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[Gamma Emerald]

am bab

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Andres and NPOM reactions to the Miller claim are interesting.

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lol

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I would be willing to dismiss the Miller claim if they hadn't lied about it before.

So because he lied once you’re completely unwilling to buy it now? Seems a little extreme, are you like that in real life?

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I never said completely

Your skepticism feels rather extreme
If I were looking unfavorably at it I’d call it forced.

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BERATED

that's the word

anyway I'll find scum now

That doesn’t make sense in context
How would being berated affect you like that?

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All of Mafia were dead except for a traitor without a nightkill

Town was eliminated, leading to 1:1 where no elim could be achieved, so everyone lost

Yeah I had a game where traitor was last scum standing and wasn’t endgamed, it went all the way to 3p but town won it
It was a thoroughly meme game tho

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Oh
I thought that had to do with being tired

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Btw if we have a Rolecop they can confirm molla’s claim
Miller is a town-only role so that would be a conftown too

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Yes
But just put “town” in front of the word Rolecop and the issue is resolved, no?

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Rolecop gets full role iirc
Miller kinda walks the line between modifier and role anyway (and with people being able to have nigh infinite stacks modifiers or roles in normals now it kinda doesn’t matter which as long as it’s clear whether it shows up to rolecop)

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Have you ever fake claimed Miller before

Why was this you first thought on hearing the Miller claim?

VOTE: Norfolk

13 pings.

I understand what 13 is about
It probably means nothing for this game.

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If we can’t trust a miller claim then what is there left for us to believe.

Agreed. That’s the towniest Miller claim I have ever seen.

Can you quantify this statement? What other Miller claims have you seen?

Just for your information there is a Wikipedia entry for every role.

record scratch

The mafiascum wiki is not Wikipedia, don’t go looking for role info on Wikipedia

Hes not a miller, but hes town!

Oh wait I was confusing miller with mason.

This looks like town

Btw the probability talk on page 2 was quite refreshing, like a good herbal tea

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@Gamma, Why?

They rolled masons in a past game

@gamma cause when I drew miller previously it was brought up as a good fake claim

Okay. But it seems you came from a position of guilty-until-proven-innocent with how you asked it

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I feel like plenty of people do it in like their second post
The rule isn’t “do it first thing”, it’s “do it in your first few posts”

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Okay tight-ass

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bro ily but also ur scum so

you do this every game we play bro lmao

im not a miller but look how much fun we had

bro ily but also ur scum so

you do this every game we play bro lmao

UNVOTE: BBmolla

It's my way of remembering you, BB. :*

Wait so that was a

troll

?

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Well yes, but also no.

So the claim is real but there was also the shared history?

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I clarified in my very next post that I was just being over the top and didn’t fully mean that (mostly just trying to create discussion and be funny). But I guess I have to repeat myself - it’s not the Towniest Miller claim ever, and I will not be relying on it to make a judgment on alignment either way.

Okay

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Andres seems like town
I’m not a fan of some of the things Vaxkiller seems to be taking interest in, it seems frivolous and selective?

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VOTE: DGB
She vented

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Its already many happened while im gone? lol I just random voted mini and then u guys have wagon on mini too

you're not unvoting so I guess you're fine with it?
any other thoughts, btw?

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fair enough, I do expect you to contribute at least a little though. I'm also probably gonna try to focus on supportive play here. I 100% don't plan to lead a wagon anytime soon

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He literally suggested a no lim D1 in a newbie game
He’s got a ways to go.

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I’m still reading reluctance to engage as newbscum, not newbtown.

No elim d1 makes sense until you have a good think about the rules and the role list. Nervousness about playing looks like scum who’s not sure how to act.

Obviously what I said didn’t make a dent. He isn’t thinking like you. Your rules won’t apply to him very well.

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Subject: Newbie 2041 | Herbs and Spices | Game Over

and can we skip day phase?

He was town this game. You can give all the axioms you want. It doesn’t change the facts.

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@Gamma I said noelim day 1 makes sense from a newbie’s perspective. Did you think I said it doesn’t make sense?

I think I’ve lost the point here. Let’s approach this from another direction.
I feel the passive play makes sense specifically for a large. I’ve legitimately done the exact same thing fairly recently, in Guitarists Mafia. I played D1 pretty lax about wagons and pushing whatever, at least until time came to decide a lim. I expect Binatog has about the same mindset as I did that game, which was “I expect any attempt to lead is going to fail so I’m going to follow instead”. Probably not the average town’s mindset but one I can relate to and see as town.
Do you get my adamance about this now?

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I’ve had a game with you and I know you’re inclined to play that way.

But announcing your intentions unprompted that you’re going to “play support” is something else. I feel like binatong is leaning into the clueless thing too hard.

Passive play does make sense at the beginning of a large, but you don’t have to advertise it. Just do it and people will see.

I think that goes back to his newness, he probably doesn’t know how to act. I guess the smart thing to do tho is to wait and see.

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Andres seems like town
I’m not a fan of some of the things Vaxkiller seems to be taking interest in, it seems frivolous and selective?

Frivolous sure. Selective? Ewwwww.

Thank you for acknowledging me. Do you want elaboration or no?

VOTE: DGB
She vented

What does vented mean?

I was giving a joke reason for joining an alternate wagon while also referencing a recently completed game

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Just wait to you have to sift through 100+ pages of shit and you will see waht gamma means.

I’m assuming this was @ ranny
As for that thing, yeah inside joke p much

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I seriously can’t comprehend how you dolts can’t read 10 pages
I have obligations and can read just fine, y’all are just lazy atp

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I'm against the Mini wagon. I see no reason for it while I can't get a single vote on actual scummy people because after I call them out, they leave the thread.

Who are these actually scummy people you are seeing?

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Also @titus, the mini wagon aint bad, it aint great but its not bad.

It’s okay for early D1

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@ gamma

why aren't you pushing mom?

Should I be? I had to check my ISO, but I have no mentions of her so idk why you’re singling out this thread

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Titus angleshooting like that when sam also ditched mbos 10 as town is no bueno

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This is going to be a long game mentally

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That’s a stupid-as-fuck angleshoot

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That’s a stupid-as-fuck angleshoot

im not hard pushing it, i just thought that it was funny she had 2 scum reads in a 20 player.

why'd the number of scumreads mini had change for you?

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I demand a mass claim for the express purposes of role fishing

hey
hey goofball
weren't you against the massclaim in Among Us?
(:

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And honestly mom whiteknighting the Miller claim makes me more suspicious

Bbmolla meta
Bbmolla meta
Bbmolla meta

Also you feel subdued this game. Have you rand scum?

idk if NPOM feels subdued but he definitely feels off
like milk that had spoiled is how the change feels

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That’s a stupid-as-fuck angleshoot

im not hard pushing it, i just thought that it was funny she had 2 scum reads in a 20 player.

why'd the number of scumreads mini had change for you?

I mean it was clearly a typo. Why is this even a q?

You seemed to willfully misinterpret mini's post that started the conversation. I could tell it was just some reads and not a solve.
So I prodded that to see if you would double down on it.

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Gamma, why are you so cantankerous this game?

I kinda don't care how I'm perceived, and I also feel like the game is not in a state where I can really play like I want to rn which is making me cross

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Gamma, why are you so cantankerous this game?

Why are you so Kafkaesque about your terminology?

Just type like a normal person!

imagine getting pissed about someone using a single big word

tbh Nor's content hasn't shone out as town to me yet, and I know he tends to obvtown which makes me inclined to read him like I read beeboy

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Nero who are your scum reads atm if you believe we should have more than three? Or did you say that by accident knowing exactly how many scum there are? I doubt it was the last one as your questioning seems like it comes from a town. So share who your scum reads are

I hard claim informed veteran. My flavor is that I've played enough games to get a pretty accurate game size.

I think a 20 player will likely have 4 scum. 21 players are usually 5 so a mod could stretch it but there'll be at least 4.

right now my scumreads are you, maybe gamma, ranny, cheeky, plus and maybe molla. I know thats more than the 4 scum I think there are but thats where I'm at.

Nero. Be honest with me. Am I just in your scumreads because I fooled you in LN 230? It's cool if that's the case, just want to know.

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nero's bad reads probably make him town tbh

Why?
I feel like his last couple towngames I saw him in he had decent reads

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as I told chk I'm not finding it easy to play the way I want to rn
but like, how am I active lurking with second-most posts atm?

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I want to support wagons I think are good
I think all the current wagons are decent at best

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I don't feel like trying to lead this game, especially not early when there's 20 slots
and like, being lurky scum doesn't fucking work out for me looking at my recent history, it's the active games where I actually do well. And the game pace is such I could lead if I felt the need

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idk why playing multiple games would turn you into a sourpuss

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Last tiime I played in a game where someone rescinded a claim they were scum.

VOTE: BBMolla

Idk if the rescind is legit but if it is I think BBMolla should get voted out at some point because that sort of WIFOMy behavior is not something I’m gonna condone

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I’ve had a no-nonsense approach to WIFOM for a while
Are YOU scum? You’ve just shaded four people in the span of 5 posts.

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VOTE: cheekyteeky

Sorry guys for the mass spam I don't have much time but that should be enough stirring until my return xx

This is a scum approach

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Idk if the rescind is legit but if it is I think BBMolla should get voted out at some point because that sort of WIFOMy behavior is not something I’m gonna condone

L M to the fucking A O

Chill. Do you not remember To Boon?

Which one was that one? I’ve played so many it’s hard to keep track!

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Okay I checked and I flaked very early that game. Very likely missed whatever you’re referring to.

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Well, with the debacle with NPOM I could see BBMolla claiming and retracting Miller as a WIFOM “why would scum do that” play

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Can I guess what you’re probably gonna end up saying NPOM? Because I’m pretty sure it’s “scummy =/= scum”

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What did I do that was scummy?

That wasn’t what I was saying that about, but interesting reaction. Though if you really wanna know I can explain.

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Well, with the debacle with NPOM I could see BBMolla claiming and retracting Miller as a WIFOM “why would scum do that” play

Or they’re just trolling.
I find it completely NAI.

It could be trolling but with the BBMolla history that was dug up I’m not inclined to trust him about this

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The site meta is that roleblocker is a bone that the mods throw the scum team to "balance" the game. It's pretty useless for the scum when a game has trackers and PGOs but that how it rolls around here.

So naturally when I saw what looked like a roleblocker crumb, I was on it like white on rice.

Apparently noticing that makes me scum.

So you think scum was crumbing their own role? Why would they do that? Like I know they can but idk why you think they would.
Also PGOs aren’t normal, FYI

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I don't like how gamma called out angle shooting then calls 418 a scum approach and votes. I'm rethinking my vote.

SvS? Cmon, bussing with the smallest amount of pressure?

It has nothing to do with being inactive but how she’s using her active time

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What would them confirming your guess do? I know Ranny explicitly denied so I don’t exactly have to ask on that end.

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I agree with Titus in that NPOM is playing townie, Cheeky has just been shading every single player so far so not really a fan of them.

Any more reads you wanna share?
I ask because I’ve spoken of the same suspicion about Cheeky

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I am not sorry for making a mess in the post above. It was awesome and I would do it again.

VOTE: NB1

Either on a scum team with Binatog or trying hard to look like it.

I can see this like 50%

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That one confused me but I made it out as for Norfolk based on the mention of Binatog
At least it’s better than some ones I have seen while modding. Also anytime unclear votes becomes a topic of discussion I think of the clip from Survivor where the person wrote down “Denver Diva” as his vote target instead of the person’s actual name and confused Jeff

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I don't like how gamma called out angle shooting then calls 418 a scum approach and votes. I'm rethinking my vote.

SvS? Cmon, bussing with the smallest amount of pressure?

It has nothing to do with being inactive but how she’s using her active time

So is it more than just 418? How are they using their active time?

it's shading and lame posting rather than actual sorting or anything I'd really expect from town.
Plus the way she popped in and out seems like how scum typically do it, where they will have spots of decent content and spots of lack of presence. It creates a seemingly active vibe while staying under-the-radar.

this image pretty well encapsulates the vibe of 418 to me.

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Gemma also stood out, maybe because of number of posts, maybe because of the “I don’t like how this day is going, I’m not able to play how I wanted” comment which I think is pretty much how I see their day. Maybe you said it and I missed it, but...how do you want to play? Is there a particular reason why BB being BB messes with that? Especially in a game of this size?

I want to add my vote to a wagon I feel like seems decent, but there aren't many decent wagons rn (or really many wagons at all). As such I was kinda festering until I decided I'd rather vote something I felt like was shady rather than continue to broil in displeasure. If things continue to feel blah for my intended play I'll actually really drive things but for now I'm still in response mode, I just have my vote out on someone I think is scummy.
BB's behavior doesn't really mess with that, that's just a side issue I have.

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That's a nice townie entry.
++

I agree

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I ISO'd NPOM for funsies and realized his RVS vote was still active. Finding that odd some 400 posts later, I say something about it

VOTE: andresvmb

Because he can't be town all the time.

WHY YOUR VOTE IS SAME NOW

and then he straight faced says to me

Don't see anyone significantly scummy yet.

which is quite literally the opposite of

Last tiime I played in a game where someone rescinded a claim they were scum.

VOTE: BBMolla

in a span of less than 10 minutes.

But you don't understand the problem with that?

UNVOTE: MiniMegabyte
VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

this makes more sense in context, and the point I brought up earlier doesn't cover the issue

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yup
I'm totally down for Cheeky, since you brought her up as an option at the top of the page

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What newb, and which statement

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I geddit

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I'm not voting Cheeky for lurking
I was good to let NPOM be for putting that as his reason but now people are using that as a way to discredit it so I'm making it clear, no that's not my logic at all, lurking technically has to do with it but just in general cheeky is scummy

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@norweigianEE, how do you propose to give the game a push?

@gamma cheeky could be scummy, but not with the info I have. If you have a better read I’m happy to hear it. Otherwise, it feels better to push there in a day or two from my perspective. I’m not discrediting the suspicion, just don’t like that wagon rn.

It’s my understanding that it’s good to push productive wagons, especially this early in the day? But maybe I’m missing something. Is cheeky your most scummy read?

Yeah she is, and you say Cheeky isn’t scummy rn, but the key elements of her play seems to be shading others and useless commentary. That’s not what I expect from Cheeky nor what I expect from town. And her post announcing her leaving is a sign that she’s meeting some nebulous quota of content and then buggering off. Scum do that so they are seen as giving content but also have more wanted from them, keeping themselves just beyond the threshold of being voted by seeming useful.

VOTE: cheekyteeky

Sorry guys for the mass spam I don't have much time but that should be enough stirring until my return xx

This is a scum approach

*sees post number* Nice.

Just do the gamestate a favor and just start from the beginning.

I’ve been considering re-reading but still fuck you.

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Should I TM an axis of evil in this game?

uh what

By the way I think the Cheeky wagon should definitely happen with all the sudden naysayers. This feels like IKS in Guitarists mafia.

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You misunderstand. I meant elaborate so people understand where you're coming from (which is why I quoted your vote).

Okay, well I’ve kinda done that already but I can do pbpa if wanted

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the key elements of her play seems to be shading others and useless commentary. That’s not what I expect from Cheeky nor what I expect from town. And her post announcing her leaving is a sign that she’s meeting some nebulous quota of content and then buggering off. Scum do that so they are seen as giving content but also have more wanted from them, keeping themselves just beyond the threshold of being voted by seeming useful.

I think this is kind of my point, just from the other direction. It’s not what you expect from Cheeky is the part of the read I don’t have the info for. It’s not what you’d expect of town? I don’t think that’s as conclusive. If anything, the “oh don’t worry about me I’ll be back see ya” play calls a lot of unwanted attention, as your sus kinda shows. Seems easier just to...not say anything. Or throw less shade. Or do something else.

Now if this is atypical of cheeky, I like the read more. I’m actually decently interested in exploring it. Just don’t see the point when they aren’t here to chime in. Sure, we get to hear from other people, but I like it when my wagons get to experience the pressure in person. Much more satisfying imo.

Maybe I’m stupid, but I liked Mini’s most recent wall of questions, and saw them as towny. Was kinda sad I didn’t get one.

You know, if I saw several votes on me after being away for a while, I’d feel rather pressured.

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This Bypasser Catcher person is quite neat.

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lol norwee is big babyrage mad

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I'm missing our resident senile senior citizen. Things are kinda lonely and quiet without them.

Speaking of Quiet, it's taking alot to not latch onto quiet. It's really disturbing how he's so focused on the fact that he's new and fresh and green player. I feel like alot of his post amounts to IIOA and doesn't really have much of a point but at the same time he's trying

really hard[/I[ to engage and interact with the people around him

I think I'm predisposed to not liking Norwee fellow and i personally don't see anything alarming about the hydrae

Which... Ironically is a point against space Hydra. I always have an impression on Gamma

you've got your games mixed there, no hydrae are allowed in normals. It's just me.

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Omg

Gammas on his own here.

Just proves how underwhelming he is...

..... Oops

I have second-most posts here and feel like I've been driving a good amount of conversation. The fact you think I am underwhelming is probably a bad sign for you.

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Gamma where are your reads at. You seem like a lad who's had significant in thread interactions

Cheeky seems like scum. BBMolla also looks scummy. I also think scum are resistant to the Cheeky wagon mostly.
For townreads, I think Ranny, Titus, and chk might be my base.

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Momrangal is prob town too.

Why?
Btw would you say you are outside of your scum range atp?

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NPOM is just Not Good in general i was cringing at his reads and engagements. Mostly useless

I like that BC acknowledges this, Amished tell is a concern and I think the fact BC was willing to state this, and the way they stated it, seems towny.

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Momrangal is prob town too.

Why?
Btw would you say you are outside of your scum range atp?

I sensed no scum motivation from their interaction with me earlier. It just pinged me as town.
If i'm outside of my scum range? Well i'm not gonna tell you what to think. I want to hear what other people have to say. I'm not gonna perform some self-evaluation like i'm on a job interview.

I’m not closed to Mom!town but I’ll need to probably see it myself
As for you, I feel like I’ve liked some of your positions and your activity level looks good but some of your reactions have me concerned.
Can you link some scumgames where you posted a lot?

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Norwegian is townier than Cheeks, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

CheekyTeeky's 20-post iso has not one town tell in it. I'm not seeing micro scum tells but on the macro level, his posts are a whole lot of avoiding getting engaged in the game, while giving off the thinnest veneer of participation.

Would yeet with big boot.

Leaning scum on CheekyTeeky. I don’t want to co-sign Titus’s angleshoot but I’ll be keeping an eye out.

I’m not feeling the Plus wagon. I don’t know him per se but in the one game I had with him, he caved as town like corn starch caves to water. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s scum on it looking for LHF.

I don't like how every time a low-content slot is pushed recently, someone will inevitably bring out the term 'LHF'. There is absolutely nothing from Plus' ISO that suggests they are Town. These are exactly the sort of slots that need sorting D1.

Screaming "LHF" is how you save your scumpal's keister if you are too chicken to bus.

Since I'm iso'ing lurksacks (always a good place to find scum), I have to say Hayker makes a good point here.

I get fakeclaiming dayvig, daycop, PGO,

odd-night ninja serial killer mason

... but

miller

? It sounds like an impulsive scum move that was recanted after someone suddenly recalled that rolecops are a thing.

im not a miller but look how much fun we had

I don't know how I missed this before. Probably trying to play these games with just my phone. You fake claimed miller? Was this move just for discussion purposes? This does not feel townie at all to me. Miller can cause a lot of chaos and confusion to the town, and fake claiming it at that.

Heybbmolla

BBmolla

Binatog's 17 posts not only lack in town tells, but they appear actively scummy.

We have newbies aplenty but it's rare to see a player do nothing but (1) repeatedly flash the newbie card, (2) claim ignorance of everything, (3) vague questions without follow up and (4) terse IIoA.

Norfolk is a good example of a lurker that drops town tells. It can be done.

Momrangal's thought processes look scatterbrained and disorganized; I cannot read this slot yet.

I think these posts are all solid. This does mean I’m getting warier of Binatog btw.

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Gamma where are your reads at. You seem like a lad who's had significant in thread interactions

Cheeky seems like scum. BBMolla also looks scummy. I also think scum are resistant to the Cheeky wagon mostly.
For townreads, I think Ranny, Titus, and chk might be my base.

Why do I look scummy

combination of the boring tell and your Miller claim and retraction.

NPOM is just Not Good in general i was cringing at his reads and engagements. Mostly useless

I like that BC acknowledges this, Amished tell is a concern and I think the fact BC was willing to state this, and the way they stated it, seems towny.

I don’t have time to look at the moment can you quote the amished tell for me

I cite it more than anyone and it’s super situational

It’s situational, but my thinking is BC is wary of invoking it even if not aware of the tell itself, and the fact she was willing to call NPOM’s behavior out with that makes me trust her more.
Also atp BC is a solid TR

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CheekyTeeky

has requested replacement.

Not_Mafia

has asked to enter the replacement queue.

Not_Mafia

replaces

CheekyTeeky

Something pings about this

[Gamma Emerald]

Isn't it illegal to talk about why people replace out?

I didn’t say anything about that

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Reason for replacement aside.
Their slot was scummy, was given a chance to prove they were town and didn’t.
Then NM started trolling.

They still haven’t towntold whatsoever and i think it would be a good elimination for today.

This ^
But I may have concerns about the replacement aside from any matter of “why?”

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Wait
Mom = momrangal
So who is Dad?

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Thinking about it mom’s choice of targets is rather problematic, she’s going after high-activity slots (me and Nor), which kinda seems counter-intuitive.

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What exactly changed your mind about that slot? Is there any meta element to that change, either connected to NM or not?

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Okay
How does NM compare to IKS in Guitarists?

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Okay
How does NM compare to IKS in Guitarists?

S'pose it's similar, sure, the difference here being that I was vehemently wrong as the replacement who didn't like that wagon instead of being the guy that didn't have interest in the wagon's reason or purpose until an unbearablyyyyyfun player took up the slot.

Ask a more direct question next time, please, because that's a weighted and pointed question. Don't think I don't see you.

I'm just trying to gauge your breaking point

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Gamestate just declared not_mafia town. The fact hes at hammer distance this fast with no real cooperation between townies shows it.
Town are just voting bc of playstyle dislike and scum are piling on.

less than half the votes came after NM came in. And what suggests "no cooperation between townies" in the wagon?
My pool of who you might be has become 2 rather than 1, and if you're the new potential person, I'm very suspicious of you attempting to steer the pressure off like this.

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What on earth is this absolute garbage tier shit posting.

vote:not_mafia

Absolute rubbish. This is considered allowed play?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

E-1

.

these two are also going to be scrutinized if NM flips scum

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Gamestate just declared not_mafia town. The fact hes at hammer distance this fast with no real cooperation between townies shows it.
Town are just voting bc of playstyle dislike and scum are piling on.

Sometimes this way of thinking is accurate, but it's been a weird slot since the beginning and I could easily see scum distancing themselves from it.

And yet you were the first to flinch. Try again.

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The alt is Dkkoba.
As they alt slipped earlier i feel no obligation to stay quiet about it.

okey
yeah BC is not locktown rn

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the only alternate to NM I might accept rn is Hayker

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the only alternate to NM I might accept rn is Hayker

How is Hayker any different from plusJOYED

Hayker had a sketchy NM vote
PlusJOYED was just a name drawn out of a hat.

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'kay.
VOTE: hayker

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So what are we going to do if the claim is proven false and then NM is like “LOL I TROL U, lemme make up another claim real quick”

we kill it because there's no claim he can make that would make me okay with him living after mini 2170

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought “even night” was on “neighborizer”, not “weak”

Both modifiers would apply to the Neighborizer. Weak isn’t a role by itself I don’t think.

this ^

[Gamma Emerald]

wait, what's up ranny?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: bbmolla
this works

[Gamma Emerald]

it's probably a joke but if he does switch claims he dies on the spot

[Gamma Emerald]

If Not_Mafia is completely full of it, it would become obvious to a decent enough Town at some point. Either Claim, actually. That’s why I wasn’t worried about narrowing it down.

I agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

im sad because i lean scum on NM here

Huh
If we wanna vote BC I think that’s a good move

[Gamma Emerald]

NM has a claim that can be confirmed
BC doesn’t and has sketchy interactions with NM

[Gamma Emerald]

this is flipping town

im sad because i lean scum on NM here

ok i've decided I want to keep NM around just for the comedic content.

This progression is ass
VOTE: Bypasser Catcher
I’m gonna ante up on this

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

That sounds really dishonest, if I'm being honest, Gamma.

I'm not going to explain why you are wrong right now so I can get info on other people's reaction to your move - but I will say your reasoning and logic is notably weak. Are you perhaps bluffing and hoping to get a reaction out of me?

Keep in mind you came into a slot that had a lower starting point for how I was reading it, since NPOM hadn't been especially towny before he got force-replaced. So really it's just a piece of the puzzle. You came in to a scumread slot, posted things that I thought were towny for the incorrect person I thought you were, I recalibrated when I found out your real identity and had less confidence in my townread but still felt you were kinda town, and then your NM handling brought you back into the SR zone. So with that, I don't think my read is that weak or that I'm being dishonest. And no this isn't intended as a reaction test.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

That sounds really dishonest, if I'm being honest, Gamma.

I'm not going to explain why you are wrong right now so I can get info on other people's reaction to your move - but I will say your reasoning and logic is notably weak. Are you perhaps bluffing and hoping to get a reaction out of me?

Keep in mind you came into a slot that had a lower starting point for how I was reading it, since NPOM hadn't been especially towny before he got force-replaced. So really it's just a piece of the puzzle. You came in to a scumread slot, posted things that I thought were towny for the incorrect person I thought you were, I recalibrated when I found out your real identity and had less confidence in my townread but still felt you were kinda town, and then your NM handling brought you back into the SR zone. So with that, I don't think my read is that weak or that I'm being dishonest. And no this isn't intended as a reaction test.

So here's where I point out that your claim that my progression is "terrible" is bunk.
Between the point where you quoted that I said NM is prob town and shifted to a scumlean, there were 300 posts Gamma. 300. I recently played a game with NM where I was able to correctly sort them as town in a vanilla setup. This isn't a place where I'm seeing the same vibe from NM. I'm not infallible. I make mistakes. I'm definitely allowed to rectify them later when I see evidence that shows that I was wrong.

As for that last quote, that was mostly facetious with light seriousness that I want the claim to play out. You also scumlean the slot as per your recent posts. You can understand the PoV then why I want that too. You come off as a person who takes every statement people make as serious especially over text so I don't fault you for thinking I was just "flip flopping" there.

I said I'd wait for more reactions but I'm feeling impatient at the lack of activity rn.

Also you pinpointed the exact theory I had in my head about what I noticed wrt your progression on my slot.

So what brings you to believe this is specifically me being scum, seeing as your read is also based in who is occupying the slot?

I guess your NM read makes more sense now, though I’m not entirely willing to drop this. I will however
VOTE: Hayker

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamestate just declared not_mafia town. The fact hes at hammer distance this fast with no real cooperation between townies shows it.
Town are just voting bc of playstyle dislike and scum are piling on.

Sometimes this way of thinking is accurate, but it's been a weird slot since the beginning and I could easily see scum distancing themselves from it.

And yet you were the first to flinch. Try again.

I don’t know what you mean.

If I’m looking for people distancing from NM you’re a prime suspect.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

Are you town reading not_mafia?

he could be town, but even if he's scum the things BC did for him looked questionable

[Gamma Emerald]

i like feel the prssue to solve d1 cause im afraid of dyng n1 does that make sense

I'll be sure to sheep you if you get N1ed, I modded micro 977 so I know you're a potent town player
but I'm not willing to trust you aorn because bending showed you are fierce scum as well

[Gamma Emerald]

alright i wanna say this too: i wanna say that im comfortable townblocking these people right now: luca blight, andres, gamma, binatog(i know, hot take but thats my view. but trust me on it if i die tonight. at least for d2/d3.)

close to doing so: norwegianboy
potential addition down the line: ranny, titus

Not sure Binatog is THAT strong of a townread for me. But everything else seems fine.
Titus i don't trust until i've got a better read on them, but they can stay in the game for now as they don't ping me negatively.

tbh the one I'm most concerned about adding is luca
andres, you, and titus are a-ok, binatog I think is fine for now but I'm personally skeptical of him, ranny I'm good with

[Gamma Emerald]

idk, dog show champions Nero didn't seem super-engaged but town!Nero does trend towards being engaged when I look at LN 230 and MBoS 10

[Gamma Emerald]

lol why

[Gamma Emerald]

how does he know to respond to that specifically though?

[Gamma Emerald]

He did pop in and say he was gone for the weekend + I'm in private comms with him for reasons

and I'm presuming NM's claim got discussed in your private channel with Nero? What did you specifically say about it? Or does reasons mean oog reasons?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gaise hydrae exist

I understand what this is talking about
mom isn't claiming anything with Nero in this game, and I presume didn't tell him anything about NM's claim
as such I'm still curious how he figured out that was a thing that happened

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda can relate to where mom is coming from here because in a past game I had bonus knowledge of a player’s VLA status through just general talks on discord and I ended up TRing them because of how they handled the game while on VLA, which iirc drew some unwanted attention onto me

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero's play as town and scum is visibly and clearly defined.
As scum they barely take part in the game, as town they are very involved.
They've had a lot of time to get caught up and they still hold the same stance after so many pages. In previous large's they change their vote many times.

Check out Large 230. And his towngames.
The difference is night and day.

What is your experience with scum!Nero?

[Gamma Emerald]

mom’s Nero defense is NAI rn and that’s the last of it

[Gamma Emerald]

if Mom is scum she knows that im town. It's not impossible that she'd defend me for the town cred. Though she could just be kinda honorable scum that thinks it's disgusting that I'm being pushed for BS reasoning. Though if she's town and knows I'm being pushed for BS reasoning she'd try to stop what she thinks is a ML.

I don’t like the train of thought here. Why is your starting point talking about what mom!scum would do? I would think it more natural to start by referring to how she knows you are inactive rather than make this a thing about “whether she’d defend you as scum/town”. She’s been clear about what is giving her the perspective she has in her defense of you and it’s NAI.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nero Cain
Not the response I wanted.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s a wait-and-see read I’d say

[Gamma Emerald]

ok im gonna claim it cause yolo but im mason with 1 person i placed in my townblofck.

Is this real

[Gamma Emerald]

Er, which one

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwegian also voted him, and maybe one more person I am forgetting

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with Norwegian that Nero isn’t showing his solving that I’ve gotten used to seeing from him in his town games, and he just generally seems disengaged. His response to me and the momrangal defense was what tipped me over the edge though, since rather than engage the conversation as a whole he tried to put out a fake sorting response of whether momrangal would defend him like that as town or scum. I would expect town to have an approach like “I’m not able to active because of irl, momrangal knows that, and (alignment discussion stuff)”. That’s not what Nero did, instead he dived into the alignment stuff because I presume that’s what he thought people wanted. In addition I feel like his knowledge of NM’s claim is a glaring issue, and I’m not one to let go of that sort of thing lightly because I know scum can and have made that sort of knowledge slip in that past. I caught Wisdom once off of that sort of thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

We should direct Not_Mafia’s night action, right? We don’t want him targeting someone who is likely Town.

I suggest eliminating either PlusJOYED/Hayker and letting Not_Mafia target the other.

Keep in mind he’s even night

[Gamma Emerald]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Chinese_Fire_Drill

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... erminology

Please refer to the above thread to determine which MU are and are not acceptable and what alternatives can be used

Cool thread
But consider! Chinese fire drill is a term for something in real life. That thing in real life is comparable to the vote movement seen in a flash wagon/cfd. In addition cfd carries different weight than flash wagon, they have similar meanings but have a different vibe, cfds are more frantic. It’s like how I use different words for the elimination, if I’m just in a normal mood I’ll use eliminate/lim, but when there’s a forcefulness I want to indicate I use yeet.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll put it simpler language so you can understand.

Preference for elim as it stands: PlusJOYED -> Hayker -> Nero.

What’s scummy in PJ’s actual posts

[Gamma Emerald]

not a lot has changed for me from the early game and ppl that argue that my reads HAVE to change are dumb as fuck. Though Andres, Luca, and Quiet all seem p scummy and maybe im not so gung-ho about Plus being scum. Could also envision that a buncha shittier town (norway, chk, gamma) are voting me while the scum are in you and quiet while other scum like Luca and Mom are willing but hesitant to vote me.

Lame post
Would honestly been a better look if you kept SRing me

[Gamma Emerald]

I just don't want to play and catchup and I don't think its great thing to put someone else into a widely scumread slot. I don't think my scumhunting will be missed. So just eliminate me.

You read a lot like me in MBoS 10 mate

[Gamma Emerald]

that's not a v good summary of the thread

i was getting tunneled wich is why norway, gamma, chk, bypass and mom and u were light pushing me.

Mom was actually attacking some of the votes on you
Besides that, what makes you say Norway/chk/BC/I are tunneling you? I wouldn’t say that is representative of a good number of those people’s opinions on you, mine included
If you can give well reasoned thoughts on a good number of slots that’ll probably make me more interested in reconsidering. But I see some common threads in how you’re playing here rn and how I handled pressure in MBoS 10 so the more of those I sense the more your lim appeals to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

like, I don't want to have to sit there and dodge accusations that im "lurking" for the rest of the game b/c I choose to watch football for a weekend as I will next weekend.

Luca is just scum.

I’m fine if you want to watch football, your time is your time
But your actions when you have played aren’t characteristic of town!you at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Norwegian: Is Nero the type to get salty as Town like this?

While this wasn’t directed at me I can surely answer this. I feel like Nero does get salty as town but it’s more zesty than this. This seems less like “town calling out your wrongness” Nero and more like “scum upset he’s getting wagoned over weak stuff” Nero.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero ignoring all those arguments about his play and constantly focusing on his leave being due to real life distractions just reeks of excuses for why he's not been his regular self this game. If he was town he'd at least acknowledge that he's been somewhat different this game and not just because he watches football.

This ^

[Gamma Emerald]

Also gonna use this post to blatantly soft a protective role. Don't mind this post. Theres a big gate on it, you can't get into it.

wait nvm but still vax slipped uninformed

seems legit

[Gamma Emerald]

And please lets not pretend that having a Town executed that can probably contribute to the game isn’t something worth pursuing as Scum.

Yeah, but I definitely wouldn't have gone about it in this manner as scum, there would have been no need to. Nero had literally given up.

I was also very open to him being Town if he was able to give a decent catch-up, but he wasn't.

so u think i'll flip town but u are voting me for "giving up" how town u r

lol
Check ur tenses m8

[Gamma Emerald]

hi gamma am I town now

You’re a townlean atp I’d say

[Gamma Emerald]

Another reason I think Nero will flip scum is that his reads seem deliberately bad - he's FoS'ing obvtown players, which seems like a) he's too lazy to fake decent reads and b) he realises he'll still probably be eliminated and doesn't want to give away too much associative info.

I had a similar idea about him not wanting to give away associatives, based on him limited the scope of his reads were

[Gamma Emerald]

see this is why I didn't want to play b/c shit players like norway and Gamma will continue to tunnel me so im just wasting my fucking time. Although I still am giving reads and content but its like u guys can't progress beyond a basic lvl.

yeah this isn’t ironic at all
You realize the one time you confidently TRed me like ever, I was scum? You constantly SR me in my town games with no sign of actual improvement in how you read me, and here you had me as an SR until you decided I was bad town for some reason. Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative. I don’t see any particular point in my play here that should have made your read flip like that.

Besides that, what makes you say Norway/chk/BC/I are tunneling you?

prob b/c u 3 are voting me.

But I see some common threads in how you’re playing here rn and how

I handled pressure in MBoS 10

so the more of those I sense the more your lim appeals to me.

yes gamma, everyone plays like u

LMFAO voting =/= tunneling and you trying to make that false equivalency is a sign you’re not genuinely approaching with a town mindset.
And while I don’t think our play styles are similar at all, I think this specific situation you ended up doing the exact same things I did there. Getting outraged about being pressured while away, check. Catch-up abandoned halfway through, check. Horrible reads that suggest an agenda, checkity check. Homing in on a certain issue in order to have a safe push? All the checks! It’s eerily similar and the kicker is, none of those things I did in MBoS 10 are things I’d say were driven by my idiosyncrasies. So you matching my play there is pretty damning imo, since that play was a response to a situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mom was actually attacking some of the votes on you

she was but she also said

It almost feels like you're trying to continue to stay on my good side so that I'll defend you further

Why couldn't Nero cain be a viable wagon?

so i mean she's deff pushing for my wagon but not doing any heavy lifting.

In all fairness, I think momrangal’s approach to you was pretty towny. She questioned the votes on you, but wasn’t necessarily TRing you, but it wasn’t like she was trying to discredit your wagon or fish for reasons to vote you, her concerns looked legitimate.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

We're finally on the wagon of a slot that will actually be quite informative about the gamestate once flipped and it also seems likely they are scum.
And you want to go back to the shit lurker wagon that could just be town and tells us nothing.

Smh.

I think Hayker happening over Nero would tell us a lot actually

[Gamma Emerald]

So you matching my play there is pretty damning imo, since that play was a response to a situation.

if u got eliminated in MBOS10. Why would I want to copy want u did?

I’m not saying you saw my play in that game and copied it. I’m saying the circumstances around you in this game resemble the circumstances around me in that game, and you’re playing in a way I’d expect scum to play, chiefly because I was scum who played that way. I’m in no way arguing you consciously emulated me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmmm I feel like I was piggy backed pretty hard, I never expressed a TR on Nero, I just hated the reasons for the scum-reads on his slot

I thought you were calling us lurkers because we have lives and can't post 50 posts a day

i mean, if i sat online all day and played mafia all day I prob could do it but....

I feel like our hydra drew scum just enough times that I understand that you have the instinct to get behind whoever it is that is correctly scum-reading your slot while keeping up your typical Nero sass regardless of that person current sway of the game state.

It almost feels like you're trying to continue to stay on my good side so that I'll defend you further

I don’t feel like mom was really considering voting you prior to these posts

[Gamma Emerald]

I just don't want to play and catchup and I don't think its great thing to put someone else into a widely scumread slot. I don't think my scumhunting will be missed. So just eliminate me.

You read a lot like me in MBoS 10 mate

Gamma wrong town

I'm curious what your particular thoughts are on this matter. You also played that game so you should have some decent insight. How is Nero's posting different from the pattern I described within 1935? Or if that's not where you disagree, why don't you think that sort of behavior is scum-indicative for Nero/in general?

[Gamma Emerald]

pls hammer me, im done

I'm not
UNVOTE:
with a likelihood of moving onto Hayker soon

[Gamma Emerald]

i low key thing Gamma is just venge voting me b/c I caught him in MBOS10 but Quit following the bad meta case seems a lil' scummy.

Could be a subconscious motive but I don't think it's anything more than that, similar to how I had the subconscious OMGUS when I shot you in Real Folk Blues rematch
like, I've made a big fuss about you playing similarly, so I think part of what drives that could be displeasure I got voted out like I did that game and wanting to enact a sort of eye-for-an-eye where I feel like you're playing similarly to that and it seems scummy so I'm ending up projecting my thoughts onto you and wanting to get you out the same way I got voted out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree on gamma, we got scum pings on the same post for two different reasons

I don't feel like that makes the SR more valid per se. Everyone has their own perspective, and certain things may come off as sketchy generally but have different aspects that people latch on to.

fine, i'll sheep u on bypass

VOTE: Hayker

Whats your current solve Titus? NM. Luca, Hayker, Quiet?

these are ppl that I don't townread-the players on my wagon.

These posts by Nero kinda seem natural. It reminds me of how he formed his reads in LN 230. I still am concerned about his noticing the NM claim without a clear reason for paying attention to it, but I think the things Titus and Nero are saying rn resonate with me enough for me to look past that rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

the reason nm isn't voting me while calling me scum is b/c there's already too many of his scumbuddies on my wagon and they don't want to bunch up..

I shall convert you into a wagonomics player.

Please don't use MU terms

imo wagonomics is different enough from VCA that it deserves its own term. My view is that VCA is very data-based and relies on flips, whilst wagonomics is more feeling-based and reads the wagon speed, voting reasons, and other elements that VCA overlooks to determine what a wagon should flip in real time. VCA judges past wagons, wagonomics judges current wagons is a good simple expression of what the differences are I'd say.

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree on gamma, we got scum pings on the same post for two different reasons

I don't feel like that makes the SR more valid per se. Everyone has their own perspective, and certain things may come off as sketchy generally but have different aspects that people latch on to.

fine, i'll sheep u on bypass

VOTE: Hayker

Whats your current solve Titus? NM. Luca, Hayker, Quiet?

these are ppl that I don't townread-the players on my wagon.

These posts by Nero kinda seem natural. It reminds me of how he formed his reads in LN 230. I still am concerned about his noticing the NM claim without a clear reason for paying attention to it, but I think the things Titus and Nero are saying rn resonate with me enough for me to look past that rn.

how is that not a major red flag

It kinda is, but the things I'm seeing meet/exceed the feeling I have on that and I was pretty confident about my read (I will not say tunneled because I didn't take a lot of prompting to reconsider, it just took hitting the right note for me) so I want to take a step back
this is the part of my play that I'm pretty sure you may not be familiar with that is a staple of my play, which is my sudden shifts in how I view things based on seemingly random influences. You wanna know part of why I have Terezi from Homestuck as my pfp? It's because I consider my playstyle to be aptly described by the classpect pairing "Bard of Mind" (one who destroys through logic, but has unstable logic within themselves).

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma

step back


realize ur tryign to way too big brain what is right in front of you.

nero has way too many logical inconsistencies with their actions vs their words at this point to say they are town.

I think enough of them feel like they make sense within my understanding of him to look past them

[Gamma Emerald]

scummy =/= scum
I feel like you should just let me be on this. You don't need to stop pushing Nero but I'm doing my own thing that I'd like to figure out if I'm right about or not, I don't want you trying to talk me out of it at every point.

[Gamma Emerald]

no.

when i say scummy

i mean .

alignm,ent indicative scummy.

not that bullshit ass yee yee shit ppl say when someone says something wrong.

okay. What's the scum motive for the claim when it sticks out like a sore thumb, and he retracted it pretty quickly after?

[Gamma Emerald]

no.

when i say scummy

i mean .

alignm,ent indicative scummy.

not that bullshit ass yee yee shit ppl say when someone says something wrong.

okay. What's the scum motive for the claim when it sticks out like a sore thumb, and he retracted it pretty quickly after?

because suckers like you buy it and think "oh this is how town would react here it cant be scum"

recognize lolcatting when it happens pls

idk I'll need to get a better picture of the exact situation when it happened but I feel like his defeatist attitude is a bit overwrought for scum atp

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm doing the opposite of discrediting ppl fwiw. I'm giving ppl, btw that I townread and believe should be townblocked, the confirmation that their thought process is shared by me as well.

I firmly believe that behavior pattern is one scum sometimes employ either consciously or subconsciously to have someone to shift or share blame with for their stances.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let’s spare a replacement from having to read 82 pages and just elim Hayker’s slot

I have legit scumvibes from the slot but this is fine too

I mean im not saying its the case to end all cases but scum being an opinionless void and buddying up to players is a thing. I don't care about your opinion b/c you also thought my case on scum Taylor was bad in our last game so WTF do u know?

A single wrong read and you're going to act like i'm clueless.
Since when did you become such an ass?

he's kinda always like this, earlier on I felt like he was being pissy in a whiny way but recently he actually feels more pointed.

was reading BCs iso and came across this

The points against NM is fair though, and I'm aware of cheekys preferences and NMs disposition to games but I would hate to lynch on policy, which is what it does kinda feel like to me

if NM is indeed scum then this post makes Mom look pretty bad

I had similar feeling on this when I first read it, I think that mom's read progression on you was actually quite natural, enough to outweigh my previous scumvibes on her.

[Gamma Emerald]

I keep reading N_M posts as BC posts before realizing it's not.

That avatar is hypnotic.

I'm switching horses here, because this flip will confirm a lead I want to pursue later.

VOTE: Nero

Alright. What is this lead you want to confirm?

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone else vote Nero omg

don't
I don't have confidence it flips scum rn + I'm trying to read the pages I haven't yet

[Gamma Emerald]

huh I guess the nero wagon was viable after all.

I may have had very light reasons to vote Nero when I jumped on the wagon from Hayker, but I am exceptionally happy to be on this wagon right now. My vote stays. Don't buy the claim whatsoever. The only progression I saw was anger at everyone voting them -> depression self vote -> no point in bargaining -> acceptance of their fate. But also I know for a fact I don't like playing with angry players, and that might be coloring my read. I didn't have the time I wanted to read over old games, but I'm satisfied enough with what has been said.

Plus I'm with Norfolk, and a few others. This sure as hell seems to provide a lot more info than Hayker's elim.

Also the gamestate seemed to change pretty seriously since I last posted. Today was some early susses, then an almost casual hammer on NM, a slow moving, stalled out wagon on Hayker, then whatever the hell the last 20something pages have been of fighting over Nero's slot. Three very different wagons.

Does anyone have a take on why the game slowed down when Hayker was up? Is it just because it wasn't a very exciting elim?

thinking about this the Nero wagon in this game seems similar to the Pretentious wagon in LN 230
I'm officially not at all okay with limming Nero Cain today, everyone out of the wagon
VOTE: Hayker
I'd like to go with this, barring another sudden change or someone actually making the PJ wagon sensible to me

[Gamma Emerald]

i got more vote in a day and a half then anyone got in the previous week, do u guys really think that scum was not piling on me?

just vote me already.

Nero I'd like for you to think about what I said about the way your wagon compares to Pretentious' wagon in that large normal. In addition, I'd like if you could cool off and give a broad readlist covering most if not all the slots in the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't legitimately expect everyone to listen to me, that was a fancy way of saying my support for it was gone

[Gamma Emerald]

Even so, what makes you so sure Hayker would be scum, Gamma?

Like, if you had a daycop shot to use for an instakill right now.
Would that really be your shot?

tbh I'm not too sure but the options so far have been NM (not doing because of the claim), PJ (still don't get the wagon logic), Nero (don't want anymore because of wagonomics), and Hayker. In addition a fair number of people have also expressed suspicion of Hayker, to the point that seems like a wagon enough people would flip to. As for why I suspect Hayker specifically, I feel like he's opportunistically hopped on multiple wagons and is in a spot of inactivity that makes sense from scum.
for the question in the second quote, idk what exactly you mean by that?

[Gamma Emerald]

god. u gave them an inch and look at how their tune has changed.

We'll see if the tune changes in the way it should

all you need to pin Nero as scum is their reaction to being close to hammer. everything around the tracker claim to now is like peak caught scum behavior.

I don't entirely agree with this, but ig it's fine you think this, I can see how you do. It's why I've prompted Nero to provide the things I asked for.

[Gamma Emerald]

LHF can still be scum
btw Norway, what's your take on my comparisons to MBoS 10 and LN 230?

[Gamma Emerald]

BC pls unvote, I'm not okay letting this day end without giving it more time to play out

[Gamma Emerald]

Told you.

[Gamma Emerald]

No he really wasn’t imo
And Nero isn’t a kid wtf

[Gamma Emerald]

Mid-night replacements get NKed a lot
But Mini was a prominent D1 wagon so whoever killed MathBlade made a big mistake as that will make D1 VCA easier whenever that is worked on

[Gamma Emerald]

I am only interested in executing in {quiet, Luca Blight, Bypasser} today.

@Gamma thoughts?

I’ll need to hear why but I’d possibly be down for a Luca vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I am only interested in executing in {quiet, Luca Blight, Bypasser} today.

@Gamma thoughts?

I’ll need to hear why but I’d possibly be down for a Luca vote

Those are the scummiest voters in the Nero wagon.

Talk about why?
Also I would like to know what your view on Hayker is

[Gamma Emerald]

how would town!me see it.

i deadass drove 3 town miselims in our normal game when we were both town why are u so surprised.

im better in micros.

Your reads were good in Betrayal
>:?

[Gamma Emerald]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

[Gamma Emerald]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

why?

andres isn't an IC bud.

im retracting their logic to see how they reached the conclusion that i have to be part of their limpool today over anyone else.

Why do you say that?

[Gamma Emerald]

You weren’t there for Large Normal 230 Dk
The first two miselims were on townies who acted scummy. Pretentious had an inconsistent approach when it came to survivalism and how he interacted with people, and Guillotina faked a guilty because he made a bad move as tracker. Scummy =/= scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

Do you have quote-by-selection on in your posting preferences?

[Gamma Emerald]

You weren’t there for Large Normal 230 Dk
The first two miselims were on townies who acted scummy. Pretentious had an inconsistent approach when it came to survivalism and how he interacted with people, and Guillotina faked a guilty because he made a bad move as tracker. Scummy =/= scum.

I am voting quiet. There are a few folks here who seem to be pushing what, Titus who wasn’t on Nero and Hayker who didn’t vote? So nobody is even trying to seriously look at the Nero wagon? C’mon now Gamma wake up.

What? I think your suspect pool is alright, I’m just doing my own questioning. Why slam me like this?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not defending BC?

[Gamma Emerald]

Unfortunate.

Read through Mini’s posts just now, but didn’t see any breadcrumbs even in retrospect or tells that could tip of that they were a PR. So I now have no idea why that kill happens. Maybe the whole “scum lurk” meta is kinda just not true.

Of the three people Andre sussed on the Nero wagon, I think I look the worst. I think the reasoning that BC gave on himself (“why would I burn all my towncred day1 pushing town as visibly as I did”) also holds for Luca to some degree. Seems to me scum would just hop on for light reasons, vote quietly, or say “I don’t know about this but whatever”, not be the face of the miselim. I think I fall into that same category, more than those other two.

As I said yesterday, my reason for jumping on the Nero wagon was light, but when I came back and saw the E-3 claim of tracker and the vitriolic pushback, I became very happy with my vote. I didn’t buy the claim for a second; that sealed the deal for me. Unfortunate that it was wrong. Apparently VT frustrated fakeclaims are a thing.

This doesn’t seem too off-base imo
I have a bit of a passionate streak when it comes to certain policy lims, namely policy lims for toxicity. I feel like to some degree Nero was being toxic, though I was trying to work with him to get that to stop.

[Gamma Emerald]

Am going to have to see if the Mini flip gives any info, and didn’t do as much over the night to read back as I’d wanted, so I’m hoping I have better takes in a bit, but right now:

The vocal scum push on Nero only makes sense if Hayker was also scum. Otherwise if scum on the wagon, it seems to me it would be quieter scum. But also given the last two flips lurkey scum meta might just be a hoax.

NM still is scummy.

Imo scum are lurky more than they’re active, but not all scum are lurky
But yeah I think Hayker!scum would probably means scum actively tried to get Nero limmed

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo Titus, isn't Mathblade your brother or am I fucking up usernames again?

I'm going to claim and use my 1-shot Gelatinous Cube ability, hereby absorbing all of Nero Cain's reads and portraying them as my own moving forward.

VOTE: Titus

Because Titus is always scum, even when Nero is scum.

But for serious I'm curious what she's got for me.

I’m pretty sure it’s a D&D thing too but you mentioning Gelatinous Cubes made me smile because I got the movie Onward + watched it for my birthday
And yeah Titus seems like a suspect for the kill imo, but I don’t want to vote her just yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why have a D1 that long with all that content to vote a player based on the speculation that they were afraid of another player replacing into a slot that had not posted at all? Genius.

Ok big brain.
Why did Mathblade die?
Big mislim potential but they were killed.

Why are you asking me something only Scum know? I have no idea why Mini / Math was the choice, outside of the obvious fact that they were a PR.

This could legit be a teammate to Titus if they are scum.
What is this logic, you don’t know what scum was thinking but they might have killed Mini because they are PR? Where did they PR crumb?

Tbqh I haven’t entirely liked Andres’ posting today so far
But I’m unsure whether it’s him scum posting or just a bit of alienation

[Gamma Emerald]

There's got to be scum pushing the only reason to kill Math is fear. The fact of the matter is scum could have killed Math to prevent a shakeup in the town.

Second, I largely agreed with Nero on his reads. Miselimming me and Nero would possibly allow scum to steamroll.

Which reads of Nero’s did you agree with?

[Gamma Emerald]

and yet scum killed outside the supposed "core" that was being built d1.

That's the kind of NK I'd make, trying to save the mod some work and I hate dealing with lurksacks regardless of my alignment.

I only do that if I feel like it would be dishonorable to win by exploiting town apathy

Btw I think in the NM vs. Norfolk debate I don’t like how NM changed his claim but it wasn’t under pressure so I can let it slide.

[Gamma Emerald]

im more trustworthy of people who scumread nero after the stupid fakeclaim bullshit they pulled. cuz town perspective 100% sees that shit as scumfuck shit.

idgaf how u twist it u dont get to discredit anyone pushing the nero lim just for pushing nero cause there were valid reasons for it. to toss someone's towniness away just cause u didnt like the wagon they pushed is absurd.

the early votes are more likely to be scum. luca im reconsidering bc of their meta shit they pushed but otherwise idgi

No. I still TR Norway and momrangal. The other early votes I might be able to see as scum but those two I definitively TR.

[Gamma Emerald]

i refuse to believe that nero is some good player after the shit they pulled lmfao

good players dont gamethrow

Good players can have bad games. I don’t like how hard you’re slamming Nero posthumously rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

just ufcking acknowledge nero was playing against their wincon lmfao

I can admit that, but that didn’t make voting him out right. He didn’t seem like he couldn’t be reined in. My opinion on policying people who act like Nero was is I only really do it if I don’t think it can be reconciled. Nero seemed like he was willing to work with me, he was playing against wincon but I feel like I had the ability to get him to stop that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bypasser Catcher is still obvtown and i’m never eliminating there. Even if they were on the Nero wagon.

I disagree that BC is obvtown

[Gamma Emerald]

ok sorry im flooding the game with this dumb discussion.

im gonna just step back and let shit happen im just annoyed in general at this game cuz i was hoping at least some1 on hayker wagon would die so id feel confirmed that that was the right path.

This post is actually alright

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbf I wish NM had waited to out the guilty
I kinda wanted to pressure PJ today
But I’m not too upset he did thinking about his situation

[Gamma Emerald]

Not enough game presence or pull to make it worth the inevitable execution the next day.

How does scumNM avoid execution tmmrw in any circumstance? I was under the impression they always die tmmrw.

No one claims neighborized by them. Okay so they’re scum.

I guess they could have held to the tracker claim. Said they tracked got nothing.

Idrk the full context of this post but I like the vibe of it

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think either of Norway or Ranny are scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Andres might be scum
He has several people he suspects who are obvtown imo and I’m not a fan of that

[Gamma Emerald]

ranny and norwee ur both town :///

And yeah this.

I feel like town posts this more than scum

Andres might be scum
He has several people he suspects who are obvtown imo and I’m not a fan of that

Who is obvTown that I’m pushing?

Norway, Ranny, Momrangal, and chkflip, BC too kinda but that’s one I only recently came around on

[Gamma Emerald]

Momrangal, and chkflip

Please show me where I pushed these slots. I’ll wait.

You had them in your alt partial team guess
Either you believe they can be scum or you threw people you think are town in there for no reason. Is your PoE really so narrow you had to do that?