Open 93 - Near Vanilla: Game Over, Mafia Win!

[afatchic]

okay i just finished my reread.

first off i don't like how retro jumped on the bandwagon earlier, seems as if he forced a reason to join, seems scummy to me. and i would move my vote back on him, except the fact that there are other things now that i find scummier and since retro isn't here and hasn't posted much since im going to let him talk a bit more before he gets my vote.

second i don't at all agree with role claiming right now. do not role claim unless you are at L-1. all a role claim can do is hurt the town, unless your claim is countered, which would still hurt the town. a role claim should always be used as a last resort when no one will listen to your defense and it will cripple the town with your death. now when he is just put at L-2 and no one besides zazier is hardly questioning him, why would you push so hard for a role claim? how does that help the town?

i still don't like his defense though, he seems to be looking for pity from the town alot, which i don't like. accuse with facts, defend with facts.

question for everyone voting thegeckoj- can you please give a case in your own words why you are voting for him. i haven't seen much from many of the people.

armix- why do you feel the need to push so hard for a role claim, when he is only at L-2?

i really think we should slow down a little bit and drag this out. D1 should be about gathering information to play the rest of the game on, rather than the outcome of the first lynch. if we end D1 prematurely it could really hurt the town later on in the game.

UNVOTE Vote Armix

[afatchic]

you never answered my question. yeah i realize how close L-2 is, its two votes from lynch. it means two people would have to get on here and be like yeah i agree and just vote, without asking any questions or anything, which for a townie would be dang stupid to do. so no i don't think an L-2 claim is very good. care to answer the question now...

[afatchic]

i don't like how he is pushing it so much.

[afatchic]

i have never played a game where anyone pushed a role claim at L-2, nor does it make sense to claim that early, or for you to push that hard when he didn't.

you still didn't answer the first question. why are you voting for him?

[afatchic]

you can doubt what you want, but i doubt your motives behind the role claim pushing. so you are willing to try and lynch someone all because they are opportunistic, doesn't sound like a good case to me. and i did read the thread, and didn't see much of a good case, which is why i asked, so you don't have to be a smart alack.

[afatchic]

that thread did not at all help your case. everyone in there said only claim when you have something that will hurt the town to lynch, and when it is inevitable to stop a lynch any other way. now do you really think at L-2 when very few people are questioning him, its inevitable to avoid a lynch, and thus needs to claim immediately?

[afatchic]

so you are willing to try and lynch someone all because they are opportunistic, doesn't sound like a good case to me.

Umm, since when is opportunism not scummy?

ummm... since when is opportunism alone scummy enough to prematurely end D1?

[afatchic]

9 pages is not near enough information in my opinion. think about this... if the next two posts voted thegeckoj and lynched him, no matter what the alignment, what information would the town have to base stuff on for the rest of the game? from my experience the town does better when they get plenty of information from D1.

right now retro hasn't been active in a while, and he seems to have been one of the most sospicious players when he went V/LA, apothocary has 4 posts, chaosomega has 3 posts, K7 has 9( but by doing a PBPA you would realize very few have content), Mafiassk has 9( once again he has contributed nothing), Sineish has 7 and hasn't posted in 4 days, spamwise has 5 votes, and thegeckoj has 9 but most are useful. now if you take off one to two from each to accommodate the random votes the do you really think you have enough info on everyone to proceed to D2? the only think that will happen is a lot of claims of lurking on D1.

so no i don't think we are ready to end D1

[afatchic]

so you are fine with the fact that half the players have been nearly inactive this far in the game?

[afatchic]

so you don't think we should let the other players who haven't posted much get a chance to have input? im also suspicious of gecko but i see no way that it will be pro-town to end the day now. at the very least, if he is scum, maybe we can catch one of his buddies along with him on D1.

Darox why are you voting gecko?

[afatchic]

i am by no means trying to stall a wagon, because i don't like how he has acted under pressure. however, i don't like how you are trying to push on it so much. yes im scum and im really just that dumb that i would come in and argue with you in my first post to try to save him instead of through him under the bus and escape suspicion.

im trying to do what i feel is best for the town by getting more thoughts and information from other players.

and how am i derailing the wagon? all i am doing is questioning you on it, if that derails it then apparently you didn't have a strong case to begin with.

[afatchic]

yeah you must be right, because after all chaosomega's post was real helpful. this is what he had to say about gecko...
"First, thegeckoj, you probably should claim at this point. You're at L-2 right now. If you don't feel you're in imminent danger of being lynched, then you can hold off, but it's something to be wary of, especially if you get another vote on you."

[afatchic]

and i am curious as to what K7 has added, can you please quote it for me

[afatchic]

also mafiassk has provided a whole lot of info as well. he said he agrees with zaz then votes, then attacks gecko for voting on gut feeling 8 pages in because by now he should have evidence, yet when asked to provide evidence on his vote he says he hasn't looked closely.

[afatchic]

Again, like I said, what do you think 10 more pages is going to do to the gecko wagon other then disintegrate it for little reason.

You are derailing it by trying to stall the game. Stalling the game causes things to fall apart.

you are voting him right now for opportunism, yet i would call half the votes on the wagon right now the same thing. all i am saying is that you should take closer look at the people on the wagon with you instead of playing with tunnel vision as it seems you are doing.

[afatchic]

i have two more of the people that i posted that i could do the same thing with, but i am anxious to know why they are voting before i post it. but what i am getting at is that they haven't contributed much to the wagon.

and darox like i just posted no i am not trying to start another wagon or end this one, im just saying that more than just gecko are acting suspicious and it seems like people are playing with tunnel vision and not questioning the other people doing suspicious stuff. all i am saying is take a closer look at the other people voting and why they are voting. gecko wasn't the only one with an opportunistic vote, which is why i don't feel it is good enough at this point to merit a lynch. however if you give him time and let him screw up again then i might can be convinced he is the best lynch for today.

[afatchic]

So I had heard that an entire page was filled up discussing whether it is too early for a claim/lynch or not.

Keep up the *quote*discussion*unquote* and it will become a moot point.

huh?

[afatchic]

You asked how you are trying to derail his wagon earlier? See your last 2 posts.

im not stopping his wagon by any means. as far as i can tell he is still at L-2. if your case is good enough then it shouldn't matter if i talk about something other than gecko for a little while. and in my last two posts i am saying pay attention to other people, it feels as if you are not paying attention to them. just in case you didn't know, you probably caught one scum, but there are still two more.

[afatchic]

Darox why are you voting gecko?

[afatchic]

i did look at your posts, but what wasn't so common sense from looking at them was why you would want to bandwagon your #2 instead of #1, so can you explain

[afatchic]

i do agree that i don't like his play once the pressure was on him, but i don't think we should rush a lynch on him.

[afatchic]

doktor what are you thoughts on all of this?

[afatchic]

however if you give him time and let him screw up again

I missed this.

You know what really helps with this him screwing up again thing? A claim.

yes i agree, but never too early. think about it this way: pretend he has power role, and he is at L-2 and a few people on there aren't real comfortable with there votes and they decide to unvote, and yet you have already gotten a claim from him. so even though he wasn't in danger of getting lynched, he still gave his role away and will get NK'ed for it

and what i meant by that statement is that if he is scum, he is honestly going to make another mistake or two. its not like if we just keep gong with D1 that he is going to look completely pro-town and that we missed out chance to lynch him, unless he is pro-town.

[afatchic]

maybe you should look back through the last few pages, and while your at it answer my question

[afatchic]

why you voting for him?

Longer days are better for the town!!

[afatchic]

geckoj- role claiming is a big help, for both sides. i.e. if you have a power role and are about to be lynched, then its in the towns best interest for you to claim so that we can try to find another candidate to lynch and not shoot ourselves in the foot by lynching a power role D1. and yes there is a chance you may be NK'ed tonight if you claim, unless a doc saves you, if you don't claim then you get lynched in the day, either way you die so its best to claim in the day and help out the town.

with all that said i still don't believe a L-2 claim is at all right. however i strongly urge an L-1 claim. and since i haven't liked any of the defense that you have provided or how you have acted once under pressure, im going to give you the chance to role claim now.
UNVOTE Vote Thegeckoj

Now claim.

[afatchic]

EBWOP:

UNVOTE Vote Thegeckoj

[afatchic]

Lol, the 180 is beyond hilarious.

i never defended him, just attacked you for how you was acting about it. i said in my first post along with other up to now that i don't like how he has been acting since he was pressured, and i really didn't like the last post so yeah. and he is at L-1 no accidental lynched, actually no lynches before a claim.

[afatchic]

Uhh... wanting to stall his lynch and saying look at other people is the same as defending him.....

nope just trying to correct yall, don't need to play with tunnel vision. and yeah i said look at other people because there are still two other scum.

[afatchic]

nope just trying to correct yall, don't need to play with tunnel vision. and yeah i said look at other people because there are still two other scum.

Except both of those are things that do the same thing as protecting him does.....

fine i was protecting him by trying to find other scum... is that better for ya

[afatchic]

Unvote.

its wifom but i believe that scum right there would have tried to fish for a counterclaim.

[afatchic]

That was totally unexpected from you, Mr. Not Defending Gecko....

lol i know, your jaw probably hit the floor when you read it.(joke)
but seriously, in that position i would have expected a newb to try and fish for a counterclaim. so i think i will give him another chance to screw up

[afatchic]

its wifom, but im still going on my gut feeling. if he is scum, then either someone else will agree or he will screw up again and i will jump right back on the bandwagon, but right now im not sure enough to be comfortable with a lynch

[afatchic]

and tell me as well

[afatchic]

what response to that post could you possibly have that i would accuse you of having tunnel vision for?

[afatchic]

when did i say i would hammer once it got to L-1?

and how does it sound like i am trying to get the lynch by someone else jumping on when in the very next sentence i say that i am not comfortable with his lynch at the moment.

and no i am not giving him a free pass, its still in my mind, just don't think its enough yet to lynch him. if he is scum there are sure to be more scum tells.

[afatchic]

does that mean i should lynch him right now?

[afatchic]

Is that what you conclude from my last post? I only said that he has the most scum tells right now. But this is my opinion. If there are more players with the same opinion as Doktor P then they should speak right now.

Besides, you're the one who says that there are others scummy as well. If someone should know about other players with scum tells it should be you. That's my real reason for asking you. Also, armlx once posted this:

Also, if you going to say "Other people here might be scummier, so don't lynch him", put out a case on one of said other people.

You gave a comment about it, that we should also catch the other two scum. Only your discussion about don't lynch yet is distracting to me. We've filled almost three pages with it and it's not helpful at all. If you want us to focus on some others as well, start a case and I'll look into it.

Also that last question is weird. I don't like your threat of hammering or that someone else will hammer. Therefor I'll

unvote

although I still see Geckoj as scummiest and I'll

vote afatchic

yes thats what i concluded from your last post, you are going to attack me for unvoting and ask who else has more scum tells, yeah im going to think that you want me to vote him because he has the most scum tells, which aren't many. so why don't you explain what you mean.

and im sorry you want to be lazy and not do any scum hunting on your own, sorry next time i will have all the facts laid out for you so that you don't have to do anything at all. heck next time ill just answer the questions that im going to ask you for ya and maybe even help you put your vote down as well. wouldn't want you to have to do too much.

and that is not what i meant with my post, you are twisting the words around so you can attack me better, which is a weak argument at best. i never said if someone else agrees then i will to and jump back on. i said that if its a good enough case that other people will agree and lynch him. maybe what i should have said is im unvoting, but don't have a fit, because if your case is as strong as you like to think it is then two more people will agree and jump on, but for now im staying off unless something else jumps out at me. i do not intend to jump back on or hammer when someone else votes at the moment. if i do it, im sure i will provide more than enough information for it.

[afatchic]

yep both are at you, and i guess the last one can go to armix as well since both of you did it.

[afatchic]

i pointed cases as well, try and look back.

[afatchic]

ok fine i will gladly make a few cases against people. ill start off with apothecary.
he has a total of 5 posts, one being confirm, second being random vote. i don't like how in his first real post he just shows up and asks so are yall serious on the mafiassk wagon. "is it really just bait". seems like he is testing the waters, if they say no we are serious he says yeah i agree vote mafia. if they say yeah it was bait he does exactly what he did and says that he thought it was weak and then attacks someone on it. then has one more post saying sorry. so far i don't like anything i have seen from him. he gets an

FOS Apothecary

until i finish doing these.

[afatchic]

next we have chaosomega who has a total of three posts, one being a random vote the other being a post saying don't replace me. then when he finally does make an attempt at a decent post he addresses the gecko issue by saying "he should claim now that he is at L-2, well actually if you don't want to claim you don't have to, but if you get one more then you should" dang take a stance one way or the other man. and never actually addresses what he thinks about the facts brought up against gecko. then he says his random vote is good for now. can you please elaborate on why you like your vote with mafiassk?

[afatchic]

i don't really have to much on doktor right now, after just doing a quick read through
just a couple things to point out. i don't like his 17th post where he gives a reason that he may potentially vote gecko, and i believe this was once the wagon has already started. first i don't like it because if he is mafia it gives him a reason to jump aboard, maybe even hammer, and if questioned he can say well i warned him and told him i would do it if he didn't start playing more. second i don't like it because thats what gecko had already been doing, you say this expecting him to keep doing it, setting yourself up to jump aboard. third, never lynch D1 due to inactivity.

also i don't like his idea about claiming. yes if he claims PR then most likely he dies tonight unless doc could save him, but if he doesn't claim then we lose PR due to lynch and then scum get free townie NK, to where as if he claims and we don't lynch him then we get a better chance at lynching scum and he gets NK'ed, but it will always help the town out if done right. and we already know the setup so if he lies about a PR he will get caught, no doubt about it.

[afatchic]

gamma i actually agree alot with, except i don't understand why he voted doktor, however he has extremely few posts so i am looking forward to his replacements thoughts.

[afatchic]

K7 has been lurking alot, most all of his posts are one liners and have very little content. i don't like his post about the claim saying that since he is going to be lynched he should claim so that we can focus on lynching scum. why would you think he is going to be lynched? you aren't even voting for him yet you think he is a good enough candidate for a lynch? also his posts sounds like "let him claim so we can move on and try and find actual scum" like he knows he isn't scum. and how would he know he isn't scum?

[afatchic]

mafiassk, he says that he does most of his scum hunting by PBPA's, yet we are at page ten and haven't seen one yet. when are they coming, because i would like to hear more thought other than just armix zazier and darox. and as i stated before i don't like how he joins the bandwagon with zazier, then attacks gecko for not having evidence yet, then when asked what evidence he has for people being scum he says he hasn't looked yet. either he is very lazy or he just wanted a reason to jump on the wagon and thought zazier had a decent reason.

[afatchic]

no my points are not all on lurker, i state that all of them have lurked, but don't focus on that. i don't vote for lurking, although i find it a bit anti-town/scummy. i have posted other reasons as well so try to focus on those. and i don't care if they are known lurkers, they need to contribute more. it does nothing to help the town if they intend to lurk. gotta go to class, more later.

[afatchic]

yes i know which is why i am against a gecko lynch. i have found what he has done scummy, but until i can get better reads on other people i don;t think it will be enough to lynch him.

[afatchic]

gecko.... get to it

[afatchic]

wow thanks for all the input K7, so glad you could help out

[afatchic]

Apothecary, K7, retro, are those all still random votes?

to the best i can tell i believe so, however retro had posted V/la but he should be back now.

Dokter why are you voting Mafiassk?

[afatchic]

yes @ armlx

why don't you actually join in and help out in the game. so far you have done almost nothing. im sure the town wouldn't complain with a little help

[afatchic]

Woah. I haven't posted in a while. Sorry I've been off. What's the vote count?

im surprised fat chic left you alone.

yeah i gave up, ill just accept the fact that this game is going to be played with half the players.

[afatchic]

yeah i gave up, ill just accept the fact that this game is going to be played with half the players.

Get replaced or play.

This applies to everyone thinking this.

im one of the most active players in here.

[afatchic]

I do my PBPA when there's a big wagon and someone is about to be lynched.

gecko.... get to it

[afatchic]

im one of the most active players in here.

That's useful.

Was I talking to you about giving up?

you quoted my post when you said it, so yeah i thought you was talking to me.

[afatchic]

armix which do you feel more strongly about and why?

[afatchic]

armix which do you feel more strongly about and why?

Gecko is the better first lynch, as if he isn't scum your defense of him is less indicative of you being scum, and that's the main issue with your play.

I feel as if my comments have been getting taken the wrong way, so i am going to try and clarify this one last time. i feel that gecko's defense has been scummy since he started getting pressure, however with the lack of participation from quite a few players, i don't think it is a good idea to focus only on him, or try to lynch him at thsi point.

[afatchic]

The issue with that is you keep trying to defend someone you say you think is scummy from being lynched. See the contradiction?

right now he does seem scummiest, but i don't think we are ready for the lynch since half the people aren't playing. if we had full participation and were where we are now i would probably support it, but as it stands i think we need some replacements or something first

[afatchic]

yeah i guess i can see what you are saying, however i meant it like the second one. i just didn't like how hard his wagon was being pushed considering everything, just felt like scum pushing it.
zaz- i see him as scummier than most of the rest, however i am not going to say he is scum, since i barely have reads on many other people.

[afatchic]

I'm interested, how was the wagon being pushed

super

hard?

i fixed your quote, stop twisting it around to make it easier to attack, same goes for you zazier.

i would consider it hard when i get attacked for going against the wagon, so yeah i think it is being pushed hard.

right now im going to

VOTE: zazier

for meta reasoning. i have played a few other games with her, where she has been town i believe, and her play style has been more pro-town those games than she is here, which leads me to believe she may have a scum role here.

[afatchic]

zazier- why exactly are you voting me?

[afatchic]

I do my PBPA when there's a big wagon and someone is about to be lynched.

gecko.... get to it

Personally thinking gecko is scum and no need to do a pbpa.

can you give some reasons and examples why or anything?

[afatchic]

fine as you wish i will do a little reading, which i already did before i asked the question.
in post 283 you say this...

I can agree with A), but where did you see the part of the L-1?

yet only two of your posts later you do this...

Also that last question is weird. I don't like your threat of hammering or that someone else will hammer. Therefor I'll

unvote

although I still see Geckoj as scummiest and I'll

vote afatchic

in the first post you say that you don't get the part about me hammering at L-1, yet before anyone else tries to explain, you all of the sudden are like yeah i get it now, vote fatty. and can you explain where i said i would hammer at, since this seems to be your main reason of voting me according to this posts.
now can you explain the sudden change, because to me it seems like you took an easy opportunity to vote me.

and i know him claiming a power role would have probably been a lie, however in an open game we know there are power roles, so it would have been countered.

[afatchic]

K7 yeah what about it.

[afatchic]

No i used the posts i wanted to. in the first post you tell armix you don't agree with the bolded part, then in your very next post, you vote me for it.

can you please show me where i said i would believe a PR claim?

[afatchic]

can you show me who explained it and where, prior to the vote.

[afatchic]

why don't you learn to read the posts more clearly. it says i.e. (means for example) IF you have a power role then claim. it does not say since you have a PR go ahead and claim. you should try and practice what you preach there zazier. and i still want you to explain where i said i would hammer because you are completely off on that one.

[afatchic]

Then tell me if there is a player who has more scum tells at this moment than Geckoj, afatchic.

when i said should i lynch him now, i was being a smart alleck in regards to this post. you sould like you are saying since he is the only one that has done anything wrong we should go ahead and lynch him. this was not a serious post, you should be able to figure out that it does not at all go along with what i have been saying all game.

and i said i would believe the PR claim because in an open setup we know there has to be a Doc Or JK so if he claims either and no counter-claim then he is probably telling the truth, if we get a counter-claim then we caught scum D1.

the majority of your case against me so far is you taking stuff the wrong way or twisting my words around.

[afatchic]

did you not read the post? i was explaining the "hammer" post that you are trying to build a case against. and yes i know that we have both a doc and JK, which is why i said i would believe a claim without a counter. and i just said scum because its just quicker and easier than saying "someone who could possibly be scum", but if you are going to straight up ask me, is he scum, then you are not going to get the same answer.

[afatchic]

Don't put meaning to my words. I said he was dead the moment the wagon started, because he has done nothing to make anyone second guess it being a good idea. He seems to be, unable to.

And he isn't even trying to do anything, just trying to save his potential scum buddy Fatty. Then going "I am very suspicious of the third guy" His actions are self prevalence over town.

Atleast Fatty seems to have a semblance of intellect, although it would have gained from keeping with it's convictions instead of folding under pressure.

can you explain to me where he defended his "scum buddy fatty"? i don't think he ever defended me, actually he is voting me. and how did i fold under pressure? the reason i am under so much pressure is because i have stood up for what i believe.

[afatchic]

i just realized i voted without unvoting, so...

unvote. vote: afatchic

so now afatchic has 4 votes and i have 5, i think anyway.

at least the game is getting a bit interesting. i am still very suspicious of MafiaSSK as he still isnt adding anything to the game, except for a short post letting everybody know he is keeping his vote on me.

Self- preservation, very nice[/sarcasm]
if you are still suspicious of mafiassk then why are you voting me?
you are def. going back up on my LOS.

[afatchic]

you are def. going back up on my LOS.

To where? From "actively defending" to "voting to pull a claim, then unvoting without reason to derail wagon"?

no i was suspicious of his, and then his defense kept getting worse and worse, so i voted. this is crazy an all but i actually believed the claim, so i unvoted.

[afatchic]

If I wasn't voting gecko right now I would be pushing for your lynch so very, very much.

why...

[afatchic]

You really need the answer to that question? Have you not read the last 5-10 pages?

so because i am defending someone who i think is a townie i should be lynched? if he gets lynched and comes up town are you still going to lynch me D2?

[afatchic]

is everyone deathly bored?

[afatchic]

I blame you for that.

im sincerely sorry, im only one vote, im not keeping 2 other people from voting. they can make up there own minds

[afatchic]

I blame you for that.

im sincerely sorry, im only one vote, im not keeping 2 other people from voting. they can make up there own minds

....

You actually kinda swayed the votes of 4 people at the moment.

i no im just good like that

[afatchic]

Unvote: afatchic

FOS: afatchic

Hey Scum, when you get to kill people tonight, please kill MafiaSSK, OK? I think it would be mutually beneficial.

I don't like this - I will explain why tomorrow if needed.

Vote: thegeckoj

no one hammer yet! sineish can you please explain why you quoted Doktor's post then voted gecko. no one hammer until he has a chance to explain as i think it was a mistake

[afatchic]

I can't say I didn't expect that....

im so proud of you, you learn real quickly.[sarcasm]
but does it not look like a mistake to you?

[afatchic]

it seems to be kinda assumed that when he quotes it and says i don't like this and then follows with a vote, that it would be of the person who posted the original post. and it says if needed which means it should be kinda simple to figure out. so tell me armix why did he do it?

[afatchic]

is he asking to be hammered?

[afatchic]

thats what i thought, if he wanted to be hammered why didn't he self hammer

[afatchic]

wow K7 showed up again!!
anyways.. im hoping to catch up and get all my thoughts on sometime tonight

[afatchic]

wtf I have posted everyday.

I'm sorry, just your posts that have about 5 words in them often go under my radar.

[afatchic]

that is the hammer isn't it?

[afatchic]

he wasn't voting...not even on the vote count. I will hold back the mishammer until you get some input out in.

as for my question then vote, I dont believe a question dies from day to day.

in the meantime

unvote

afat and darix are now in the running for me after gecko.

so why do you find me suspicious? because i defended someone i believe to be a townie? isn't that what a townie should do, defend other townies? you should know from the other mini we were in before i got brutally night killed by protecting the wrong person that i seldom go with the crowd, unless it is a good case. and if i feel strongly enough about it, i will defend them.

[afatchic]

afatchic is tripping up. He never said he thought gecko was town earlier, you know, when he was actually defending him.

yep you caught me, im scum. dang why would i make such a careless mistake. darn.
but seriously, i guess ill give you that, i never felt he was scum, but he did have a few scummy posts, which made me uncertain about him. however i just felt there were more scum on the wagon itself, and later on me. some of his defenses made me wonder, but all in all i never thought he was scum, which is why i defended the wagon so much.

[afatchic]

Kuribo your right im beggin to be lynched. i was just trying to defend my scum buddy on a wagon that is quite obviously gonna end in his lynch just so i would get caught too. dang you are smart. i would actually like to be lynched right now just so i can laugh at everyone of you when you find out im a vanilla townie when you are just so sure im scum right now. so go ahead... lynch me first.

[afatchic]

im not trying to "appeal to emotion", i honestly would like to get lynched at this point. i play this game to have fun and to have fun only. when i get attacked for everything i say, no matter what i say, its no longer fun. i defended someone who i didn't think deserved to be lynched yet and i have gotten attacked for it. so yeah right now it doesn't bother me a bit if everyone would like to lynch me before gecko

[afatchic]

the part of claiming him as my scum buddy was sarcasm, sorry. i didn't notice the new rule.

[afatchic]

this game has seemingly grinded to a halt. what is everybody looking for? i'm pretty sure the scum are just holding out hoping i finally get lynched, saying nothing.

Maybe your scum buddies don't wanna hammer you.

If he is scum, I think they would have been mad not to, unless they were already on his wagon. Time for a

Vote: afatchic

then.

so what you are saying is that the scum are most likely on the gecko wagon already, then you vote me?

sorry for the lurking, im going to try to catch up tomorrow or wed.

[afatchic]

thnk that was the hammer as far as i can tell, so im not sure if am allowed to post this. but anyways ima give my last will and testament. prior to the death scene. if its not allowed the mod will delete it. first no i don't normally have outburst like that, i did it in one other game. i just get frustrated when im a townie and get the entire town jumping on me for doing what i think is right.
the people i would look into D2- Doktor-Per, Darox, Zazier, Armix.
Doktor-Per hasn't contributed much valuable information to the game, through twenty four pages, yet has added countless number of joke posts i guess you would call them. which tells me that he is keeping up with the game enough to joke around with people after their posts, yet still hasn't contributed much information of his own. he also placed the hammer vote, with no info other than to end the day. which i guess is legit right now. but still tomorrow i would put alot of pressure on him tomorrow and see how he reacts, i could def. see him being newb scum.

Zazier's play has been completely different from her past games i have been in with her. i would probably wait to see what she is in those when they end and base my thought on that as well.

Darox as usual has played extremely tunnel visioned i guess. not really sure what to call it. but once he makes up his mind nothing can convince him otherwise. not sure if it is just not wanting to switch votes much to not get much suspicion or what, either way i would keep him in mind during D2.

Armix- I still didn't like the way he pushed the wagon on gecko. not really sure at this point though.

lastly i would just check everyone that seemed to have opportunistic votes on a townie and see how everyone pushed a townie and pushed a townie lynch.

sorry for my lack of input lately, RL got pretty tough the last week or so. anyways... Goodluck town! get us a win.

[afatchic]

lol why would i lie there? there is not point in trying to save myself, from my count im already lynched.

[afatchic]

well im sure mod will confirm it shortly.

[afatchic]

Town sucked hard this game. Since D1. Afatchic and gecko lynches were really lazy.

I agree, i played terrible. id like to apologize to everyone for prolly ruining the game. It was just that i was positive a townie was getting hung, and i didn't like it. but the more i tried to explain that, the more everyone became suspicious of me for it. then i just got aggravated and pretty much gave up on really helping much. I know the scum had to be sitting back and enjoying it though because it was 2 vanilla townies Vs. a Doc and Vanilla townie, which never results good for town. I must say that i am a bit shocked that Dokter Per was a VT though, i def thought he was scum as i followed the game. Goodgame everyone.