large normal 239. game over

[over90]

I'm a traitor
VOTE: over90

[over90]

deserter to be fair

[over90]

ppl where are u?
we need more votes

[over90]

let's make short days (about 1 hour), go go go

[over90]

in mod we trust
VOTE: RCEnigma

[over90]

the most boring start of the game I've ever seen.
I literally fell asleep.

[over90]

Crazy that 12 people have posted and only 2 are town.

who?

[over90]

who is JV?

[over90]

don't hurry about bosco

[over90]

it was sound like provocation, nothing serious

[over90]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

How many scums are here in large?

[over90]

How many scums are here in large?

check ur pt

4-5 true?

[over90]

I think savethedragons is mafia
No good reasons, just feeling

[over90]

like force from starwars
I can feel the dark side inside him
and im not a sith, so...

[over90]

DeasVail - or maybe this one is mafia

[over90]

my activity will be low next couple of days

[over90]

go elim std, i have no other thoughts rn, bc we have almost no info here rn

[over90]

pray for the godsnipe readlist

I'm a pretty good sniper according to my lore

[over90]

need to wait 2 weeks to elim std....

[over90]

need to wait 2 weeks to elim std....

Is it still "like the force" with STD for you?

i am a deserter of the war everybody forgot about
but that war is not over for me, because i still have my rifle and some strong principles
during all those years i was killing many people and nobody cares about them, bc they deserved every single bullet
i started to kill only those who deserve it more than anybody else
really bad people, pure evil
and std is among them, he deserves my bullet
i feel it through the scope
with no sound from a long range distance
it is enough to have at least one eye to understand: is a person bad or not

[over90]

townies for me rn: kitty, bosco, nero, potato
mistakes are possible, but i don't want to elim em today
i tried to sort the rest ones, but it is too hard for now

[over90]

to see who likes to ask silly questions

[over90]

Playing with NK15. over90 & maybe Gamma.

i have some doubts about these two, but i can understand why u like them, ok

[over90]

Bad news - I have to read all this pages...

20 minutes later... Is it so bad?

Nothing interesting. No information. Meta-talkings have no sense for me, cause I'm new. Playing with NK15. over90 & maybe Gamma.

[over90]

some overreaction about pages with such fast-reading

and what did u expect to happen here to be interesting?

[over90]

nothing changed, std is a mafia scum

[over90]

they joined back-to-back, if I had to guess I'd say they know each other from somewhere else

+

[over90]

not an expert, i saw only 1 game of them, knowing their side

[over90]

ItalianoVD

RCEnigma

Dannflor

KittyTacky
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
DeasVail

SirCakez

Save The Dragons

over90
mq.bosco
Carcalilly
takotsubo syndrome
NashedPotato
Enchant

pray for the godsnipe readlist

2 of those are totally serious rn actually

Not Known 15

is it not strange to create such kind of list so early?
it is rather random because of your phrase "2 of those are totally serious rn actually"
can you tell more about your thought process here?
who are these two?

[over90]

if a player tries hard, meta doesn't work

[over90]

over90, I would like to know why you townread Kitty.

some meta and his bravery,
relaxation, but i can be wrong

[over90]

ugh, sorry, second time

i dont feel taco's case is strong

nk15 has the weakest vote here (because he voted kitty and with no reason he quotes kitty's reason to vote right after kitty to taco, that's really bad), buuuut suddenly taco says it is ok for nk15, and bosco is playing with nk15, so i will ignore him for a while (and bosco is not so town for me now too; and i want to ignore taco too rn)

i dont like std and italianoVD more
we'd better create a wagon somewhere here

[over90]

i mean tako, not taco

[over90]

i see no reason to think that i've made a mistake, nothing much serious to discuss, but it is not just random

[over90]

Btw, std says that italiano is town. So between 2 of them std is more mafia, than italiano

[over90]

i see no reason to think that i've made a mistake, nothing much serious to discuss, but it is not just random

So is it more of a "you haven't proven to be town" kinda read? It just feels odd that you call them scum in several different occasions and yet have little to no interaction with them.

It is hard and weird to explain my thought process about finding std as a scum, when there was almost nothing in the thread.

[over90]

After the game, if im right

[over90]

isn't it obvious why they think i'm scum

it is definitely not

[over90]

im proud of myself

[over90]

towns: kitty, nero, sircakez, enchant, bosco(?)
wolfs: std, italiano
there are some problems in nk15-tako, or maybe not

but i have trashy mood rn, after hard work days, maybe i'll be more serious tomorrow

[over90]

Please explain to me how the following are up so high: Enchant & Bosco?

yeah quite risky and the reasons are not solid;
in very simple words: bosco seems alone (not in a team); enchant gave a good position (scum std, and rather scummy the others, except me ofc, and there are no huge problems in this position).

[over90]

The sheeping, the lack of input,

and the wagon you jumped from to get there.

Explain.

what about my explanation?

nk15 has the weakest vote here (because he voted kitty and with no reason he quotes kitty's reason to vote right after kitty to taco, that's really bad), buuuut suddenly taco says it is ok for nk15, and bosco is playing with nk15, so i will ignore him for a while (and bosco is not so town for me now too; and i want to ignore taco too rn)

[over90]

nk, u need to give your thoughts about the players with explanation

because sometime you are susp for me. but it is also interesting how many defenders you have: bosco, kitty and even tak(c)o

[over90]

go place std on e-1, please
is it so hard?

[over90]

Italiano, why dont you vote STD?

[over90]

VOTE: Not Known 15

[over90]

Bosco, any updates about nk15?

[over90]

If Tako is Vasex

wrong

[over90]

ugh, im too lazy to think here these days. and im busy a bit with other game not on this forum. but im reading here every day.
im ready to trust Nero on day 1 before any of his mistakes. he is the most active player here at least, usually this is a good sign.
we have almost the same opinion (position). Std, Italiano... i dont trust Gamma much... the only doubt i have is about Kitty-mafia, but maybe im wrong and nero is right. Im not sure about nk15 and tako at all, and I dont understand some things about others. i need more info, and then I'll reread more attentively.

[over90]

btw, italiano and nero - is it possible that you are both towns? just think some time about it, just in case. bc if you are townies, it is difficult to understand the game through your fighting, when you are considering each other the most scum. if you are so sure, then we have at least 1 scum between two of you and it will be useful to check any of you using a cop, for example italiano, to understand both your sides with 1 shot. Right? And to eliminate someone else, smb who is more lurking

[over90]

I bet I could v/la for the rest of the game and still be the top poster.

so i'll be dead soon?

[over90]

it is so difficult to unvote nk15...

[over90]

impressive

over90 is scum.

nope

i will read it later

[over90]

Mixed up you with DeasVail, sorry.
You are a very slight scumlean but... not like this.

ugh
you told that im a scum many times in your wallpost (it is easy to check finding "over" on this page using ctrl+F), as I can see now
and after my "impressive" you are saying that i'm just a scum lean, comparing with the others? that you have just a typo...
i think you are fooling with us rn
lol, i almost unvoted you, but this conclusion...

[over90]

why after all my scummy posts (in your opinion) i'm not so scum for you?
explain your thoughts here

[over90]

why not? explain the reason in words

[over90]

What did you mean by that, over90?

the character on my avatar

Complaining about gamestate isn't towny.

man, have you played this game before?

So far:
over90 is scum.
ItalianoVD is scum.
RCE is scum.
No longer seeing tako.
Nero is lhf town.

where are other townies for you? there are some scums, but is there almost zero solid townie for you?

too much useless and stupid questions, the whole activity looks very fake

elim nk15
even if he is townie (god please no), he will ruin the game later with such quality of his game

bosco, what do you think about him now? i've already asked you

[over90]

Gamma, do you have any solid towns? Except Carcalilly

[over90]

right now i can play smth like this: nk15+bosco+std... cop checks italiano

[over90]

meta, meta... u know, any good player knows his own meta too. he knows how to fake it,if it is necessary for him

[over90]

whst do you think about nk15 now? is it still green for you?

[over90]

Interesting

[over90]

now i need your update, enchant, if it is not too difficult

[over90]

Techically he didn't quote every post.

Lazy effort.

UNVOTE:

Hmmm

What is the reason of your unvoting?

[over90]

???

i can be much more active than you

[over90]

Enchant, I really need your updated opinion about nk15, italiano and maybe someone else... And I need to understand your reasons. Please help me with that

[over90]

btw, i consider nk15 is a scum right now, so your unvoting looks suspicious. Especially when ppl around us consider last activity of nk15 as very bad, like his voting for tako before that. Nk15 is your susp, but you are the only one who unvoted him for his strange actions with no explanation. you should talk about that, not remain silent

he prepared a huge post, then he create a conclusion after this "analysis"... but when he has talked with me in short fast dialog under this post, it appeared that there was a typo, and new conclusion was with huge logical problems, and when i pointed on that - he just dissappeared, he doesnt know what to say i his defense

and then you are unvoting him like nothing bad happened, moreover nk15 becomes more townie for you with no good reason - how is it possible? explain

[over90]

what to say i his defense

in his defense

[over90]

enchant is mafia, bc he doesnt consider gamma scum.
italiano is scum for enchant, italiano says nk15 is town, who is also scum for enchant... but enchant with no reason unvotes nk15, ignores my posts, and he doesnt say anything about gamma... gamma said italiano is a solid town. enchant ignores that, this is bad.

VOTE: enchant

[over90]

or maybe gamma should be hanged for solid town italiano, but enchant is also too strange in searching scums

[over90]

VOTE: gamma

[over90]

i have much experience, i dont care about your opinion, though right now i understand this game badly, but this is day 1 and nobody wants to hang my targets, so i will elim smb else

[over90]

you are more susp than italiano after your words that he is a solid town. this reason is enough to vote you if italiano is susp for me. and you are not playing against my other susps. nero is the most active player here and i can trust him for one day, he wants to elim you, so be it

[over90]

replacing gamma emerald

when i saw that previously, he was a scum

i pushed him a bit with my vote, and he was replaced, he was a scum

i even have a link to that moment, if smb needs

[over90]

it was here in the game accidentally. you are not very attentive or just pretending

[over90]

i was in game with gamma with my other alt

[over90]

in my previous games on day 1 i found almost all scums, sorting them almost correctly, and my votes were mostly on scums. but both times everything became shit after some claimings, stupid moves from some townies etc.

right now i dont feel that i'm right, and i also busy in other game, so mistakes are quite possible now

[over90]

std, dann, bosco - you have too low activity (2-4 days from your last posts)...

[over90]

- "Bah" posts are not allowed.

[over90]

pedit: that's not what that means. You post "bah" after you die. that's what's not allowed.

oh, thanks for explanation

[over90]

nk, you will be elimed today (on day 1)

[over90]

ok elim gamma today

[over90]

Just vote Dragons

Wow, all talk and not even a wagon there.
VOTE: Save the Dragons

Nah, we won't vote STD, because it is so interesting to see how you are playing your astonishment about things, that should make your green townies not so green anymore.... but u still want to elim std...

Carcalilly, Kitty, SirCakez, NK15, Gamma

What on Earth is this?

And just when I said I thought you were town, you do this.

whst do you think about nk15 now? is it still green for you?

Uhh, I really don't even know what to say. It doesn't make me feel good about it.

First, Gamma's vote was a real vote? That's news to me, I had no idea. I thought it was RVS and he was saying what's up. Gamma can confirm, but if so it doesn't change my read on him. Town!Gamma should be scumreading me, if he doesn't that actually makes me more suspicious.

Oh I just saw that he is getting replaced. Seriously?

[over90]

please smb add votes to elsa jay(gamma)

[over90]

hi
have you read the game?
there are 4 ppl want you dead, not 2. why do you think about 2? you can see how many votes you've already have
who is most susp for you?

[over90]

are you gonna claim smth before your death?

[over90]

there is no reason not to count people who voted gamma early, because tgere no reasons to unvote gamma becsuse of the replacement

if you dont count them, you have even less reasons to claim pr so early. too early for claiming, because as you've said, there are only 2 persons who votes you and both of them are asking for claiming, so in your own words it is almost nothing serious, and you have no need to claim no. But you did

There are 5 more days till the end of day 1 and you have only 2 people, who wants you dead... so why did you claim so early?

[over90]

"tgere" there
"becsuse" because
"no need to claim no." no need to claim now

[over90]

if this is super basic, can you prove it by telling us few your games where you did it early on day 1 with no huge pressure on you, playing for town role or claiming pr being vt?

[over90]

ok i need other opinions. we can elim bosco for her position (nk15 and gamma are towns), and then we can elim elsa jay, if she survives the night as claimed pr.
what do you think?

[over90]

cop checks italiano or enchant
if italiano is town, nero is scum
enchant is doing strange things (defending both nk15 and gamma at wrong time)
or we can elim enchant snd to check smb between italiano and bosco

[over90]

*and to check

[over90]

if elsa jay survives the night, she is a scum

[over90]

yeah, but you've placed yourself in this situation only by youself, claiming pr. it is your ultimate decision.

[over90]

works often

[over90]

this is common (basic) tactic from mafia sport tournirs in russia/ukraine, where roles of dead players are hidden till the end of the game (10 players: 3 scums, 1 cop, 6 townies)

every cop's check is very valuable, and a good cop tries to get from his check maximum info; so checking two guys who are very sure that found scums in each other - is a method to get two different colors using only one check in this couple of players

if they are both townies, well... they are noobs who are guilty in the defeat... next time they won't be so noobs (they won't be so sure, they will be in doubts more, before making solid conclusions)

that's why it usually works good

[over90]

and they also can be both scums, but the chance is a bit lower for that

[over90]

in this kind of games mafia boss can check players, searching for a cop; all dead players can have a 1minute speach after their death; it is allowed to claim as cops...

these games are quite fast (1 full game is about 40 minutes); the best players of mafia consider it the best and the most professional kind of game

of course i understand, that not everything from there is ok to use here

[over90]

aaand 1 more thing: mafia has no PT there. There is no hidden communication between mafia at all. Before the game they decide how they will make signals for each other who should be killed. And if smb of them is doing smth wrong, they cannot kill at all. But usually mafia has no problems with that, they are very good in making and understanding different signals.

they know their own simple sign languages. people use it for any role to communicate with each other while one of them have their 1minute speach (everybody has it in order)

[over90]

example of playing it irl: https://youtu.be/nymcNBESuo4
example of playing it using webcams: https://www.youtube.com/c/playmafia/videos

they have some other strict rules, for example they can be kicked from the game for any strong emotions...

they have good traditions like not eliming anyone on day1 (they vote for not eliminate; i dont remember is it possible here?)

[over90]

so we should check italiano or enchant/bosco, okay?
one of enchant/bosco can be elimed today in my opinion
the fate of gamma/elsa can be decided according to her night survival (survived = scum)
but i'm not sure in all of this, this is just logics

[over90]

Technically we can no elim here but usually ending the day with no elims just means we end the day without actual info and give mafia the first shot. Eliming someone lets us check who's working together.

it is true, but to elim a townie...

Oh yeah: sometimes killing smarter players is better than killing PRs. I like doing that so town loses a voice of reason. If your scum Over that's a valid option.

Yeah, it is possible. But I'm not so sure about it, when we have claimed pr in the beginning of the game. And mafia even don't know what this pr (you) can do. To block their shot? To check their best and most important player? Maybe you are town's killer, who is going to kill smb of them? I guess it is better to kill you, than any vt.

[over90]

Technically we can no elim here

how does it work?
"no elim" 9 votes?

[over90]

i still cannot see any opinions about elsa's claiming.
i'm going to sleep. see ya

[over90]

But this game we HAVE to have a majority vote to kill someone.

i see, ok, so if we won't get majority of votes nobody will be dead on day1.
well, we have a choice and a chance to discuss it. but i can guess what decision will be made. though such discussion can be usefull also

[over90]

i'm not arguing that we have much more info here from elimination, than in my examples (where players don't know for sure roles of dead players)

[over90]

and we also kill to kill townies and town prs, right?

[over90]

enchant, nero, what about elsa/gamma?
and do you agree with my plan (about italiano, enchant, bosco, elsa)?

[over90]

jesus christ

[over90]

and we also kill to kill townies and town prs, right?

That looks like a post intended for the Mafia PT.
VOTE: Over90

I thought I was talking in PT, sorry for that

Can we re-start the game please? With new random roles?

[over90]

I kinda looked but didn't understand it

you didn't understand elsa?

[over90]

oh no, i'm sorry to my team for that mistake, i shouldn't write here instead of pt

[over90]

oh no what have i done

[over90]

i will sleep not well after that
goodbye

[over90]

Well i understand TIP ABOUT BEING PR, but i don't understand what you planned with this.

ugh

[over90]

VOTE: SirCakez

not sure what i think now about votes on me; the vote of cakez is more suspicious than from nk15; on the other hand maybe I should susp elsa for possible knowing my side and strange reaction a bit; i somehow liked enchant's reaction there.

anyway elsa claimed not vt and i voted town pr on day1 last time on mafiascum, so i'm not willing to repeat it

[over90]

I'm having a rough day emotionally, just figured I should admit that. I hope it passes in the next day or two.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Not reading. Just want a wagon to sort for VCA.

she claimed not vt, have you seen that?

[over90]

about cakez... maybe scums usually dont do anything in such situations or even protect the target,not attack... but it easy to believe that nk15 is just absolutely dont know how to play this game and can be town, but cakez feels like more serious player, so it is hard to believe that he believed in the situation with my message "out of PT"... was he joking? i dont know, it is hard to understand. my bet for now: he was pretending

[over90]

at least he is using just bad arguments about everything, thats for sure. usually this is scummy.
maybe if he explain more of his thoughts it will be clear he is town or not

[over90]

Your join date is two weeks ago and you sold it completely like a newbie for two pages and you're surprised I fell for it? Clearly you have not played with me before lol

so...?

[over90]

Kitty, have you seen nk15's vote? Is it not so stupid for a scum to vote like this? Im not sure. Looked rather genuine. But as I said earlier it is not bad decision to elim nk15 early because he can easily ruin late game even for a townie

[over90]

And what do you think about reactions of cakez, enchant, elsa after that? I see that elsa is town for you, ok

[over90]

how did Gamma give u town vibes?

good question

i'd like to see the posts of gamma with town vibes for u

[over90]

Not really any specific posts, it's a tonal read, if not a very strong one.

gamma? not elsa? strange

[over90]

ok, i guess i'll stop on cakez
i dont like his vote most of all
i have no strong opinion

[over90]

Clearly you have not played with me before lol

such weird explanation/defending of himself or what is it?

[over90]

cakez was sure that nero is town in the beginning, but i guess it is not easy to find nero as townie for sure so early (i played with him, he is a good player)... he says he cannot read italiano, so he has no opinion about him... he didnt want to vote nk15, he was happy about tako wagon, and the only scummy vote there was std for him (std is sure that cakez is scum)... then he votes dann, easy target, very easy... then vla till monday, then he says he will catch up the thread tomorrow... then voting over90 after stupid vote of nk15 with comment "obvious" (!!!), like i'm 100% mafia for him, and he wasn't joking, so he believes that i really mixed up this thread and mafia pt... it is hard to believe in that, this is some kind of newbie stuff... then again he is not reading until tomorrow, new tomorrow...
well, i have nothing in defense of cakez, and i have some suspicious moments in his actions...but i also has no strong evidence that he is scum.

if he is scum, i guess he is playing trying to pocket nk15 and nero, he supports stupid opinion of nk15

[over90]

i feel stupid, could you please tell me where nero claims? i cannot find it. it seems i missed that moment

[over90]

I bet I could v/la for the rest of the game and still be the top poster.

over90 129
Nero Cain 128 
ItalianoVD 126 
RCEnigma 52 


i wasnt even trying, imagine if i was trying

[over90]

i cannot find nero's claiming,im not so good in english or i skip too many posts of nero

[over90]

pr is bad, elim nero asap

where is the moment of your claim?

[over90]

sounds like a joke
well, i missed that
in that case bad claiming of elsa becomes a bit better (more understandable)
but ugh, i dont know
it is better to ignore all of that
they have no reasons to claim

[over90]

Both

[over90]

Though there were 4 votes on elsa

[over90]

elsa is gamma, VD is not gamma or Elsa. I was scum reading both VD and Gamma. Never was any traction on VD so I stopped vanity voting and started consolidating on Gamma/Elsa

ah, im confused, now i get it, sorry
i'm working, so i'm not focused

[over90]

wait, i've got it right first time. you have 2 scums, and you've claimed pr voting gamma, but you was talking about vd... well, doesnt matter, but he is right that you was using pr claim to elim anyone of them... i have no opinion is it scummy ir not (i guess it is just trash-time, jokes)

[over90]

we will hang all ppl who are not vt and we will win

We won't hang anybody! You maniac!

sorry

So what we are doing? I dont want to elim ppl who are rather active.
Cakez and some not active ppl are good targets... maybe i also dont want elim bosco, im not sure about her at all, too difficult

[over90]

elsa can be scum easily because she has zero search for mafia scums

[over90]

she prefers to talk about prs, about mechanics, about anything else, but she has zero susps, zero towns, bc she knows almost everything she needs. talking so much about prs is scummy thing by the way, this is a process of gathering reactions and searching for real prs. to kill em

[over90]

VOTE: elsa jay

[over90]

If I'm wrong, please smb tell me. I can be wrong.

[over90]

bosco, your second game will start in about an hour))

[over90]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

why? elsa jay is gamma, is it ok for you?
and what about nk15, any updates?

[over90]

The lurker comes back just to vote me because they see 4 votes on me. Wonderful.

now it is six

the lurker stops reading italiano the lurker is more interested in monitoring their votes

[over90]

VOTE: Is it really rational to scumread someone for having no reads when they replaced in very recently?she had enough time to make any opinion, but prefers to discuss smth else, mostly explaining herself + offtopic + pr claim

[over90]

tried to quote, wrong button

VOTE: elsa jay

[over90]

have you read the game?

I've read it.

Look at this, kitty
The moment of replacement yesterday

[over90]

Kitty, I don't like you defending of gamma/elsa very much

[over90]

your defending

[over90]

update you solid towns kitty
urgent

[over90]

Playing with NK15. over90 & maybe Gamma.

why? elsa jay is gamma, is it ok for you?

Gamma was strange. Y, normal.

Sounds bad, bosco

[over90]

it looks like you forgot, that gamma was one of three most townie persons here for you. and you absolutely have no explanation why things have changed for you.

VOTE: mq.bosco

[over90]

my vote is final for day1, i won't change it

[over90]

i have smth like that now, but it can be changed easily
mafia: bosco, elsa, cakez....
and suddenly probably towns: nk15, kitty, enchant, nero, italiano, enigma, std, titus...
or maybe im drunk
i had opinions about others but i almost forgot these people
potato and carca were ok at first, but then... eh...
i need to reread some people, or just READ...

yeah, i know that there are some logical problems, for example kitty protects elsa or nero is trying to elim italiano, etc... yeah... im thinking about it...

[over90]

okay...

[over90]

she is always lurking and i guess she plays in english first time in her life

[over90]

i'm alive. the day will be finished in 2 days 18 hours. we have some time. i will be here more attentive and active after about 12-15 hours from now.

i need to admit that this large game is quite difficult, im usually more sure in my opinion till the end of day1, and usually i have not much mistakes. maybe because of many replacements... i definitely need to reread everything and update my opinion, and it will be soon

i was playing other games today not here, i worked and it was quite a hard day, i go to sleep

[over90]

titus is not town for me now
maybe bosco is mafia, but i need time to reread the thread
VOTE: bosco

[over90]

i mean
UNVOTE: bosco

[over90]

i will be tomorrow i promise . im waiting till the end of other fast game, too much action there every calendar day.
this is good that we have some more time bc of replacement.

[over90]

If i have no time to reread, then i can be sheep the most active player Nero, just because he is so active (this is ok for day1). But i believe that tomorrow i will reread and make many useful notes, then i will update my opinion

[over90]

I think Im not against eliming bosco here. Im playing in three games with her rn and here she is more suspicious than anywhere, because she has too much sureness about sides of other players, and she almost dont care who to elim (the situation with voting her townie - elsa). With some kind of joking, absolutely not serious in this game... I dont believe her only in this game. Probably im wrong, thats why i need to think more about it. This her first game, i brought her here lol.
and i thought in the beginning that her post like "i'm alive" looks like she has no team; and she was out of the game for 3-4-5 days in row; this is not very responsable behaviour inside the scum team, it is strange; on the other hand shadd didnt replace her from the game, maybe because she is rather active in PT? He started prodding too late.
well, i know that these arguments are really trash, but you know now my thoughts regarding bosco here.

it is rather problematic to understand many other peoole (including elsa, for example). im rather scared to vote her after claiming.
can we find someone else? or i need time to reread everything... ugh...

[over90]

This her first game, i brought her here lol.

i mean this is also the reason why it is hard for me to elim her on day1, maybe you all should just ignore my opinion about her

[over90]

it is really hard to understand bosco, maybe we should check her or smth

maybe we shouldnt elim "not vts" on day 1

maybe if the game is difficult we should choose smb who's death is not very bad for us even if ge is townie

maybe we should randomly elim smb like NK15 ?
i firstly thought that it is impossible to behave like him being a scum, but maybe this is a tactic, and he is definitely not huge pr with such behaviour. So we lose nothing, eliming him. I have really bad feeling about him, even if ge is town

or maybe just dont kisten to me, before i read the thread

[over90]

not "ge" - he

[over90]

y r u scared to vote a claimed neighbor when it's just very very likely that there's scum in it?

i guess i missed some last pages and i haven't seen new info about claiming
i will read it later

[over90]

I guess you could argue a NK15 and mq.bosco team b/c I'm asking mq.bosco a question and he's answering for her.

So easy, yeah? He answered u about smth he said before, he didn't answered instead of me.
Yes, u're scummy. And Cakez!

The tone of this feels off but I may hate the grammar.

what does it mean "tone off"? Smb, please explain it to me

me and bosco are from russian forums; talking about grammar...

[over90]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.8 !

Elsa Jay (3):

Malakittens, mq.bosco, SirCakez

mq.bosco (3):

NashedPotato, over90, KittyTacky

over90 (2):

Not Known 15, Elsa Jay

Titus (2):

RCEnigma, Save The Dragons

SirCakez (1):

DeasVail

Save The Dragons (1):

ItalianoVD

Nero Cain (1):

Nero Cain

DeasVail (1):

Titus

not voting (2):

Enchant, Carcalilly

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to cause someone to be ever so slowly slowly locked up in their own house. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-06-05 13:31:22)

modorator notes

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VOTE: bosco

Also is Nero really voting himself?

and i wanted to ask you why too... because i feel that this is a strange vote from you...

[over90]

Why bosco?

Why not me?

Deadline frankly

i dont understand the reason

[over90]

I don't wanna lie and put people somewhere randomly. I can do something better tho if it helps the town. Mala doesn't wanna interact in it anyway.

I am in Masonry with MonkeyMan576, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

Oh yeah.

I am in Masonry with Anime, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

It's updated to me, Enchant, Mala, and Carca but we're all in a neighborhood and with 4 people in it it's a pretty easy assumption to assume there's scum in there somewhere. If Over is scum he knows that too and is already setting up my elim tomorrow for not being shot as a PR. I'm nothing but a neighbor.

Been reading the thread and the neighborhood I replaced in and of the 3 I think Enchant is probably the closest to confirmed town to me, while Carca is null and Mala is scummy and most likely to be the evil one.

That help?

LMAO, i didnt read it, because after my next post (893) i was barely reading the game, only sometimes and very randomly. that's why i need to reread. right now im not sure what to think about this claiming, im not pro in mechanics on this forum, but sounds like a joke, no?

[over90]

894

my vote is final for day1, i won't change it

[over90]

i was thinking only about weird vote of bosco there and i didnt read anything else

[over90]

well i guess i need to say that i have no any neighboorhood with elsa

does this make her a liar? or maybe i understand mechanics wrong?

[over90]

I dont understand, please help me, i only have vt roles on this forum....... so i dont look in normal roles deeply.

[over90]

with Elsa - NO.

[over90]

okay, with anyone - NO.

[over90]

was it so necessary to claim about it?

[over90]

usually not, smth like that rarely, for example i was modding the game, where townies could recruit other townies, but there was a risk to get a traitor (a maniac), and nobody knew there roles for sure, and they had a gun, that everybody should use one after another and they could lie about their results

[over90]

? Over do you know what a neighborhood is?

Friendly reminder it's me, Enchant, Mala and Carca in it. I trust Enchant the most. Mala replaces in and doesn't even bother to have ever typed into the hood. If we know for like 90% certainty 1 scum is in the neighborhood I just know it ain't me.

She also hasn't even talked to me about here or in the hood so I cantt say wecet tried talking it out.

i dont understand why are u talking about me and your neighboorhood? why do you voting me?

[over90]

i've looked here just for a minute from the mobile ready to sleep, started to read, but im exhausted and there is too much info for the past days, i cannot catch up so fast, see you tomorrow

[over90]

i thought you are talking that i am in your pt and thats why you are voting me. if it is not true i believe you about chat, because i trust enchant and carca a bit, but maybe im wrong or this is some kind of joke, idk

[over90]

okay dont elim elsa today
nero, lets find another target
they are really together, enchant claimed not vt earlier

and yeah, i believe that there can be scum, but elsa says about mala and i feel that she really tries to solve situation

but i dont understand it fully, i need to read, i go sleep

[over90]

I will answer to this tomorrow. please explain the meaning "tone off"

[over90]

There is, at most, 1 scum between Elsa, Enchant, Mala and Cara.

it is not big news and it is not very helpful honestly.

[over90]

if it is only 1

[over90]

so tone off is usually bad sign? like scummy thing? when smb says "his tone off" this is like scumreading?

[over90]

well in that case titus' vote to bosco is not so weird for me, as it was firstly

[over90]

i dont know about titus. some lurking i guess. i dont know this player, but smth tells me, that there should be more activity from titus, no?

[over90]

im thinking. i will going to search some kind of things through all isos after sleep(today later). usually it ends with my big post with many notes, but it takes some time. i definitely need to do that before the end of the day1

[over90]

who knows meta of titus pretty well? Is she townie here?

titus, who is an expert to find your side here? any old friend, with whom you are playing often?

i read your iso twice and this is 50/50 for me, and i feel that you are a good player

[over90]

or maybe meta is not appliable and you should be judged only according to logics/quality of content?

[over90]

ok nero might be a scum, i just dont want to elim him on day1 as a topposter.
i reread italiano, seems to be a townie, or more townie than many other people.

[over90]

nero, bring your townreads. i like the argument of italiano that scumnero has no townreads. you are the most active player here so you should have many townreads

[over90]

experience (the most active player is usually town)
but it can not work well with players like nero

btw, kitty, i think you should scumread std, what do you think?

[over90]

he reads the game more than anyone, he lives here, he knows people here, he must have strong opinions already, he must have townreads

rn im thinking to vote bosco again, but i need to finish other isos and make some conclusion (i have no idea right now about the whole picture, but i have some fresh notes)

[over90]

I am not really understand motivation of mods placing big hoods at all.

Are they just merciful enough to put this for "Well, ppls will assume maf must be here, so let's put it with maf". Like, aren't it will always turn in revealing hood almost instantly (due being borderline useless otherwise) and then bloodshred of whole before maf hitted.

I would random hoods if i was mod. Idk. I am against whole idea to lim in hood just for sake of that, but i am in minority here.

more interesting if there is no scums in 4-persons hood, is it possible? bc ppl are waiting that at least one of them is there

[over90]

please tell me is it possible to get in hood having also big pr role ? like a cop/roleblocker for example

[over90]

Enchant, please update your townlist or scumlist. Do you still think italiano is scum?

[over90]

hey people, please update your opinions right now - your scumreads and townreads, maybe only townreads, it would be very helpful! i will update mine too

[over90]

usually it is easier to find solid townies on day1