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[Dannflor]

@thestatusquo I am a new player. I'm not asking to be seen as townie for it as I do have experience with social deduction games but I would prefer if you respect the fact that I am new regardless because... what you're saying is coming across as quite offensive when I'm only trying to figure things out. Maybe I seem dumb but subbing into a game for the first time in so many pages as my first game ever isn't exactly easy.

More thoughts tomorrow.

mmmmm over under on the sincerity here?

[Thestatusquo]

oh nero already did vote me. I just remembered that I called it lame. Anyway, gamma questions plox.

[Gamma Emerald]

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

When do you come by these scum reads?

I know thats a weird question so let me rephrase.

How long have you thought each person on that list could be scum?

I only came to full-on scumread Marci recently
You’re also recent (altho I think you replaced Relly so the recency may change based on that, I thought Relly was sus as well late into D1)
I thought skitter was scummy and also think you have good points against obscure
HEM has been in my scumreads for a while

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

why so few scum reads?

That’s kinda meant to be a teamguess attempt
So I’m focusing on my leading suspects
A good number of the people in my distrust list I has earlier could qualify as scum suspects

[Thestatusquo]

Did you push any of these yesterday is I guess the point I'm driving at? I don't recall you doing so but I did skim the end of the day pretty aggressively.

[Gamma Emerald]

You also missed a key part of my question, which I'd still like you to answer

@gamma

I’ll get into the other reads later but for Marci specifically I think according to her own self-meta, she’s playing as I’d predict she would as scum. Her rudeness (she self-describes her play as sometimes rude so I don’t feel there’s a problem saying this) in parts feels a fair bit off-kilter.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you push any of these yesterday is I guess the point I'm driving at? I don't recall you doing so but I did skim the end of the day pretty aggressively.

I believe I pushed HEM some, skitter less so but maybe a tiny bit

[Thestatusquo]

Did you care about who got flipped d1?

I guess a better question is, do you usually care as town who is flipped d1?

Because thats what I'm struggling with here. It seems like you didnt care who was flipped at all.

Like maybe you expressed some suspicion of HEM or skitter somewhere, but I didn't see a lot of evidence that you had any meaningful investment in getting them yeeted.

[Thestatusquo]

And now your scum team which you've now explicitly said was a team guess includes me and a person who basically no one had expressed any suspicion of until I brought it up in a game where the wolves just lost a member on N1.

Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense to me either.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did you care about who got flipped d1?

I guess a better question is, do you usually care as town who is flipped d1?

Because thats what I'm struggling with here. It seems like you didnt care who was flipped at all.

Like maybe you expressed some suspicion of HEM or skitter somewhere, but I didn't see a lot of evidence that you had any meaningful investment in getting them yeeted.

I didn’t really care, actually. And I think if that surprises you to see me act this way then either you weren’t paying attention to my D1 gameplay in TM 2021, or you’re overlooking it for what I have to presume are nefarious reasons.

[Thestatusquo]

ugh. you're going to make me go reread that nightmare of a game arent you.

:/

[Gamma Emerald]

And now your scum team which you've now explicitly said was a team guess includes me and a person who basically no one had expressed any suspicion of until I brought it up in a game where the wolves just lost a member on N1.

Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense to me either.

What the hell are you talking about?

You do realize

I said “one of”, right?

[Thestatusquo]

nope, I missed that word. Genuine apologies. Point completely rescinded.

[Frogsterking]

And now your scum team which you've now explicitly said was a team guess includes me and a person who basically no one had expressed any suspicion of until I brought it up in a game where the wolves just lost a member on N1.

Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense to me either.

[Nero Cain]

my psych eval must be long and detailed

[Nero Cain]

That’s kinda meant to be a teamguess attempt
So I’m focusing on my leading suspects
A good number of the people in my distrust list I has earlier could qualify as scum suspects

but you suggested that there were 5 scum earlier so why is your team guess only 3? I know you'll point to your 3rd sentence but I still find it odd that your guess was only 3 hard reads and not 5. I'm not really sure why Dats and Frog weren't included in your guess or why relly leap frogged them.

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

You might make the argument that I'm misrepping you b/c your solve is 4, not 3 but you are also using the word maybe here which is ???

I distrust you Gamma.

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

[Thestatusquo]

Ok I actually did the thing and briefly skimmed gammas iso in white flag which is the team mafia game she is referring to.

(viewtopic.php?t=74687&f=127&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go) for anyone wondering.

And I have to say...I find your day one play there completely different in a lot of different ways. And the most obvious one is that you DO seem invested in finding scum and flipping someone you're suspicious of. You DO seem invested in engaging with people about their reads. You DO feel like you're trying to scum hunt.

Now, its a team mafia game so everyone amps up their tryhard a little bit for those games so I don't think its like definitive or anything, but its the game YOU brought up as the one where I should remember as you playing like you're playing here as town is normal.

And its simply not. It's not remotely the same. It's not even close.

[Thestatusquo]

I went to TM 21 first but we didnt play together in that game so I assumed you meant 2018 where we did play together.

[Nero Cain]

vip vote gamma pls

Let's lim GL first, then gamma.

actually, give me the TLDR gamma case. I'll consider.

On Gamma, I agree that my experience with him is much more emotion as town. My reservation there is that I had literally just called Gamma out about that right before the outburst, so seems like it could be fake.

I could see this. I would add the level of emotion actually feels kind of dead to me and given how much pressure they've been under at times, I feel like I'd expect more reactionary lashing out from a town!gamma.

there could be other Gamma stuff but I got tired of looking at VP's ISO. A post like 2328 always makes me think of the "vote town, bus buddy" strat. He calls him sorta scummy in his last two posts which you could maybe argue makes him less likely to be scum but I think its...null?

but I guess just ya know just ignore me again and lets vote out another inactive player b/c that worked so well yesterday.

[Nero Cain]

actually, let me change my vote to an inactive

VOTE: xofelf

[Something_Smart]

A post like 2328 always makes me think of the "vote town, bus buddy" strat.

My intuition is that an experienced player like VPB would be aware of this trope and wouldn't be inclined to go for it as a direct response to being told to vote a buddy.

Then again, if he wasn't set up to townread buddy-Gamma and he felt it wasn't strategically sound to bus there, I'm not sure what else he could have done.

[Thestatusquo]

I skimmed among us where I modded you too and you are extremely invested in that game day one as well but not really in the sense that you're trying to find scum, although I still see way more prods at people than I see here, but that game you were heavily invested in a mech solve component so I don't think its a really good case study, just wanted to say I looked at it too for completeness.

[Something_Smart]

And I think the subsequent stuff is also not a trajectory I would expect if Gamma were a buddy. I think he'd be more likely to already have a stance on Gamma in mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I actually did the thing and briefly skimmed gammas iso in white flag which is the team mafia game she is referring to.

(viewtopic.php?t=74687&f=127&st=0&sk=t&s ... er_sort=Go) for anyone wondering.

And I have to say...I find your day one play there completely different in a lot of different ways. And the most obvious one is that you DO seem invested in finding scum and flipping someone you're suspicious of. You DO seem invested in engaging with people about their reads. You DO feel like you're trying to scum hunt.

Now, its a team mafia game so everyone amps up their tryhard a little bit for those games so I don't think its like definitive or anything, but its the game YOU brought up as the one where I should remember as you playing like you're playing here as town is normal.

And its simply not. It's not remotely the same. It's not even close.

No, wrong. I specifically said TM 2021. You were in that one, though not in my game, but know FOR A FACT you were there!

[Thestatusquo]

Yeah but I don't know why you would think that would give me a special knowledge of you? I don't remember paying THAT much attention to my teams other games though I was skimming them.

[Ausuka]

Hi um I'm tired so I'm not going to do anything useful sorry

1) baltar owned

2) I voted Marci because I was pissed basically and really did not feel like engaging in that moment

3) I feel like you've brought this up multiple times and no one has explained this but @TSQ dannflor being a deepwolf is just a meme. The real reason people called him scum is because his predecessor did nothing and his posts were unimpressive