Large Normal 231 | Etymologies | Game Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

I don’t think my stated reasons why I put Vax or Mom where I did were super clear or effective. I think it’s fair for him to not like them.

Do you have a more clear reasoning for both those reads then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was an even night weak neighborizer claim and then a tracker crumb just afterwards.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually like 1441 a lot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find it really annoying that Hayker went AWOL just like Cheeky once becoming a wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is getting boring.
Can we herd all the sheep onto this Hayker wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ranny just seems like the kinda guy that takes no shit from nobody and i'm digging it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 seconds.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey now, let's go for 100 pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ugh i wanan nk NM first more and molre

You didn't want to lim them.
Deal with the consequences.

[NorwegianboyEE]

or at least find townreads to get ppl to trust d2 ?? idk like i feel presire to at least help meake sure ppl are on track to win,
i wanna win the nomination for rising star XD

Go home you're drunk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wrote poetry as scum in a game once, how is it townie to post song lyrics.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've written a lot of NSFW posts aimed at N_M that i scribble out because they don't add anything to the game lately.

Anyway i'm mostly fine with BC's block of trusted individuals™.

[NorwegianboyEE]

alright i wanna say this too: i wanna say that im comfortable townblocking these people right now: luca blight, andres, gamma, binatog(i know, hot take but thats my view. but trust me on it if i die tonight. at least for d2/d3.)

close to doing so: norwegianboy
potential addition down the line: ranny, titus

Not sure Binatog is THAT strong of a townread for me. But everything else seems fine.
Titus i don't trust until i've got a better read on them, but they can stay in the game for now as they don't ping me negatively.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually some posts of Titus did ping town to me. I'm just not ready to see them in a townblock this early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero you've done nothing but call NM trolling scum. Do you even have a comment about the Hayker wagon?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: cheeky

NM is just trolling scum. Its wildcard weekend so I've just been watching the games, also I've just not been in a "mafia mood" consider me v/la for today and I'll be back tomorrow if we haven't eliminated NM by then.

nm is just trolling scum and the claim isn't great either.

This is your progression for the last 1000 posts.
I'm worried about how basic you are in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero might legit be scum.
Since when is town!Nero this disinterested in a game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've never seen Nero be like this in a large.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero has clearly paid attention to the game since they know about N_M's claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero's play as town and scum is visibly and clearly defined.
As scum they barely take part in the game, as town they are very involved.
They've had a lot of time to get caught up and they still hold the same stance after so many pages. In previous large's they change their vote many times.

Check out Large 230. And his towngames.
The difference is night and day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, it also stands to reason that, when a person is gone, they would be more aware of what just happened and not What has happened while gone.

Also this game isn't an easy one to follow

I'm not sure i trust how eager you are to defend him, and much less the way you go about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Momrangal, if i remember correctly you even stated earlier you believe "lurcksack Nero is a worry".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m flabbergasted. There was like literally no reason to state that there.

They could have just meant they were talking on Facebook about non-game related stuff for all you know.
Or do you actually think scum would state "we were talking in private communications" as in an actual game related thread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you know it's a mason claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Chkflip

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gaise hydrae exist

This game doesn't have any hydra, what are you talking about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We were scum together in mini normal 2138 Fungi Mafia.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82913&hilit=+nero+cain

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mind you, it's his lack of care in this game that pings me the most.
I can accept an V/LA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it site meta for people to switch claims all the time for no reason?

No, i assume some players are just trolling or using it as a way to WIFOM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m with Gamma here. Nero’s response was very atypicalbof him, and seems to show an mindset of wanting to tell what he thinks we want to hear rather than sctual solving. And then back to lurk, this is Nero!scum i’m quite sure of it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This talk of "We can only get an Hayker/NM wagon is BS btw.
Has anyone of you ever heard about a flashwagon?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The Nero wagon seems Ok but I feel like I’d much rather elim in PlusJOYED/Hayker today.

Both slots that barely have any presence.
Why are they a better elimination than Nero Cain?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero and Momrangal are also not alligned.
I would be impressed if this was theater.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really agree.
I think the slots are liabilities too, but even though they could be coasting scum, i’m much more sure about Nero being in his scum meta than Plusjoyed that’s unreadable and Hayker that’s just not here and i’m not familiar with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is CFD? Some kind of disease?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see plusJOYED's wagon gaining traction at this point and he seems set to lurk the day out, so might as well make this a straight choice between Nero/Hayker.

VOTE: Hayker

I can live with that i suppose.
Nero not commentating on the Hayker wagon also makes me wonder if there could be some SvS going on there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Go ahead and catch up Nero.
I wanna see where your head is at with this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This "when i flip town" stuff is not impressive, and while i believe you when you say you were busy this weekend, it's also a very good excuse for not adding content. So i want to see if you are capable of improving.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway; first, aid me with the %s that a)Meta and b) the slip are the reasons for your vote.

First of all, i never cared about the supposed 'slip'. I'm voting Nero for meta reasoning, but his posts lately have also been pretty scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

not a lot has changed for me from the early game and ppl that argue that my reads HAVE to change are dumb as fuck. Though Andres, Luca, and Quiet all seem p scummy and maybe im not so gung-ho about Plus being scum. Could also envision that a buncha shittier town (norway, chk, gamma) are voting me while the scum are in you and quiet while other scum like Luca and Mom are willing but hesitant to vote me.

This is a bad post

Never thought i'd agree with N_M on something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What the fuck is this meek Nero.

I think he's genuinely just caught scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He claims to be disinterested in the game and self-votes for towncred, but seems very interested in staying alive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He claims to be disinterested in the game and self-votes for towncred, but seems very interested in staying alive.

An uninterested person is bored, unconcerned, or indifferent; a disinterested person is impartial, unbiased, or has no stake in the outcome. If you're on trial, you want a disinterested judge. Unless you're a lawyer, the word you're generally looking for is "uninterested."

Shit, guess i'm not getting an A for my English exam this year.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All I've seen Andres do this game is shit on the prevailing wagon at the time

Andres wants someone to vote a slot as if merely an afterthought or distraction from sipping wine, or he will be suspicious of the wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian:

Is Nero the type to get salty as Town like this?

In their scum game with me they never got voted for their inactivity so i don't know if they get overly salty as scum.
I don't usually put much stock in this sort of AtE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

when do you expect you will be done with catching up sufficiently enough?

im not going to catchup and waste my time if I'm just gonna get eliminated and tunneled on for the rest of the game.

The only reason you're getting run up in the first place is precisely because you're not catching up or giving much of value in terms of interaction with the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because you had a vote on you, you were unable to catch up to the game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

when do you expect you will be done with catching up sufficiently enough?

im not going to catchup and waste my time if I'm just gonna get eliminated and tunneled on for the rest of the game.

The only reason you're getting run up in the first place is precisely because you're not catching up or giving much of value in terms of interaction with the game.

You’re also completely ignoring the views Nero is actually giving. Like they called me, quiet and Luca Scum. You could ask about that for example.

I think they are really bad reads.
Maybe if he'd elaborate on it i'll comment on them, but otherwise it's just meh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because you had a vote on you, you were unable to catch up to the game?

there was way more than one vote on me though. Why should I waste my time if you guys are just gonna eliminate me.

i wasn't until now. if u think getting tunneled on with bad reasoning doesn't have an affect on someones will 2 play then....

but het, I flip town they eliminate you, nm and bypass. GG

Lol, no-one was tunneling - we were literally waiting for you to catch up and share your thoughts. Both Norwegian and I were open to you being Town still and said as much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I for one actually think it’s incredibly likely that Nero/Luca contains 1 Scum. I did not want Luca in my Town Block because I have some concerns there. This dogged pursuit of Nero means this is probably not TvT.

In that case i'm firmly on the side of Luca here because i think he's suffered enough from losing the 1v1 against me in that newbie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh I’m going to take some crap for this but whatever.

VOTE: Luca

What has Luca done that is scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

norway is also hard defending Luca...

Oh no, i'm defending someone that is explicitly in favour of my scumread on you. This kind of shade is really not giving me good feels about you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Luca is also going to let you take a massive amount of the heat for it if Nero does flip Scum.

Can you stop being so scummy for the love of god.
How do you even know Luca is going to act in this manner if Nero is town or Luca is scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Luca is also going to let you take a massive amount of the heat for it if Nero does flip Scum.

Can you stop being so scummy for the love of god.
How do you even know Luca is going to act in this manner if Nero is town or Luca is scum?

I’m pretty sure you couldn’t read me even if I was an IC.

Are you saying you’re mafia?
Because i’ve been townreading you almost the entire time.
I’m simply stating that if you’re town then you should stop with the scummy arguments.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming Luca will betray me and gaslighting me about it is the kind of manipulatuve shit scum comes up with to defend their partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero is so obvscum here and we should just ignore what Andres says until Nero is dead.
Hopefully he'll change his tune after the flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero is so obvscum here and we should just ignore what Andres says until Nero is dead.
Hopefully he'll change his tune after the flip.

when i flip town who should be eliminated?

I don't think ur flipping town mate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And even if you did, i don't see how Luca is scummy for pushing you or whatever.
Your OMGUS reads are real boring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're town i would have to re-evaluate the entire game, and i'm not really willing to put in all my effort into that when i'm quite certain by your replies and reaction to being wagoned tells me i'm right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero ignoring all those arguments about his play and constantly focusing on his leave being due to real life distractions just reeks of excuses for why he's not been his regular self this game. If he was town he'd at least acknowledge that he's been somewhat different this game and not just because he watches football.

[NorwegianboyEE]

see this is why I didn't want to play b/c shit players like norway and Gamma will continue to tunnel me so im just wasting my fucking time. Although I still am giving reads and content but its like u guys can't progress beyond a basic lvl.

You're also being real mean this game and i think it's sad.
We are giving out legitimate reasons for scumreading you, and unless like 4 or 5 slots on your wagon are scum then it's clearly got some good information backing it up. I'm disappointed that you're resorting to name calling and insults when faced with logical arguments.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

We're finally on the wagon of a slot that will actually be quite informative about the gamestate once flipped and it also seems likely they are scum.
And you want to go back to the shit lurker wagon that could just be town and tells us nothing.

Smh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless you can legitimately justify that change I’m going to read that as you changing your read to argue a more fluid narrative.

i think its more than possible that scum wanted town to pile on me b4 they piled on me. Why do u think this is such a bad concept?

You are actually arguing that scum

planned

for town to pile on you before they joined in?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I honestly didn't see literally anyone vocally scumread you until i brought it up as an issue, so that's another bad faith argument to add on to the list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The quality of written English from some of you is appalling.

At least what they say have had a lot more value so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hayker was a pretty easy wagon where the game was at a standstill and nobody did fuckall. Nero wagon has gained notorious attention and resistance. Which seems the more indicative of scum vs town being wagoned?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know why Titus popped in just now to have a presence but i'm paranaoid that it could be strategic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum or not. Your push on BC for "agreeing" is bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean im not saying its the case to end all cases but scum being an opinionless void and buddying up to players is a thing. I don't care about your opinion b/c you also thought my case on scum Taylor was bad in our last game so WTF do u know?

A single wrong read and you're going to act like i'm clueless.
Since when did you become such an ass?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I keep reading N_M posts as BC posts before realizing it's not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not seeing BC as playing survivalist here. Which they necessarily would have to do if they are playing scum.
I think they are genuinely just trying to force a big townblock through and solve the game early as they know their strong presence usually indicates an early demise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero what is your read on Quiet, BBMolla and Vaxkiller?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did you ever explain why you read Quiet as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I take it that's a tracker claim underneath those layers of salt?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been considering it from all angles, and i really don't think Nero has been playing this out like a town power role would.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you flip tracker then NM (whom is your main scumread) likely dies so i don't see why you'd be fighting so hard for a game you claimed to not even be all that interested in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does anyone have a take on why the game slowed down when Hayker was up? Is it just because it wasn't a very exciting elim?

If Nero is scum then i wager it's because Hayker was a wagon on a lurking town slot so scum didn't bother trying to defend him, hence the dull and unexciting gameplay.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M can't feel human emotions such as frustration.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am chicken. I can’t vote Nero.

Somebody else will do it I’m sure.

Lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

no he's being survivalistic mostly.

this is a last ditch effort to get votes off via extreme AtE.
the intent isnt to die at all. its to get the votes off first and foremost.

Exactly, this feels just like how i played the entire room back in a newbie with Luca.
I claimed VT when i got E-1 but pretended that i thought i got hammered. Then i kept stating people should vote me because my flip will prove (town) is scum. And eventually people actually bought my BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reverse psychology will make you go a long way with some people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

jesus christ, bypass is so bad

this isnt the first time i have had scum self vote for me so <3 i recognize it when i see it

the tactic is to get ppl like gamma to be like "zomg scum would NEVER be this suicidal aha this is impossible to be scum here because it has to just be a frustrated townie!"

this is y i want to flip already so I don't have to play with a shitlord like u

^This isn't how town responds to someone they scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even so, what makes you so sure Hayker would be scum, Gamma?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, if you had a daycop shot to use for an instakill right now.
Would that really be your shot?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The evidence for Nero scum be staggering.
And you’re championing an wagon on Hayker who placed a somewhat lame vote and then siteflake.

Really?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is prob at least Ranny/Titus/Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m saying Hayker is such LHF he might as well be rotten by this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LHF can still be scum
btw Norway, what's your take on my comparisons to MBoS 10 and LN 230?

I don’t really see it. I could feel ABR potentially manipulating the game behind the scenes there.
Here there is no such thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

We’re not doing this. Not nearly enough reason to execute Titus.

Since when did you become town leader? I don’t care if you don’t like the evidence. There is literally no reason for Mathblade to die unless someone familiar with their game that KNOWS they’ll get caught by them repping in argued for their death. Titus probably argued in scum PT of how important it is to kill Mathblade and thus it happened.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

We’re not doing this. Not nearly enough reason to execute Titus.

Since when did you become town leader? I don’t care if you don’t like the evidence. There is literally no reason for Mathblade to die unless someone familiar with their game that KNOWS they’ll get caught by them repping in argued for their death. Titus probably argued in scum PT of how important it is to kill Mathblade and thus it happened.

And who made YOU Town Leader with your crap logic about Nero?

Cheap discredit.

VOTE: Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why have a D1 that long with all that content to vote a player based on the speculation that they were afraid of another player replacing into a slot that had not posted at all? Genius.

Ok big brain.
Why did Mathblade die?
Big mislim potential but they were killed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why have a D1 that long with all that content to vote a player based on the speculation that they were afraid of another player replacing into a slot that had not posted at all? Genius.

Ok big brain.
Why did Mathblade die?
Big mislim potential but they were killed.

Why are you asking me something only Scum know? I have no idea why Mini / Math was the choice, outside of the obvious fact that they were a PR.

This could legit be a teammate to Titus if they are scum.
What is this logic, you don’t know what scum was thinking but they might have killed Mini because they are PR? Where did they PR crumb?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why on earth would a team with Hayker!scum not kill any of the slots that are likely to push them today? I think this is a situation where you need to ask yourself how we ended up here and what scum has been thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

The plot thickens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve seen pure town wagons on town with scum all white knighting.
Assuming a wagon is filled to the brim with scum just because they flipped town is like Dkkoba says, just stupid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not saying it is btw. There surely was scum on the Nero wagon, but these discredits r bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M could be lying too so i’d like to give it some thought and see Norfolks reaction. But we’re definitely eliminating in those slots today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not saying it is btw. There surely was scum on the Nero wagon, but these discredits r bad.

So you think there’s Scum on the wagon, but all I’m doing is discrediting? You know you can’t have it both ways right?

I’m not saying one is unquestionably true. I just find it bad how you seem to shade all voters on the wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bypasser Catcher is still obvtown and i’m never eliminating there. Even if they were on the Nero wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not saying it is btw. There surely was scum on the Nero wagon, but these discredits r bad.

So you think there’s Scum on the wagon, but all I’m doing is discrediting? You know you can’t have it both ways right?

I’m not saying one is unquestionably true. I just find it bad how you seem to shade all voters on the wagon.

I haven’t shaded all the voters on the wagon. Like what are you talking about.

You earlier called my read into question because i was wrong about Nero.
And you have also been FOS’ing Bypasser.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regardless, let bygones be bygones.
We’re resolving in N_M/Norfolk anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M why did you target Norfolk?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will be meta-diving to see if you already know the answer to that one.

What on earth does this mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s your thought on Ranny’s recent post here BC

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will be meta-diving to see if you already know the answer to that one.

What on earth does this mean?

It looks like you’re trying to fake a build-up to accusing Titus, or you’re planting seeds so someone else will do it for you.

I’m thinking Titus/Ranny
This accusation that i’m building up seeds or whatever is really shoddy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Ranny, can you explain for me how am i "fake building up to make someone else do it for me", when i literally voted Titus with my name stamped all over it after accusing them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your attitude of having a solve not involving me, and yet trying to implicate me as scum is not consistent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i’ll sleep on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

I find it hard to believe that this is an earnest question.

viewtopic.php?p=12246533#p12246533

Norwee was posting all through this game with MathBlade and Titus together.

There are players here that didn’t play in that game so i wanted to know if they had prior knowledge about Mathblade.
I don’t understand your pount nor why it’s scummy for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh lel nice guilty

also intent to hammer on Norfolkboy please claim

I know you mean that for Not_Mafia, but I’m going to pretend it’s for me finding proof that Norwee was asking leading questions that he knew the answer to.

I did ask a leading question.

...


Why is this scum indicative again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norfolk Boy. You state N_M is confirmed as scum from your POV. (Well that’s not an surprising take) and then you vote... Luca?
Why?!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait no. You claim it’s an gambit from town!NM?
Pk i need to read more before impulsively responding.
That’s even worse of an reaction.
What is N_M on? Intent to vote them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not claiming is BS. Claim your role now Norfolk Boy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i meant Norfolk lmao.
I guess that was my subconcious talking, i always want to vote them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would town!N_M fake an guilty?
That just seems really outlandish to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just claim

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hate mondays.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since when did it become cool for players to always assume we’ll believe they are town.
Like it’s not even hard just claim your actual role and if your town we’ll believe you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@NB1

Also, if you’re town and think we’ll not eliminate Not_Mafia then you’re completely delusional. If he’s pulling another Guillotina he’ll pay the consequences, we should never reward such shit level play by assuming for even a second it’s done in good faith.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd also be quite willing to consider an N_M elimination today, but as long as Norfolk doesn't claim their role it's out of the question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Was that hammer?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok it was.
I probably would have voted Norfolk Boy myself so here’s to hoping N_M hasn’t been trolling us again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M is scum but don’t hammer him until we’ve had time for discussion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus if you don’t have some good analyzis of the N_M wagon i will literally deathtunnel you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not_Mafia (8): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo, chkflip, DrippingGoofball [E-3]
PlusJOYED (4): Luca Blight, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca Blight, Titus, Andresvmb are all scummy for being on that Plusjoyed wagon and it’s probably a CW to scum N_M.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think Andresvmb pushed N_M once on day 1, it’s been all defending him for the entire duration of that wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And the way he’s been shading me and Bypasser has felt so slimy.
I just really distrust that slot right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody is going to claim N_M is town after this so it’s a waste to talk about him.
Let’s talk who is his scum teammates and then eliminate him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes let’s give N_M another night so he can fake another guilty. What a great idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

quiet I’d also like to say for the record this is an unusual game not all larges go like this haha

2/2 on unusually hard games I guess.

Any idea why this game is so unusual? Mini/math NK snipes PR, double fake sorta claim, VT salty fake claim...

Who orchestrates this?

Some of this can’t really be "orchestrated".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m hating that Andresvmb is looking to call me certain scum just because i suspect him. (Omgus much?) but i still believe he could very much be town here i just really feel pinged by his play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DGB what are your reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this is a question specifically for @Andresvmb.
In what world does scum!me ever shoot Bypasser Catcher here? I can guarantee you that if i’d ever pocketed that slot as scum i would have kept them alive for a long time. Your scumread on me makes extremely little sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm town and I can potentially get another guilty tonight, please let me live just one more day, I have so much more to do

You're arguing your case real well by voting me.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because he was flying under the radar and his posts had no real purpose to them

So you faked a guilty?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We've had two town being subpar up to now so you better be scum N_M or i will strangle you postgame.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian what’s your current Gamma read? I’ve gotten no results from metadiving, it seems like they are capable of playing how they have as either alignment.

If NM scum I think that looks rather good for Gamma, but I’d like your taken given the strong TR he gives you.

As for their townread on me i don't think it's alignment indicative as he'd probably townread me as both allignments in this instance.
But i do believe he is town in this game for various other reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hero solve

NM/norwee/quiet

Why did you scumread me again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think my interactions with Cheeky/N_M have been indicative of scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM/norwee/quiet

Why 3 scum listed? Any reason you believe this game doesn't have more?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dun see why not

Cop out answer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to have my voice drowned out today and hopefully tomorrow and I'm not keen on letting you get the town leader position you are clearly trying to grab to manipulate town into the dirt.

K.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually he is claiming he didn't get a guilty, but just pretended he did for reactions. And then assumed Norfolk was scum after they didn't claim.
Either way, it's pretty much bullshit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is it bullshit, you were the one who was the most gung ho against Norfolk after he refused to claim and lied about "doctor noises"

Don't try to bring this on me, this entire situation was caused by you faking your claim which you shouldn't have done in the first place if you're town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@N_M
If you're saying the truth and lied about your role in this manner just because you thought NB was scum but having no mechanical reason to believe so i will probably try to avoid you in all possible games in the future for such awful trash play.

I know i'm being hypocritical by engaging N_M after saying it's pointless. You know the line, do as they say not as they do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@N_M
If you're saying the truth and lied about your role in this manner just because you thought NB was scum but having no mechanical reason to believe so i will probably try to avoid you in all possible games in the future for such awful trash play.

I know i'm being hypocritical by engaging N_M after saying it's pointless. You know the line, do as they say not as they do.

I did have a mechanical reason to believe so, I had a failed loyal check on him thanks to Yakety Sax

I don't even know what role you're claiming, the only reason i'm voting you is because you lied and we flipped town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if you "got interfered" with, why would keeping you alive for one more night not just entice scum to interfere again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since i'm assuming that's the story you're going with?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But how do you know scum are PR hunting.
Because i still believe Mathblade could have been shot as a fear kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did anything from Mini's ISO make you believe they could be PR?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry do you not try to identify PRs, search for breadcrumbs, etc as scum?

Yeah scum do that, i'm just wondering why you're saying scum likely did, when literally nothing from Mini's ISO looks like a PR crumb to me. So i was hoping to make you accidentally TMI if you were scum why Mini was killed.
But you passed for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which townreads are wrong?

Your read on me is wrong

I didn't notice this scum slip at the time but N_M is basically saying Nor's town read on him is wrong LOL

What do you mean? I didn't townread him at that point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

God it's like i can finally breathe now that smell of Not_Mafia isn't lingering in this thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

please let me die

What is this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know why PlusJoyed made that post asking to die but leaving that just after a scumflip is weird.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think DGB is full of shit to be totally honest.

Why? I thought their catch-up has been decent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet is probably town yeah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwegian

My interactions with N_M looks like a partner to you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll wait for Titus VCA before placing my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also friendly reminder that Cheeky was the pre-existing slot before N_M replaced in. Looking there and how the wagon started in the first place is even more telling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andre could just be tunneling town. I wouldn't think scum!him would come running out of the gate voting me if he had N_M as a partner here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed to be claiming a mechanical result. That’s why I wanted clarification. If it’s entirely reads based, then no I’m not particularly interested in following

How rude.
Binatog can't have good reads in your world?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes Binatog, sad Andresvmb that thinks he's already solved the game might not be interested, but rest of the game would like to hear your reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm going to keep up my belief that Momrangal and Andresvmb are just bad players, but having 2 votes on me when i was one of the main driving forces in eliminating scum yesterday kinda hurts my pride and makes me want to scumread them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like i literally made the Cheeky wagon happen, why would i do that to my teammate if i were scum with them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cheeky too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like can you actually read the game and stop having a hard on for the Nero wagon Andresvmb. Sometimes town votes town, it happens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*yawn*
Nobody will join this push on me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you really, really want me to I can strong man a lynch on you.

Like, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can make such confident statement rofl

Because the only town stooges here are you and Andre. Town is perfectly capable of winning if your two slots are ignored and we flip the actual scum.
You two can then cry post-game when it turns out i was town and you two ignored actual scum the whole time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This isn’t at all explaining where i’d be alligned with N_M.
You are essentially justifying paranoia just brcause i’m controlling and drowned out your voice at some point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m sorry if i’ve hurt your feelings in my desire to win this game, but when i have a hunch of a scumread i will fight for it @Momrangal

[NorwegianboyEE]

Binatog
I couldn’t help but notice you posted something interesting.
Do you have the name of the person?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not in the best mindspace for mafia but like, its basically associatives between norwee and NM/cheeky

The most basic WIFOM from N_M and you’re like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Join the Hayker wagon. All the fedora wearing cool kids are.

Gamma, let's wagon Hawker again. I get a feeling from my VCA that it hits paydirt.

If that’s your strongest lead i’ll ISO them and see what i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What on earth is this absolute garbage tier shit posting.

vote:not_mafia

Absolute rubbish. This is considered allowed play?

Also, you’re like completely absent until now?

I really joined this game a bit prematurely. I just moved the other week and have been stupidly busy ever since. It's finally dying down at this point thankfully. Perhaps I should have issued a V/LA.

unvote

I agree we shouldn't let him self hammer. Though with all the posts that have occurred since I started this I don't think at e-1 anymore anyways.

Moving my vote onto an immensely distracting spot is scummy?

Dislike this post. Could be rolling on an excuse to not condemn his scum partner.
"I agree we shouldn’t let him self hammer" is an artificial thought that looks especially bad with the flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really dislike how fast people are willing the end this day. This smells of gambit territory. I admit yesterday I was annoyed and frustrated by NM's posting. But cheeky was drawing a lot of ire from people before NM, and the more I read Nm the more I hear alarm bells of trolling scum.

Norfolk, if you are town, please just claim and don't be a cocky asshat. I understand mafia is a frustrating game at times, but don't look at Nero's actions yesterday as what to do when being voted.

I ned to sleep because my head is swimming but more thoughts comming

Then again.
This pings me as townie.
Why go out of your way to ask Norfolk to play correctly if he know N_M is pulling a gambit here and wants it to succeed?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Hayker is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus gets some Townie points for pointing out this angle-shooting stuff. It's interesting/strange how she never really follows up on it, though; she always prefers an elim on someone else and never really pushes for an elim on this slot.

Yeah i don't think it's very town indicative, seems to me they are putting suspicion on the slot in a way that doesn't really show a whole lot of reflection or thought behind it.
Could easily just be an distancing act.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are your general reads at Luca? Who do you think'd be the other scum if BBMolla flips red?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been thinking about my reads and i think i've got too many town, or it's too good to be true.
I only really have suspicions on Titus and Plusjoyed for just giving up and not choosing to contribute at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vaxkiller and Momrangal are the slots i'm back and forth on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fairly sure Binatog is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

I could be on board with this.

EE'S push here on me is in bad faith.

1) It forces a reason for the Mathblade kill and that I am the only one to make it. Mathblade slot could have been killed for several reasons. PR detection, slot was obvtown, they didn't want consensus to change, etc.

2) They don't really engage with my VCA in a fair manner. They don't look at my suspect pool as a whole but suggest my top suspect is likely town. That's odd though because they dislike some of his posting too though. It reads like a distancing ploy more than a good faith read on the Hawker slot.

I know it's a bit OMGUS and not perfectly VCA driven but EE would be my scumread by play. EE seems to go out of their way to defend slots that are scummy and never intended to give my VCA a fair read.

"Never intended to give my VCA a fair read" is quite the presumption to make.
I wanted to hear your VCA and gave it a fair read, even with my prior suspicion of your slot.
And i don’t think your reads of scum are correct and likely just to lead us astray. You choose easy low hanging fruit slots that would be easy to scumread based on lack of activity, but i do not think they have been scummy based on play.
Certainly not scummier than i find you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also @anyone, stealing a question from Gamma.

Are today’s posts within Luca’s scumrange? Do scum frame people using prev quotes like this with much frequency, or is this as towny as it’s starting to seem to me?

Luca is pretty good as scum, but i do believe his level of effort is pretty townie here. As scum he can be consistent and political, but hus level of effort isn’t up to par. So yes i’m quite ready to lock Luca as town by this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet what is your point in that post.
I think you need to type a conclusion in your posts or it just looks like pointless rambling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

For the record, i’m not against the BBMolla wagon as i do not strongly townread them and voters there look pure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Hayker has some input on events so far that would be great.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does Molla get this emotional as both allignments or what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

Mathblade kill would be Titus purposefully and for no reason framing herself

Is that what you’re saying in A?

I’m not saying it’s wrong cause Titus could pull that I just want to be clear that the most blatant reason for Maths death was to frame Titus and Titus scum would be aware of that

Ok so my thoughts are this:
Scum!Titus (obviously) knows killing Mathblade would implicate her and thusly it would seem pointless to assume this makes Titus scum because mafia typically don't make dumb plays. But Mathblade replacing into a town slot (which we know because doh they died) could in theory be even more catastrophic for scum!Titus because Mathblade has a lot of knowledge about Titus and how they play, so if Titus knows Mathblade might potentially expose her as scum then it is worth the effort of killing the slot and then dealing with the potential aftermath rather than needing to fight Mathblade head on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Hayker
Do you have reads? What do you make of Titus and BBMollas vote on you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So we're getting a lot of salty AtE today

Because it worked so well for every other slot so far!

(Ok sorry, i had to)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been waiting for Binatog to answer that in the longest time.
I asked if he had the name of the person who visited me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not like that. It's like [Player] was visited by this role. Get it?

More specifically i'm referring to this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least that's what i think he's claiming.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least that's what i think he's claiming.

So you were rolecop'ed? What night?

How would i know? I don't even know if that's what he's really claiming.