Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

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VOTE: t3
I still don't know what I did wrong...

This is scum
Scum selfvote, town selfhammer

Hi I'm DrippingGoofball

'member me?

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VOTE: t3

Intent to self hammer I guess.

do it you won’t

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Std was my n0 check

Stop your scum whine

Cool, but that only exempts 1 person
Do you want to back off now or am I gonna have to list all the names you left out?

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Town self-votes, scum self-hammers.

Eh I thought it was the other way around

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Subject: Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Night 1]

Also I'm not shading you 2. I legit think you are sus for town reading him. I have experience of std misreading scum so I'm not all that concerned especially when he's been sitting on scum all day. He's stubborn.

First off you’re full of shit because I know you’ve seen me defend scum before via sheer length of experience but somehow StD gets an allowance for that while I don’t. Second,

suck a fat wad of shit

because my TR ended up correct!

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VOTE: Dwlee99

I have an extremely accurate meta scum read on t3 right now, y'all should sheep me.

What was this “extremely accurate” tell?

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ah

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Pretty ez to have correct reads when u know everyone's alignment

Actually suck shit you bottom feeding bridge troll. No matter your alignment your play here is utterly despicable.

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Actually that’s one of the core reasons you SHOULD be eliminated
Your play feels like you’re trying very hard to pocket Nero

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Actually that’s one of the core reasons you SHOULD be eliminated
Your play feels like you’re trying very hard to pocket Nero

This is @ Dwlee

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I very much disagree that my play has been "despicable"

You are shitpushing me with no regard for actual fucking logic or fairness. In your last posts D1 you were painting me as T3’s possible buddy, and now you’re trying to flip the script and say I knew T3 was town all along. It’s not an okay way to play, and I’m straight up sick of your shit because it seems like you always have something against me.

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Have you ever seen scum with an official Nero Fan Club #1 Fan pin? I didn't think so

I’ve never seen ANYONE with a Nero Fan Club #1 Pin

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Ok gamma, dw is scum. Who are the rest?

MegA for sure, StD probably, and idk who the fourth is

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Why Norwee?

why this question?

For a real answer: you were in 233, albeit not at the same time as Nero, but playing off Nero has proven to be good when he is town and I think he is town here.

Not when Nero is pushing shitty wrong reads I’d say

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My play is "despicable" bc u can't be scum with t3 but I'm not allowed to think that you could just be scum that got off t3 for shitty reasons

Your play is despicable because YOU’RE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE POSSIBILITY THAT I’M TOWN!!!!!!

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Norway was prob shot bc him and dw are my biggest defenders

VOTE: a50

Noone is scumreading you?

You do know that I was being pushed hard d1 right? Yourself included

No one was really pushing you EoD1 I think

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I disagree with the A50 scumreads, and I’d say I’m probably better at reading him than most players on this site

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Well for me that just more indication A50 has a town thought process

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No
I’m just tired of it feeling like you go after me every single game, with the one exception being LN 230 where I literally did everything in my power to AVOID that.

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Like even when we were scum TOGETHER we beefed
Can we not just be chill?

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I feel like dwlee is a) more likely scum, b) a bigger threat if scum, and c) more doable

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If you can get literally anyone else to join I’ll do so too but legitimately no one seems to be on board with that besides us two
PEdit
VOTE: StD

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No, u tried to get me killed via bullshit meta then backed down when my wagon was dying. Had a scum list of nothing but lurkers and then town read a dying t3 for a silly reason. Flip town or get innos. Until then I won't stop thinking you could be scum

That’s not what I’m saying
You can think I’m scum, but there’s no room in your head for the chance that I’m town here, which is rather fucked IMO

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Nka is stupid it could be random

My reads are gamma is scum

You’re not even trying with this

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Yeah probably
If dwlee is scum Nero is definitely town FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

Never fear! The cavalry has returned.

Having to reevaluate the game RN but figured I should let people know I'm here since it look
Sorry I was busy IRL during the latter half of the last day phase.

Will say I'm not a fan of the Gamma wagon RN though.

Why do you need to re-evaluate?

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VOTE: MegA
Yeah that question was basically filler, I was already pretty sure MegA didn’t have defined stances on either of the flipped slots and a quick ISO confirmed that

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Oh yeah that reminds me that another point against dwlee is that fact was a middle-of-the-pack vote on both me and T3, which is generally the scum hop-on zone

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I think everyone except Dwlee/kitty are green on final VC.

I kinda think KittyTacky resembles her town game more than her scum game but I’ve only played with her twice so there’s a non-zero chance I’m assuming too much about what her scumrange is

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also my opinion of the NK is that scum just went after someone who was consensus townread and wasnt getting any heat at all to prevent us from getting info on people by proxy

This was also my thought
If a specific player gets NKed n2 however, that probably allows me to single out at least 1 scum

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I feel like the final wagon happened so fast and quickly that there's min 2 scum on it.

A good few of them came from my wagon though, like at least 3

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Wait you thought I was scum for inflating my post count?
If I wanted to post more as scum I think I’d try to make it something more substantial than the random questions you seemed to take issue with.

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Not much of anywhere but that’s because a lot of them were at you or DGB, who I was basically just trying to parse out the less agreeable things I saw because I felt like you two were town and didn’t want to tilt out of those reads for one thing that pinged me

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It feels off to me that std is being scumread for town reading t3 but gamma and a50 get a pass?

Do you not realize how much of a basket case you’re being with this? I called you out for the inverse and you got defensive.

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I mean I guess in a way you could make the argument that if he was scum that fake claim a meta gulity to try to get gamma killed over himself then he wouldn't have withdrawn but gamma was town reading him for meta scum reading and I think that's bunk. I DK about you and std though.

Someone remind me to meta scum read someone since it's a town tell

It’s the way he did it that was towny
He seemed to legitimately believe he had some smoking gun on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB’s play rn seems logical
And I also think it might be Shrek who is the guilty

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone run me through DGB's claim because I am thoroughly confused. If they are loyal and their action succeeded wouldn't that mean that their target is town?

If the PT was formed, sure

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aRrrrrRrrrRrRRRRRRight

ArcAngel is town. Look at her join date... I've played many games with her.

Why? Generally her play does seem to match her towngame but the way she is going after Shrek feels no bueno

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Forget Nero. T3 is gone so who do you think is scum now?

I already said this in an earlier post, but I’m thinking dwlee and MegA, along with probably StD, with the fourth TBD
I’m a bit perturbed you didn’t mention that post but your walls seem like stream-of-consciousness so the already answered question doesn’t miff me too much

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aRrrrrRrrrRrRRRRRRight

ArcAngel is town. Look at her join date... I've played many games with her.

Why? Generally her play does seem to match her towngame but the way she is going after Shrek feels no bueno

What is my town game Gamma ? Wanna bet?

Lol what’s with the backlash?
I’m mostly basing my statement on what I saw in the mystics micro and LN 234

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I trust it

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The derps feel sane, and it kinda reminds of another game
What’s interesting is the person got targeted had to have not posted in order for DGB to make that mistake, which just seems like such a stupid thing to do

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Isn’t DGB claiming a substantially different role here?

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Like it’s not different by a mile but it’s still different enough

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Do I vote for the Amished?
I’ll pass rn, but know I’m willing and able

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What is time, even?

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How is it 50/50?

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Assumed typo

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Random chance doesn’t take into account prior outcomes, if that’s where the snag is
And the chance of rolling town in a singleball game is generally 3/4

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So this is dw and my 6th game 3 of them is town 2 of them is scum so there's a50/50 chance he is scum. So I'm just not going to bother till later.

Dude I literally just said the odds are NOT 50/50
If you’d responded to my initial question on this subject by saying your consideration is whether something is or is not the case that would have made sense but you’re literally ignoring the actual factual math I just gave
In a 13 player game with 3 scum there’s approximately a 1/4 chance of being scum. Since the way of adding or removing players is to do a balance of 1 scum to every 3 town, this generalized ratio is applicable to any single all game. In a multiball game I’d say the chance of being scum rises to something like 2/5.

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StD/Gamma scumreading each other but not really pushing is interesting.

I said earlier today the traction is straight up not there
I’m not gonna dick myself over by pushing a read I’m clearly alone* on and making myself unpopular like I’ve done in the past

*there was support by you and Shrek but that’s still not enough to really make it valid

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And the vote count said it all. T3 and nw and mega were all on Nero all day yesterday gamma was on him too.

So? I don’t think Nero is scum anymore.

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I didn't push Norway...

No your right . Can every one take a look at the vote count from yesterday. And you will see t3 and nw stayed on Nero . Nw went back and fourth on gamma and Nero . And both got close to being flipped but then Nero ended up being the last one to vote t3 besides t3s self hammer.

What the-
I swear there must be some mixed up names here because otherwise cyrus is straight up driving a narrative of lies

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And the vote count said it all. T3 and nw and mega were all on Nero all day yesterday gamma was on him too.

So? I don’t think Nero is scum anymore.

Why not?

I don’t think he acts this bullheaded as scum

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How is it 50/50?

How many times can you role town in a row if it's all random . It's like a dice you throw it 6 times what's the cance of rolling 1?

This is not how probability works

you would have a 36% chance of hitting 1

. As I said I'm not bothering with dw he can be whatever this game. I'm sure before the games over I will know. Poe Nero gamma a50 and lick

NO YOU WOULDN’T????
My dude you are coming off as borderline senile with how poor your grasp of probability is!

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If I'm scum then you're definitely scum Nero.

Cyrus, Norwee hard defended Nero. The wagons aren't always the best way to catch up because they are snippets that can miss what is actually happening in the game.

When Nero kills he aims at people who town read or defend him. Less of a chance people will expect him then.

Source???

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So this is dw and my 6th game 3 of them is town 2 of them is scum so there's a50/50 chance he is scum. So I'm just not going to bother till later.

That is the Gambler's Fallacy.

It’s not even that, it’s just WRONG.

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A50 is low-key useless as town

Okay so why were you pushing him earlier?

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So this is dw and my 6th game 3 of them is town 2 of them is scum so there's a50/50 chance he is scum. So I'm just not going to bother till later.

That is the Gambler's Fallacy.

It’s not even that, it’s just WRONG.

I thought Gambler's Fallacy was exactly this? Assuming something completely random (barring mod corruption which is unlikely) is less likely due to it happening before.

The numbers don’t even make sense if he was doing Gambler’s Fallacy though

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is it DGB?

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A 1-shot in a large seems weak right?

it's been happening quite a bit recently I think

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Ok well that makes me locktown DGB, because clearly they were saying 1x so they wouldn't be NK. So... shit.

yeah that's what I was thinking which is why I'm kinda pissed at LQ for fucking it up!

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LQ can't be scum if DGB is town

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Ok well that makes me locktown DGB, because clearly they were saying 1x so they wouldn't be NK. So... shit.

yeah that's what I was thinking which is why I'm kinda pissed at LQ for fucking it up!

It doesn't mess up anything. Either DGB or I will be NKed. If I get NKed then DGB can still used their shot. Else, If DGB get's shot, they can still use their shot and I can see the results. We get another shot regardless if DGB is telling the truth.

eh, I guess I can forgive this, it seems thought out enough

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this feels like a storm of red herrings

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Ok well that makes me locktown DGB, because clearly they were saying 1x so they wouldn't be NK. So... shit.

Yuuuup. So is LQ scum or dumb

DGB claimed Loyal. So how can I be Scum?

How can DGB be scum?

By lying about being Loyal. Which means this whole thing is some elaborate SvS with me and DGB or I am Town regardless.

unless DGB flips scum Disloyal Neighborizer I'm not entirely inclined to clear you off a DGB scumflip

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I just think the way you've been playing feels a little weird for conftown what with how much you've been pushing for DGB's death

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if I wanted to kill people who wanted to wagon me norway would not be the first pick

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probably for being obvtown

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idk about you
cheeky I honestly don't get she didn't die
Nero would have actually been to logical target if I wanted to stop the push on me

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I've seen scum neighborizer do this EXACT play before ftr. In Yggdrasil, Something_Smart was disloyal neighborizer and fake claimed loyal neighborizer. I feel like the way DGB approached its claim mostly benefits it if it is scum, but it's also possible it is just them derping.

I also saw mastina fakeclaim loyal gladiator as scum disloyal gladiator

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Lmao is loyal gladiator even a thing? How many people bought it?

it was a upick

[Gamma Emerald]

Lmao is loyal gladiator even a thing? How many people bought it?

it was a upick

Oh you bought it?? Lol

for a time
we gave her like 2 days leeway, then she did something fucky on D3 iirc and we ended up yeeting her then

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backup x doesn't have to have the same specs as the original role x
I remember a very silly instance of a backup role in one specific game, lemme check it

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backup x doesn't have to have the same specs as the original role x
I remember a very silly instance of a backup role in one specific game, lemme check it

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72786
this game, it had a backup vanilla cop that got empowered when the novice cop died iirc
so yeah there's some weirdness in what backups can do

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DGB might be an idea to tell us who you're targeting so if you get NK'd LQ can confirm if it worked.

If I'm NK'd the action will not go through, so it's pointless. I'm either going to be NK'd or RB'd, thanks LQ.

wait fr? that doesn't make sense

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yeah killing is low on the NAR and it shouldn't stop a neighborize if it's adding to the same hood (which by the fact the hood was around from the start is the logical assumption)

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Dwlee is already conftown.

actuallly how

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This does feel a little like scum!cyrus IMO

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o7
VOTE: Almost50
I did some thinking last night and realized I’m not feeling much of a presence from A50 rn
@anyone who played through more of LN 234 than me: how present was A50 in that game?

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Ngl had StD not died I would have likely doubled down on pushing him because he managed to once again whip out the behavior of defending to soon to be mislimmed player

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You shouldn't.

Unless you have a peek I think I believe the claim. Do you have a peek?

No because DGB is Ascetic and the only reason to lie about that is because it's scum.

How do you know that?

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Most people tend to confuse no result and no action
Also I’m in a weird-ass spot because I want to believe DGB but the reason why involve potentially dodgy setup spec

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I feel like one of the no results on DGB could be a scum PR

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Rolecop would still fail on ascetic
Fucking DUH

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VOTE: shrek

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Consider yourself out of my townblock.

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UNVOTE:

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Well DGB was rolestopped or alien'd or is ascetic. If rolestopped, Shrek is scum, if alien'd, Shrek could be town, if ascetic, DGB is evil. I want to know why Shrek targeted DGB here.

Why is DGB evil if Ascetic?

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Eh at this point maybe it makes sense
I don’t get why cheeky was asserting that from word one before DGB had a chance to come clean

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Honestly through the night phase I was getting shaky boots about cheeky and this really isn't helping

Yeah there was something I read after the thread lock that pinged me quite badly

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Directly killed or targeted LQ probably

Who the fuck directly kills StD though

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Yeah but he was most vocal about it when everyone had basically been decided

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I still think I would prioritize other people pushing me partly because of what you mentioned about him being mislimmable

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Honestly through the night phase I was getting shaky boots about cheeky and this really isn't helping

Yeah there was something I read after the thread lock that pinged me quite badly

What was that?

Gimme a minute and I should be able to find it

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Shouldn't mega claim first

Srs?

I swear you guys waste more posts than even me.

I'm trying to be #1.

It was this post
Kinda a weird thing but I think what past!me had in mind was that it felt a bit like how I try to dominate the thread as scum

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Nero, do you like this? Y/N?

I actually had a memo I made during the night phase saying I’d like it if you did song picks for all the living players still in the game

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shit I just realized how many pages I have to read

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Uhhh my avatar is a witch

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FYI I’m not too surprised my avatar was mistaken cos someone thought I had an avatar of a character from Valorant at one point iirc

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ok no I wasn't as behind as I thought

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Results:
CheekyTeeky and Shrek visited DrippingGoofball last night.

I just thought of an explanation for what's going on that pretty much explains this, and if it's right StD did not target DGB (or he did but was directly targeted)

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Results:
CheekyTeeky and Shrek visited DrippingGoofball last night.

I just thought of an explanation for what's going on that pretty much explains this, and if it's right StD did not target DGB (or he did but was directly targeted)

Which is what?

MegA is scum rolestopper or alien, and waited out everyone else to see who they could claim visited DGB

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Can you imagine being a tracker and not mentioning your Night 1 result?

FYI this is a solid point

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Can you imagine being a tracker and not mentioning your Night 1 result?

FYI this is a solid point

Not if they didn't get a result.

maybe don't give potential scum excuses?
You're basically being the fifth scum rn with how shitty your direction is today

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I will pretty much only support a Shrek or MegA lim rn
unless we somehow decide we don't want to sort the nightplay rn, in which case my first choice would be A50

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Because I can see a world where Scum twist it to their liking D4 and push a false narrative. That's why we let the NK's sort it out.

Does it look like that's what I'm doing?

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I have a result from N1, I haven't fully claimed yet.

okay
do you not think it might make things maybe slightly easier to parse if you claimed it?

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I don't feel like it would be beneficial rn
but I'm gonna be less trusting the longer it takes given how duplicitous you already seem

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"Hi, I'm Vig and I am going to shout out my target at EoD just to let Scum know what I am doing."

Yeah, I don't buy that claim and neither should Scum.

this literally just happened in a recent game

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"Hi, I'm Vig and I am going to shout out my target at EoD just to let Scum know what I am doing."

Yeah, I don't buy that claim and neither should Scum.

this literally just happened in a recent game

Don't care. It's not something Roden does here with a true claim... ever. You like meta reads? Go look for Roden doing that legitimately as a real claim.

source? I don't care to search for a needle in a haystack when seem to know what you're talking about

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If I was scum and someone made an emotional charged statement about how they're going to kill me that night, it would at least make me paranoid. I doubt scum leave scum!Dwlee's life in the game up to chance. I'm not sure why you're arguing against this though since you don't seem to be scum reading Dwlee?

It does literally nothing since DW is Town.

that's what Roden is saying anyway?

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so it's not a meta point at all, so I see no reason to listen to your ramblings

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I'd hope by the second (well, fourth) mislim we'd at least be able to peg 1 scum in the aftermath of all of those dead bodies

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LQ, if DGB is scum then not only are you not conftown anymore, you are also most likely scum because you're twisting this narrative in such a way that I logically don't see how it could ever be sound.

We're voting Shrek today because this solves who's lying and who's telling the truth. No other vote besides DGB itself does this and I'm not voting DGB. Shrek literally got caught fake claiming so I don't understand why you think they're telling the truth.

I don't think DGB is scum but if it ends up flipping scum I'm more than happy to send out LQ after because I'm having extreme trouble comprehending how town can be this blatantly bad

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y gamma over a semi guilty on shrek?

Because Shrek is also semi-innocent.

how in the fuck

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You believe MegA? Isn't it too convenient that MegA claims well into the day after all the crowing and comes with the only result that could clear both Shrek and themself?

I mean, that's Null, honestly.

when MegA has consistently flown beneath pressure this game? I'm not buying any of it.

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They could be scum partners with mega

They being Shrek or Cheeky

yeah that's basically what I'm thinking
that entire group of three feels super impure

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If DGB is scum we all owe it to it to nom them after the game.

Uh, no? Because we let NKs solve this. If I die (which is likely) then it paints DGB in a bad light. If Shrek dies, then it paints DGB in a bad light. If DGB dies, then it makes Shrek look bad. If Cheeky dies, it probably does nothing, but dissuades the conversation one more day.

On another note, I think the reason that DGB took my advice to target Shrek is because of who it clears if Shrek is Scum. I would have honestly expected Town!DGB to question my methods of those clears because they are behind closed doors.

or scum NK someone else outside of that mess and we learn basically nothing
my thinking is to burn the worst claim which atp is Shrek, followed by MegA

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If DGB is scum we all owe it to it to nom them after the game.

Uh, no? Because we let NKs solve this. If I die (which is likely) then it paints DGB in a bad light. If Shrek dies, then it paints DGB in a bad light. If DGB dies, then it makes Shrek look bad. If Cheeky dies, it probably does nothing, but dissuades the conversation one more day.

On another note, I think the reason that DGB took my advice to target Shrek is because of who it clears if Shrek is Scum. I would have honestly expected Town!DGB to question my methods of those clears because they are behind closed doors.

or scum NK someone else outside of that mess and we learn basically nothing
my thinking is to burn the worst claim which atp is Shrek, followed by MegA

Which just gives TPR more time to use NA.

I don't wanna let a dodgy claim slide though, clearly scum have their fingers deep in the mech sauce so I'm not gonna trust until we can get those out

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Wait, Cheeky got no result. Mega claims Cheeky visited DGB. Mega has to be lying about cheeky visiting or Cheeky is lying about no result, because if Cheeky was roleblocked she can't visit DGB and if DGB was rolestopped Mega couldn't see Cheeky visiting.

Cheeky no result just means DGB didn't actually use a NA.

what the actual

FUCK

? Cheeky hasn't actually claimed any specifics about her role, how the fuck are you saying this?????????????

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Gamma: Inflating post count

lmfao you're still stuck on this moronic-ass point?

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Gamma: Inflating post count

lmfao you're still stuck on this moronic-ass point?

All these questions that lead nowhere says yes, yes I am.

I was trying to mitigate paranoia, imo those questions were very meaningful

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My target N2 was DGB so from my PoV it makes sense if Shrek visited DGB to NK them and STD protected DGB and MegA is scum with a fake claim.

I'm not asking what makes sense to you. I'm asking you about what you know for a fact.

this is the first good lead I've seen you pursue in a long time

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"Action failed" just isn't a thing.

Yeah it is a thing, specific to my role which means either I was RB'd or DGB ascetic which I don't think they are due to Shrek/mega claims and STD death.

I think I figured out your role, and if I'm right major fucking kudos to you

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isnt this like mega first game on this site? i think she just slipped up is all. If we wanted to do mega first that's fine.

not her first but possibly first scum game

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VOTE: MegA
between just the generally dodgy play and the role usage/claim not really making sense I'm more than happy to vote here

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yeah Shrek's claim is worse but I think as a sum total MegA is the scummiest person still alive in this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Any investigation role or a checker gets that result. Why am I in this thread again

yeaahhh

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I think for anyone who bothers to check the normal rolelist Cheeky's role is just about obvious but I'm still not saying it outright because it's not my secret to share

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like no one believed the mason claim and cheekys reaction to no one believing it is hilarious.

A50 bought it

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tbh there's a part of me that has been thinking since the word "go" that norwee was killed because cheeky never stopped TRing him past a certain point and her early pressure on the slot was pretty shallow to the point it seemed like a potential mason partner
that probably points to A50 first and foremost

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std was the only person who visited cheeky n1 and we know hes not scum. why would scum choose to rb cheeky randomly when dgb not being able to add someone to its hood is an infinitely better option

WHAT

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VOTE: Shrek
SEEYA!

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MegA 100% goes next because that's probably whose result he's slipping there

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote for mega you clowns

shrek literally scumslipped m8
though I think mega definitely is tied to it so she happens D4 very very likely

[Gamma Emerald]

std was the only person who visited cheeky n1 and we know hes not scum. why would scum choose to rb cheeky randomly when dgb not being able to add someone to its hood is an infinitely better option

WHAT

how the fuck can Shrek say with any confidence that StD is the ONLY person to visit Cheeky? Because he's scum with the watcher who checked on Cheeky n1, whose claim was criticized for being suspiciously gated to oblivion
IN FACT! That explains the StD NK, since they likely deduced StD was a protective from the fact he targeted the mason claim!

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh the "only person to visit" line. Think that could be Shrek being confused what the hell tracker does.

nuh uh, don't buy it

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think who's been on-site for as long as I have, even if not active the entire time, is gonna make such a rookie mistake as not knowing what Tracker does

[Gamma Emerald]

This is Shrek's second game

but like, Watcher exists and was claimed in this game too? Would Shrek not upon seeing that claim have the gears start turning and probably realize "hey my role doesn't work like I thought it did"?

[Gamma Emerald]

that doesn't lead to that level of confidence about what Shrek was trying to say there?

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I wouldn't be

opposed

to flipping MegA but Shrek posted something that looks like a scumslip beyond what I'd consider reasonable doubt

[Gamma Emerald]

We can literally just turbo elim both. At this point I don't think the order matters as much.

pretty much what I'm thinking, I just wanna take out the one who broke first

[Gamma Emerald]

Mega posted a bigger scumslip with the results claimed. Maybe we are splitting hairs over who should go first.

I don't recall it being scumslip level but I'm open to being convinced

[Gamma Emerald]

LQ actually fifth scum rn

tbh this just feels uncalled for at this point
I don't think putting down intent to hammer on someone who all but scumslipped is deserving of this sort of treatment

[Gamma Emerald]

STRIKE HARD

STRIKE FAST

NO MERCY

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Gamma Emerald]

Has everyone checked in?

yes, at some point or another

[Gamma Emerald]

I legit forgot she was in this game 0_0

[Gamma Emerald]

MegAzumarill has been exiled! They were a

Mafia Goon

Spoiler: MegAzumarill

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__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Welcome, MegAzumarill! You are a

Mafia Goon

, aligned with the

Mafia

.

Abilities:
• You have no special abilities.

Factional Abilities:
• You are a member of the Mafia,

[redacted]

. Your Private Topic is here:

[redacted]

• Each night, one member of the Mafia may perform the Mafia factional nightkill if they are not otherwise acting.

Win Condition:

•

You win when all the threats to the

Mafia

are gone and at least one

Mafioso

is still alive, or when nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm your Role PM by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the Mafia PT.

Night 3 has begun! Please send in your night actions within (expired on 2021-08-20 21:00:00). Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.

This doesn’t change my mind about Shrek. I’ve seen mafia goon fake claim their partner’s PR before. Shrek’s behavior before the guilty on him is still suspicious.

[Gamma Emerald]

my claim as tracker was faked to see what mega would say and if he would fall for the bait, but i had to improvise when people asked me for my n1 results. it DID work, though. mega only claimed his results after i claimed tracker meaning that he outed himself as a mafia member immediately. i wanted to see whether or not he would double down on it but i was pulled away from the computer and the day phase ended while i was gone

This literally clarifies nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm kinda suspicious of Dwlee changing the lim from Shrek to MegA and MegA flipping goon. I think smartest play is to lim Shrek today and if Shrek flips mafia PR rethink on Dwlee.

VOTE: Shrek

I was deeply aware of this myself

[Gamma Emerald]

I townread Shrek on play rn

hrm. I did too D1 and D2, I think the more recent evidence is well more than enough to overturn it

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn't cheeky have a clear on gamma btw?

Unless Cheeky is Gunsmith and Gamma is Traitor, I think so...

Maybe unvote then, fucker

[Gamma Emerald]

because bg was either on someone else or they killed std directly for a low info kill like norwe’s

I still think Norwee was an attempt to mason hunt by the scumteam, thus affirming Cheeky as town

[Gamma Emerald]

No, it actually confirms that it was a gambit. Are you serious rn?

HOW

[Gamma Emerald]

because bg was either on someone else or they killed std directly for a low info kill like norwe’s

I still think Norwee was an attempt to mason hunt by the scumteam, thus affirming Cheeky as town

That... is not likely... Why wouldn't they just kill Cheeky?

Because Cheeky was the likely protect target. It’s like in Survivor where the majority alliance splits votes to flush an idol, they put the watcher on Cheeky to flush out protectives while making a safe kill on someone who seemed close to her.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, it actually confirms that it was a gambit. Are you serious rn?

HOW

Keep reading. It would have to be a well thought out claim scheme if both Shrek and Mega are Scum. I say this because Shrek said it was a gambit, and IDK why they wouldn't just stick with that into this Day since it makes Shrek look a lot worse and cause a 1v1 with DGB.

Did you not read the part where Shrek had a chance to put the gambit yesterday and didn’t?

[Gamma Emerald]

hai

[Gamma Emerald]

I legit forgot she was in this game 0_0

...I have my pronoun right under my avatar. My God.

Sorry
I tend to rely on usernames which sometimes results in preconceived notions that don’t align with the actual pronoun in use

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah they were pushing hard for Cyrus but not actually voting them until momentum was there.

hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Dwlee is scum rather than Nero. I’ve had an instance where I thought two players acting in unison were scum partners but eventually rightfully realized one of them was pocketed. That’s kinda what I feel like Dwlee has been doing with Nero.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town reading gamma

I expect you to be deepthroating these words once Shrek flips scum

[Gamma Emerald]

when I caught onto Shrek's slip I went HARD against it, while I'd probably be among those coaching him along if I'm scum with him
but you honestly need look no further than his attempts to paint me as the bad guy coming in today. There's very little to gain as scum by trying to off yet another team member when you're also whipping up a bullshit story to get everyone off your back already. The obvious play there would be to make the countercase to the slip, and attempt to "convince" me, rather than immediately attempt to kill me off.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma am I conf town?

not quite, but you're at least a hard TR

[Gamma Emerald]

My assumption is that dgb was the intended kill and the bg saved dbg. Would dgbs neighboizor still happen if dgb was killed last night?

oh my god dude get with the fucking program

[Gamma Emerald]

My assumption is that dgb was the intended kill and the bg saved dbg. Would dgbs neighboizor still happen if dgb was killed last night?

oh my god dude get with the fucking program

Y is suggesting that scum tried to kill dbg the other night such an offense?

I’m pretty sure StD was directly targeted last night, it’s tied into why I think Shrek is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, the night he died

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you're both town, if it helps.

@Nero and Gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I think the no kill happened for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. I was JK'd and the target.
2. Scum wifom chose to no kill to see which direction today was going to go and give us less info to work with. This lines up with Shrek rescinding his claim because he would have been the logical NK after not rescinding yesterday. So scum killing anyone else would have confirmed him as scum. If scum were blocked from killing it was definitely aimed at me.

Since my role is now redundant, I'll claim. I am a watcher, which doesn't clear Gamma in anyway. N1 noone targeted Gamma, which I thought was where the NK would go if all the pushes on Gamma came from Town. I was trying to decipher Gamma's play after the result and I can see strange associatives with both MegA and Kitty that could indicate a scum!Gamma here. Town would have worked this out on my flip so that could be why I've been kept alive to keep people believing I have an inno on scum!Gamma. I don't think this necessarily clears Nero because his pushes on Gamma haven't really led anywhere.

Nero associatives with MegA are slightly better than Gamma but it's weird that MegA only felt comfortable pushing Nero. I think it's slim chances that both Nero and Gamma are town or Scum but more likely one is scum and it's probably Gamma.

Fuck sake
I don’t even know if I can process this atp
However I’m very much less inclined to trust Cheeky given she hit a certain chord with me she’s only hit as scum before

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not too sure that scum would shoot std unless he was rolecopped or something.

Scum watched Cheeky N1 most likely
Whether Cheeky is scum or town I’m not sure but either way her mason claim made her a likely target for protectives

[Gamma Emerald]

So in my head I was really excited for D3 to start because I had MegA lock scum, plus the NK or RB target. I didn't think about a rolestop, which I guess is still possible and I definitely didn't expect to be directly roleblocked.

This actually checks out as good TI play
The play as cop when someone claims your role is to holster your CC for one day and get another check so you can possibly out two scum rather than one.
I’m mildly concerned that nothing seemed to come of it yesterday but I also quick-hammered

[Gamma Emerald]

We can barely get any traction on gamma. I don't really feel like he's ez. And I feel like I'm really the only one pushing for him.

If Gamma is scum then team likely {Shrek, Gamma, Kitty}

I would probably be losing my mind in so many ways if that were the team

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would Cheeky "gladiate" me and not MegA, who are both claiming the same role?

It makes no sense at all.

That’s a very good question!

[Gamma Emerald]

Every player has posted togameday and no one has claimed an action that could have stopped the NK.

Which means probably no one stopped a NK.

Which means that the scum big brained and did not submit a NK? It's farfetched.

I think it is likely if Gamma is scum.

Don’t think I don’t notice you skating and dancing around affirming you turnaround on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

If cheeky is a scum watcher then gamma is prob town yea?

Cheeky damn near broke my will to live in the game with the claim and how much it confuses me, which has only happened when she’s been scum and I’ve been town (well, once, lol) but I fully expect that to not be convincing as a point for me!town because I didn’t exhibit any outward signs of that feeling before catching myself on it. I guess how I can construe it is that me being mindful of that sort of reaction wouldn’t be as necessary as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not mad about being flipped, I was expecting to be killed last night so I wouldn't have to out myself to get Gamma. I'm just annoyed at how daft everyone is being this day phase. If anything my play D2 was bad I shouldn't have assumed DGB was ascetic but I couldn't see any reason for scum to roleblock me.

This trajectory feels like such bullshit seeing as you were so tepid about confirming or denying anything about what the result meant for me yesterday. If you’re actually playing with an unbiased POV there’s nothing as I see it about what you’ve done that alters what alignment I can be. You shouldn’t have been defending me earlier, and you shouldn’t be shading me now.

[Gamma Emerald]

So here’s what’s on my mind rn.
If Shrek flips scum PR, dwlee probably needs to get limmed at some point. But if he’s not watcher specifically, that makes things a bit perplexing, because I feel like from how MegA claimed from Shrek’s scumflip scum have to have a watcher, but it can’t be Cheeky because can’t self-watch and scum watcher presumably was on Cheeky.

So basically I feel like my view of the game state makes sense but it’s kinda coming apart at the seams with more thought. Though honestly Cheeky, if scum, checks a box I was unaware of who was filling it this game, that being “scum in my townblock”. I almost ALWAYS seem to locktown a scum early on. Idk if I can ever curb that habit, but I’m at least aware of it, making it able to be played around. Cabd in the past has said that the person I defend the hardest is the one person who should be eliminated above all else, and iirc I more-or-less agreed with him. As someone who has a lot of irl issues to grapple with, I’ve learned that you have to work within the limitations you have, rather than try to surpass them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you can't save it, I'll flip one way or another so you're pretty much food now. The last scum if there's 4 I don't have a clue on but I guess Kitty is fine.

I’ve faced similar odds and still lived to endgame as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Mega almost got off with not being the day's lim a second time for no reason. Mega was confirmed scum if Cheeky is town. The chance of Shrek being town was non zero and I didn't want Mega to get off again because the way people kept moving away from them for no reason despite being confirmed scum from people who were refusing to vote them made me think they were more likely to be a scum PR than Shrek. If Shrek flips scum PR okay I was wrong but this "dwlee doesn't live to ELO because they pushed mega through" is dumb.

Tbh this is fair
But I still think you’ve turned Nero into your own little hobby horse

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero has a point about checking for people targeting a buddy
But I do kinda think whoever mentioned me not being a likely investigation target made sense as well
Tbh the only investigating role I could see targeting me in that scenario is something loyal/disloyal that has non-investigative functionality

[Gamma Emerald]

The power of notsci compelled me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked at Shrek and MegA’s ISOs last night and I have an idea of where scum might be based on their interactions with other players
Fun fact: Dwlee actually looks townier when looking at how MegA placed him in her reads!

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Shrek’s flip conftowns DGB I’m pretty sure

[Gamma Emerald]

What do ppl think about lining roden?

I'm down with it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Roden
mkay

[Gamma Emerald]

I reassessed and realized Roden made more sense based on the reads the flipped scum put out

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh OK, could you point to those posts?

I’ll probably do that when I’m on PC

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah a traitor would die if targeted by the scum NK unless BP or protected

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Arc town? I feel like she’s the other person implicated by flipped scum’s reads alongside Roden

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is the “lone confirmed townie” to you, Roden?
Atp I think 2 people are actually factually obvtown here at least

DGB is basically conftown through the flips. Dwlee is the only obvtown we have, though I thought I was as well.

How is Nero not locktown for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like you are
The Meg push helps considerably

[Gamma Emerald]

He was on Meg from the very start pretty much
Without him I don’t think Meg would’ve gotten near as much pressure as she ended up getting

[Gamma Emerald]

So was Shrek, who kept going at Mega even after Nero gave up and tunneled you instead. Nero also was the main driving force on T3 and Cyrus elims, and still thinks you're scum. I'm not sure why you think Nero should be lock town, when from your perspective he's hard pushed for three townies and gave up on pushing two players who eventually flipped red. He even went quiet for both scum elims. Like I can understand town reading him but town locking him just doesn't make sense.

I feel like he's actually been trying to lead town down the right path this game
yeah T3 and cyrus ended up being distractions but as I said, I think without his presence mega wouldn't have gotten near as much actual pressure

[Gamma Emerald]

one thing to note is that since cheeky didn't see anyone visit DGB it wasn't blocked last night (unless cheeky is scum)

[Gamma Emerald]

siiiiigh
I'm really not feeling it

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, Russia has like 11 timezones and depend on where he's from it could be really early morning. Is there something he's suspicious for besides just posting once a blue Mon?

[Gamma Emerald]

2 more votes for a scum flip

Please do not rush the lim before DGB gets to claim results

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: cheekyteeky