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VCA! VCA! VCA!

Ooh yippie

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Looked at dead list. Is Ydrasse mason known?

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Looked at dead list. Is Ydrasse mason known?

that'd be me and scamper

also, csf is conftown due to being a vig

Don't punk me.

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I believe she assumes you are trolling (see: punking) her

Yes.

Dan, is Datisi telling the truth?

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yes, datisi, scamper, and Cat Scratch Fever are all conf-town

I am not conf-town though I was punking you

Can you cite the claim posts?

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I still think this is bullshit somewhere so I need to do VCA four fucking times.

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Well there's actually a multitude, but I doubt any beyond one would lie.

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I still think this is bullshit somewhere so I need to do VCA four fucking times.

I'm pretty sure this is just a solved game. Is there any VCA related reason to doubt Menalque + fire?

Haven't done it yet.

Did Nero claim?

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I still think this is bullshit somewhere so I need to do VCA four fucking times.

i'm claiming mason in 7692

scamper also claimed mason in the post dann quoted

ydrasse was continuously townreading both of us throughout the game

i have an extremely specific crumb from back in day one

and csf is the only one claiming the extra vig kill

like no offense but what the fuck are you talking about

Like no offense but think

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Either a) I think one of you is faking to protect the other or b) I am an even night vig

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i feel like if you are an even night vig, it's probably better to make that explicit and then just shoot csf and have her shoot you tonight to resolve that mess

If this was true, normally I'd shut up and not give CSF the option to shoot me, but I'd have to lie in my VCA.

Unconfirmed masons might be dqueezable into one analysis.

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sorry if my earlier posts were harsh, titus, i disagree with you but i shouldn't have been mean

we're not unconfirmed though, nobody cc'ed us >_>

A solo mason would be a named townie

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K

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I wanna talk to CSF.

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Also I spaced out here. Is there actually a vig counter claim happening right now?

Left deliberately ambiguous.

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Gut eyeball D1

Shea, Dann, CSF

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Three town

Why?

Who is scum?

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Frogster, probably Menalque, maybe GL or DV idk i havent had the motivation to reread those two slots yet.

Unless you are hard claiming something I am going to treat CSF as conf town, but given that Nero never said anything I doubt you actually have anything in that regard.

Why would anyone hard cc unless forced?

Also why is Shea town?

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i really wish titus would actually claim properly because i am big tired

enchant also feels more like a shot nero would make

If you are both conftown and csf, it's literally the worst move to make despite that frustrating you.

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*csf scum

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if csf is occupying a mafia slot that has been allowed to ride for 3 game days off a vig claim i will blow a gasket


if you are just pulling some weird shenanigans as a replacement i will be mildly annoyed

Ask Datisi in your PT if that's something I would do as town. Discuss

why

a soft claim of CSF lying might work better.

P.S. I am not an automechanic but I can order a gasket. Make and model?

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anyway i guess there is not a *ton* of point in discussing it further, if u are actually a vig then csf should be shot without question. it does kind of mess up potential worldviews that have been developed


ironically this *still* would mean frog is very suspect in my eyes based on stuff wrt hem

It would.

Can you elaborate on Frog?

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I wonder if Titus is vig neighbor with CSF, and Nero and HEM pulled a thing where HEM claimed Nero's vig shot, but now with Masons outed Titus is thinking her neighbor is probably scum

Scum vig, in any circumstance, is verboten in normals.

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DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor
humaneatingmonkey (2): Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo (1): humaneatingmonkey
fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Morning Tweet (1): DeasVail
Not voting (1): Something_Smart
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00). With 17 alive it takes 9 to eliminate.

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I think I can go for a Menalque + CSF team if we can townread DV based on the end of day where Morning got flipped.

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Also CSF has like no substantive Enchant mentions.

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We need CSF here to double down on his claim and put out his reads list.

If CSF doubles down, we let bullets do the talking and eliminate Menalque.

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Ausuka
Dannflor
Menalque
fireisredsir
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Datisi
Thestatusquo
Frogsterking
scamper
GuiltyLion
DeasVail
Cat Scratch Fever

if you are referring to this fire

Nero clarified that his reads list was reversed lol

Nero was likely playing dumbass to survive lol. His reads are horrible.

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Menalque, Shea, CSF is my final answer.

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CSF, readslist?

VOTE: CSF

I think for obvious reasons, I'm not outing precisely how I knew csf was lying

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Mena or shea after csf

And if that fails Dann

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did i mention im throwing myself into a screaming void

you won't be alone dw

ooo me too i want to join

Bel'Veth's recycling powers activate.

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Mena or shea after csf

And if that fails Dann

Was there anything about the VCA that was significant to you when making your assessment?

Mena yes. The D1 wagons.

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I have not been following this game that much, the crash kind of knocked me out of rhythm.

Why am I scum this time?

Because my sick brain says so.

What's the last thing you remember?

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I have not been following this game that much, the crash kind of knocked me out of rhythm.

Why am I scum this time?

Because my sick brain says so.

What's the last thing you remember?

Me asking you if you were counter claiming CSF.

I meant with your reads.

I think Menal is the best vca flip just eueballing. Haven't actually fully done it.

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CSF faked his vig claim.

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CSF faked his vig claim.

her

CSF faked her claim.

Titus bungled pronouns again.

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CSF claimed not actually a vig

there has been some suspicion on you because you forgot that before and I feel like it's more likely for a scum partner to forget her claim than a townie to forget that

Titus has softed that she is actually the vig

I felt like your reaction to seeing votes on CSF on the previous page would've been different but maybe you just didn't see that at all

The vig or some other method of knowing CSF didn’t shoot Enchant.

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Can you like... Stop?

But we want to pawfect the joke to make it purrfect.

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Well okay i guess the bit is up.

I'm not actually a vig, I'm just vt. I saw that hem claimed some sort of vig and just decided to roll with it, thinking i would die sooner rather than later with a claim like that

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I mean titus shooting me tonight is still probably the best thing for this game state.

If you feel this way, a read wall is in order

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I have been pretty clear how I feel this game and I'm too tired to do that song and dance again. After we kill another one of the people I've felt was scummy all game and they flip and people somehow find stupid reasons to scum read me for it, they can do their own work in my iso.

Well I'm not some people and you think I have a gun and I hate reading shit where people all were under the wrong assumption so I doubt it's useful...

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I should do VCA but I'm really tired and sick.

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I'm vigging either Mena or Shea if I am a vig.

If I am an investigative, I'll investigate Dann or Fire.

If I am a troll, I will troll.

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I'd really prefer Menalque over Shea if you are vigging

Shea at least has a pulse

Shea wants out and I can trust you to eliminate Mena. Hence the waffle.

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I feel like theoretically bussing is just always a good idea as scum but it tends to make people upset so I avoid it.

Also good night all

Our hydra as scum would have constant dissonance. I don't like bussing lol

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looking unaligned is the most important thing, bussing and killing your partners is one way to do that (and probably the most straightforward) but it's not the only way

My partners are beacons of towniness.

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This brings me to the precise problem here. It's uber rare but it might be in my best interest to prod dodge after getting a mass claim.

Scum can attempt to use me for their advantage, if they think I'll shoot town. But if they think I shoot scum, then they kill me.

I would like Datisi at EoD to make two readwalls depending on shea's alignment. I do feel shea is a misvig I had to bait in case scum had to bait given the unknown possibility of a scum doctor/rb.

P.S. an sk shoots n1 most likely.

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titus, you think we should be massclaiming here?

Yes. If it's 3 remaining scum with 9 alive that means 2 miseliminations left. 2 conftown left. No conftown to guide elo.

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I want Frogster and fire based on my lunchtime eyeball. I know I said I should prod dodge but I can't.

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titus, i don't think we gain anything mechanical by you being alive longer - we're at odds, so another vig shot doesn't grant us an extra elim. with that in mind, i think it might be better for you to help out with dayplay today

Let me reflect on this. Been stressed and stressed people make bad decisions

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Hey, can someone color the VCA posts? Been traveling a bit.

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DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor
humaneatingmonkey (2): Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo (1): humaneatingmonkey
fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Morning Tweet (1): DeasVail
Not voting (1): Something_Smart
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00). With 17 alive it takes 9 to eliminate.

i was looking at datisis reasons for dv town and this one like

yes its towny for deas but that kinda suggests that scum besides obscure is probably on deas

and it isn't me

This is why I have Frogsterking as a suspect. If he flips town, Deas FoS.

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fire ignored my comment about reflective step backs so he is scum

This feels out of character for you.

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I was mostly joking

Mostly? Was it a joke or not?

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Can someone color the VCs? Still immensely busy.

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I don't like shea as scum as it would overload one of the wagons.

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Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer, Nero Cain, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

coming back to this though

I think in a list of 5 scum reads

Gamma always puts a buddy in there

ConManMick was town. Datisi is town or we are getting fucked by scamper + Datisi and that seems like an unlikely nightmare I don't want to contend with. HEM slot is basically confirmed town.

Ergo, *at least* one of Frogster or obscure is scum.

I doubt Gamma puts three scum in don't trust so Frogsterking should be town.

Probably a 1 1 split in the other two categories.

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VC 1.9
Eiralox (4): humaneatingmonkey, fireisredsir, Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald
Irrelephant11 (4): scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia
Firebringer (2): Ydrasse, VP Baltar
GuiltyLion (2): skitter30, DeasVail
VP Baltar (2): GuiltyLion, Ausuka
skitter30 (1): Firebringer
Not voting (5): ConManMick, marcistar, xofelf, Dunnstral, Eiralox

VC 1.10
Gamma Emerald (4): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Frogsterking, Nero Cain
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Dannflor (2): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion
Irrelephant11 (2): Datisi, Aristeia
Firebringer (1): VP Baltar
VP Baltar (1): Ausuka
obscure (1): Firebringer
ConManMick (1): scamper
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (3): marcistar, xofelf, Ydrasse

I need to see what happened here. Irrelephant11 might just need to be flipped, even if they're likely scum adjacent.

I don't like fire as scum anymore

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Eiralox is only scum with Irrelephant11 most likely. I can't see Eiralox scum and Irrelephant11 town as that would mean scum overloaded on bussing with an available buddy.

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VOTE: Dannfloor

I changed my mind.

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titus, can you claim please and also start explaining the votes and reads you have? i think it's better to have them out than hope that scum keeps you alive one more day for you to shoot

Later. Lung being a bitch.

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Datisi, I'm not claiming.

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Interesting. Fullclaiming now that scum made their choice. Even night vig.

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what was the purpose of withholding?

If scum thought I was out of shots or incompetent, they'd let me live and I get another shot off. I generally get better as the game progresses.

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I'll be devoting time tonight

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VOTE: DV

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I want you to hammer. People had plenty of time to do things and if they game doesnt end they can do them over night.

VOTE: GL

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VOTE: TSQ mb

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Ok uh that isn't really what I expected?

Titus why is it GL and why are you still here

Because I was expected to shoot wrong. Then it wouldn't matter who they shot if wrong.

VOTE: unvote

Utterly detest shea rushing the hammer.

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This feels very much like an elo game...which is why I didn't shoot.

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Titus is the assertion you're making that we have 6 mafia in a 20 player game?

I am sort of confused

Do you have any reads other than TSQ scum for eod

My reads are largely vca driven. 6 conftown (3 masons, 2 vigs +UB). 6 scum makes sense.

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I am stalling to see if play matches.

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I mean if people think there is 6 scum I am happy to do that

I am cautious of the idea because it strongly goes against all of my balance expectations.

I am also curious why you voted so early if you think this is an elo gamestate.

I voted so early to see if you'd jump (hence the early unvote).

My balance expectations are there should be as many scum as conftown. 6 conftown therefore 6 scum.

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I keep forgetting about this game. I feel good about Auska town as well.

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And last I don’t think it would be that hard for Titus to look town here if they wanted to?

I am having a hopefully brief medical issue. I have to prioritize work first.

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it seems every time I look at a slice of this game I find reasons to reverse my reads on DV/Shea in whatever direction they were most recently trending

This is a strong mood

What if it's DV Shea?

I'm thinking we lim DV but want to check my VCA.

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Titus why is your only contribution to this game shouting out extremely unlikely scenarios with no rationale behind them at all?

Like I am sorry if you are having medical issues but even aside from that it seems to me like you've basically not played this game at all so why do we care about your random theory crafting about 6 scum?

What good could it possibly do town to focus on that? Even if we're in a world where there's two scum left how does that change how town approaches their play today?

I shot scum and saved the entire thread from wasting days in delusion. Hardly nothing.

When you rule out the impossible, then whatever's left must be possible.

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Also, you directly rushed Ausuka to hammer when she volunteered to color VCs for me. So forgive me if I feel your comments now are disingenuous.

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VOTE: Deasvail

As much as shea is annoying me, I went through the D2 VCA and can't see myself voting anywhere but here.

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My thoughts is that each and every scum was wagoned on D2 and they couldn't figure out who to sacrifice so they elected to have town decide and hopefully eat each other up.

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Fwiw, I held off shooting because I went back and forth. Even if I'm wrong, it will be informative.

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Scum must eliminate me either today or tomorrow unless they feel they are the towniest player bar none.

There's 5 alive. Suppose we miss.

Then it's 3 alive.

It's 2 town, 1 scum. Unless I am eliminated, scum cannot win. Even if they miseliminate the other town, I just shoot them. Everyone dies.

Scum cannot win with me alive.

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@Titus I had thought about that earlier, but I checked the win con for town (quoted from the sample VT role pm)

You win if all threats to the town are dead

and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

in the 3p scenario, if we lim wrong, wouldn't you and scum cross-kill, resulting in a scum win?

It's an everyone dies. No one wins...I think unsure

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I didn't read and assumed

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Sorry I have felt I have said most everything. If DV is town, I likely go back to the drawing board (if I live). I am not super confident here.

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For the record, I expect to be the nk today. So my read is Ausuka is absolutely town.