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[Nero Cain]

VOTE: gamma wagon is go!

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nice Halloween costume, T3

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half the game scumreads dann and/or con. Fire was wagoned earlier and several ppl have called you scum this game. If you want to argue that he's just trying to blend in with scum reading the popular wagons then fine I guess but his position seems hardly unique.

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wasn't obtuse enough

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If you've been paying attention to the convo the consensus is that he gets kinda mad and overreacts regardless. At least that was the interpretation I got...

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what is your calamity playthrough?

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can we just kill someone already? mon this game is a borefest

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2413 felt like a townie hip-reaction from gamma, though i had some issues with the slot before iirc, the vote with the disclaimer of possible reconsideration looks townie.

what are the votes at right now?

I had the opposite. Maybe it's just me tunneling and the way Gamma talks but to me it feels like it was unneeded to say "I may change this later" and town would just be like "oh hey I changed my mind"

[Nero Cain]

I think if the wagons are gamma/dann/con I'd vote in that oder

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There’s a bit of a reason why I said that in the vote post

wich is?

[Nero Cain]

I never told you about my Calamity playthrough

I still want to know what this is. Was it a game?

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Were you @ me for scum reading VP?

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you sure are active for someone watching fooball...

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tbh this looks so much like a scum hop onto the con wagon

ISO'd dann and conman

VOTE: conman

only thing that gives me slight pause is the vote onto VP but distancing?

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I mean, doubt VP was the lone scum on that wagon.

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the ari kill is WIFOM. Her reads aren't perfect obv and they weren't that far off from mine though my scum reads were mostly in her null pile.

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Who is scum reading Gamma?

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Why not have your username changed? Like I know they did it for offensive usernames but that shows they can. I mean maybe they don't want to open that can of worms but its worth an ask I think.

they=mods

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ummmm idk. I guess not though if you are town and your reads are bad then you are but that could be said for me or anyone.

I still think Gamma and Elephants slot is scummy. lol

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yeah, I've been doing no scum hunting. child, please

[Nero Cain]

I didn't think Ari would flip VT

thanks for letting us know why you shot her last night

[Nero Cain]

yeah, I've been doing no scum hunting. child, please

Saying "I think x slot and y slot are scummy" isnt scum hunting.

Why in the world would you think TOWN is randomly calling people scummy? + if you think that I'm doing nothing but calling people scummy without any reasoning then you clearly aren't reading.

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VOTE: tsq

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y?

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its d2.......and its been less than 24 hours...

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all my scumreads keep pushing each other...

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its d2.......and its been less than 24 hours...

I meant the football game my guy.

makes more sense. Diggs got me 22.20 fantasy points.

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all my scumreads keep pushing each other...

I’m not pushing anybody

prob why you are scum.

[Nero Cain]

all my scumreads keep pushing each other...

I’m not pushing anybody

although...you started off the game by pushing town (me) and then you pushed GL (town?) you wound up voting conman (town) the only other vote in between was on Gamma. Just in general I feel like your "scumhunting" has been very limited and safe.

your 3 scumreads yesterday were gamma, con, and marci. So why aren't you pushing Gamma or Mari?

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shea is pushing gamma

gamma is pushing marci

marci is/was pushing gamma

you were pushing gamma/marci

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What made you stop thinking Gamma was scum?

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marci but you can field it to if you want or you can have her answer first so she doesn't copy your test

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I'll do your SSS if you promise to do a full psych eval on me Frog.

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"Get angry easily" = 4

"Take charge" = 3

"Make people feel welcome" = 2

"Like music" = 4

"Like to tidy up" = 2

"Like to visit new places" = 4

"Feel comfortable around people" = 3

"Interested in many things" = 3

"Love order and regularity" = 3

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 3

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 3

"Cheer people up" = 3

"Lose my temper" = 4

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 5

"Enjoy thinking about things" = 3

"Cheat to get ahead" = 1

"Feel desperate" = 1

"Rarely overindulge" = 2

"Easily resist temptations" = 3

"Have a high opinion of myself" = 4

"Waste my time" = 4

"Need a push to get started" = 4

"Have little to contribute" = 1

"Keep my cool" = 4

"Avoid crowds" = 2

"Turn my back on others" = 1

[Nero Cain]

the order of the monkees

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i feel like i dont need to dogpile

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Deas could be, I guess.

I still think Shea and Gamma are scummy though. Marci is kinda ??? and isn't pushing Gamma anymore

[Nero Cain]

wolf/dog close enough for goverment work

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clearly Shea, in 200+ posts I have never ever once articulated why I find you or Gamma scummy. nope never. I'd ask you to stop misrepping me but then again it's just decent scumplay so have at it?

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All I've seen from you today is assertions and weak claim about scum on the wagon which seems more like confbias than a reasonable attempt at sorting me.

it's also just kinda common sense that a 11 player mislim wagon would have more than 1 scum slot on it. I may or may not go back and quote my posts talking about you and Gamma but if you missed them you either didn't read well or are lying about how much you read.

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he's already calling me town. He's basicly saying that we can't scum read him without cold concrete evidence.

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it's also just kinda common sense that a 11 player mislim wagon would have more than 1 scum slot on it.

ConManMick (11): Ydrasse,

Aristeia

, Irrelephant11, Ausuka, Datisi, scamper, Gamma Emerald, humaneatingmonkey, DeasVail,

VP Baltar, ConManMick

ok well maybe not. I mean I guess it's not impossible that 8 town did a bad but I just sort of highly doubt that.

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I mean, you don't need some big complex case to scum read and/or find scum.

elep whiteknighting skitter and putting down what I felt like was a scummy reasonless vote onto con is my case.

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so explain your relly read one more time please for monkeys hard of hearing

you are gonna look really bad for light defending him if he flips scum.

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reasoning != evidence. Please stop setting the straw men on fire, it upsets the children.

but it's not like I had no reasoning, you are either just flat out ignoring that I had any or didn't read it.

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we can fix that!

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tomorrow?

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?????

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Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

why so few scum reads?

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When do you come by these scum reads?

I know thats a weird question so let me rephrase.

How long have you thought each person on that list could be scum?

shouldn't you be asking him for reasons?

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my psych eval must be long and detailed

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That’s kinda meant to be a teamguess attempt
So I’m focusing on my leading suspects
A good number of the people in my distrust list I has earlier could qualify as scum suspects

but you suggested that there were 5 scum earlier so why is your team guess only 3? I know you'll point to your 3rd sentence but I still find it odd that your guess was only 3 hard reads and not 5. I'm not really sure why Dats and Frog weren't included in your guess or why relly leap frogged them.

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

You might make the argument that I'm misrepping you b/c your solve is 4, not 3 but you are also using the word maybe here which is ???

I distrust you Gamma.

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

[Nero Cain]

vip vote gamma pls

Let's lim GL first, then gamma.

actually, give me the TLDR gamma case. I'll consider.

On Gamma, I agree that my experience with him is much more emotion as town. My reservation there is that I had literally just called Gamma out about that right before the outburst, so seems like it could be fake.

I could see this. I would add the level of emotion actually feels kind of dead to me and given how much pressure they've been under at times, I feel like I'd expect more reactionary lashing out from a town!gamma.

there could be other Gamma stuff but I got tired of looking at VP's ISO. A post like 2328 always makes me think of the "vote town, bus buddy" strat. He calls him sorta scummy in his last two posts which you could maybe argue makes him less likely to be scum but I think its...null?

but I guess just ya know just ignore me again and lets vote out another inactive player b/c that worked so well yesterday.

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actually, let me change my vote to an inactive

VOTE: xofelf

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i mean, I don't really feel like Dann has really done alot either

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the point is that there will be no less than 4 scum so when you say this like "if it exists" "there might be" it makes it seem like you are trying to look uniformed and just sketch in general.

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ok Jake

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idk, I sorta liked Fire once he sorta started playing.

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is VP Beltar normally this laid back.
Something feels off about him

he calls out his buddy on p8 to distance?

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who is anti-town town? SS?

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redfire what are your reads rn?

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seems kinda rude to lock people inside the town

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I was thinking last night that HEM was town but I forgot why I thought that lol

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as far as me getting into arguments go. I don't want to say that ONLY town get into arguments b/c scum with a backbone is a thing but town ARE more likely to get bent out of shape over being misread. Obviously, Balter and I are got into it last game b/c we were misreading each other. Here, clearly he was scum and was avoiding that and most people other than maybe Gamma are not really arguing with it. It's a shitty point.

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and one of them (nero) has garbage reasoning like "relly white knighted an unflipped slot and that was bad????"

I get that you aren't going to agree that you are scum but your slot said that Skitter was town for an event that never even happened in this game. Only one person said anything about it and it got swept under the rug b/c you guys were too busy mislimming conman to care.

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the low tech version is to just go to New York and if the thread is highlighted then it means there are new posts

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I mean clearly, no scum have ever said that votes on their partner are bad.

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its a mistake that relly goes "oh hey skitter, u r town b/c ppl are scum reading you for your intro." but no one was scum reading her for her intro?

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and when I asked who was doing this he said "well they aren't doing it now!" and it just felt deflecty I guess

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Why in the fuck would town ever do that?

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but when I told him that no one did that he doubled down.

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don't mind me Scamper. I'm just old and cranky. I do feel like I've been ignored a bit and I'm kinda pissed at the con flip b/c I feel like a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals are trying to psychoanalyze everything and it let to a bad flip. I meed to eat foods that are lower in sodium b/c I'm just salty.

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but when I told him that no one did that he doubled down.

Again I ask you what is the scum motivation for lying about something so easily falsified?

to whit knight Skitter?

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no one would blink an eye

but not very many did and even now I'm getting "it was a mistake." which just seems ????

Wouldn't the obvious play from either side just be "oh you're right my b."

but he didn't do that. I guess this is the first time in history someone has been wrong and doubled down on it.

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but it's your slot so I really don't care about your opinion since you are biased. I highly doubt that scum has never doubled down.

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Would be nice if

scamper

and Dats could comment on wether or or not they think relly's town read of Skitter for a reason that didn't happen is a "mistake" as Ausuka and Shea believe or if that was scum.

scamper might agree with me but would be nice to hear from Dats about anything other than Ari

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like I just find the "it was a mistake" to be ??? and then when he was told/asked that no one was doing that he just doubles down with "oh but they stopped"

+

the really bad vote on conman

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i see you there YD. Who's a good wolfy? Yes, you are.

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as far as me getting into arguments go. I don't want to say that ONLY town get into arguments b/c scum with a backbone is a thing but town ARE more likely to get bent out of shape over being misread. Obviously, Balter and I are got into it last game b/c we were misreading each other. Here, clearly he was scum and was avoiding that and most people other than maybe Gamma are not really arguing with it. It's a shitty point.

Arguing with what?

@Nero I want this answered because idk what you're talking about but the specific name drop of me is a bit bothering

you are pushing back against me

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on what subject?

I am/was scum reading you and you have been pushing back

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Deas is off the table for me today

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Deas is off the table for me today

and the next step is why.

Come on, I KNOW you can do it.

considering that you ranted and raved that I didn't give reasoning for why I was scum reading your slot (despite actually doing so) I don't feel like I owe you an explanation for my thoughts.

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naw man, I gave my reasoning on day 1. You just didn't read it/willfully ignored it. I mean day 2 I did talk about how rellys vote on conman looks like a scum vote.

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???

If you were to flip green then its like 70% on me for misreading relly and 30% on him for not being accurate in thread. IDK, you were the one that claimed I never gave any reasoning for scumreading your slot, and then when I pointed out that I did you just said it was garbage. You were wrong and you can't admit it.

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oh no! I hope you find your way home

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i'm trying to get you to an actual good read on me

is she scum reading you?

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IDK what your dats read is. He was saying that he wants you to have a good read on him so...

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how dare I forget something from 300 posts ago!

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why did you feel betrayed that someone felt you were lurking?

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So you've been telling her that you were playing video games?

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I still think Dann could be scum.

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not that I really give a shit but I believe I was the first to actually push Gamma for being active lurk and seemingly not doing much.

my biggest worry is that Shea is scum and sees Gamma as a viable push

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I still think Dann could be scum.

nero can i be reminded who are them scumfucks to you

how DARE you not remember my d1 readslist. Go ISO me.

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though on a more serious note I would like start consolidating or something b/c it's already 70 pages although I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we hit another 70. At least the deadline isn't frozen.

You mentioned Dease, VP, who all are you looking at?

Irrelephant11
gamma
marci

My reads list was in 2081

but if I edit it we got


Ausuka-I'm worried about a thing or two but can be town for now
Gamma Emerald-scummy
Dannflor-maybe a lilttle scummy
VP Baltar-kinda scummy
marcistar-a lil scummy
Irrelephant11-scum
Frogsterking-town? I have a small worry that Dunn just noped out of the game after I tunneled him in our last game but maybe you could say that's null.
DeasVail-scummy

The flips don't really change much for me and I don't see why they would? I'm a little more @ frog today for town reading VP and I'm not a big fan of Ausuka claiming that relly made a "mistake" and just handwaving it away. I agree that Deas is worriesome but there's something that makes me think he's less likely to be a VP buddy. If it's really a big deal I can talk about it but for now I'm fine sitting on my feelings. Maybe if by day 5 if he's still being a lurksack we should policy him.

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I am utterly offended that someone wouldn't know about my reads when I've been roughly pushing the same players for a while now.

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I can't say that I like either of those but Marci's song is way better than whatever Shea posted

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I don't think disliking a song that you like is being an asshole to you.

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what do you think of DV and VP calling me out for calling out XO's lack of early content?

xofelf maybe bothers me a lil' b/c its all fluff and no content. I very vaugely remember playing with them before and scum reading them for similar reasoning. So maybe it's more of a NAI thing.

i agree with this read since og i was gonna come in and call soft elf scummy but it does seem pretty playstyle thing.

That quote is one of my issues with Nero. It's very wishy-washy and seems to be ignoring a very obvious next-step that could be used to determine whether that is AI for xofelf or not.

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

I'm guessing it's TvT

sounds like you were calling VP town here

[Nero Cain]

don't cry marci

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VOTE: tsq

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do you have a reads list?

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i literally have no clue what that means

she was saying that she was in a similar situation (supposedly she had no read on a play) and it turned out poorly.

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marci, is there a reason you aren't answering any of my questions?

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Do you have a reads list.

why did you stop pushing gamma?

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I'm p sure Hem was a semi-popular scum read d1

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self meta is best meta

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clearly its a mistake. Scum Marci wouldn't lie about a thing like that.

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bring it and all your sheep

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she has super sheep

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hi it's me, the bolded

hi bolded

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I'll make a bigger post later but I still think that TSQ is scum. Of the wagons Marci is fine but I would maybe compromise on SS if I had to. The only other wagon I'd be interested in is Gamma.

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i was starting to think dv might not be town but i kinda agree with almost all of his readlist

what do you disagree with?

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Why do you lean town on shea?

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I still think the kill is WIFOM and the "omg Ari is dead so her reads must have been AMAZING!" is exactly what scum were going for but maybe I'm just wrong and they were good.

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but even if firepup was scum thats only 50%-40ish% of the scum team so...

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if I was scum I don't think I'd be frightened of her. Its more an issue of people thinking she's Mith's gift to mafia and her getting sheeps.

that said SS you should start doing things.

[Nero Cain]

red pms are no laughing matter

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I don't think I really agree with that. VP votes con instead of Dann and then argues with GL. I mean maybe if Marci flips scum but I'm not sure if I agree that lack of Dann vote/basic ISO on him=town Dann

[Nero Cain]

I think Fire is my long lost twin

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that damn Ari and a 100% read rate!

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Why am I town, dats?

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suka, even if Dats was scum there are still at least 2 more. Tell me who they are pls.

[Nero Cain]

I think NKA is very hit or

miss

. If you want to make the argument that Ari is better than the rest of us and therefore has better reads then fine I guess, although I don't think that's necessarily true.

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you aren't stupid, you were just tunneled

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that said SS you should start doing things.

I'm willing. Any recommendations?

I am pretty busy today. Unsure about tomorrow.

do some isos. relly+tsq, marci, gamma

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do you think that is similar to

hey vp. could you do gamma and the irrelevant elephant pls?

I can't right now, but I will try to get to them next time I have some time at a computer to play mafia. Elephant has been on my list before all the replacements, but they felt more urgent because of the wagons.

?

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I don't think I'll ever get over relly white knighting Skitter. I took umbrage with the idea that it was a "mistake" and not a "lie" but I guess they are just kinda one in the same? Like I could easily see a scum relly half paying attention to the game and think she was being attacked over her opening and went "hrmmm, I know she's town so I'll use that as a reason to town read her. What a foolproof plan!"

Where the "lie" comes in is when he doubles down and says "oh but they stopped!"

although I just don't see what's so impossible about relly just randomly making up shit to push his TMI read. I mean, I do get the "he wouldn't do that b/c he risks being called on it." despite no one calling him out on it.

It was my rallying cry for why I thought relly was scum so I was less than happy that tsq was misrepping me and saying that I had never given any reasoning. OFC it's his slot so there's a bit of a conflict of interest. I think this calls into question his d2 opening wall and how much he really read and how edited and selective it may have been. What a nice segue.



It was clearly written overnight so you could maybe make the argument that he wasn't worried about getting killed (b/c scum pt) There's some possible scum motivation in wanting to come in with a substantial opening b/c its easier to be townread that way,

in a way it reminded me of a game that recently finished that i was spectating (some of you will know what im talking about), where a player replaced in d2 after a d1 where town had really successfully blocked up and created a good poe. and then this player kinda tore all of that apart in a hunt for a deepwolf, pushing against town consensus reads, and eventually resulting in a loss

I don't think this is a good reason to town read him.

I also lowkey feel/felt like his scumreads (obscure, gamma, and SS) all seem like they;d be relativly EZ pushes but thats just a nitpick

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dats you were supposed to talk to me and tell me why you town read me!

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not really, lol. I'm just bored and being ignored so I wanted someone to talk about me.

[Nero Cain]

ISO'd dann and conman

VOTE: conman

also thought this seemed just super scummy

like I said before my only pause is the vote on VP but I guess its not impossible that he just distances himself from him.

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what are you confident about, Gamma?

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i have a new read that may or may not be insane: there is 1-2 scum in {dann, fireisredsir}

ok because nobody wants to play along:

vp has a meta of pushing competing wagons as town. i think fireisredsir is one of the first people that noted it back in ktane.

vp was obviously not mimicking that meta here, with dann/conman. question is why

one possibility is that dann is scum, which sure, i guess explains that. but if dann/con are t/t, why wouldn't vp baltar push for that and mimick his town meta, while knowing fire (who is keenly aware of that) is in the game?

(yes ik this goes against my earlier theory of dann being town and it's not something i'm ~super~ confident in, but food for thought?)

thought food is best food

at the risk of being an asshole b/c ya know, opinions are the sign of an asshole. I don't feel like it was that much of a hot take b/c Dann was under p heavy suspicion upon replacing in and then sorta lurked it out. Came back day 2 and was kinda ATEy. I don't really remember refdire talking about VP doing the duel wagons thing. I think you could certainly read it as VP not wanting a wagon on Dann in case it were to go over Con.

If she didn't call that out then its pretty suspicious but I've been town reading her on ~vibez~

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I think I'll buy that @ fire

[Nero Cain]

it's possible. I'm not an emotionless robot.

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hey Deas, why did you vote frog instead of your other scum reads that we getting wagoned like SS and Marci?

[Nero Cain]

watch Deas be a traitor or sk :/

[Nero Cain]

who should i iso

me

[Nero Cain]

I like 3535 from GL but I don't like Gamma being so high. Sorta think xo is town but a vig or a policy lim might be ok there b/c I don't really want someone thats barely playing and won't even vote to be around in critical times like end game.

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we are mass claiming go!

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would have been better if dats didn't get in my way.

DAMN YOU DATSI!

[Nero Cain]

must not drink often

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I agree that obscure doesn't seem as townie b/c he's behind/lurking but I still think Skitter was town and I'm not that sold that FB/SS is scum.

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I mean, I could be wrong but I started liking FB when his posting became a little less trolly.

After I looked at it I wasn't sure if his iso matched his ISO from Infernal Affairs

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88949

but I am not Mith tiered so I'm prob just wrong, right?

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It's fine guy. We are all going to have different opinions. I mean you could be right and I could be wrong. Who knows.

do you not like our current set of wagons? (SS is already a wagon though)

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lo siento

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that was actually @ scamper who said "i'm just trying to find a wagon i want that other people might vote..." my first reaction was "???? SS/FB is already a thing. ???"

On second thought it's prob not that confusing or scummy b/c he's just hard pushing a SS wagon which is pretty null. I think the wording is maybe a little funky and if there's scum in marci/tsq he looks not great for pushing not them if SS is a mislim but eh...

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idk who scamper is but I'm not really scum reading him. I might subliminally be a lil' worried that he's pocketing me. I don't think my stance toward him wrt 3591 is anything unusual.

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in fairness, he's sad and tired but I'm not the biggest fan of his reaction posting tonight

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I dont give a crap what you think. Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to this game is you being wrong and rationalizing it to yourself.

yep, it's all my fault. Your posting has been the epitome of townie play and we all pale in comparison to your grandeur, oh mighty one. Relly was so town and I am such a fucking moron for thinking he's scummy. All these mindless drones following me around like I'm the pied piper.

but your posts talking about us having the courtesy to lim you before morning and you want to be limmed so you can re"retire" are just offputting.

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what makes you think anyone is talking to you?

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if u think its scum then vote there?

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you weren't here in 2006?

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are you someones alt?

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i mean, you can push YD if you want.

[Nero Cain]

there's a small part of me that thinks that Shea could just be town b/c I kinda feel like his ad hommy retorts to me are the sort of mentality that comes from town being misread and we should just be doing something else like voting out Dann.

I think it's plausible that Ari scum reads both Dann and VP and they fear kill her. And I liked her thing about not pushing dual wagons like he normally does although I don't really remember him pushing for dual wagons in our last game.

I always get worried when someone is so heavily pushing to "leave X alone" and it just looks like TMI to me.

I know I'm repeating myself here but I still think Relly was really scummy and I don't like Shea claiming that I had never given a reason for scum reading relly. I mean, yes scum do flip flop on their reads but redfire's switch seems plausible and I don't like how Shea presented it.

[Nero Cain]

While I feel like this is the main reason people are scum reading Shea

its not

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I and most people liked obscure entrance into the game but he's fallen way way way down b/c he's just kinda active lurking.

don't understand the xolfef townreads

i feel like 267 is a bit premature tho

I think these are kinda scummy b/c I think scum sorta tries to poo poo ppl that are highly town read

i kinda like his approach to sorting nero

and I didn't like this b/c I don't think Ari or FB were actually trying to sort me.

I was going to say that I could see a narrative where Skitter just takes her town read and is happy with it but this post sorta makes me doubt that

I'm getting good vibes from relly but not up to calling him a tr just yet

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makes me think Skitter/VP aren't a thing though

[Nero Cain]

in fairness, SS said he's busy and while its been a hot minute since I played with him...him not doing things seems about my memory of him.

[Nero Cain]

there’s an unusual amount of resistance to changing the game state it feels like

I don't know if I really agree with this. Its been roughly the same people posting while the bottom half aren't doing anything.

Something_Smart (4): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, Ydrasse
Thestatusquo (3): Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain, fireisredsir
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Datisi
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Datisi (2): humaneatingmonkey, Ausuka
DeasVail (1): obscure
Frogsterking (1): DeasVail

Not voting (3): Something_Smart, marcistar, xofelf

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka prob isn't voting dats still but I didn't feel like looking up where it is

HEM is prob just busy and that's NAI, Deas and SS are also both claiming they are busy. Xo elf? eh

Even if you argue that marci and obscure are scum that's only 3 and and I don't think 2 votes are going to have a big as impact as Dann is trying to claim.

[Nero Cain]

I've been trying to do stuff >.>

your presence in this game is enough. Also its not like I'm scumreading you or fussing @ you

[Nero Cain]

sure, I agree that way too many people are being useless with their votes but I disagree with your stance that their lack of voting is why there's "resistance" to changing the game state.

Lean town I guess???

GuiltyLion
Frogster
Ydrasse

DV

Any of those could be wrong

Ahhhhhhhhhh
marcistar
xofelf
Something_Smart Firebringer*

Gamma Emerald

Idk if i’ll ever be able to have reads here but I will try. Probably the most important slots to accurately sort

I feel not like shit voting here
Obscure

I don't really like that a significant portion of your "scum reads" are do nothing lurkers

[Nero Cain]

SS JUST replaced in and is saying they are busy. I think that's understandable.

DV has also claimed he was busy.

xo has been doing nothing since the start of the game and it's supposedly their playstyle so I don't see why that's a big deal.

sure, marci can die. Marci is actually active and around and being useless which is significantly scummier than garden variety lurksacks.

if you want to argue that Obscure is active lurking scum then sure maybe but in general I don't agree with you or think its representative of the gamestate b/c half these players just aren't around.

[Nero Cain]

watch it be like a dann/marci/gamma/tsq scum team

[Nero Cain]

what do you think of switching gears and killing Dann in case he was TMIing TSQ?

[Nero Cain]

there are way too many people being useless with their votes.

way too many people are being useless with their votes

[Nero Cain]

sorry i'm not exactly sober rn, what do you mean

shouldn't tsq die first for that anyway

Shea really feels like an example of everyone getting distracted by the bright, shiny, loud townie who isn’t afraid of saying stuff that can very obviously come off as off-putting or offensive or outrageous instead of focusing on the scum sitting on the sidelines

I think people need to stop focusing on shea

Shea wagon is bad

Is this scum that knows shea is town?

[Nero Cain]

but i think its better than SS and shea so like

would you join a dann wagon?

[Nero Cain]

different how?

[Nero Cain]

how do you know that he's town and town reading him?

it was also a question and not a right out accusation but its something that I think could be a possibility. Also I'm just sorta tunneled. Part of me doesn't get it though, like there was an argument being made that Ari was killed b/c her readlist was super fucking awesome and that was used to push SS but that doesn't apply to Dann?

+ I feel like Dann is just kinda handwaving things away. No one is pushing him b/c he's rude and loud or whatever Damm said. ppl have actual concerns and he's just like "nah"

[Nero Cain]

I think a reads square would be better

[Nero Cain]

ugh

[Nero Cain]

I want to think of a funky reads thing but I'm lazy

reads ball/circle. You in the center and yours reads spreading outward. The farther away from the center are scum reads.

[Nero Cain]

why are you not voting, marci?

[Nero Cain]

in theory, you vote Deas since he's your top scum read. If you had to choose between SS and TSQ then you'd vote SS b/c he's lower on your list. I just think being useless with your vote is scummy and/or dumb.

[Nero Cain]

bad

[Nero Cain]

if ppl think YD is scummy then run her up? Even if you say ok, lets wait a few days and see if they get nked. but if they are scum you'll have to vote it eventually. Everyone seems so passive.

[Nero Cain]

how can you be such an obvious wolf? that takes talent

[Nero Cain]

Something_Smart (4): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, Ydrasse

is the SS wagon i think - your vote

[Nero Cain]

game has a high concentration of too many people making too much noise which leaves a bunch of people doing very little

I don't really agree with this. I think that this game has maybe gotten a little bloated but it feels like most posts are scumhunting. And even if that were so I don't think thats the reason our inactives are being inactive. It's hard to argue that Obscure isn't lurking scum but thats also why lurkers make for EZ scum pushes.

I know I'm dominating the thread but at least the prevailing voice is a town voice.

wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once

I am having a hard time parsing this post. But if it's implying that VPB is bussing Datisi then I think it's +town for Shea?

I think its a joke b/c if he thought that VP is bussing Dats then the correct vote would be the busser, not the busee. But if you wanted a more serious explanation I think you

could

read it as relly knowing that VP was scum or is that crazy?

not too long after this, he put out a quasi reads list and VP was on the town side of things. He did vote VP further down the line before going back to Datsi and sitting on con until he died.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: dann

[Nero Cain]

I still think the Relly/TSQ is a super scummy slot

it's hard to argue that obscure is just lurk scum b/c it does look that way

SS not doing anything on replace in is mildly scummy but also sort of ridiculous in a way b/c...he JUST replaced in.

I can't prove that SS or obscure are town but I think if half the thread thinks YSQ is scummy and the other half thinks that SS is scummy its better to vote there and solve. I think Dann is scum thats all like "hey, lemme push this rando lurker!" we flip random lurker and then we go back to fighting over who is scum between SS and TSQ.

So I sorta think they are all town and scum is like Dann and Scamper and like Gamma? but I can't prove anything and I'm sick of all these motherfucking lurksacks in this motherfucking game. I'd hammer all 3 of those.

ok back to ignoring me

[Nero Cain]

Ahhhhhhhhhh
marcistar
xofelf
Something_Smart Firebringer*
Gamma Emerald

Idk if i’ll ever be able to have reads here but I will try. Probably the most important slots to accurately sort

I feel not like shit voting here
Obscure

also, Dann has SS pretty low on his list so his resistance to that wagon just makes very little sense to me and the "I have one person that I want to flip today." just seems scummy b/c that's not the way town thinks.

[Nero Cain]

how many problems do you have?

[Nero Cain]

oh spicy

[Nero Cain]

I get that I just called Dann scum but why is he suddenly popular?

[Nero Cain]

obscure, what are your reads and who do you want dead?

[Nero Cain]

look there's nothing clearing about the interactions between baltar and skitter/obscure (which is another ???? take from nero) because there really aren't any

*shrugz*

looking back, I had thought that Skitter was scumreading GL for the scamper vote and VP was "oh but what about MY vote?!" I guess it's not exactly that but still, VP popping in made me question whether they are aligned.

If no one agrees then fine? I think that's part of the spirit of the game where the town riffs off what one another thinks and talks it out.

I've said that I think if people want to argue that Obscure is just lurkscum it's hard to argue b/c he mostly looks the part. I said I'd hammer.

[Nero Cain]

but i think scum is way more likely to have a "clean" progression on a vote like that and be concerned with optics where town is going to be more careless

Are you and Dann the same people?

[Nero Cain]

scum famously don't care about the consistency of their posts and trajectories

but i think scum is way more likely to have a "clean" progression on a vote like that and be concerned with optics where town is going to be more careless

just found it funny

[Nero Cain]

why do i keep having too many townreads

i hate it here

this game is hard b/c most of us are human beings and its human nature to want to go after LHF and do whats EZ. and in a lot of scum are mostly LHF but this game prob contains scum with a backbone and a thread presence.

or you are just scum, idk

also, reminder that gamma isn't doing anything

[Nero Cain]

enchanted xofelf is their hydra

[Nero Cain]

also, if that "reveal" is fake, enchant's scum points just went up

I assumed he was just trolling around but why would his scum points go up if fake?

[Nero Cain]

eh, maybe

[Nero Cain]

I had sort of felt like xo was town b/c both Deas and VP called out my call out of XO and my feeling was that this made both XO and Deas maybe not scum. I guess you could argue that VP was defending a buddy there.

[Nero Cain]

like HEM has a thread pressence. lol it feels like half of his posts are "who should I vote?" "who can catch me up"

[Nero Cain]

everyone but me is scum.

[Nero Cain]

Hem prob has 4 or 5. Like he'd get 8 votes in the span of an hour

[Nero Cain]

also, reminder that gamma isn't doing anything

Still can't help but notice that gamma is nowhere to be found.

hive mind activate!