre being a little too thick to be scum atm, so i think you just are confbiased or arent reading at all. im gonna sheep other people's reads on you for now, because this is way past the point of being productive. UNVOTE:

ill prolly vote muh again soon, but i need to BREATHE for a minute first.

[Tayl0r Swift]

and then its just a list of 7 people you wanna kill.

i dont see you sorting in that list much.

like here you are pushing me for only having a 7 player POE.

I'm sure you'll use the bold to argue that you were REALLY pushing me for not sorting but I think that's a crock of shit. Especially given that there were a plethora of players that hadn't done any/much posting and how are those sortable? Your solution was to add them to the POE but all that does is add more miselimination bait-wich FMPOV is a super sketcky stance. Here's an idea? How bout not adding players to a POE unless we have a good reason to suspect they are scum.

i think we have different definitions of a PoE. you dont add people to a PoE. you start with everyone on the playerlist, and then over time you eliminate people from being potential scum, which leaves you with a smaller group of people in which scum must be by *process of elimination*. it seemed like you were out for blood in 7 slots and didnt care which. its not that you only had 7 scumreads. its that you had 7 people in which you seemed willing to shoot indiscriminately.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think we have different definitions of a PoE. you dont add people to a PoE. you start with everyone on the playerlist, and then over time you eliminate people from being potential scum, which leaves you with a smaller group of people in which scum must be by *process of elimination*.

[Tayl0r Swift]

wait i said i was done with this. but again, you either arent reading or arent understanding my posts here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think we have different definitions of a PoE. you dont add people to a PoE. you start with everyone on the playerlist, and then over time you eliminate people from being potential scum, which leaves you with a smaller group of people in which scum must be by *process of elimination*.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nero Taylor would either of you be interested in untunneling and voting Guillo?

im not interested in guillo but i did unvote nero.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why are people still townreading DGB after that?

[Tayl0r Swift]

So who are my scumbuddies?

other than me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why are people still townreading DGB after that?

After what, forgetting something? (Maybe you're talking about something else but I'm not sure what)

I'm not even strongly townreading DGB, I just thought that post was towny and said as much.

not for forgetting "something". she forgot her read on someone.

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE:
Anyway i've been on the fence about it, and i think this recent post from Guillo here shows effort that is more likely town indicative from him.

welcome to the enlightened club

[Tayl0r Swift]

Who's down for lynching umlaut?

i could be persuaded

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: umlaut and if it flips scum, dgb is next methinks.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Who's down for lynching umlaut?

i could be persuaded

VOTE: umlaut and if it flips scum, dgb is next methinks.

That was some pretty easy persuasion!

a) i trust norwee.
b) im doing a thing and wanna see what happens.
but im pretty persuadable. i also take bribes.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok IV is added to the town list.

[Tayl0r Swift]

dgb muh nero are solid scum. ill leave nero alone for now though and re-evaluate later.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also, I can't read Taylor. She could be open wolfing or she could be a scummy town player, so when I form a solid town block I will have to trust their read on Taylor or I don't know, I can't read her.

putting this in my iso

[Tayl0r Swift]

we wouldn’t elim D1 anyway if it came to it

wait why would you want to keep me around?

[Tayl0r Swift]

also lol @ calling yourself obtown

IV and guillo are obvtown tho.

[Tayl0r Swift]

we need some prods or something though, because theres probably at least one scum in the lurkers just based on random chance.

[Tayl0r Swift]

may is well inside prod range.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Norwegianboy doesn't seem to be playing as agressively as our last game together, but that's probably NAI.

norwee what are your thoughts on this?

[Tayl0r Swift]

its certainly strange for pretentious to be this quiet but i dont think its AI and i think maybe we can get more content from that slot later. i dunno why theres so much resistance to a muh wagon tbh though. and umlaut completely stalled out too.

VOTE: muh can we make this happen?

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: pretentious

thats gotta be a flavor leaf scum gambit of some sort.

L-1, lets give FL a chance to claim yeah?

[Tayl0r Swift]

My play alone has caused multiple pages of discussion worth analyzing, and I feel I’ve explained extremely strongly why I am going to flip town, so I have also done my job in that regard.

Now basically, you have a choice, flip a misfade, or vote elsewhere.

you read these pages at least, what do you make of them?

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

The speed of my wagon means someone on the scum team saw an opening to get me, a well known player on site who has loads of setup design, review knowledge, and play experience, taking advantage of me being on a lesser known weird post style alt, someone who knows me helped give momentum to my wagon because I am a fantastic day 1 misfade for scum even though I haven’t been playing.

If you knew me, you’d know I love to lurk out as town until late game n then solve.

I once rolled a whole game, and then stopped trolling to solve the game.

Gamma and Nero are the 2 players who know me the most, so I guarantee you a scum is in one of the two.

This answer is worth nothing to someone who does not know you. Tell me why people in your list could be scum based just on this game, disregard meta.

Like it or not, personal relationships are part of the game.

I know for a fact scum is within someone who knows me.

Quicker you learn this, the better off you’ll be for it.

yeah but you know nearly half the game so it isnt a bold claim exactly to say that theres a scumbutt who knows you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Then play like it.

If you were more experienced, you’d already see the benefits of my last few pages.

[Tayl0r Swift]

here's the thing. muh was unclaimed IF he was a town PR then Boon is 100% fucking over town. Its not a play that town should EVER make. Thus he is not town.

@Taylor - You see what’s wrong with this statement from someone who’s known me for years? You noticed something about me from only a few games that contradicts this. Can you state what it is? I’m trying to see how obvious it is for you as well, is why I’m not straight up stating why. I will if need be.

ive seen you recently pass on an opportunity to hammer a fake-claim day 1, but ive also seen you pull quickhammers and other gambits plenty of times. i know you arent opposed to hammering unclaimed people. you go with your gut and do what you feel is right. im not sure about your alignment yet, and i dont like your push on norwee who i think is about as obvtown as norwee can be. that said ill UNVOTE: for now. im happy to go back to muh. nero is still scum but im not gonna push there myself. ill hop on the wagon tho.

[Tayl0r Swift]

They aren't going anywhere.

except hell

[Tayl0r Swift]

i could go for a NPOM wagon. sitting on the sidelines and not doing much. IV is still obvtown imo.

[Tayl0r Swift]

flavor youve been saying all day you wanted to talk to me. im here now. have anything to say?

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Taylor - why would I ever claim VT as scum here?

From the little you’ve played with me, i feel like you should already know that is not in my MO.

i mean maybe not but the way youre pushing it hard that youd never do it means its pure wifom. im gonna sort you based on play and not based on claims.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i could go for a NPOM wagon. sitting on the sidelines and not doing much. IV is still obvtown imo.

I actually like him there looking back on it in regards to Nero vs Me.

Look at Norwegian in that same position.

meh i still think norwee is pretty town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Taylor - why would I ever claim VT as scum here?

From the little you’ve played with me, i feel like you should already know that is not in my MO.

i mean maybe not but the way youre pushing it hard that youd never do it means its pure wifom. im gonna sort you based on play and not based on claims.

My claims are my play. Had I claimed a PR, i would have gotten pressure off easily.

Instead, I created an infinite amount of strings to be able to analyze and help town come to victory, while also successfully entering this game.

but like... thats bordering on a trust tell.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but youre saying you never would. im just gonna say that while i think youre probably town here, im gonna more or less ignore the claim.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If I had to guess, I'd say that we have a scum team of less experienced players that are trying to lurk somewhat while the more experienced players are town and being active.

I don't think this is something we can tell at this point. Like it's not impossible that there is scum in


Glitch
TheDuke
muh316
Guillotina
May
Non lmh

and town is just tearing into each other but I think I don't see anything that suggests that scum can't be experienced/active players. And Boon is an experienced player so there's at least 1 of them.

so im not lockscum anymore?

[Tayl0r Swift]

here's the thing. muh was unclaimed IF he was a town PR then Boon is 100% fucking over town. Its not a play that town should EVER make. Thus he is not town.

sure.

I think it's 100% the correct play for town to wait on a claim b4 hammer. Him not doing that is scummy and anti-town.

See now you’re using my Mafilosophy as a crutch to push.

You know for a fact that is how I see it, which makes this a moot and policy reasoning, which completely executes your entire push because it shows that you are trying to just push through, looking for a fade.

You have just been shouting scum, and using weak weak incorrect or outdated meta.

thats how i felt a couple days ago when nero was on me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nero, if you’re town, see that you’re in a TvT, lol.

this doesnt feel genuine.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nice

[Tayl0r Swift]

LOL. If anything i'm the quarterback here.

What does this mean?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback

[Tayl0r Swift]

LOL. If anything i'm the quarterback here.

What does this mean?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback

[Tayl0r Swift]

Who is Occams Razor?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback

[Tayl0r Swift]

haha i made gamma tilted and now i have gamma reverse pocketed so he will be inclined to tunnel me. im so fucking smart.

[Tayl0r Swift]

How tf do we have 20 pages in a span of a few hours. Anybody got a tl;dr?

Btw welcome to the goddamn club

hmm thats not the tl;dr id give. more like "aahhhh pls dont kill me im vt and id never claim vt as scum"

[Tayl0r Swift]

i unvoted but didnt really like any of the other wagons. dont think i wanna go back to the pretentious wagon.

VOTE: muh

ngl it feels like i have no power and town are being led from a really good place to a really bad place. i trust abr and im willing to work with flavor for now at least. but im not gonna vote norwee. unless im missing something big here, norwee is town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: pretentious

[Tayl0r Swift]

can everyone just calm down a bit? this is getting toxic and its certainly counterproductive

[Tayl0r Swift]

Have you even read the past 10 pages Taylor?

i have. and i still think norwee is pretty town. your reads almost seem the opposite of mine which sketches me out. tbh the gamestate tells me theres active scum driving wagons. it very much feels like boon manipulating things. if boon flips town ill re-evaluate.